Originally posted by Kaocan

Originally posted by Ridrith

Each expansion is just a continuation of the game, what?  Do you really expect that the gear you got ten levels ago would still be good?  Really?  You move forward, gain levels, get new gear, items, trinkets, mounts, pets, what ever.  Not to mention for the people who actually care and enjoy the lore of the WoW universe they're pretty much treated to new and cool things every expansion.  WoW offers some really awesome quests, the end game raids are fun, offer tons of lore, etc.

 

Hmm, let me quote you with that first sentance there, a continuation of the game. Use Elemental Air much anymore? Copper Ore? How about Primal Fire? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that once you power level out of the Old World or past 300 in any craft, that EVERYTHING from those parts of the game become completely useless to you. I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that once you, again 'power level' through the Outlands that EVERYTHING from there (all crafting mats, recipes, gear, any drop, any crafted item) also becomes completely useless to you. And once again, I'm going to bet that once the next expansion pack comes out, that EVERYTHING you are now getting in Northrend will also be completely useless to you in the new zone/levels.

WoW does not issue expansion packs that add content to the game world, they create a new world that everyone moves into. The only use and purpose of the old world and Outland is to get you to Northrend. No item from either of those places it useful once you have transitioned to Northrend. And Blizzard knows this, that is why they have increased the xp gains/reduced xp required tp level up to 60. They have given you mounts 25 levels sooner so you can move through the 'filler' zones faster to get to the real game. You dont even do the dungeons or raids from these places anymore except as power level zones or to feed your twinks for the BGs.

And oh yeah, before I forget, you brought in that wonderful term WoW players have made universal in every MMORPG since - end game. That is EXACTLY what you pay Blizzard for, and that is why everything I have said is correct. When your end game is no longer fun, they move the end game and give you a new one. Once you get bored with the current end game, they will give you a new end game. They have been doing it since the start of the game itself, thats the hook that IS WoW. And that is why the old content is useless, because they moved the end game farther out. It's like playing a game of football, you rush down the field and as soon as you get in the 20 yard line they move the endzone out another 100 yards. Its great marketing really, until the players wake up and realize there really is no 'end game'. Your just in another mid level dungeon, you just haven't realized it yet.

Anyway, I do appologize for going off on a tangent to the evil WoW on the AION forums, my bad really. Personally I belive AION is a step in the right direction by a company that has 5 years experience with good directions (CoH/CoV). Thier issues have been very well done, provide that 'continuation of the game' that set me off here, and which so many game companies can't quiet figure out. You dont need to add to the 'end game' to expand a game, unless of course you just want more sheep.

Congrats you just described EQ and the company that began that process. I think you need to re-direct your disdain for that "end-game" based expansions to SOE and not Blizzard.

And trust me, Aion will be the same way. Progression based PVP and PVE = end game expansions that extend the level cap.

Originally posted by templarga

Fan boy attitude huh? Sounds like another WOW hater if you ask me.

You take the one positive comment out of the paragraph long tirade of WOW hate to say "He didn't really mean it and WOW is okay". Sorry, I don't think so.

It is clearly evident that the post was directed at WOW and WOW players and that, WOW is the worst of all; no other game is as bad as WOW and it is WOW's fault that everything is wrong with MMO's.

My argument is that it applies to every MMO and to not recognize that and to try and make one game out to be worse than another is only setting some false agenda and torch-bearing for the WOW hate community.

My mind is open and what I see from Blizzard is the same thing I have seen from MMO's since 1999 or so. Nothing different now except WOW is popular and its an easy target.

I play WoW, whats up?

It's apparent the guy does not "hate" WoW. He has eight 80s correct? Everything he said is correct, WoW, although a great game. Is getting very boring, logon do dailies, join raid, log off. You do this all week. Then the weekend rolls around, log on do dailies, raid, and if you plan on staying up late maybe you can treat yourself to some other repeatable content that people are getting "bored" (not hate) of.

