think of it as a way to give MS more money and hope they got it right this time....

;)

Because it looks sexy....................

Consider what vista was like when it first arrived, now consider the opposite scenario for 7, and you got what windows should be like all those years ago + DX11.

And yes i have it runing on my PC, yes im a Win XP user prior to that, and yes it runs faster whit all the programs(including games), Just to put an example: whit Empire total war v1.3 i have a nasty CTD, well whit 7 no more..

Does windows 7 work with ETW and Aion and stuff like that then? Also I take it installing it now will wipe my HDD?

Originally posted by Splinki

Well, when Vista first came out, it was a piece of crap. So most people stayed with XP. Now, they're releasing Windows 7 which is what Vista SHOULD have been. Staying with XP would actually be kind of stupid in my opinion. A lot of the time, Microsoft will stop supporting their older operating systems and I don't think that XP will be any different. In fact, it's not smart to NOT upgrade to a new operating system, granted you could wait a while, but eventually it'll be necessary. I know someone who finally just upgraded from Windows Millenia because everything just started becoming more and more of a problem; games wouldn't install and programs stopped working properly.

Frankly, if you look at Windows 7 and the beta thats been going on, you'll find that Windows 7 stability and ease of use, is far superior to Windows Vista and in fact, is (in my opinion) better then XP, especially if you plan to use more then 4 gigs of RAM, the 64 bit actually works, flawlessly. The only problem I've had since installing the beta of Windows 7, was actually with Gameguard + Aion, and thats only because Gameguard didn't update their program to include Windows 7 until recently.

I mean, it of course would be up to you, but there is always incentive to upgrading to a new operating system. Staying current, is always better, at least in the gaming world.

In my opinion.

P.S. Up until the beta, I used the same OS as you, but considering the fact that there ARE bugs and problems with Vista, and that they are all fixed and cleaned up with Windows 7, why wouldn't you upgrade?

Well, Windows 2000 was the best OS Ms ever made but it took 1 1/2 year for them to make it run as it should. I will evetually change from XP to W7 but I will wait until they have fixed the worst buggs.So I will probably install it next spring or so. I waited a long time before installing XP too.

Vista is the worst crap since Windows Me, Dx10 might be sweet but it is not worth how much it slows down my computer and lower the stability.

Microsofts OSes are like a MMO, it need some times until it works as it should. In some cases like Vista they never fixes it.  And I am not worried about my computers performance, my raided SSDs and my 280 GTX handles rather sweet in XP too.

Originally posted by Compwinner

Does windows 7 work with ETW and Aion and stuff like that then? Also I take it installing it now will wipe my HDD?

Don't know what ETW is but Aion runs just fine on my Windows 7 RTM 64 bit. You can do an upgrade install from Vista. A clean install does not mean formating either, you just set up a new Windoes Folder and a new User folder. Most games ran fine without reinstallation, some were fixed by just copying over the files from the older User folder. But you will have to reinstall some applications yes.

1) Most stable pre-release OS EVER

2) Cheapest OS ever ( almost as if they are trying to offer us an apology for Vista )

3)Smallest install package since Win 3.1

4)Quickest install EVER 

    Full drive format, compete install, networked, patched, all latest updated drivers installed.

XP 4-5 hours if you include manually configuring your internet connection and tracking down and upgrading all the drivers for all your hardware.

Vista 2-3 hours if you include manually tracking down your lastest hardware drivers.

Win 7  15-20 mins including full format, install, automatic network configuration and connection optimization ( including home or office lan network setup ), automatic latest driver selection and installation, automatic processor and memory optimization.

5) Err did I mention PRICE?

6) Automatically recognizes and handles configuration and optimization of TRI and Quad SLI : ))

and the list goes on but those were the biggest sellers for me.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Splinki

Well, when Vista first came out, it was a piece of crap. So most people stayed with XP. Now, they're releasing Windows 7 which is what Vista SHOULD have been. Staying with XP would actually be kind of stupid in my opinion. A lot of the time, Microsoft will stop supporting their older operating systems and I don't think that XP will be any different. In fact, it's not smart to NOT upgrade to a new operating system, granted you could wait a while, but eventually it'll be necessary. I know someone who finally just upgraded from Windows Millenia because everything just started becoming more and more of a problem; games wouldn't install and programs stopped working properly.

Frankly, if you look at Windows 7 and the beta thats been going on, you'll find that Windows 7 stability and ease of use, is far superior to Windows Vista and in fact, is (in my opinion) better then XP, especially if you plan to use more then 4 gigs of RAM, the 64 bit actually works, flawlessly. The only problem I've had since installing the beta of Windows 7, was actually with Gameguard + Aion, and thats only because Gameguard didn't update their program to include Windows 7 until recently.

I mean, it of course would be up to you, but there is always incentive to upgrading to a new operating system. Staying current, is always better, at least in the gaming world.

In my opinion.

P.S. Up until the beta, I used the same OS as you, but considering the fact that there ARE bugs and problems with Vista, and that they are all fixed and cleaned up with Windows 7, why wouldn't you upgrade?

Well, Windows 2000 was the best OS Ms ever made but it took 1 1/2 year for them to make it run as it should. I will evetually change from XP to W7 but I will wait until they have fixed the worst buggs.So I will probably install it next spring or so. I waited a long time before installing XP too.

Vista is the worst crap since Windows Me, Dx10 might be sweet but it is not worth how much it slows down my computer and lower the stability.

Microsofts OSes are like a MMO, it need some times until it works as it should. In some cases like Vista they never fixes it.  And I am not worried about my computers performance, my raided SSDs and my 280 GTX handles rather sweet in XP too.

