The problem is that if someone left warhammer almost none of the issues that caused them to leave have been resolved.  They are largely still there and the end result is likely to be the same as the first time around.

Server mergers are great for fixing population issues, but I've already been through several of them.  They are not the solution to the games problems.  Merging servers has not fixed the reason why people are leaving and things will just end up in the same situation until the next round of server mergers happens.

Originally posted by legacyhax

Hey All,

I have read all of your posts and with them all together it definately sums up the WAR community.  I had played the game from beta till a while after launch with my wife.  She loved the game and only just stopped playing it about 4 months ago because she had some other priorities.

She loved the game and I liked the game.  I have to say that I agree when it is said it has some of the best RvR out there.  The only problem I had with the RvR is that one persons actions pretty much go unnoticed by the rest of the group.  If you don't know what I mean then imagine you are a runepriest and you manage to rez 2 people while staying alive and being attacked by 2 people.  People don't really see this and just say thanks for the rez.  I wanted what I did to mean something more and to be seen by my guildmates and members of my raid group.

The game couldn't hook me for that and one other reason... I enjoy a good mix of PvE/PvP and the PvE was so linear it left a bad taste in my mouth. 

So yes, WAR is worth giving another try if you have not played since the beginning but as it is stated by a few people don't depend on seeing many people for quite a few levels.  You have to be very self motivated ;-p.

So...you're an attention whore? You want people to be like, "All hail the rune priest that rezzed and healed us in a fight and did the job he was supposed to do!" I don't really care if people notice my contribution. I've saved plenty of people's butts by hitting the enemy they are fighting with a nasty shot that crits them to near half health so that they can kill them in two more shots. I've done some wicked AoE bombs that wipe out a ton of destros (especially at Mandred's when they are trying to get through the door...nothing racks up the kills like Blunderbuss + Flame Turret).

I always thank the people who rezz me and when healers do a good job, I always make sure to pat them on the back after a fight. But I don't stop fighting to go, "ZOMG! HEALERS ARE DOING AWESOME! KK THX!"

To the fellow that felt underappreciated as a rune priest:  The only thing I can tell you as someone that plays a couple of the melee DPS classes and a ranged dps, if it was not for those who choose to play healers, those that choose to play DPS would have one hell of a time trying to do what they do.  I can understand feeling under appreciated but the evidence is there and I see it over and over again.  If a warband has ZERO healers, they dont last long at all.  Take that for what its worth.

I agree with another sentiment that server mergers wont fix a game.  And there are some things that are definately wrong with the game like quest bugs and again some things I probably have not seen yet.  But I think some folks have kinda thrown the baby out with the bathwater and said okay this game is a complete wash out and they are kinda putting warhammer on death watch.

Anyway, the point is to have fun.  If your not having fun, find something, if you can, that provides the entertainment you seek.   

As for me, I have to go to class tonight.  And while I am in class I will be thinking of nothing but getting home and playing Warhammer.  *grins*  I feel ya on that Rico. 

It's the hopelessness of watching them NOT fix things for so long.

The mail still doesn't work right. The search functions in the AH still don't work right. The queue system for scenarios sometimes doesn't work right.

THE GAME HAS BEEN OUT FOR ALMOST A YEAR. Fix something. Even if the fixes were small, if they were coming regularly, we would have hope that the game would improve. There is no such hope.

They STILL waste time and resources on temporary content like the live events which go away after a week.

The bare minimum they should have done by now is create another T4 area where people could roam around and kill each other for rewards and resources. Shut the city sieges down for a while and FIX them. Don't try to make the engine fit the 'vision'. Make the vision fit the engine.

They have fixed tons over the past few patches and more coming. For those who do not think so, read the patch notes, try the trial. Stop mouthing a game on past experiences with the game. Those opinions are from before the past few patches, don't say they weren't because most if n not all what people were complaining about has been fixed.

Stop judging a game based on others opinions or past experience, MMOs change course in a heart beat. The past few patches prove that.

Originally posted by Zodan

It's still the only proper rvr game

No it's not. DAoC is. 

