Originally posted by joshe

 

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Originally posted by JohnCreed

 

That's an incredibly stupid comment you just made. Some people don't like first person view locked MMO's. Period. They shouldn't play them and it's the risk the developers take when they choose to use such a camera view.

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Could you repeat the part: "it's the risk the developers take when they choose to use such a camera view" ?
Seems to me , that if this is so risky, for example gothic series would end up on 2nd part, oblivion wouldn't be so successful,

Dont want to spoil your mood mate but every real friend i have that played oblivion played always on 3rd person ,and only when using bows on 1st cause u cant aim well in oblivion with bows from 3rd person view =]

Don't see how anyone can stand to play oblivion in third person. It looks awful

Originally posted by Toquio3

I would consider playing this, but the 1st person crap in a rpg completely turns me off. shame, the game looks good.

Yeah I agree. Big part of an MMORPG is how your character looks like and be not being able to see that just seems stupid.

Damn indy developers and their wacky ideas.

Originally posted by Abloec

Originally posted by phrank

Originally posted by Abloec

 

lol, I wish this was sarcastic.... So because they are actually going for realism its a stupid decision. Some people actually enjoy it and it ends up hightening the experience because your not a doll in a game, you can place yourself in the game. If 3rd person is your thing fine, your missing out on a bunch of good games that use your so called dumb decisions.

 

So lets compare realism with this game:

Realism lets you turn your head while not turning your body, nope not in this game

Realism lets you have good positional surround sound to warn you of approaching danger, nope not in this game

Realism lets you dive out of the way of an attack, roll and recover for a counter, nope not in this game

Realism kills you when you jump off a 60 foot cliff, nope not in this game

Realism lets you have approx a 170 degree field of view and the ability to rapidly detect changes in your peripheral view, nope not in this game.

I can go on for ages but the point is don't throw down the realism card unless you really mean it, you know like one shot kills, permadeath, no magic, no flying mounts, etc.

First person view only will be death to any game. This is not 1999 anymore and most people don't find it conducive to good gameplay.

 

Even if they are going for realism its still a game, you want to be able to turn your head without turning your body, in a game that is more of a hassle for the player than anything unless the game is actually Virtual Reality. You would have 2 different turn buttons.

 

How do you know what type of sound they are going to release with, a good surround sound system would easily fix this if they support 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound when it releases which most games released today support surround sound.

 

lol, you jump off a 60 foot cliff in the game you do die. I dont know where the hell you saw someone not die in game when that happened. Only thing I can think of is you can't judge how far you have actually fallen.

 

Ok supply the world with www.hexus.net/content/item.php and you can complain about 170 degree vision.

 

To add a certain level of realism to games demand certain things in reality. You can strive for it but until we reach that level its impossible.

3rd person view is more realistic than 1st person with only 100 degrees viewspan and limited surround sound.

No game so far has been able to create realistic surround sound equaling that of real life and with 100 degrees viewspan the game will be like playing a half deaf and half blind person.

That is why 3rd person view is much better in MMORPGs. Not because you want to play like a "doll" but because it allows you a better view of your surrounding. Now if the devs want to prevent people to zoom out too much then they could limit that but to force you in 1st person view is just a poor decision. One that will cost them subscribers, for sure.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Abloec

Originally posted by phrank

Originally posted by Abloec

 

lol, I wish this was sarcastic.... So because they are actually going for realism its a stupid decision. Some people actually enjoy it and it ends up hightening the experience because your not a doll in a game, you can place yourself in the game. If 3rd person is your thing fine, your missing out on a bunch of good games that use your so called dumb decisions.

 

So lets compare realism with this game:

Realism lets you turn your head while not turning your body, nope not in this game

Realism lets you have good positional surround sound to warn you of approaching danger, nope not in this game

Realism lets you dive out of the way of an attack, roll and recover for a counter, nope not in this game

Realism kills you when you jump off a 60 foot cliff, nope not in this game

Realism lets you have approx a 170 degree field of view and the ability to rapidly detect changes in your peripheral view, nope not in this game.

I can go on for ages but the point is don't throw down the realism card unless you really mean it, you know like one shot kills, permadeath, no magic, no flying mounts, etc.

