Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by trancejeremy

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Swanea

Eh? How do we know how big or small mirkwood will be?  Granted, I don't think it will be that huge, but it's cool that you already know everything about the xpac, combat, the new instances, the book, and the skirmishes before the rest of us.

I would love to hear the details you know, and why that makes the game bad, and not worth buying now.

 

If you post was for me, i dont know much about it. I was asking Trancer if he still played and why as he always is very negative about the game.

 

When did you get so gung ho about the game?  I seemed to recall, you disliked LOTRO too (to a degree), for the same reasons. And indeed, I found your post in the suggestions forum that I remembered.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2783505

My problem with lotro is finding groups. Some of the quest chains are so long that groups fall apart before completing. Im on the last spider sac kill of the last part of a chain in Trollshaws. Ive tried for three days to get a party to go in and kill spiders. Today i found one guy and told him we could two man it (hell in one more level i will be able to solo it) but he said he had bad memories of that quest and didnt want to do it. That did it for me, i cancelled my subscription and uninstalled. Im on at different times of the day and night and find it odd how unpopulated the trollshaws are.

 

So to answer your questions, yes I still play LOTRO. I try to log in and do a few quests, but invariably have to quit playing because I get stuck on a quest that needs a group and I don't have one (nor can I find one). I kill some stuff for a while, then log out frustrated because I love the gameworld, I just don't have anything to do in it except grind.

I blame a lot of the problems with LOTRO on turbine driving away players with poor design decisions. And considering they have close to $300 of my money, of course I follow the game quite well. That's a lot of money to me, and I've gotten very little return on it.

Groups can be hard to find. Ive been back to the game about three weeks and have found that some of the quests can be done with a smaller group and that is a help. The game is a bit top heavy now and Angmar is pretty deserted and from what ive heard it always has been pretty sparse. I cant speak of how the Trollshaws are now as my main is past that area and my alt is too low to go there. I do see lots of people in Moria and have been able to do some group material. After you get to the MIsty Mountain i think you will find grouping a bit easier. Seems there are always people going into Goblin Town to quest and get rep items. I play on Landroval and if you do was well i would be happy to help you get some of the group stuff done, just let me know.

I think you have just ruined his game by not echoing his cries.... :D

DB

It seems kind of like a "half" expansion at half price ($20). I wouldn't mind two of these per year, it surely won't break the bank. Looking forward to SoM!

they should keep with the books updates, and add mirkwood with them (without having to pay) but  they  must have their reasons to do that.

Originally posted by Einherjar_LC

Originally posted by areb

Skirmish system definitely sounds interesting... I think it's a natural progression from the defense instances (the 3 angmar battle instances and the Defense of Lorien) which were awesome.  And the Call to Arms sounds interesting.  But what I'm really curious is how the combat overhaul will work.  I know there are people who find the combat in Lotro slow so maybe they are speeding it up? Maybe there will be fewer auto-attacks, and faster attack animations to accomplish this.  If so I think this is cool.

 

floon commented on the official forums that they aren't really revamping combat as much as they are just trying to smooth it out a bit.

From the sounds of his comments, they are making skills interupt the auto attack and fire off more quickly rather than waiting for the auto attack animation to finish before firing off the skill.  It should make combat feel a little more fast paced.

If that happens, it will be the last nail in lotro's coffin for me...

As for SoM. It seems small to be honest, but I will hold my critism for a while longer. But ill say this; nothing in SoM's shortnotes impressed me.

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Originally posted by kamikkaze
they should keep with the books updates, and add mirkwood with them (without having to pay) but  they  must have their reasons to do that.
 

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Of course they have reasons. The reason is that they cannot afford to. There is a reason they do not release subscription numbers, and it is not one that works in their favour. They do, in fact, alienate players with bad design decisions and bad policy decisions, and this is just another example in a long line.

they just need a good marketing for the game

cause the content itself is good, despite some problems that they try to corret in updates.

and i agree with them (and many other publishers) not releasing the subscriptions numbers...have no reason to do such thing

i pity ppl who plays a game just because lot of other ppl play it. That doesnt mean a particular game is according everyone's taste.

