Originally posted by xaldraxius

Atari is already suffering financially, this could very well crush them, leaving CO, STO and the Neverwinter Nights project that Cryptic is working on dead in the water. Has CO done well enough to keep Atari afloat long enough to weather the storm? Is Turbine's case strong enough to win, or is it really a trumped up suit by Turbine to hit Atari when it's weak and collapse them before they have a chance to release NwNO?

Either way it's interesting, and bad for Atari. I think Cryptic hitched their cart to the wrong horse.

Has the NWN project by cryptic been confirmed?

If so, and it's an MMO as speculated, maybe Turbine is right, maybe Atari left the DDO Unlimited project high and dry because they're banking on NwN MMO.

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Originally posted by Emeraq

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Originally posted by xaldraxius

Atari is already suffering financially, this could very well crush them, leaving CO, STO and the Neverwinter Nights project that Cryptic is working on dead in the water. Has CO done well enough to keep Atari afloat long enough to weather the storm? Is Turbine's case strong enough to win, or is it really a trumped up suit by Turbine to hit Atari when it's weak and collapse them before they have a chance to release NwNO?
Either way it's interesting, and bad for Atari. I think Cryptic hitched their cart to the wrong horse.

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Has the NWN project by cryptic been confirmed?
If so, and it's an MMO as speculated, maybe Turbine is right, maybe Atari left the DDO Unlimited project high and dry because they're banking on NwN MMO.

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It hasn't been confirmed as far as I know, but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that it's true. Neither Atari nor Cryptic has confirmed nor denied the rumor, and we already knew that Cryptic was working on a mysterious third MMO that they weren't willing to talk about before the rumor started. It's pretty hard to keep anything under wraps in this day and age, just look at SW:TOR, everyone knew what Bioware was doing long before the official announcement.

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Originally posted by trancejeremy
I'm not a big fan of Atari (Or Infogrames), but Turbine basically takes really great IP and turns them into bad games.
D&D they tried to turn into a twitch-fest action game, then when it failed, they blamed Atari for all the problems. Maybe they should have tried a more faithful translation of D&D? D&D players might have wanted to play D&D online, not an action RPG.
LOTRO, they did a good job on landscape graphics. But the gameplay suffers from the worst grinding I've ever seen (and I play Korean games).  Slow leveling for one (300 hours and I'm 44th level).  And and top of that, you need to grind for deeds to boost your traits. Kill hundreds of a given sort of monster. Repeat over and over until your trait finally reached 10.
And in Moria, they added several more types of grinding.  Grinding to get your weapon better. Grinding to get your rep up. Raid grinding just to get gear to do more raids.

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I really like this and I want people to read it a second time.

hope Atari burns

Originally posted by Dubhlaith

 

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Originally posted by trancejeremy
I'm not a big fan of Atari (Or Infogrames), but Turbine basically takes really great IP and turns them into bad games.
D&D they tried to turn into a twitch-fest action game, then when it failed, they blamed Atari for all the problems. Maybe they should have tried a more faithful translation of D&D? D&D players might have wanted to play D&D online, not an action RPG.
LOTRO, they did a good job on landscape graphics. But the gameplay suffers from the worst grinding I've ever seen (and I play Korean games).  Slow leveling for one (300 hours and I'm 44th level).  And and top of that, you need to grind for deeds to boost your traits. Kill hundreds of a given sort of monster. Repeat over and over until your trait finally reached 10.
And in Moria, they added several more types of grinding.  Grinding to get your weapon better. Grinding to get your rep up. Raid grinding just to get gear to do more raids.

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I really like this and I want people to read it a second time.

I agree with where you are coming on this, but you gotta realize that is the ESSENCE  of the WoW phenomenon. LOTRO just copied it. There are also tens of thousands of people who like that. I dont and I play LOTRO off and on every other year , get bored move on, but a lot of people love that stuff

Originally posted by trancejeremy

I'm not a big fan of Atari (Or Infogrames), but Turbine basically takes really great IP and turns them into bad games.

