I was really looking forward to aion untill i found out it had Game Guard... using Comodo and found this on the comodo forum while searching for a fix for spellborn :

GameGuard tries to disable CFP's Defense+ and CFP tries to counterattack. During this fight, if you have another security software installed(For example AVAST!), unexpected BSODs happen. We will be fixing these BSODs with the next update(in a couple of days).

However to be able to play the games, you must permanently disable Defense+ otherwise it wont let any rootkit to disable its protection(i.e. it will activate its self defense).

To deactivate the D+ permanently

1 - Goto "Defense+->Advanced->Defense+ Settings"
2 - Select "Deactivate the D+ permanently" checkbox
3 - Press Apply and restart your PC

The games must work fine if you follow 3 steps.

However as a side note: The behavior of this game protection software is typical of a rootkit and can never be accepted as a legitimate behavior. There is no such thing as "white rootkit" in terms of CFP. CFP is an anti rootkit tool. Whether it is white, blasck, red, yellow. Unless the rootkit does not attack CFP, it wont attack the rootkit if it is allowed by the user. But this one is unfortunately attacking D+ core.

forums.comodo.com/bug_reports/latest_update_ruined_functionality_of_some_mmorpg_games-t22022.0.html;msg155048#msg155048

 found that I had to uninstall the whole Comodo app to play it because of a game guard 0 error  

Originally posted by Xasapis

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Xasapis

Currently I'm having issues with GG having false alarms and shutting down the game.

Having said that, I don't see how GameGuard, or Steam's VAC, or Blizzard's Warden compromise the security of my system or its stability. I believe we're a bit too paranoid over the issue. 

 

Hers is what wikipedia has to say about GG:

Aion uses the software nProtect GameGuard from INCA Internet to protect against hacks, cheats and bots, which is criticized for integrating itself deep in the player's system with its own device driver that is very difficult to remove. This driver seems to employ rootkit-like techniques to hide the game's process and to watch the computer's memory for suspicious software.[18] Furthermore there is an unpatched security vulnerability in the driver which can be used for a local privilege escalation.

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aion:_The_Tower_of_Eternity

Starting from this you can find thousands of references on the web why GameGuard is to be avoided.

Lesson learned: ---> You could question the capabillity of a sofware house that wants to create a so called high end polished MMORPG and not even being able to write its own protection schemes with the help of Microsoft.

Like the big boys do it.

Oh right, it is ... Korean.

 

While you're at it, check on wikipedie on Warden. Same thing as GG, different skin.

I will take a memory scanner(Warden) over a rootkit(GG) any day.

Well considering I can't even play the game because of it, I would say it's definitely going to hurt it since I'm not the only one.  Seems anyone with Kasperksy Internet security 2009 or 2010 has to completely uninstall it to connect to the game.  Just turning off protection does not work, and I'm not willing to uninstall that just to play this game.

just kind of curious... did no one read forums for asian releases... GG has been in since asian releases lol.  Personally, i hate it too and was never hyped for  Aion but, GG just kills a game and is completely useless (bot wise). GG prevents "hacks" and such.

Originally posted by Xasapis

Currently I'm having issues with GG having false alarms and shutting down the game.

Having said that, I don't see how GameGuard, or Steam's VAC, or Blizzard's Warden compromise the security of my system or its stability. I believe we're a bit too paranoid over the issue. 

You have to "READ" the posts.They are not saying the program is causing security risks,they are saying they have to turn off all security to be able to run GG,so in essence it is creating the risk sort of,unless you choose not to play.

The FACT is this....Nguard does NOT work,so why create strife for your users?

I have to be fair of course ,and look at both sides.Number 1 to the person on running in XP mode,i have never in the thousands of times tried ever seen XP mode do squat,it is a bs addition to Vista.

Number 2 ...under 64 bit systems,you sometimes on cheap setups like Aions,need to set Administration rights,for ALL folders.You don't have to go into each folder,just rclick the MAIN folder and it will gives rights to everything inside.The odd time you may need to go in and rclick ADMIN rights to the actual .exe32 file that starts the game.

Here is the final part....tuning off your security "while in the game" should be of no risk at all....."normally".There is the small chance you have some lingering virus that your anti virus or DEFENDER does not notice ,but  i think the risk is VERY LOW.Whayt i am saying is that you should have little to no fear at all running the game ,with anti virus off.

There is of course a few things to realize when you do this.DO not have any other programs running in the background,they could somehow link to other sites and grab that virus,so  i guess there is still a slight risk.The whole thing does cause concern and needless HASSLE,but  i would say do not worry while in game,just make sure to put your security back up when out of game.

Here is the best advice,stay off the pron sites lol and stay off the cheat sites.IMO those are the two main reasons you would pick up viruses.

Release date for Aion: End of September

Release date for Windows 7: end of October

Gameguard does not currently work with Windows 7 except with a hack... is this an obvious problem or is it just my imagination? 