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by trancejeremy

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Swanea

Eh? How do we know how big or small mirkwood will be?  Granted, I don't think it will be that huge, but it's cool that you already know everything about the xpac, combat, the new instances, the book, and the skirmishes before the rest of us.

I would love to hear the details you know, and why that makes the game bad, and not worth buying now.

 

If you post was for me, i dont know much about it. I was asking Trancer if he still played and why as he always is very negative about the game.

 

When did you get so gung ho about the game?  I seemed to recall, you disliked LOTRO too (to a degree), for the same reasons. And indeed, I found your post in the suggestions forum that I remembered.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2783505

My problem with lotro is finding groups. Some of the quest chains are so long that groups fall apart before completing. Im on the last spider sac kill of the last part of a chain in Trollshaws. Ive tried for three days to get a party to go in and kill spiders. Today i found one guy and told him we could two man it (hell in one more level i will be able to solo it) but he said he had bad memories of that quest and didnt want to do it. That did it for me, i cancelled my subscription and uninstalled. Im on at different times of the day and night and find it odd how unpopulated the trollshaws are.

 

So to answer your questions, yes I still play LOTRO. I try to log in and do a few quests, but invariably have to quit playing because I get stuck on a quest that needs a group and I don't have one (nor can I find one). I kill some stuff for a while, then log out frustrated because I love the gameworld, I just don't have anything to do in it except grind.

I blame a lot of the problems with LOTRO on turbine driving away players with poor design decisions. And considering they have close to $300 of my money, of course I follow the game quite well. That's a lot of money to me, and I've gotten very little return on it.

Groups can be hard to find. Ive been back to the game about three weeks and have found that some of the quests can be done with a smaller group and that is a help. The game is a bit top heavy now and Angmar is pretty deserted and from what ive heard it always has been pretty sparse. I cant speak of how the Trollshaws are now as my main is past that area and my alt is too low to go there. I do see lots of people in Moria and have been able to do some group material. After you get to the MIsty Mountain i think you will find grouping a bit easier. Seems there are always people going into Goblin Town to quest and get rep items. I play on Landroval and if you do was well i would be happy to help you get some of the group stuff done, just let me know.

I play on Landroval and rarely have trouble finding a group, more specifically a PUG.  Of course it may take some time to organize one, and sometimes you have to take the initiative and start one yourself but it can be done.

As for TJ, I have offered numerous times as have others, to help him out but he never takes anyone up on it.  If he did, he wouldn't be able to make his ridiculous statements.

Angmar was busy after it was released but many people only go there long enough to get the Fem armor now then move on to Forochel.  Angmar is best to attempt during the weekend due to many of the group quests taking a fair amount of time there.

Trollshaws always seems to have a steady flow of players through it whenever I am there.  I just leveled an alt with a kinmate there.  We saw people constantly and had no problem getting groups together for the group stuff there.

Eregion, the area before Moria always seems to be active in my experience as well.

One of the best pieces of advice I can give anyone now playing the game that is having difficulty finding groups is to join the GLFF(global looking for fellowship) channel.  This is the channel nearly everyone uses to find groups.  Reason being is because it is of course global and not regional.  This enables players to move on to another region but keep an eye out for others looking for a quest in a region just finished up.

That being said, I again am on Landroval and if anyone needs any help with anything feel free to look me up(as Einherjar/Mjollinar/Cyrcius) or PM me here and we'll set something up.   I have characters from max level on down and I'm always will to give players a hand as is anyone in my kinship.