First person view only will be death to any game. This is not 1999 anymore and most people don't find it conducive to good gameplay.

 

Even if they are going for realism its still a game, you want to be able to turn your head without turning your body, in a game that is more of a hassle for the player than anything unless the game is actually Virtual Reality. You would have 2 different turn buttons.

 

How do you know what type of sound they are going to release with, a good surround sound system would easily fix this if they support 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound when it releases which most games released today support surround sound.

 

lol, you jump off a 60 foot cliff in the game you do die. I dont know where the hell you saw someone not die in game when that happened. Only thing I can think of is you can't judge how far you have actually fallen.

 

Ok supply the world with www.hexus.net/content/item.php and you can complain about 170 degree vision.

 

To add a certain level of realism to games demand certain things in reality. You can strive for it but until we reach that level its impossible.

3rd person view is more realistic than 1st person with only 100 degrees viewspan and limited surround sound.

No game so far has been able to create realistic surround sound equaling that of real life and with 100 degrees viewspan the game will be like playing a half deaf and half blind person.

That is why 3rd person view is much better in MMORPGs. Not because you want to play like a "doll" but because it allows you a better view of your surrounding. Now if the devs want to prevent people to zoom out too much then they could limit that but to force you in 1st person view is just a poor decision. One that will cost them subscribers, for sure.

It's your opinion so clearly it must be fact.  The entire point of first person is to allow immersion and realism in tactics and gameplay (remember, it's a PvP game or so they say).  People complain about games not being innovative and keeping the same mold, then here you have people complaining that they're doing just that.  Make up your minds.
 

Originally posted by Angorim

3rd person view is more realistic than 1st person with only 100 degrees viewspan and limited surround sound.

No game so far has been able to create realistic surround sound equaling that of real life and with 100 degrees viewspan the game will be like playing a half deaf and half blind person.

That is why 3rd person view is much better in MMORPGs. Not because you want to play like a "doll" but because it allows you a better view of your surrounding. Now if the devs want to prevent people to zoom out too much then they could limit that but to force you in 1st person view is just a poor decision. One that will cost them subscribers, for sure.

It's your opinion so clearly it must be fact.  The entire point of first person is to allow immersion and realism in tactics and gameplay (remember, it's a PvP game or so they say).  People complain about games not being innovative and keeping the same mold, then here you have people complaining that they're doing just that.  Make up your minds.
 

That 1st person view gives you about a 100 degree view span (on a standard monitor) is not my opinion, that is a fact.

That no MMORPG has ever created a positional sound that rivals that of RL is not my opinion, that is a fact.

Beside this tired old argument that they do it for "realism" does not hold since then they would not force you into 1st person view. They are doing it so that you wont be able to see gankers sneaking up on you and that how should enhance the PvP atmosphere and that is rubbish. And that is my opinion and not a fact...

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Angorim

3rd person view is more realistic than 1st person with only 100 degrees viewspan and limited surround sound.

No game so far has been able to create realistic surround sound equaling that of real life and with 100 degrees viewspan the game will be like playing a half deaf and half blind person.

That is why 3rd person view is much better in MMORPGs. Not because you want to play like a "doll" but because it allows you a better view of your surrounding. Now if the devs want to prevent people to zoom out too much then they could limit that but to force you in 1st person view is just a poor decision. One that will cost them subscribers, for sure.

It's your opinion so clearly it must be fact.  The entire point of first person is to allow immersion and realism in tactics and gameplay (remember, it's a PvP game or so they say).  People complain about games not being innovative and keeping the same mold, then here you have people complaining that they're doing just that.  Make up your minds.
 

That 1st person view gives you about a 100 degree view span (on a standard monitor) is not my opinion, that is a fact.

That no MMORPG has ever created a positional sound that rivals that of RL is not my opinion, that is a fact.

Beside this tired old argument that they do it for "realism" does not hold since then they would not force you into 1st person view. They are doing it so that you wont be able to see gankers sneaking up on you and that how should enhance the PvP atmosphere and that is rubbish. And that is my opinion and not a fact...

I don't know, sounds pretty factual to me along with the fact that it takes much less / lazy programming to limit you to first person only.

 It has nothing to do with lazyness...

A third person camera can be implemented in few hours as much.

