Originally posted by Gameloading

To me, it doesn't matter. Most religions involving a deity have a history of trying to take away other peoples personal freedoms.

Actually, they do no such thing.  Only those who are in power have the ability to take away freedoms of those who are not.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

To me, it doesn't matter. Most religions involving a deity have a history of trying to take away other peoples personal freedoms.

 

Actually, they do no such thing.  Only those who are in power have the ability to take away freedoms of those who are not.

Yet it turns out that most people who are in power are christians and will make decisions based on their religious faith.

For evidence of that you need to look no further than the recent gay marriage issue in california: It's a perfect example of religious facism.

@Dang:

20% is 1/5, not 1/4

A lot of people are scared of cultural changes. I personally haven't seen any cultural changes whatsoever, all of our traditions still exist and much of our cultural identity was lost not because of islam (which last numbers I have seen only is about 5% of this countries population) but simply because less and less people were interested in keeping those cultural traditions.

Originally posted by Trubaduren

We all know there is alot of bullshit in the bible. Well, atleast from one perspective.  I mean, if you are for hating jews, having slaves and all that, i guess it's cool. It's just that the Bible itself doesn't really refeclt the religion i think, since theres so much "Wrong" in it. Especially since its been compiled by the most part of Paulus (who indeed was a weird sob). I mean first he kinda hates Christians, but then he understand they got influence and all that crap, so then he joins them? And compiles a great amount to the bible itself? Despite that, the bible, as we konw consists of different parts from variouse different people.

Now, I've heard alot of "Good christians" as they like to call themselves say "The bible isn't some kind of buffe, where you can pick what you want" Does that intale you have to follow it to every point? I know there are crazy ass christians out there, but come on? Can you really say that when it's "okey" to have slaves according to the bible? I think not. Granted 98% doesn't give a crap about those parts (which they indeed is right). But im just a bit confused when they are reading the bible and come to those ap shit parts and then after wards say "That Bible is a good read indeed".

 

Let me see; In the first 30 pages- most people at the start live to 800, 900 years old. Noah got to 950! There is homosexual incestial rape, more incestial rape this time because one of the women can't have kids. Then there are multiple versions of the Bible and multiple denomination that dont recognise certain parts of the Bible. It is also 750,000 words long. A book has to be really, really good to justify being that long purely from a literary perspective. There are giants too called Nephilim, I mean come on, if dinosaur fossils can be found where are these fossils if they allegedly only a few thousand years old?

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

To me, it doesn't matter. Most religions involving a deity have a history of trying to take away other peoples personal freedoms.

Actually, they do no such thing.  Only those who are in power have the ability to take away freedoms of those who are not.

Yet it turns out that most people who are in power are christians and will make decisions based on their religious faith.

For evidence of that you need to look no further than the recent gay marriage issue in california: It's a perfect example of religious facism.

@Dang:

20% is 1/5, not 1/4

A lot of people are scared of cultural changes. I personally haven't seen any cultural changes whatsoever, all of our traditions still exist and much of our cultural identity was lost not because of islam (which last numbers I have seen only is about 5% of this countries population) but simply because less and less people were interested in keeping those cultural traditions.

You're a total Christianophobe man.  Proposition 8 passed in California, one of the if not the most liberal state in the country.  Hardly a bastion of Christianity.  And the politicians who run the state (who are also overwhelmingly liberal) had nothing to do with the passage of the initiative.  It was voted on by the citizens of California.  If you took a poll of those who voted for it, I'd be curious to see how many of them voted in favor of it because of their religious convictions.  Probably not as many as you think.

In fact, 70% of blacks voted in favor of Prop 8 which is the single biggest reason it passed.  So perhaps there is a bit of racism in your statement (I don't actually believe that, I just thought I'd employ a tactic commonly used by the left.  Throw racism in there as a means to try to discredit your opponents position).

I'm curious as to why you are so quick to defend Islam when many of its followers who are in power are eager to kill homosexuals, whereas, the Bible simply characterizes it as a sin.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

To me, it doesn't matter. Most religions involving a deity have a history of trying to take away other peoples personal freedoms.

Actually, they do no such thing.  Only those who are in power have the ability to take away freedoms of those who are not.

Yet it turns out that most people who are in power are christians and will make decisions based on their religious faith.