I don't take up anyone's (alleged) offer because I don't want someone to come hold my hand while I do a quest.  I don't especially enjoy doing quests that someone has done already and knows how to do it

I've done, that's not a lot of fun, either.  That's how I did 1.11 and Great Barrows. Wasn't a lot of fun being ordered around, being told what to do and whot not to do, where to go, where not to go.

The only thing left in this game I enjoy is the exploration factor, and I don't want that robbed, too.

Originally posted by trancejeremy

I don't take up anyone's (alleged) offer because I don't want someone to come hold my hand while I do a quest.  I don't especially enjoy doing quests that someone has done already and knows how to do it

I've done, that's not a lot of fun, either.  That's how I did 1.11 and Great Barrows. Wasn't a lot of fun being ordered around, being told what to do and whot not to do, where to go, where not to go.

The only thing left in this game I enjoy is the exploration factor, and I don't want that robbed, too.

 

Here's a post were I offer to make you some hope tokens because you were complaining about the death penalty being "pretty big"...  http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?p=3978666#post3978666.......So much for alleged....anyways.....

Trance you can't have it both ways.  You weren't in the game from launch so most people are going to have experienced a good part of the content before you.  While there are new players coming in, this isn't launch so they are going to be rather hard to discern over people playing alts.  Your difficulty finding groups has nothing to do with the game at all, but rather your own self imposed grouping guidelines.  That's not the fault of the game.

Secondly, I wasn't offering to hold your hand.  I was simply offering to help.  I can play dumb as they come(except for playing my class) so you feel like you're doing the area the first time.  Don't assume everyone is like the groups you experienced 1.1.11 and the Great Barrows with.  Many of us love the game for the world that it is and have no desire to blow through it or rob someone else of their experiences in it.

Never the less, good luck in your adventures.

Originally posted by BesCirga

Originally posted by Einherjar_LC

Originally posted by areb

Skirmish system definitely sounds interesting... I think it's a natural progression from the defense instances (the 3 angmar battle instances and the Defense of Lorien) which were awesome.  And the Call to Arms sounds interesting.  But what I'm really curious is how the combat overhaul will work.  I know there are people who find the combat in Lotro slow so maybe they are speeding it up? Maybe there will be fewer auto-attacks, and faster attack animations to accomplish this.  If so I think this is cool.

 

floon commented on the official forums that they aren't really revamping combat as much as they are just trying to smooth it out a bit.

From the sounds of his comments, they are making skills interupt the auto attack and fire off more quickly rather than waiting for the auto attack animation to finish before firing off the skill.  It should make combat feel a little more fast paced.

 

If that happens, it will be the last nail in lotro's coffin for me...

As for SoM. It seems small to be honest, but I will hold my critism for a while longer. But ill say this; nothing in SoM's shortnotes impressed me.

I missed this post earlier.

Why would it be the last nail? 

If you interpret that as moving to twitch based combat, I would agree wholly that would be a bad move and a possible killer for me as well.  I don't think they are looking to make it twitch based combat, just smooth out some of the more clunky movements in relation to the skills and auto attack interaction.

That to me would is a good thing.

The expansion will only cost 19.99.  My view is biased by being a lifer (I pay zero per month these days), but to me that seems like about the right price for the features they have announced.

Originally posted by Papadam

Maybe it will be a "Pay what you want" thing like Radioheads album and now the new Championship manager game. Turbine is known for innovative pricings! As a lifetimer who have been playing free for over a year I dont mind paying some extra.

Remember where you read it first ;)

The expansion sounds awesome to me!

As a lifetimer i can also say i am more than willing to fork out $60 (damn Australian currency) for this, however...my highest character is only 35 so i don't see a need for it just yet (it all seems like higher level content to me).  Tbh this expansion seems like something they are putting together while they grind away at making Rohan so for me it's an indication that Rohan is at least a year or two away.  Lore wise the expansion makes perfect sense...

Twitch based combat would be weird for the game.  I could see a MUCH more reactive combat system.  Instead of when I cast an anthem as a mini, waiting 3 seconds after the cast to be able to cast again.