I'd take Emain Macha in any shape or form over the Tier shit WAR spews out.

Also about low population, choose the right server, stop going on the small, dead ones. On the ones I play, Iron Rock(Order) and Dark Crag(Destruction) There is plenty of people on to do things, I have never had issues doing SCs, oRvR, PQs, or anything else.
 
There are other good population realms but these I can vouch for personally.

Originally posted by spyder2k5

They have fixed tons over the past few patches and more coming. For those who do not think so, read the patch notes, try the trial. Stop mouthing a game on past experiences with the game. Those opinions are from before the past few patches, don't say they weren't because most if n not all what people were complaining about has been fixed.

 

Stop judging a game based on others opinions or past experience, MMOs change course in a heart beat. The past few patches prove that.

Stop lying, shill. I am currently subscribed and was playing a few hours ago.

If they have fixed 'tons', then name some things they have fixed besides typos and bugs in PQ stages that no one plays anymore.

I have named things that aren't fixed. Things that affect the majority of players.

Originally posted by spyder2k5

Also about low population, choose the right server, stop going on the small, dead ones. On the ones I play, Iron Rock(Order) and Dark Crag(Destruction) There is plenty of people on to do things, I have never had issues doing SCs, oRvR, PQs, or anything else.
 
There are other good population realms but these I can vouch for personally.

The problem is not players chosing empty servers, but rather that servers once populated are losing players. 

I moved three times only to see the servers die each time and resulting in mythic almost gleefully announcing "The next round of character transfers is going live!  Enjoy your new homes!". 

I won't argue that you feel "tons" of things have been fixed.  There have been some big patches to the game with both bug fixes and new content.  The problem I think most who have left will find is that not enough of the right things have been fixed or addressed.  The fixes did not resolve the reasons why many people left, regardless of the volume of changes in the last year. 

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by spyder2k5

They have fixed tons over the past few patches and more coming. For those who do not think so, read the patch notes, try the trial. Stop mouthing a game on past experiences with the game. Those opinions are from before the past few patches, don't say they weren't because most if n not all what people were complaining about has been fixed.

 

Stop judging a game based on others opinions or past experience, MMOs change course in a heart beat. The past few patches prove that.

Stop lying, shill. I am currently subscribed and was playing a few hours ago.

If they have fixed 'tons', then name some things they have fixed besides typos and bugs in PQ stages that no one plays anymore.

I have named things that aren't fixed. Things that affect the majority of players.

Balance, AoE, City sieges, performance issues, the list goes on of the BIG things being fixed, and that have been fixed. It is so obvious you have not been on its not even funny.

The servers mentioned are holding steady with population, even getting more slightly everyday, I do census you know?

The ones that are dead they want people to move off of, not by force but by choice. I would rather see 4 good pop servers then everyone spread out. I believe from the looks of things they are trying to do just that.

i really enjoyed this game and would luv to come back to see what changes have been made, but the problem is the changes made i want to see were all in T4, there is no way i could get to see T4 on a 10 day trial.  If they want me and alot of people like me to come back do like LOTRO does all the time.  Turn on everyones account for 2 weeks, in 2 weeks if i haven't resubed, turn it off.  It would let us come back and see the changes on OUR characters.  I been saying this for a while now, if they ever hear and turn them on i'll come back and i might stay.  Haven't felt anything but disapointment from games lately, and in several betas that don't look like they are taking the proper path to a great game, no idea what to hope for anymore......

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

It's the hopelessness of watching them NOT fix things for so long.

The mail still doesn't work right. The search functions in the AH still don't work right. The queue system for scenarios sometimes doesn't work right.

THE GAME HAS BEEN OUT FOR ALMOST A YEAR. Fix something. Even if the fixes were small, if they were coming regularly, we would have hope that the game would improve. There is no such hope.

They STILL waste time and resources on temporary content like the live events which go away after a week.

The bare minimum they should have done by now is create another T4 area where people could roam around and kill each other for rewards and resources. Shut the city sieges down for a while and FIX them. Don't try to make the engine fit the 'vision'. Make the vision fit the engine.