I know your arguement applies to every MMO, and I agree fully. But the problem is that WoW is burning people out, sure they may add some new encounters and so on. But the next expansion (which feels like it is coming out WAY to fast) is going to make all that work and effort pointless. Now its not fully the problem that it makes all that pointless, its also the problem of having to do the SAME shit again in the next expansion.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by VoIgore

Originally posted by Kaocan

 

Actually yes, I do think his logic is wrong. Let me explain.

I have been a 5 year WoW player myself, have 8 level 80s right now. Have been around long enough to actually have a Warlord title on one of them (for some that means something). I have every craft/gather at max on both horde and alliance, and that includes cooking and fishing on every single main/alt. And I believe WoW is already dead, the people who are still playing it are just stuck in the daily grind to realize it. Perhaps after Blizzard brings out the next expansion, charges them another $50, and destroys everythign they worked thier a$$es off on every day for the past 5 years AGAIN, maybe then they will wake up.

Honestly, I do believe its not possible for AION to kill WoW, because WoW is already dead. I was in WoW the week WAR OB took place, there wasn't a kricket in all of Outland on 3 servers. Sure they came back once that game didnt' cater to the easy mode, but the fact remains they bailed to try first. The same will happen here too, those who like AION will stay, those who don't will hipe WoW again and fall back to sleep for another year.

And before anyone starts saying I'm just a WoW hater, let me correct you there first. I have nothign against WoW, I do howver have somethign against the players of WoW. Pre-WoW MMORPGs had a 'community' that some of us actually are proud to be a part of, Post-WoW...well lets just say half the time I'm ambarassaed to say I'm a gamer. Sheep plain and simple, catered to like sheep, groomed of your wool, kept in the pasture to eat more grass and grow more wool, and clipped again.

WoW isn't anything to compete with, the game basics itself is driven by grind in every area...no its not WoW thats the one to compete with, its Blizzard's coddling thats the one to break. The playerbase has become so blinded by thier mass-media machine that they dont even notice they are given a new game every expansion pack that resets everything they knew before. They just keep giving in to the 'oh look shiney!' and forget. And if your a WoW player, and saying it isnt' true, let me ask you this...how many runs did it take you to get your Tier II set? Tier III set?? Tier V set?? Tier VII set?? any of them worth anything now?? You payed Blizzard to waste how much of your life?? Oh dont look now, but word is there is another Expansion Pack in the works too, going to waste more time getting your top Tier set now?

WoW isn't one of the greatest games ever, its the company behind it thats the great one. I started playing WoW because I was a fan of the Warcraft series, as I'm sure most did originally back in the pre-BC days. Those people, and those days, are gone.

 

This post is well worth reading and since i've been a player from week 2 on, i can pretty much relate it. Too bad that the folks who should read and think about do not nearly have the required attention span to do so or are busy grinding their daylies to get 40th faction to exhalted.

 

Actually that could describe any game. I wasted many hours of my life raiding in EQ, RVR'ing in DAOC, trying to get Jedi in SWG, etc.....

IS any of that worth anything now? Nope, not at all.

WOW is no different from any other MMO, its just another way to play a game and have fun and for those who enjoy.

Stop trying to make it out that Blizzard is any worse than SOE, NCSoft, or any other company.

if you were having fun raiding in EQ (dont ask me how), or RVRing in DAOC etc, then it isnt a waste -- but if you were doing it, just because you felt like you had to and werent having fun, then ya -- its a waste.  When I accepted the fact EQ was just an endless treadmill -- shortly after ROK, then I quit -- I had no desire to spend that much of my time raiding -- going on a 2 hour dungeon crawl with a small PUG on a friday night to unrest when I had no other plans and because I wanted to - - fine, sign me up -- spend 8+ hours starting saturday morning going to the planes because our guilds main tank needed some new lewt --- lol -- cancell sub time. 
 

Amazing to me, how EQ went from fun, small party dungeon crawls to massive, time consuming mindless raids about a year or so after launch.

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by templarga

Fan boy attitude huh? Sounds like another WOW hater if you ask me.

