Originally posted by Binko

Story or no story, big or small, SOE or Bioware...

Don't forget Lucas. He is the one with the power.

Biggest problem with this game is Star Wars. Other games can add whatever they feel like. This game must follow rules. Blizzard made WoW the biggest with all the freedom they have. Thats what I think anyway.

 

I agree with you except for the fact BioWare helped to create and mold the Old Republic timeline.  So it puts them in a lot better position and gives them more leeway with Star Wars and the content they can include (a couple of Sith wars, Mandolorian wars, etc.).  A lot of what went on has barely been touched from that time frame.  That gives BW a ton of freedom with few limitations.  SoE was gimped from the start with their timeline having to stay truer to the movies and that timeline then BW will have to be.

I have to believe that when you make a post with a title such as this you are just looking for a fight. There is no other reason to title a thread that way. But next time just title a thread "Flame here" and you will get the same result with less typing.

It will not save anything, in my mind it is another step in the wrong direction for MMOs and I think the game sounds dreadful so far.

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

I have to believe that when you make a post with a title such as this you are just looking for a fight. There is no other reason to title a thread that way. But next time just title a thread "Flame here" and you will get the same result with less typing.

 

It will not save anything, in my mind it is another step in the wrong direction for MMOs and I think the game sounds dreadful so far.

This can easily be countered by asking you simply what is a step in the right direction for MMOs?  If you're answer has to do with a sandbox style MMO, then you're in the wrong forum.

Bioware is pissing in the wind.

Originally posted by Ruyn

Bioware is pissing in the wind.

Oh.. it all makes sense to me now.........  .... ....?

don't know about saving mmos but from from what I have seen so far it will be worth a look.

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

I have to believe that when you make a post with a title such as this you are just looking for a fight. There is no other reason to title a thread that way. But next time just title a thread "Flame here" and you will get the same result with less typing.

 

It will not save anything, in my mind it is another step in the wrong direction for MMOs and I think the game sounds dreadful so far.

 

This can easily be countered by asking you simply what is a step in the right direction for MMOs?  If you're answer has to do with a sandbox style MMO, then you're in the wrong forum.

 Ah that lame response again. So here's my typical response to that: These forums are public and available to all opinions whether for or against a game. It is not limited to fans of a game posting, it is just as much for critics of a game to post. Therefore I am not in the wrong forum no matter what I think is a step in the right direction.

Unless they go with the guild war style of paying up front and no monthly fee this game starts off terrible. From the information released it sounds to be an extremely linear forced experience for solos small groups with very little M from the MMO.

Essentially their game plan was to release a game along the lines they had been but to make more money by marketing it as an MMO. Since it was to be a game like the others everyone had to be allowed to be the cool classes of Jedi and Sith. Who doesn't want to swing around two lightsabers and force throw someone off a ledge? But since it was to be marketted as an MMO they needed more classes and as such now they need all classes to be balanced. I can't wait to see the rest of the class list and see them explain how those characters can stand toe to toe with a Jedi or Sith.

People are hyped about this game because A) It is Star Wars, and next to Star Trek they are probably the most over the top fans ever. B) These same people liked the single player games, and they are in love with Bioware. Because of this they are hyping this as the most amazing thing since legalized prostitution. But it is just another forced story line, really solo play experience and once it launches all the hype will be gone, the numbers won't be that great and all the "This will be the best MMO ever!!!1!!1!!, SW:toR will save MMOs and gamers everywhere!!!1!!" posts will go away and we all get to move on to the next MMO that won't come close to being the next big thing but will be hyped as such.

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

I have to believe that when you make a post with a title such as this you are just looking for a fight. There is no other reason to title a thread that way. But next time just title a thread "Flame here" and you will get the same result with less typing.

 

It will not save anything, in my mind it is another step in the wrong direction for MMOs and I think the game sounds dreadful so far.

 

This can easily be countered by asking you simply what is a step in the right direction for MMOs?  If you're answer has to do with a sandbox style MMO, then you're in the wrong forum.

 

 Ah that lame response again. So here's my typical response to that: These forums are public and available to all opinions whether for or against a game. It is not limited to fans of a game posting, it is just as much for critics of a game to post. Therefore I am not in the wrong forum no matter what I think is a step in the right direction.