Live event are cool ! It's a part of the game that i like most. I prefer a game with some little bugs but a lot of new content and different thing to do than a boring game with no bugs at all ... But it's only my opinion.

**If your still playing, at least, you should cheer up the game instead of pulling it down.

Originally posted by carlpuccino

 

Live event are cool ! It's a part of the game that i like most. I prefer a game with some little bugs but a lot of new content and different thing to do than a boring game with no bugs at all ... But it's only my opinion.

**If your still playing, at least, you should cheer up the game instead of pulling it down.

I give credit for the good, and criticize the bad. That is called 'objectivity'.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by carlpuccino

 

Live event are cool ! It's a part of the game that i like most. I prefer a game with some little bugs but a lot of new content and different thing to do than a boring game with no bugs at all ... But it's only my opinion.

**If your still playing, at least, you should cheer up the game instead of pulling it down.

I give credit for the good, and criticize the bad. That is called 'objectivity'.

This game as already been enough criticize, we all know every little problem with the  game but i want people to remember that this game offer a lot of funny content.

Originally posted by carlpuccino

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by carlpuccino

 

Live event are cool ! It's a part of the game that i like most. I prefer a game with some little bugs but a lot of new content and different thing to do than a boring game with no bugs at all ... But it's only my opinion.

**If your still playing, at least, you should cheer up the game instead of pulling it down.

I give credit for the good, and criticize the bad. That is called 'objectivity'.

 

This game as already been enough criticize, we all know every little problem with the  game but i want people to remember that this game offer a lot of funny content.

If we all no the problems, then we all know the fun content, as well.

There are people reading this who are considering trying it out. It's fair play to let them know BOTH sides.

I play Warhammer for 2 months but paid 3 months. The first month was 30 days play. The reason I sub the game because one time I have joined wb to defend T2 Keep, we had about 3 wbs and Desto also got that number. 

The defense lasted 7-8 hours and Desto keeps trying to capture the keep, non-stop.

We found Desto tried to attack the Keep around 2 pm, and they initiated the attack around 4pm, we won the defense until 23:30 pm.

After that, I sub the game but the game become Peacehammer like the small hammer uses in court. Everyone judged on the game. The result is Warhammer is Guilty, life sentence.

I gace it 3 tries. Pve is boring and the pvp is too repetitive. Still laggy at times and the comabt is average at best still. It seems nothing has changed since release.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

I gace it 3 tries. Pve is boring and the pvp is too repetitive. Still laggy at times and the comabt is average at best still. It seems nothing has changed since release.

To be fair, RvR in the lower tiers is a lot more active, since the rewards are better.

No real improvement yet in T3 and T4.

I've been playing since Beta and the game has improved substantially.  The game certainly isn't for everyone,  but to say they haven't made huge strides in the past year would be a blatant lie.   The game has changed a lot, but its still Warhammer -- and if you have/had fundamental issues with the game design, you will always have those problems.  They are improving/tweaking the game they launched with, not giving it massive overhauls and not making it something it isn't.   

Originally posted by Grayh

I've been playing since Beta and the game has improved substantially.  The game certainly isn't for everyone,  but to say they haven't made huge strides in the past year would be a blatant lie.   The game has changed a lot, but its still Warhammer -- and if you have/had fundamental issues with the game design, you will always have those problems.  They are improving/tweaking the game they launched with, not giving it massive overhauls and not making it something it isn't.   

What really has changed over the last year? 

Personally I don't think the game has improved substantially.  Not that Mythic hasn't tried, because I can see they understand the major issues of the game, but they just have not nailed the solutions yet.   Not for lack of trying, but rather lack of effectiveness. 

This thread is about giving the game a second chance, which I do every few months.  Mostly to hang out with real life friends who still play.  Every time though it is the same results from the same issues. 

What really has changed over the last year that resolved the big issues holding the game back, because honestly I don't see it.

It still bums me out, because I want to love this game.