You take the one positive comment out of the paragraph long tirade of WOW hate to say "He didn't really mean it and WOW is okay". Sorry, I don't think so.

It is clearly evident that the post was directed at WOW and WOW players and that, WOW is the worst of all; no other game is as bad as WOW and it is WOW's fault that everything is wrong with MMO's.

My argument is that it applies to every MMO and to not recognize that and to try and make one game out to be worse than another is only setting some false agenda and torch-bearing for the WOW hate community.

My mind is open and what I see from Blizzard is the same thing I have seen from MMO's since 1999 or so. Nothing different now except WOW is popular and its an easy target.

I play WoW, whats up?

It's apparent the guy does not "hate" WoW. He has eight 80s correct? Everything he said is correct, WoW, although a great game. Is getting very boring, logon do dailies, join raid, log off. You do this all week. Then the weekend rolls around, log on do dailies, raid, and if you plan on staying up late maybe you can treat yourself to some other repeatable content that people are getting "bored" (not hate) of.

I know your arguement applies to every MMO, and I agree fully. But the problem is that WoW is burning people out, sure they may add some new encounters and so on. But the next expansion (which feels like it is coming out WAY to fast) is going to make all that work and effort pointless. Now its not fully the problem that it makes all that pointless, its also the problem of having to do the SAME shit again in the next expansion.

 

Thank you, this is exactly what I was attempting to say. No I dont hate WoW, dont hate Blizzard either, but after the last 5 years its all repetative grind now. I cann't tell you how long it took to get my first +AGILITY enchant for weapons from the Timermaw, week after week of grinding out the faction. Now its worth just about....yeah nothing. And its the same accross the board in WoW now, every time they hit a new expansion it effectively erases everything you have done up to that point.

The only thing I do anymore is logon, do my dailies, do a quick raid, maybe a BG or two, logout. Hit the second toon and rinse/repeat. There is more to WoW than that anymore? The sad part is that I know the day the next expansion hits that the only thing that will be worth anything is the gold, and even that will be reduced in value as they tend to change the vendor/trainer fees enough to wipe out any nest egg you thought you had.

I do believe that even if Blizzard wasn't the first to come up with these methods, they are the ones who perfected them to this point. And I'm sure they won't be the last to use them either, afterall this is all about money isn't it? Entertainment for us yeah, but money for those who provide us with that entertainment. It all comes down to what we deem worth our money.

Originally posted by Kaocan

Originally posted by ncryan10

Originally posted by Kaocan

Originally posted by ninja33284

Lold. the people who really think WoW can die are kinda just sad,  8 million + players dont just up and quit a game because some other MMO comes along and it will take a couple more yeara before wow blows into the dust as one of the greatest games ever, but for now its jsut a great game hanging around, and Aion is a  great game of its own, but hasnt had the Expierence in the field to actualy do any harm to WoW.. any way

 

heres your sign....

 

You are planning on staying with WoW right? God I hope so.

 

You think his logic is wrong? No game would cause a mass transfer.

 

Actually yes, I do think his logic is wrong. Let me explain.

I have been a 5 year WoW player myself, have 8 level 80s right now. Have been around long enough to actually have a Warlord title on one of them (for some that means something). I have every craft/gather at max on both horde and alliance, and that includes cooking and fishing on every single main/alt. And I believe WoW is already dead, the people who are still playing it are just stuck in the daily grind to realize it. Perhaps after Blizzard brings out the next expansion, charges them another $50, and destroys everythign they worked thier a$$es off on every day for the past 5 years AGAIN, maybe then they will wake up.

Honestly, I do believe its not possible for AION to kill WoW, because WoW is already dead. I was in WoW the week WAR OB took place, there wasn't a kricket in all of Outland on 3 servers. Sure they came back once that game didnt' cater to the easy mode, but the fact remains they bailed to try first. The same will happen here too, those who like AION will stay, those who don't will hipe WoW again and fall back to sleep for another year.