For evidence of that you need to look no further than the recent gay marriage issue in california: It's a perfect example of religious facism.

@Dang:

20% is 1/5, not 1/4

A lot of people are scared of cultural changes. I personally haven't seen any cultural changes whatsoever, all of our traditions still exist and much of our cultural identity was lost not because of islam (which last numbers I have seen only is about 5% of this countries population) but simply because less and less people were interested in keeping those cultural traditions.

 

You're a total Christianophobe man.  Proposition 8 passed in California, one of the if not the most liberal state in the country.  Hardly a bastion of Christianity.  And the politicians who run the state (who are also overwhelmingly liberal) had nothing to do with the passage of the initiative.  It was voted on by the citizens of California.  If you took a poll of those who voted for it, I'd be curious to see how many of them voted in favor of it because of their religious convictions.  Probably not as many as you think.

In fact, 70% of blacks voted in favor of Prop 8 which is the single biggest reason it passed.  So perhaps there is a bit of racism in your statement (I don't actually believe that, I just thought I'd employ a tactic commonly used by the left.  Throw racism in there as a means to try to discredit your opponents position).

I'm curious as to why you are so quick to defend Islam when many of its followers who are in power are eager to kill homosexuals, whereas, the Bible simply characterizes it as a sin.

I see that statement about Cristians pushing their views on everyone all the time even from middle of the road friends.  If it is true then they are doing a poor job of it.

Everything that has happened in the US for the past 30-40 years is nearly the exact opposite of that statement. Abortion is a big one. It was never voted on but was pushed into law by the left through unelected judges. There are daily stories about people getting into trouble for praying which is actually a right under the constitution. In the past 8 months the government has taken over banks and car companies and keep spending us into oblivion. Christians can't do that. 

Islam is given a pass on "pushing their views on others" even though they do it by gunpoint....or I should say bombs and knives. 1% are fanitics is a BS number. I have never heard one that low. 10% is more accurate but even than there is never any comdemnation by their fellow Muslims. That enough proof for me that the number not condoning the fanatic's actions is WAY higher than 10%.

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

To me, it doesn't matter. Most religions involving a deity have a history of trying to take away other peoples personal freedoms.

Actually, they do no such thing.  Only those who are in power have the ability to take away freedoms of those who are not.

Yet it turns out that most people who are in power are christians and will make decisions based on their religious faith.

For evidence of that you need to look no further than the recent gay marriage issue in california: It's a perfect example of religious facism.

@Dang:

20% is 1/5, not 1/4

A lot of people are scared of cultural changes. I personally haven't seen any cultural changes whatsoever, all of our traditions still exist and much of our cultural identity was lost not because of islam (which last numbers I have seen only is about 5% of this countries population) but simply because less and less people were interested in keeping those cultural traditions.

 

You're a total Christianophobe man.  Proposition 8 passed in California, one of the if not the most liberal state in the country.  Hardly a bastion of Christianity.  And the politicians who run the state (who are also overwhelmingly liberal) had nothing to do with the passage of the initiative.  It was voted on by the citizens of California.  If you took a poll of those who voted for it, I'd be curious to see how many of them voted in favor of it because of their religious convictions.  Probably not as many as you think.

In fact, 70% of blacks voted in favor of Prop 8 which is the single biggest reason it passed.  So perhaps there is a bit of racism in your statement (I don't actually believe that, I just thought I'd employ a tactic commonly used by the left.  Throw racism in there as a means to try to discredit your opponents position).

I'm curious as to why you are so quick to defend Islam when many of its followers who are in power are eager to kill homosexuals, whereas, the Bible simply characterizes it as a sin.

 

I see that statement about Cristians pushing their views on everyone all the time even from middle of the road friends.  If it is true then they are doing a poor job of it.

Everything that has happened in the US for the past 30-40 years is nearly the exact opposite of that statement. Abortion is a big one. It was never voted on but was pushed into law by the left through unelected judges.  There are daily stories about people getting into trouble for praying which is actually a right under the constitution. In the past 8 months the government has taken over banks and car companies and keep spending us into oblivion.  Government "take over" of banks and car companies has nothing to do with Religion.  Just more sensationalism and off-topic BS.   Christians can't do that.