Or if I cancel a cast, having to wait a second or two to begin casting again.

We shall see soon with more details I am sure.

Originally posted by Einherjar_LC

Originally posted by BesCirga

Originally posted by Einherjar_LC

 floon commented on the official forums that they aren't really revamping combat as much as they are just trying to smooth it out a bit.

From the sounds of his comments, they are making skills interupt the auto attack and fire off more quickly rather than waiting for the auto attack animation to finish before firing off the skill.  It should make combat feel a little more fast paced.

 If that happens, it will be the last nail in lotro's coffin for me...

As for SoM. It seems small to be honest, but I will hold my critism for a while longer. But ill say this; nothing in SoM's shortnotes impressed me.

 I missed this post earlier.

 Why would it be the last nail? 

 If you interpret that as moving to twitch based combat, I would agree wholly that would be a bad move and a possible killer for me as well.  I don't think they are looking to make it twitch based combat, just smooth out some of the more clunky movements in relation to the skills and auto attack interaction.

 That to me would is a good thing.

No, I interpret it as you wrote it. Interuptions of auto-attacks, or any attack for that matter, are not what I would call a smooth combat system. Stopping attacks mid-air just seems clunky and un-natural for me, and it becomes a much more mindless button mashing than timing and planning your attacks. Lotro's combat has a nice flow and with its current system stays pretty close to a old RPG turn based combat system. 

Originally posted by Death1942

Originally posted by Papadam

Maybe it will be a "Pay what you want" thing like Radioheads album and now the new Championship manager game. Turbine is known for innovative pricings! As a lifetimer who have been playing free for over a year I dont mind paying some extra.

Remember where you read it first ;)

The expansion sounds awesome to me!

 

As a lifetimer i can also say i am more than willing to fork out $60 (damn Australian currency) for this, however...my highest character is only 35 so i don't see a need for it just yet (it all seems like higher level content to me).  Tbh this expansion seems like something they are putting together while they grind away at making Rohan so for me it's an indication that Rohan is at least a year or two away.  Lore wise the expansion makes perfect sense...

Nah we will get rohan in the spring imo. This is just a small step to keep people around and begin the transtion to Rohan.

don't usually respond to any threads here but decided I would for this one. my understanding of what the devs are planning is to release SoM now (since they promised an expansion be next year when they release MoM) and give volume 3 in a free content, to me I see this as the tubine over promised and went oh shit we don't have an expansion. so lets give them what we have, but you know what? I don't overly care I've got two guys level cap so still more to level I've only gotten one peice of DN armour (some in my kin are at full sets but thats their problem lol) bosses start at level 61 and go to 64 and you need rad so its not going to be really out leveled plus first ages coins (wondering if their going to have better armour besides the dol guldur raid), so you've got tons to do and you'll continue getting free content and good costumer service, now before you label me a fanboy lol I'm not saying that this expansion is huge or turbine is perfect, far from it, but they do listen to what people are saying, they've kept MMOs up for 11 years. that means they have to put stuff people want in or they would have gone broke... looking forward to the instance coin drop change so less grinding instances :) and helping gets you rewards which should help PuGs, plus mount changes are great and a new raid, plus the skirmishes if you listen to the PaX interview sounds like they want to make it PvP... but I can continue to hope can't I? :)

well I would love rohan (fav nation in the book) I don't  think their going to do it from rohan its a quick jump to gondor then mordor I think their going to head to Lone Mountain/dale first to prolong rohan lovers sufferings lol

Goneric

Firefoot level 60 minstrel

Originally posted by trancejeremy

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Swanea

Eh? How do we know how big or small mirkwood will be?  Granted, I don't think it will be that huge, but it's cool that you already know everything about the xpac, combat, the new instances, the book, and the skirmishes before the rest of us.

I would love to hear the details you know, and why that makes the game bad, and not worth buying now.