D&D they tried to turn into a twitch-fest action game, then when it failed, they blamed Atari for all the problems. Maybe they should have tried a more faithful translation of D&D? D&D players might have wanted to play D&D online, not an action RPG.

LOTRO, they did a good job on landscape graphics. But the gameplay suffers from the worst grinding I've ever seen (and I play Korean games).  Slow leveling for one (300 hours and I'm 44th level).  And and top of that, you need to grind for deeds to boost your traits. Kill hundreds of a given sort of monster. Repeat over and over until your trait finally reached 10.

And in Moria, they added several more types of grinding.  Grinding to get your weapon better. Grinding to get your rep up. Raid grinding just to get gear to do more raids.

And yet, you continue to play. Amazing. :D

I've been seeing ads for DDO all over the place. So who does all those ads that I DO see?

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Originally posted by Bleakmage
I've been seeing ads for DDO all over the place. So who does all those ads that I DO see?

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Originally posted by Bleakmage

I've been seeing ads for DDO all over the place. So who does all those ads that I DO see?

I havent seen any adds for DDO yet (only for D&D 4th edition) but this was posted by Turbines Marketroid concerning adds:

"Those ads are from Turbine, not our friendly neighborhood publishers.

The campaign doesn't start in earnest until 9/9/9 but some sites are testing the units now, and that's what folks saw.

Expect to see many more ads in the coming days as the campaign rolls out."

Awesome :D

Originally posted by Emeraq

Has the NWN project by cryptic been confirmed?

If so, and it's an MMO as speculated, maybe Turbine is right, maybe Atari left the DDO Unlimited project high and dry because they're banking on NwN MMO.

DDO is not the huge success Turbine hoped for. To me it just seems like they are blaming Atari instead of making the game better and more appealing to D&D fans.

NWNO is not confirmed but very likely. I however still think Atari gave DDO what it deserves.

I am not saying that DDO and LOTRO are bad games, they have their points but it is kinda embarasing that the most popular fantasy IPs ever have so few players. Both those games should have 1 millions subs or more but Turbine messed up. The games just didn't attract fans of the original IPs and Turbine should have spent more work to get the fans into the games.

Same thing as with WAR, Mythic just got MMO fans to play it, not Warhammer fans.

Originally posted by Dubhlaith

 

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Originally posted by trancejeremy
I'm not a big fan of Atari (Or Infogrames), but Turbine basically takes really great IP and turns them into bad games.
D&D they tried to turn into a twitch-fest action game, then when it failed, they blamed Atari for all the problems. Maybe they should have tried a more faithful translation of D&D? D&D players might have wanted to play D&D online, not an action RPG.
LOTRO, they did a good job on landscape graphics. But the gameplay suffers from the worst grinding I've ever seen (and I play Korean games).  Slow leveling for one (300 hours and I'm 44th level).  And and top of that, you need to grind for deeds to boost your traits. Kill hundreds of a given sort of monster. Repeat over and over until your trait finally reached 10.
And in Moria, they added several more types of grinding.  Grinding to get your weapon better. Grinding to get your rep up. Raid grinding just to get gear to do more raids.

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I really like this and I want people to read it a second time.

Why should any of us read nonsense a second time?  It is fine to not like DDO or Lotro, but the reasons given are ludicrous at best.  Maybe you should reread it. 

I hope atari gets it, and as to people saying LoTRo takes to long to lvl in I seriously think they have to suck as a gamer. I can solo from one to max level in at most a hundred hours and thats with me doing traits. Weapons level easy as pie, and you don't need traits to get to max level.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Emeraq

Has the NWN project by cryptic been confirmed?

If so, and it's an MMO as speculated, maybe Turbine is right, maybe Atari left the DDO Unlimited project high and dry because they're banking on NwN MMO.