Gameguard works perfectly with Windows 7.

No hack, full retail version of Windows 7.

 www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3078606#3078606

Admittedly this above thread was about Aion in general, but seeing as you need GG to run it, it is relevant.

Originally posted by Jaknife

Gameguard works perfectly with Windows 7.

No hack, full retail version of Windows 7.

 

That is odd... my laptop runs Windows 7 RC and Gameguard does not work on it... i tried it only yesterday.

Considering there are numerous posts on the internet about fixes for windows 7 and Aion then I am also suprised at your statement.
 

I wouldn't deactivate my security suit for no game. If the game doesn't work, I just wouldn't play it. Luckily for me it does, not sure what happened but the problems were gone after a couple days.

Originally posted by haratu

Release date for Aion: End of September

Release date for Windows 7: end of October

Gameguard does not currently work with Windows 7 except with a hack... is this an obvious problem or is it just my imagination? 

A hack? Im using windows 7 for 3 months now, the RTM version, and never had problems with a single game, Aion being one of them, not even with gameguard thats working fine.

GameGuard only hurts people. It's like cocaine. Stay away from it.

No Problems for me!  i have the New Windows Vista Ultimate UpGrade...

Using vista 64 I have had nothing but trouble from gameguard, removed firewall + avg virus to try and stop getting error 340 and error 350 but still they was there, after 3 days of trying this and that I now bypass it all together and I am playing Aion. Sorted

If you don't like something change/remove it, I did not like gameguard so it gone.

Remember    -  where there is a will there is a way  -

funny thing is Aion can surcomvent this whole issue/debate by doing 2 things

1) removing GG as its nothing but a waste of space and if you dont know a whole lot of computers, becomes almost impossible to remove.

2) limiting the client side server access. basicly making all movement/attacks/timers ect server side.

there by you cant automate it. VERY easy to do. not always cost effective tho, as some times it costs up to a spare server to run.
BUT removing important files from the client prevents MOST "hacks" people run. aka cool down/speed/auto hit/ multi-hit/vacumm(floating hack) ect.  with them removed you only really have to deal with the odd automated movement scripts (botting is not AS bad as an actual hack.. bot only really boosts your leveling power cause you can level while sleeping unlike cooldown which effects pots and skills (bad for pvp).

OFcourse this all relys on AION being coded correctly and properly, if it is i see no reason why NcSoft cant design their game to not even need GG or any sort of anti-hack. simply because it would require hacking the game server to tweek anything. not saying people wont try.. but when 80% of all game "hackers" are stupid little script kiddies who couldnt code their way out of a paper bag... i really dont see little timmy loowho hacking AION's server just so he can jump 0.002* higher then the rest.

when i play aion im unable to use my main browser chrome and thats cause of a conflict with gameguard...i have to use 2 browsers now if i keep playing this game :P

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by Xasapis

Currently I'm having issues with GG having false alarms and shutting down the game.

Having said that, I don't see how GameGuard, or Steam's VAC, or Blizzard's Warden compromise the security of my system or its stability. I believe we're a bit too paranoid over the issue. 

 

You have to "READ" the posts.They are not saying the program is causing security risks,they are saying they have to turn off all security to be able to run GG,so in essence it is creating the risk sort of,unless you choose not to play.

The FACT is this....Nguard does NOT work,so why create strife for your users?

I have to be fair of course ,and look at both sides.Number 1 to the person on running in XP mode,i have never in the thousands of times tried ever seen XP mode do squat,it is a bs addition to Vista.

Number 2 ...under 64 bit systems,you sometimes on cheap setups like Aions,need to set Administration rights,for ALL folders.You don't have to go into each folder,just rclick the MAIN folder and it will gives rights to everything inside.The odd time you may need to go in and rclick ADMIN rights to the actual .exe32 file that starts the game.

Here is the final part....tuning off your security "while in the game" should be of no risk at all....."normally".There is the small chance you have some lingering virus that your anti virus or DEFENDER does not notice ,but  i think the risk is VERY LOW.Whayt i am saying is that you should have little to no fear at all running the game ,with anti virus off.

There is of course a few things to realize when you do this.DO not have any other programs running in the background,they could somehow link to other sites and grab that virus,so  i guess there is still a slight risk.The whole thing does cause concern and needless HASSLE,but  i would say do not worry while in game,just make sure to put your security back up when out of game.

Here is the best advice,stay off the pron sites lol and stay off the cheat sites.IMO those are the two main reasons you would pick up viruses.

windows itself and avery anti virus+ firewall combinations have security holes and arent inmute to everything, if you turn off your security in a couple of minutes you will be infected of something, there is a lot of bot scanning random ips for security holes for to send trojans or any kind of malware, i know how it work and u arent safe even with the latest antivirus, GG itself have a know security hole that make it easy to hack and or disable, any newb in hacking can get trought it and hack de game easily, and GG itself its a rootkit it works like a malware, who knows if it is sending important data to its company.