The question is that MO has been developed from the start with FPV in mind. Everything has been balanced arround this feature.

They had to redo mount riding in order to make it userfriendly in FPV.

If they add TPV they will have to balance all the stuff again...

Originally posted by phrank

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Angorim

3rd person view is more realistic than 1st person with only 100 degrees viewspan and limited surround sound.

No game so far has been able to create realistic surround sound equaling that of real life and with 100 degrees viewspan the game will be like playing a half deaf and half blind person.

That is why 3rd person view is much better in MMORPGs. Not because you want to play like a "doll" but because it allows you a better view of your surrounding. Now if the devs want to prevent people to zoom out too much then they could limit that but to force you in 1st person view is just a poor decision. One that will cost them subscribers, for sure.

It's your opinion so clearly it must be fact.  The entire point of first person is to allow immersion and realism in tactics and gameplay (remember, it's a PvP game or so they say).  People complain about games not being innovative and keeping the same mold, then here you have people complaining that they're doing just that.  Make up your minds.
 

That 1st person view gives you about a 100 degree view span (on a standard monitor) is not my opinion, that is a fact.

That no MMORPG has ever created a positional sound that rivals that of RL is not my opinion, that is a fact.

Beside this tired old argument that they do it for "realism" does not hold since then they would not force you into 1st person view. They are doing it so that you wont be able to see gankers sneaking up on you and that how should enhance the PvP atmosphere and that is rubbish. And that is my opinion and not a fact...

 

I don't know, sounds pretty factual to me along with the fact that it takes much less / lazy programming to limit you to first person only.

Is the only thing you do is bash sandbox games. Are you a WoW employee or something?

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by phrank

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Angorim

3rd person view is more realistic than 1st person with only 100 degrees viewspan and limited surround sound.

No game so far has been able to create realistic surround sound equaling that of real life and with 100 degrees viewspan the game will be like playing a half deaf and half blind person.

That is why 3rd person view is much better in MMORPGs. Not because you want to play like a "doll" but because it allows you a better view of your surrounding. Now if the devs want to prevent people to zoom out too much then they could limit that but to force you in 1st person view is just a poor decision. One that will cost them subscribers, for sure.

It's your opinion so clearly it must be fact.  The entire point of first person is to allow immersion and realism in tactics and gameplay (remember, it's a PvP game or so they say).  People complain about games not being innovative and keeping the same mold, then here you have people complaining that they're doing just that.  Make up your minds.
 

That 1st person view gives you about a 100 degree view span (on a standard monitor) is not my opinion, that is a fact.

That no MMORPG has ever created a positional sound that rivals that of RL is not my opinion, that is a fact.

Beside this tired old argument that they do it for "realism" does not hold since then they would not force you into 1st person view. They are doing it so that you wont be able to see gankers sneaking up on you and that how should enhance the PvP atmosphere and that is rubbish. And that is my opinion and not a fact...

 

I don't know, sounds pretty factual to me along with the fact that it takes much less / lazy programming to limit you to first person only.

 

Is the only thing you do is bash sandbox games. Are you a WoW employee or something?

Naw I have a brain and can see shit when it is presented on a platter such as your favorite game to shill for; Dorkfail.
 

How about heading back there and writing some more sycophantic shill posts while bowing at Lord Tacos feet awaiting your weekly shillbot check?

BTW fawnboi, I would much rather work for a company that will be around in a few years like Blizz instead of a scam operation like Av.....

Originally posted by phrank

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by phrank

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Angorim

3rd person view is more realistic than 1st person with only 100 degrees viewspan and limited surround sound.

No game so far has been able to create realistic surround sound equaling that of real life and with 100 degrees viewspan the game will be like playing a half deaf and half blind person.

That is why 3rd person view is much better in MMORPGs. Not because you want to play like a "doll" but because it allows you a better view of your surrounding. Now if the devs want to prevent people to zoom out too much then they could limit that but to force you in 1st person view is just a poor decision. One that will cost them subscribers, for sure.

It's your opinion so clearly it must be fact.  The entire point of first person is to allow immersion and realism in tactics and gameplay (remember, it's a PvP game or so they say).  People complain about games not being innovative and keeping the same mold, then here you have people complaining that they're doing just that.  Make up your minds.
 