And before anyone starts saying I'm just a WoW hater, let me correct you there first. I have nothign against WoW, I do howver have somethign against the players of WoW. Pre-WoW MMORPGs had a 'community' that some of us actually are proud to be a part of, Post-WoW...well lets just say half the time I'm ambarassaed to say I'm a gamer. Sheep plain and simple, catered to like sheep, groomed of your wool, kept in the pasture to eat more grass and grow more wool, and clipped again.

WoW isn't anything to compete with, the game basics itself is driven by grind in every area...no its not WoW thats the one to compete with, its Blizzard's coddling thats the one to break. The playerbase has become so blinded by thier mass-media machine that they dont even notice they are given a new game every expansion pack that resets everything they knew before. They just keep giving in to the 'oh look shiney!' and forget. And if your a WoW player, and saying it isnt' true, let me ask you this...how many runs did it take you to get your Tier II set? Tier III set?? Tier V set?? Tier VII set?? any of them worth anything now?? You payed Blizzard to waste how much of your life?? Oh dont look now, but word is there is another Expansion Pack in the works too, going to waste more time getting your top Tier set now?

WoW isn't one of the greatest games ever, its the company behind it thats the great one. I started playing WoW because I was a fan of the Warcraft series, as I'm sure most did originally back in the pre-BC days. Those people, and those days, are gone.

{mod edit} So you beleive wow is already dead?  Do I really need to pull out sub numbers?  No when warhammer came out there wasnt a difference at all, so thats just a lie or just your personal friends list weren't on.  Yes I agree the raiding is grind-esque.  Although people obviously enjoy it alot or they wouldn't do it.  Seeing all the great content and working together with 24 other friends can be a good time.  Ya it took me alot of runs to get all my tiers throught the years.  Did i have fun while doing it?  Yes.  Did i make lasting friends ive moved onto with other games even?  Yes.  Maybe you should try being more competitive in your wow time.  That should give you some fun, cause myself along with all the other top guild and players on my server are perfectly happy.  Maybe learn to pvp on a serious level, or become a worlds top guild, or even just push some dps records on wowmeteronline.com.  

So no wow isn't dead, and it isn't going to be dead.  The subs may drop a bit with aion being released.  And with the new expansion coming out they will be back.  And yes all my work on my character is going to be gone as i level to 85.  Although my memories and friends won't be.  I'm looking forward to seeing all the new zones, lore, and all the adventures I'm going to have with my guildies.  I'm also looking forward to Aion alot.  I'm just sick of nerds like this kid who think they're really smart by spewing they're wow "hate".  No you aren't smart.  You don't look cool to the other readers.  You're a loser and your opinion is terrible.  I'm not surprised you hate a game thats taken thousands upon thousands of hours of your life that you could have  spent making friends and meeting girls or doing something else productive.

/end rant

Originally posted by Kaocan

 

Honestly, I do believe its not possible for AION to kill WoW, because WoW is already dead. I was in WoW the week WAR OB took place, there wasn't a kricket in all of Outland on 3 servers. Sure they came back once that game didnt' cater to the easy mode, but the fact remains they bailed to try first. The same will happen here too, those who like AION will stay, those who don't will hipe WoW again and fall back to sleep for another year.

Now, before I say what I have to say, I do think you have some valid points and a well thought out post.  While I understand your use of "sheep", I think it's a little harsh, and I think for a lot of player's it's less a flock/herd mentality, and more of a fear or lack of desire to try something different.  Most of the WoW players I know are extremely casual gamers and will stay there due to that, a lot are in guilds and have mutliple online friends they run with.  A lot can be said for those you choose to play with, and if you like the "community" you have built up around yourself, then why leave? There is nothing wrong with that, and that hardly makes them sheep.  Not saying there aren't some sheep that play, but that is a bit of an overgeneralzation on the player base as a whole.  But I digress...