 

I am not saying that DDO and LOTRO are bad games, they have their points but it is kinda embarasing that the most popular fantasy IPs ever have so few players. Both those games should have 1 millions subs or more but Turbine messed up. The games just didn't attract fans of the original IPs and Turbine should have spent more work to get the fans into the games.

I actually enjoy LOTRO, and believe it should have subs than it does... But on  DDO, the setting is Eberron, what did they expect, if I remember right even the PnP community wasn't really that sold on Eberron.

Well stop pre-ordering games backed by crap companies or made by IP destroying developers. Vote with your dollars. Say... isn't Atari backing Champions Online? Hrrm...

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Emeraq

Has the NWN project by cryptic been confirmed?

If so, and it's an MMO as speculated, maybe Turbine is right, maybe Atari left the DDO Unlimited project high and dry because they're banking on NwN MMO.

 

DDO is not the huge success Turbine hoped for. To me it just seems like they are blaming Atari instead of making the game better and more appealing to D&D fans.

NWNO is not confirmed but very likely. I however still think Atari gave DDO what it deserves.

I am not saying that DDO and LOTRO are bad games, they have their points but it is kinda embarasing that the most popular fantasy IPs ever have so few players. Both those games should have 1 millions subs or more but Turbine messed up. The games just didn't attract fans of the original IPs and Turbine should have spent more work to get the fans into the games.

Same thing as with WAR, Mythic just got MMO fans to play it, not Warhammer fans.

You've just pointed out part of the success of WoW. It attracted MMO fans AND Warcraft RTS fans. :D

either way both atari and turbine are screwed by this.  All their dirty laudry is going to be brought up.

Originally posted by trancejeremy

I'm not a big fan of Atari (Or Infogrames), but Turbine basically takes really great IP and turns them into bad games.

D&D they tried to turn into a twitch-fest action game, then when it failed, they blamed Atari for all the problems. Maybe they should have tried a more faithful translation of D&D? D&D players might have wanted to play D&D online, not an action RPG.

LOTRO, they did a good job on landscape graphics. But the gameplay suffers from the worst grinding I've ever seen (and I play Korean games).  Slow leveling for one (300 hours and I'm 44th level).  And and top of that, you need to grind for deeds to boost your traits. Kill hundreds of a given sort of monster. Repeat over and over until your trait finally reached 10.

And in Moria, they added several more types of grinding.  Grinding to get your weapon better. Grinding to get your rep up. Raid grinding just to get gear to do more raids.

Using your logic *as far as LOTRO is concerned) every thing you do in a video game is a grind, with the exception of crafting(which I do alot of) what else are you going to do in a video game other than kill things? I've played a few Korean games and buddy if you think LOTRO has the worst grind you are either not really playing Korean grind fests or you just suck at LOTRO because the grind certainly is not worse than any mmo I've spent alot of time playing.  Let's see here how can they compete with a game like COH which gives exp debt everytime you die, and I'd stand to reason from my experience there that any game offering exp debt has a much greater grind than LOTRO which is the only game I can think of that literally offers you a way to keep your characters recieving double exp through the use of destiny points.

Now as for "kill hundreds of a given sort of monster" name me an mmo that does not have some slick way to make you do it, what game doesn't have raids or instances that require you to take massive amounts of time fighting through with a group for one person to get a great weapon at a time.  I take it your complaint is simply the method Turbine uses to do keep players playing different strokes for different folks.  Ultimately you almost sound like one of those types who wants everything and want it now I still don't have a single avatar with a trait full to 10 and that's with 2 level 60's a champ and guardian,55 runekeeper,50 loremaster and a gang of other toons over level 30 and I've only played for two years with about 6-8 months off.  You feel like you are being made to grind to get the traits up well don't worry about them they certainly don't make or break the game.  And again where does it say you have to raid, I have never once raided in a single mmo I've played because again I'm here to have fun not have epeening contests with other players, if you don't find it fun you may feel the way you do but I just have to point out your post seems to embelish a bit much.