That 1st person view gives you about a 100 degree view span (on a standard monitor) is not my opinion, that is a fact.

That no MMORPG has ever created a positional sound that rivals that of RL is not my opinion, that is a fact.

Beside this tired old argument that they do it for "realism" does not hold since then they would not force you into 1st person view. They are doing it so that you wont be able to see gankers sneaking up on you and that how should enhance the PvP atmosphere and that is rubbish. And that is my opinion and not a fact...

 

I don't know, sounds pretty factual to me along with the fact that it takes much less / lazy programming to limit you to first person only.

 

Is the only thing you do is bash sandbox games. Are you a WoW employee or something?

Naw I have a brain and can see shit when it is presented on a platter such as your favorite game to shill for; Dorkfail.
 

How about heading back there and writing some more sycophantic shill posts while bowing at Lord Tacos feet awaiting your weekly shillbot check?

BTW fawnboi, I would much rather work for a company that will be around in a few years like Blizz instead of a scam operation like Av.....

Yea I'm a fanboy of darkfall that is currently playing FE, MO beta, and Darkfall. That is really fanboy behavior. You have proven with every post that you don't like sandbox games. Stop trolling.

You know one of the things that , most everyone forgets in battles like this is the effects armor has on sight and sounds now if your dancing around in light leather with no neck or head protect except maybe a small skull cap then yes you can turn your head your postional vision is not effected , but put on a morden fenceing mask with neck protection and your head movement is restricted to where you have to slightly turn your body to see, now move on to chain, scale, splinted mails and half plate with a standard slited eye slot helm, you've now restricted not only your vision, but you've slowed your movements down as well and I know someone is going to say but I am big and strong, I will give you that , but even that you cannot change the law of physics, you start moving in and exrta 100 lbs of armor you don't run far stop fas , jump to high or stop drop roll and leap up balnce and ready to stop that kill shot. Go to full plate and you are down to what you see in first person and most the padding you wear under neath your armor and in your helm to pad it cuts your hearing way down. So first person is not that far off for realism and all you people that like 3rd person, i do also it's a little vanity issues, i like to watch my avatar kick butt, but the avrage person gets most of their knowledge for fighting with swords and wearing armor and what you can and can not do from books, movies and video games, and that is no where near the truth of it. Also for all of those that will say what do you know. I have fought in the SCA, actaully did jousting and trained in fence for over 30 + years I have use rattan swords, bokkans, metal blanks, actal blades for demo's, worn cloth, chain made with Iron, not the light weigh, but full 70 plus lbs full suits i have worn full suits of plate in both summer and winter, but they suck in the summer. So my point , why fight play the game if you like it, don't play if you hate , have a good discussion on the pro's and con's , but remember it's only a game in the end.

Originally posted by ghoul31

Get a new computer folks.

It actually looks pretty bad. Low res and low detail. and by the way, I'm quite sure my computer is better than yours

GTX 260 900MB

Phenom II x4 945

8GB 800Mhz RAM

Originally posted by mo0rbid

Originally posted by ghoul31

Get a new computer folks.

It actually looks pretty bad. Low res and low detail. and by the way, I'm quite sure my computer is better than yours

GTX 260 900MB

Phenom II x4 945

8GB 800Mhz RAM

looks decent www.gametrailers.com/video/in-production-gameplay-mortal-online/47101

and no you dont

hd 4870x2

core2 extreme x9650

8 gb 800Mhz

Originally posted by grunt187

Originally posted by mo0rbid

Originally posted by ghoul31

Get a new computer folks.

It actually looks pretty bad. Low res and low detail. and by the way, I'm quite sure my computer is better than yours

GTX 260 900MB

Phenom II x4 945

8GB 800Mhz RAM

 

 

and no you dont

hd 4870x2

core2 extreme x9650

8 gb 800Mhz

err was I talking to you?

Originally posted by mo0rbid

Originally posted by ghoul31

Get a new computer folks.

It actually looks pretty bad. Low res and low detail. and by the way, I'm quite sure my computer is better than yours

GTX 260 900MB

Phenom II x4 945

8GB 800Mhz RAM

I have an Intel Core I7 920 with 9 gigs of RAM.  So no,  you don't have a better computer than me.