My main point in all of this deals with the above.  I have played WoW on and off for about three years (broke the cycle last year, but as I stated above, my "community" kept me going for awhile), had a few high level toons on a few different servers (most on Venture), and during the WAR OB, I did not see a dent in any of the servers I had toons on.  I remember due to one or two guildies trying it out at that time, and not many people were interested in making the jump (personally, I am just sick and tired of fantasy MMOs, so I had no desire to go from one to another).  Point being, just because three servers had crickets in the Outlands, with the number of servers and number of players, that hardly makes a big dent in their numbers.  WoW may be dead for you (myself as well), but for many others, it is alive and well.  Crickets in the outlands on three servers is hardly what I would call a massive shift.

In the end, the only thing that is going to kill WoW will be time or the "improvements" their patches bring.  No single game will ever cause a massive enough shift to damage it.  Just my two cents.  Flame on.

Originally posted by zizor

Originally posted by Kaocan

Originally posted by ncryan10

Originally posted by Kaocan

Originally posted by ninja33284

Lold. the people who really think WoW can die are kinda just sad,  8 million + players dont just up and quit a game because some other MMO comes along and it will take a couple more yeara before wow blows into the dust as one of the greatest games ever, but for now its jsut a great game hanging around, and Aion is a  great game of its own, but hasnt had the Expierence in the field to actualy do any harm to WoW.. any way

 

heres your sign....

 

You are planning on staying with WoW right? God I hope so.

 

You think his logic is wrong? No game would cause a mass transfer.

 

Actually yes, I do think his logic is wrong. Let me explain.

I have been a 5 year WoW player myself, have 8 level 80s right now. Have been around long enough to actually have a Warlord title on one of them (for some that means something). I have every craft/gather at max on both horde and alliance, and that includes cooking and fishing on every single main/alt. And I believe WoW is already dead, the people who are still playing it are just stuck in the daily grind to realize it. Perhaps after Blizzard brings out the next expansion, charges them another $50, and destroys everythign they worked thier a$$es off on every day for the past 5 years AGAIN, maybe then they will wake up.

Honestly, I do believe its not possible for AION to kill WoW, because WoW is already dead. I was in WoW the week WAR OB took place, there wasn't a kricket in all of Outland on 3 servers. Sure they came back once that game didnt' cater to the easy mode, but the fact remains they bailed to try first. The same will happen here too, those who like AION will stay, those who don't will hipe WoW again and fall back to sleep for another year.

And before anyone starts saying I'm just a WoW hater, let me correct you there first. I have nothign against WoW, I do howver have somethign against the players of WoW. Pre-WoW MMORPGs had a 'community' that some of us actually are proud to be a part of, Post-WoW...well lets just say half the time I'm ambarassaed to say I'm a gamer. Sheep plain and simple, catered to like sheep, groomed of your wool, kept in the pasture to eat more grass and grow more wool, and clipped again.

WoW isn't anything to compete with, the game basics itself is driven by grind in every area...no its not WoW thats the one to compete with, its Blizzard's coddling thats the one to break. The playerbase has become so blinded by thier mass-media machine that they dont even notice they are given a new game every expansion pack that resets everything they knew before. They just keep giving in to the 'oh look shiney!' and forget. And if your a WoW player, and saying it isnt' true, let me ask you this...how many runs did it take you to get your Tier II set? Tier III set?? Tier V set?? Tier VII set?? any of them worth anything now?? You payed Blizzard to waste how much of your life?? Oh dont look now, but word is there is another Expansion Pack in the works too, going to waste more time getting your top Tier set now?

WoW isn't one of the greatest games ever, its the company behind it thats the great one. I started playing WoW because I was a fan of the Warcraft series, as I'm sure most did originally back in the pre-BC days. Those people, and those days, are gone.

{mod edit} So you beleive wow is already dead?  Do I really need to pull out sub numbers?  No when warhammer came out there wasnt a difference at all, so thats just a lie or just your personal friends list weren't on.  Yes I agree the raiding is grind-esque.  Although people obviously enjoy it alot or they wouldn't do it.  Seeing all the great content and working together with 24 other friends can be a good time.  Ya it took me alot of runs to get all my tiers throught the years.  Did i have fun while doing it?  Yes.  Did i make lasting friends ive moved onto with other games even?  Yes.  Maybe you should try being more competitive in your wow time.  That should give you some fun, cause myself along with all the other top guild and players on my server are perfectly happy.  Maybe learn to pvp on a serious level, or become a worlds top guild, or even just push some dps records on wowmeteronline.com.  