 

If you post was for me, i dont know much about it. I was asking Trancer if he still played and why as he always is very negative about the game.

 

When did you get so gung ho about the game?  I seemed to recall, you disliked LOTRO too (to a degree), for the same reasons. And indeed, I found your post in the suggestions forum that I remembered.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2783505

My problem with lotro is finding groups. Some of the quest chains are so long that groups fall apart before completing. Im on the last spider sac kill of the last part of a chain in Trollshaws. Ive tried for three days to get a party to go in and kill spiders. Today i found one guy and told him we could two man it (hell in one more level i will be able to solo it) but he said he had bad memories of that quest and didnt want to do it. That did it for me, i cancelled my subscription and uninstalled. Im on at different times of the day and night and find it odd how unpopulated the trollshaws are.

 

So to answer your questions, yes I still play LOTRO. I try to log in and do a few quests, but invariably have to quit playing because I get stuck on a quest that needs a group and I don't have one (nor can I find one). I kill some stuff for a while, then log out frustrated because I love the gameworld, I just don't have anything to do in it except grind.

I blame a lot of the problems with LOTRO on turbine driving away players with poor design decisions. And considering they have close to $300 of my money, of course I follow the game quite well. That's a lot of money to me, and I've gotten very little return on it.

It really just sounds like you need a kin, usually my rule of thumb is if i cant seem to find a good kin the first couple of months there is no sense staying

* Answer the Call of War! – Jump into the heat of battle with the new Skirmishes feature. Skirmishes offer endless action in repeatable, randomized instances where players can create and lead customizable soldiers into battle, training them to greater skill as they earn victories against the forces of shadow. Answer the call of war wherever violence erupts with the new “World Join” function that lets players and their fellowships band together to fight in various locations throughout Middle-earth.

That pwns my face, can't wait !

the economy is not so bad that you can't afford an expansion, especially when you have a few months to save for it.  QQ somewhere else ffs

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

 You people are serious? Your actually going to pay money for this expansion? 

 

Sorry if im not jumping to join in with the crowd and say "what a great expansion" because honestly this is the saddest excuse for a payed update I have ever seen in my life.

 

Seriously what are you getting for this? Someone said "New features, content and changes to exsisting systems".

 

Um ok I see one new feature, which just sounds like a solo freindly side grinder for the new 5 levels they added. 

 

Content? I see new missions, that is all. Why not throw in something of value other than just quests? Whatever happened to new hobbies? Or maybe a revamp to the horrible housing system? Or even just something to make the game not just about fighting. 

I remember when this game was originally known as Middle Earth Online, and it was actually going to be good. They had a system where you could write your own books from parchment found in rare dungeons. It was kind of a way to "Pass on your story's to others" like Bilbo did.

Why not something innovative and new like that? Instead you get Skirmish's with NPC "Pets" and some tweaks to combat.

 

I played LOTRO and I actually enjoyed the month or so I spent in game but this is not worth whatever price they are throwing on it.

 

-Jive

I have to agree with some of this.  Lotro has always been a good game, but they need to go back and address some of the weaker aspects of content that is already there.  They created an entire system to plug hobbies into, and what do we have?  Fishing still? The player housing is pathetic.  I've said it before and I will say it again; instanced housing that just hangs off the end of the game somewhere is useless. 

The only way housing is ever going to work is if there is a REASON to go there.  Let people craft and open up shops with vendors in there. If houses must be in an instanced area, make quest lines that go in there so people will have a reason to walk by houses and maybe go shopping there. Make more decoration items instead of the incredibly boring junk we have now.

I like Lotro, don't get me wrong. I played it for quite a while before I got sick of it.  It just blows me away that with a few relatively small tweaks to the game, they could have a nice Theme-park / sandbox hybrid game that would attract a diverse crowd of people. As it is now, they threw some pseudo-sandbox features in and called it a day. Hell, I would go back until something better comes along.