Islam is given a pass on "pushing their views on others" even though they do it by gunpoint....or I should say bombs and knives. 1% are fanitics is a BS number. I have never heard one that low. 10% is more accurate but even than there is never any comdemnation by their fellow Muslims. That enough proof for me that the number not condoning the fanatic's actions is WAY higher than 10%.

Originally posted by Trubaduren

If you count the U.S as chirstians, they have killed more innocent people than the Muslims have over the past few decades i can say. It's not like the muslims started this thing. It started with the U.S doing a coupe in Iran, and overthrowing the Sha. Thats when the problem started.

I blame Jimmy Carter.  What a wuss...

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

To me, it doesn't matter. Most religions involving a deity have a history of trying to take away other peoples personal freedoms.

Actually, they do no such thing.  Only those who are in power have the ability to take away freedoms of those who are not.

Yet it turns out that most people who are in power are christians and will make decisions based on their religious faith.

For evidence of that you need to look no further than the recent gay marriage issue in california: It's a perfect example of religious facism.

@Dang:

20% is 1/5, not 1/4

A lot of people are scared of cultural changes. I personally haven't seen any cultural changes whatsoever, all of our traditions still exist and much of our cultural identity was lost not because of islam (which last numbers I have seen only is about 5% of this countries population) but simply because less and less people were interested in keeping those cultural traditions.

 

You're a total Christianophobe man.  Proposition 8 passed in California, one of the if not the most liberal state in the country.  Hardly a bastion of Christianity.  And the politicians who run the state (who are also overwhelmingly liberal) had nothing to do with the passage of the initiative.  It was voted on by the citizens of California.  If you took a poll of those who voted for it, I'd be curious to see how many of them voted in favor of it because of their religious convictions.  Probably not as many as you think.

In fact, 70% of blacks voted in favor of Prop 8 which is the single biggest reason it passed.  So perhaps there is a bit of racism in your statement (I don't actually believe that, I just thought I'd employ a tactic commonly used by the left.  Throw racism in there as a means to try to discredit your opponents position).

I'm curious as to why you are so quick to defend Islam when many of its followers who are in power are eager to kill homosexuals, whereas, the Bible simply characterizes it as a sin.

Where did you get this strange idea that liberals can't be christian? Nearly 80% of the United States is christian according to polls, there are tons of liberal christians. Ofcourse the motivation was religion because there is no other reason to restrict other peoples freedom like that.

I'm not "quick to defend islam", but there are clearly quite a few people who have this strange world view that all christians are good, respectable people and all muslims are part of an evil religion that wants to destroy America and Western Society.

Personally, I think the world would be much better off without both religions.

I also love how you attempt to imply as if I ever used a racism card.

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Originally posted by Precusor

 You don't see millions murdered yearly in the name of Hindus/Buddha/Jews/Jesus.

Not quite millions yearly but pretty much most religions are culpable.

2002  www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/rampaging-hindus-burn-muslim-children-alive-658839.html

2007 www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1573797/Hindu-mobs-ransack-churches-in-India.html

And this one is all about the killing of palastinians by the Israeli Jew as being religious.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8232340.stm

Oh and didn't G. W. Bush say he was told by God to invade Iraq? Seems pretty religious orientated to me.

Is likely to be only Buddhists who are free of taint.

Originally posted by Vemoi

I see that statement about Cristians pushing their views on everyone all the time even from middle of the road friends.  If it is true then they are doing a poor job of it.

Everything that has happened in the US for the past 30-40 years is nearly the exact opposite of that statement. Abortion is a big one. It was never voted on but was pushed into law by the left through unelected judges. There are daily stories about people getting into trouble for praying which is actually a right under the constitution. In the past 8 months the government has taken over banks and car companies and keep spending us into oblivion. Christians can't do that. 

Islam is given a pass on "pushing their views on others" even though they do it by gunpoint....or I should say bombs and knives. 1% are fanitics is a BS number. I have never heard one that low. 10% is more accurate but even than there is never any comdemnation by their fellow Muslims. That enough proof for me that the number not condoning the fanatic's actions is WAY higher than 10%.

What Islam is doing now is no different to what christianity has done in the past. And it wouldn't suprise me that it's still going on in parts of Africa. It wasn't long ago that Christianity was the fastest growing religion in Africa (it may even still be the case).