Ok in MMO terms then.

Windows ME at release = Anarchy Online at release.

Windows Vista at release = Age of Conan at release.

Windows 7 as RC = Aion.

I beta tested all those games too. Aion as it was in closed beta ran much more stable and was much more rich in content than many mmo's 2 years after release. Same thing applies to Windows 7. Windows 7 is not just a new OS it is also like Windows Vista SP3 only better.

I played with Vista 32 and 64, never had problems really.

Have now Win7, and everything runs smoother. Can only say what has been said and mentioned in reviews:

better memory management, better gfx-interface management (you don't have the application lock-up as under Vista), and Dx11 (although, one doesn't really need that....). Plus, it will be cheaper than Vista at release....

alright fanbois I'm now intrigued! I want to try it.

Will be down.. err buying it when it's released!

Originally posted by zazz

Lets face it none of you know if its better or not

That would be you being completely wrong then.

Originally posted by Mystlynx

Originally posted by liquescent

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_7_gaming_performance/

 

 

That article is from Jan 23.  I would be interested to see what that same setup would run like now.  Win 7 now runs better than it did 8 months ago, the drivers are better, etc.

www.firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_7_gaming/

A much more recent one from august. It seems Windows 7 is the choice for gamers with multi-GPU setups but overall it seems to do atleast as good as windows XP and Vista and probably the one that will improve the most.

I never went to Vista, I stuck with XP the entire time (Although I had to use Vista at work). I tinkered with the Windows 7 Beta and RC on my home computers.

A couple of weeks ago I switched my work computer to Windows 7 Enterprise and three days ago installed Windows 7 Professional 64-bit from MSDNAA  and I love it. I'm in the process of transferring and backing up all of my important XP files, and I still have my XP partition in case I need it, but Windows 7 rocks. It starts up incredibly fast, runs smooth, UI looks great, and it's awesome to have 8GB of ram working for you.

The only issue I have had so far is that Counter-Striker Source crashes on startup with dual monitors, but I think that may be a video driver issue. Strangely, just unplugging the second monitor from the back of the computer allows it to start up without a flaw. I have to look into that issue more.

Otherwise, Windows 7 is awesome and I'm glad I made the switch.

Firing Squad is not a good site for reviewing hardware, the link above does not explain system setup i.e. what services are running? What versions of XP/Vista/7 are they using? 64bit 32bit? Then LOL they use bench mark software that measures performance based on cpu through put % use. It read likes a paid for advertorial for XP

My system uses 8Gb of ram, a 260OCgtx nvidia card with the top dual core AMD cpu, I have all three OS installed at 64bit XP Pro / Vista / 7 - 7 performs extremely well if you are a multiboxer you can take advantage of the huge amounts of ram and processing power available on dual/quad core and above. I can run Lord of the Rings and any of WoW/AoC/War/Crysis (dual monitor set up) with out it skipping a beat.

Vista can perform on par with 7 but requires more thinning down and disabling compared to the stock standard install of windows 7 which requires minimal tweaking to run at the thinnest possible overheads.

Corporates, namely one that I work for, which has a large geographically distrubuted network of over 5000 connections of various nature, we would never consider Vista due to the overheads and strain it puts on a network environment -- oddly enough though we have been testing windows 7 + 08 Sever in parallel with 03 sever and XP pro clients and we are gaining greater efficiencies across the board, in particular with the move to 64 bit.

Being a gamer, Windows 7 in my personal opinion is the one to move too, particularly if you are a fan of disabling unecessary overheads in terms of services and flashy desktop settings - microsoft intuitively points you at those annoying settings with 7 and say here is where you get rid of that. Vista can be done but its like trying to break into fort knox to get at the annoying services/overheads for a single PC/internet set up.

I'v been completely happy with Vista. But then again I have tweaked it for performance.

It is extremely fast if you know what settings to enable/disable/tweak

And it is infinately more stable than XP.

Win7 will be heads and tails above XP or vista.

My PC has a Vista Ultimate 64 and XP 32-bit dual boot setup. Vista is rock solid for me, never crashes at all. I see no compelling reason to upgrade to Windows 7. I have about 300GB unused partition on my hard drive I'll save for Windows 8 or whatever comes next. I tried the Windows 7 beta and the look and feel of it was pretty much exactly the same as Vista.

Originally posted by thanith

Originally posted by Dameaus

Originally posted by zazz

Lets face it none of you know if its better or not, yes they release a list of impromenst but this doesnt mean performance increases.

 

No wonder Microsoft will be laughing all the way to the bank once again.

 

uuhhhhhhhhhhh.... a lot of people actually DO know for a fact that it is better.... its called "running the release candidate" which at this point is pretty much identical to the final build of the OS. windows 7 release candidate runs smoothly and plays games just fine. and did i mention that it is set up more more logically than vista?

 

you seem to have great inside into the windows kernel structure. can you please explain to an old unix geek what exactely "more logically" means?

im you are trying to mock me in some way... im sorry but you failed. what part of "more logically" is hard to understand? the OS is configured to be far more user friendly, and everything as far as settings, configs, what have you is in a more logical place than it was in Vista. With Vista, if you wanted to say, change a network configuration in some way, you had to dig dig dig to find what you want. In Windows 7, everything is in a logical place and easy to find. The OS also uses it resources in a more efficient manner, requiring far less memory to run than vista, allowing more of that precious memory to go towards applications.

was that simply enough for you MR. "unix geek"?