So no wow isn't dead, and it isn't going to be dead.  The subs may drop a bit with aion being released.  And with the new expansion coming out they will be back.  And yes all my work on my character is going to be gone as i level to 85.  Although my memories and friends won't be.  I'm looking forward to seeing all the new zones, lore, and all the adventures I'm going to have with my guildies.  I'm also looking forward to Aion alot.  I'm just sick of nerds like this kid who think they're really smart by spewing they're wow "hate".  No you aren't smart.  You don't look cool to the other readers.  You're a loser and your opinion is terrible.  I'm not surprised you hate a game thats taken thousands upon thousands of hours of your life that you could have  spent making friends and meeting girls or doing something else productive.

/end rant

You are definately entitled to your opinion, however wrong your assumptions may actually be. Your also entitled to rant when you feel your insulted, I know I didn't pull any punches when I stated your obvious favorite game was in question. I realize it must chap your ass to think someone could possibly question your god like status or belittle your achievements. Afterall it must have taken you and all your friends countless hours to get them all in your virtual world.

Now, since I have given you your due on your opinions I'm only gonig to say one thing. Next time you make wild accusations and try to insult, maybe you should be close m'kay?? 'kid'...nope over 40, but I do have a 17 year old son thank you very much. 'aren't smart'...nope wrong again, actually I'm an Electrical Engneer with over 20 years experience in Telecommunications and a proud member of MENSA, but nice try there too. 'making friends and meeting girls'....yeah married thanks, and plenty of friends - mine are in the real world mostly, some of us even play games online together. As for spending time to 'impress' people with my in-game skills, alrdy got my Warlord title in the only PvP that meant ANYTHING in WoW. And as for the OMGZ I need to get my character name listed on that web site for glory! No thanx...rather spend my time working on my next pay raise at work or building my portfolio, but you have at it boy, I'm sure it will put that Audi in your driveway someday. Oh and please feel free to tell us all here how impressive your life really is, I'm sure everyone will get a kick outta it.

/end return rant

It's been said in another thread but never really answered.  Why do some want WOW to be killed again?

Originally posted by Wyldsong

Originally posted by Kaocan

 

Honestly, I do believe its not possible for AION to kill WoW, because WoW is already dead. I was in WoW the week WAR OB took place, there wasn't a kricket in all of Outland on 3 servers. Sure they came back once that game didnt' cater to the easy mode, but the fact remains they bailed to try first. The same will happen here too, those who like AION will stay, those who don't will hipe WoW again and fall back to sleep for another year.

 

Now, before I say what I have to say, I do think you have some valid points and a well thought out post.  While I understand your use of "sheep", I think it's a little harsh, and I think for a lot of player's it's less a flock/herd mentality, and more of a fear or lack of desire to try something different.  Most of the WoW players I know are extremely casual gamers and will stay there due to that, a lot are in guilds and have mutliple online friends they run with.  A lot can be said for those you choose to play with, and if you like the "community" you have built up around yourself, then why leave? There is nothing wrong with that, and that hardly makes them sheep.  Not saying there aren't some sheep that play, but that is a bit of an overgeneralzation on the player base as a whole.  But I digress...

 

My main point in all of this deals with the above.  I have played WoW on and off for about three years (broke the cycle last year, but as I stated above, my "community" kept me going for awhile), had a few high level toons on a few different servers (most on Venture), and during the WAR OB, I did not see a dent in any of the servers I had toons on.  I remember due to one or two guildies trying it out at that time, and not many people were interested in making the jump (personally, I am just sick and tired of fantasy MMOs, so I had no desire to go from one to another).  Point being, just because three servers had crickets in the Outlands, with the number of servers and number of players, that hardly makes a big dent in their numbers.  WoW may be dead for you (myself as well), but for many others, it is alive and well.  Crickets in the outlands on three servers is hardly what I would call a massive shift.