 

Unless they go with the guild war style of paying up front and no monthly fee this game starts off terrible. From the information released it sounds to be an extremely linear forced experience for solos small groups with very little M from the MMO.

 

Essentially their game plan was to release a game along the lines they had been but to make more money by marketing it as an MMO. Since it was to be a game like the others everyone had to be allowed to be the cool classes of Jedi and Sith. Who doesn't want to swing around two lightsabers and force throw someone off a ledge? But since it was to be marketted as an MMO they needed more classes and as such now they need all classes to be balanced. I can't wait to see the rest of the class list and see them explain how those characters can stand toe to toe with a Jedi or Sith.

 

People are hyped about this game because A) It is Star Wars, and next to Star Trek they are probably the most over the top fans ever. B) These same people liked the single player games, and they are in love with Bioware. Because of this they are hyping this as the most amazing thing since legalized prostitution. But it is just another forced story line, really solo play experience and once it launches all the hype will be gone, the numbers won't be that great and all the "This will be the best MMO ever!!!1!!1!!, SW:toR will save MMOs and gamers everywhere!!!1!!" posts will go away and we all get to move on to the next MMO that won't come close to being the next big thing but will be hyped as such.

 

 

This is not the game you're looking for.  It doesn't make any sense why you picked this game to cry about... there are tons of other games that do not give you what you want... this is obviously telling you up front this will not be SWG.. and yet you're here trying to convince the fans of this game that it should be SWG.  We do not agree.  The fans of ToR do not agree that this game should be SWG.. .. the people who hate ToR for whatever reason want it to be SWG.  This doesn't make ToR any worse off then WoW or AION or SWG or Mortal Online.  Each game had its chance.   SWG had its chance with SOE and they flopped it big time.. thats not BioWares fault.. and what they are making is something thats never been seen before in an MMO.     Sorry but sadbox non-linear gameplay and SWG has been seen before....   

If you want to argue about SWG you have your own forum to do so.  If you want to complain to a company that they should be making a SWG-esque MMO, go talk to SOE about their clone wars MMO.  This game has already done better then SWG and its not even out of alpha.  You can project your anger on BioWare, but they aren't to blame for you not having your game....

Originally posted by lethys

TOR will not save MMO's because MMO's aren't in need of saving.  Maybe you aren't a fan of the style MMO's are right now, but that doesn't mean that they need saving.  Millions of people play these games.  Plus, depending on the way the story is executed, it might actually send the MMO genre a few steps back in terms of grouping people together in a social and meaningful experience.

 

I am honestly a lot more put off by a game trying to convince me my actions are going to save the galaxy/world than a game that tries to get me to make blankets because thousands of people will do that same quest that saved the galaxy.  If I have no effect on the world, don't make it seem like I do because if I delete that quest from my log then the Horde or Alliance or Sith or whoever will not cease to exist in a few weeks.

MMO's arent in need of saving? That must have been one big ass rock you just crawled from under.

Originally posted by aleos

 

MMO's arent in need of saving? That must have been one big ass rock you just crawled from under.

They don't need saving, they need some diversity. So far all I've seen that's somewhat original in SWTOR is the VO, well that's hardly groundbreaking as we've had full voice in almost every single player game in the last 5+ years. A step in the right direction perhaps but it's certainly not re-inventing the wheel.

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by aleos

 

MMO's arent in need of saving? That must have been one big ass rock you just crawled from under.

 

They don't need saving, they need some diversity. So far all I've seen that's somewhat original in SWTOR is the VO, well that's hardly groundbreaking as we've had full voice in almost every single player game in the last 5+ years. A step in the right direction perhaps but it's certainly not re-inventing the wheel.

 

I agree its in major need of diversity. We need hardcore games, we need casual games. We need forced grouping games we need solo centric games. That way everone has a game to play.

SW:TOR will save MMOs just like Elvis and MJ are not dead, they live on Mars and are coming out with a duet this fall.

It`s called "Marsonian girl", available on ITunes soon.

In other news:

I cant help it that TOR smells like fail so far.

I choose to be sceptical until proven wrong.

My vast MMO experience tought me that.

Some of you can continue to cheer the VOs and other irrelevant non-MMO features though, I dont mind it.

Disagreement doesnt necessitate such vitriol. Grow up and learn how to develop a winning argument and not a bunch of drivel. As far as the topic goes, sure the OP's title and rpemise is a little extreme.. doesnt mean you have to go the extreme opposite. TOR will bring a new perspective to the genre and that is a fact, it has new features that will not be found in any other MMO. There is nothing wrong at all with adding something new to the MMO field of games other than the same grind fest with a new face. That is the point here, there is no need to be childish.

Originally posted by fcazares

Disagreement doesnt necessitate such vitriol. Grow up and learn how to develop a winning argument and not a bunch of drivel. As far as the topic goes, sure the OP's title and rpemise is a little extreme.. doesnt mean you have to go the extreme opposite. TOR will bring a new perspective to the genre and that is a fact, it has new features that will not be found in any other MMO. There is nothing wrong at all with adding something new to the MMO field of games other than the same grind fest with a new face. That is the point here, there is no need to be childish.

No no, they aren't being childish.  These are big strong MMO players... they have "MMO intuitions" and the are tapped into what every other gamer on the planet wants... and they've learned so much as "Every MMO taught me 'this' or 'that'"  

Heres another interesting similarity..... and correct me if I'm wrong... but.... didn't blizzard start out making single player games?  Didn't they create something that looked similar to what was already out?  Didn't they take an IP that was popular with its own crowd and turn it into an MMO?  Didn't everyone on this forum say the same things when it, and every game since had launched?

Its like a crime on this site to ever get excited about anything.   Speaking with the average hater on these forums has had me come to the conclusion that they watch the demos halfheartedly and with a blind eye, make rash generalizations, and conveniently pass over developer information or purposefully dismiss it to validate their point.  

Luckily as the avid forumwarrior that I am, I'll happily point out their inaccuracies daily... I just find it amazing how many there are on this site in comparison to others.

It does seem there are a number of them. Folks who get their jollies off of trying to ruin other peoples fun. It would be nice to see some mature and simply state their dislikes and be done with it instead flat out resorting of flinging poo like monkeys.

Originally posted by fcazares

It does seem there are a number of them. Folks who get their jollies off of trying to ruin other peoples fun. It would be nice to see some mature and simply state their dislikes and be done with it instead flat out resorting of flinging poo like monkeys.

Even a good healthy debate would be a nice change instead of feeling like you're next to the monkey cage.  Some SWG vets can bring valid points to things that can be included in SWTOR if they can get past that TOR won't be the sandbox they want.  I'd love to see TOR have a indepth crafting system like some of them want.  After all someone has to upgrade my armor and blasters (doubt I'll have the option of having crafting for both of those).
 

Originally posted by Benjola

SW:TOR will save MMOs just like Elvis and MJ are not dead, they live on Mars and are coming out with a duet this fall.

It`s called "Marsonian girl", available on ITunes soon.

 

In other news:

I cant help it that TOR smells like fail so far.

I choose to be sceptical until proven wrong.

My vast MMO experience tought me that.

Some of you can continue to cheer the VOs and other irrelevant non-MMO features though, I dont mind it.

a post which I agree with

Originally posted by toddze

I agree its in major need of diversity. We need hardcore games, we need casual games. We need forced grouping games we need solo centric games. That way everone has a game to play.

This post agrees with me.

We don't all want the same game. I think the future is a wide selection of niche games with a variety of settings, playstyles, and levels of difficulty.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by toddze

I agree its in major need of diversity. We need hardcore games, we need casual games. We need forced grouping games we need solo centric games. That way everone has a game to play.

This post agrees with me.

We don't all want the same game. I think the future is a wide selection of niche games with a variety of settings, playstyles, and levels of difficulty.

Which is why there's so many MMOs, it is because we want to pick the perfect game that matches our play time whether we are hardcore or casual. Like FFXI is for the hardcore, while WoW is for casual MMOers.

haha this thread name made me laugh the game itself  barely qualifies and an mmo. Also read a few people stating it will finish what Pre NGE started but this game will be the opposite of a sandbox.......