 

In the end, the only thing that is going to kill WoW will be time or the "improvements" their patches bring.  No single game will ever cause a massive enough shift to damage it.  Just my two cents.  Flame on.

Your absolutely right here, and yes, my term sheep may have been a bit harsh. Flock may have actually been more accurate as well, since ti does appear to me that its the group thats holding the sub numbers up still in WoW. Usually, and you can even see it already here if you check the server forums for Aion, the guilds stay together even through a game move. Which is more than likely why so many haven't move off it yet, as any new game has to convince the majority of the group its worth the time, money, and effort.

And yes, I did imply there was a shift when WAR OB came out, and it was accurate. I made that point to show that there are in fact many people who are at least willing to look outside WoW for thier gaming needs, wether they find a new home or not, it is still a fact they are looking.

As for the end of WoW, I cann't say when it will be, but I stand by my prediction that it is 'already dead'. And yes that is a prediction, of which I personally feel will be caused by themselves. One by the "improvements" as you so nicely put it, and secondly by the group transfer mentality. Eventually there will be some game that comes out that will be enough to justify the guild/group moving off of WoW. They dont all have to move in the same week, to the same game, but as more and more of them do move, less and less are left behind. Your so called TopGuilds as one person here likes to call them are all new to the scene, or a mojority of them are. How many of the original hard-core raiding guilds are actually left anymore? The names maybe, third generation rebuilt, and currently run by the noob who used to make the potion runs (water boy).

But yeah, your absolutely right on pretty much all of your post here, its the community thats keeping WoW alive right now, and in my opion, its that same community that will bring it down.

Originally posted by seventy7l

Originally posted by linren

How does a mmo kill another mmo?  I mean, did that ever happen before?

I mean most mmo seem to either be killed by itself, developer, company, or players.  I have not see a game actually killing another yet, so if someone want to give a past example, that would be greatly appreciated.

 

I am afraid you are completely right how does one MMO kill another?Your point is greatly appreciated as i will spend the rest of my night pondering on how it is possible thanks for the statement!

"how do you kill that which has no life ?"

sorry had to :)

Anyway WOW will never die just like EQ and Ultima it could turn to absolute crap (IMO it already is and always has been) but it will still always have a loyal following who will just not move on until the day the final server closes.

I have great news for poster #21, when he / she writes :

"Congrats you just described EQ and the company that began that process. I think you need to re-direct your disdain for that "end-game" based expansions to SOE and not Blizzard."
 

Guess what ? The guys who are deciding on WoW's design are the former elite players from EQ : Kaplan was Tigole, guild leader of Legacy of Steel, for example. At some point Furor (Fires of Heaven) joined the project, and so on...

So congratulations for your awareness ! You're perfectly right, EQ and WOW have the same problems regarding endgame and progression, but that's just because WOW's endgame and progression are a copy-paste of what used to be EQ's endgame and progression until Planes of Power (I dont know how it went afterwards, and how it is nowadays).

I don't know if that is enough to say Aion's endgame will be any different, I have no idea. But at least you now know the reason why WOW and EQ are so much alike...

There wont be any one factor that kills wow it ll be a number of things . Aion will reduce the number of WOW players as will the new Star Wars mmo (  and many other as yet to be released mmos for that matter ) . Boredom with Warcraft will also lead players to give it up . WoW will look increasingly dated in the coming years so time will be another factor .Also Blizzard tend to be aiming the game at an increasingly younger and casual userbase so short term gains over long term gameplay will lead to less people playing eventually .

Aions not the WOWkiller .But it is the first nail in its coffin . Of course i could be totally wrong and if AION becomes the in game among children , pier pressure may come into play and it may become the in game to play . If you suddenly become uncool at school for playing WOW then that ll lead to a vast exodus from the game . I personally dont think thats likly to happen but you never know .