I think the only problem I have with console mmos is they have to be designed with the small amount of buttons the controller has. Also has to take note that console players might not be as willing to put their credit card info down for a game. The lack of harddrive space aswel is something that has to be kept in mind on the 360 and the limits of cosole power when adding new content. My main problem is console games are always designed for action rather than complex tasks or crfating. The Final Fantasy MMO is obviously different because the Japanese developers do their own thing and don't care about appealing to the western audience.

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Originally posted by Varny

I think the only problem I have with console mmos is they have to be designed with the small amount of buttons the controller has. Also has to take note that console players might not be as willing to put their credit card info down for a game. The lack of harddrive space aswel is something that has to be kept in mind on the 360 and the limits of cosole power when adding new content. My main problem is console games are always designed for action rather than complex tasks or crfating. The Final Fantasy MMO is obviously different because the Japanese developers do their own thing and don't care about appealing to the western audience.

 

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At some point MMORPGs WILL be available for consoles. That is just too big a market for MMO makers to ignore. I don't know about the specs for the WII, but the Xbox 360 and PS3 are  really computers when you get down to it. They both have processors,hard drives,memory and high speed internet capability. All they need to complete the picture is a mouse and keyboard, all of which can be hooked up via USB. So why not make them available for consoles?

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Varny

I think the only problem I have with console mmos is they have to be designed with the small amount of buttons the controller has. Also has to take note that console players might not be as willing to put their credit card info down for a game. The lack of harddrive space aswel is something that has to be kept in mind on the 360 and the limits of cosole power when adding new content. My main problem is console games are always designed for action rather than complex tasks or crfating. The Final Fantasy MMO is obviously different because the Japanese developers do their own thing and don't care about appealing to the western audience.

 

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At some point MMORPGs WILL be available for consoles. That is just too big a market for MMO makers to ignore. I don't know about the specs for the WII, but the Xbox 360 and PS3 are  really computers when you get down to it. They both have processors,hard drives,memory and high speed internet capability. All they need to complete the picture is a mouse and keyboard, all of which can be hooked up via USB. So why not make them available for consoles?

The wii is a computer-ish thing as well, but the hard drive is very small in comparison so its doubtful we'll see a large amount of content being loaded on its hard drive.  You can use HCSD cards capable of 8 gigs or more.. but more then likely new MMOs would take up more space then that.

Yes Star Trek will be on both PC and 360. Just like Champions Online.

Atari/Cryptic were able to work out a deal with both games.

Originally posted by DerekGordon

Yes Star Trek will be on both PC and 360. Just like Champions Online.

Atari/Cryptic were able to work out a deal with both games.

Actually from the last interview with Jack Emmert concerning the Xbox version of CO he said they are having some difficulties negotiating a subscription plan with Microsoft over the Xbox version of CO. Jack has stated that they have the Xbox version all ready to ship but MS is standing in their way at the moment. This is a monumental moment in the future of console based MMOs as this move by MS is casting a dark cloud over the future of not only CO and STO for consoles but all future MMOs on consoles. Unless Cryptic and Microsoft can reach an agreement over this there may be no STO for Xbox 360.

The problem lies in the fact that Cryptic wants CO to be available to Xbox 360 Silver members(non-paying) and Microsoft is standing firm that only Gold members(paying) should have access to any multiplayer content on the Xbox Live service. Unless they can work this out there may be no CO or STO on the Xbox 360.

Bren

The problem lies in the fact that Cryptic wants CO to be available to Xbox 360 Silver members(non-paying) and Microsoft is standing firm that only Gold members(paying) should have access to any multiplayer content on the Xbox Live service. Unless they can work this out there may be no CO or STO on the Xbox 360.

 

Bren

To me, this is the biggest bullshit that was ever forced down console owners' throats. Lets imagine that I buy a computer from ASUS and then, aside from my normal internet provider fees, I also have to pay ASUS a fee to use the internet on that computer. Sounds ridiculous doesnt it?

Console manufacturers should die in a fire, alongside everyone stupid enough to fall for their scam.

Originally posted by Brenelael

Originally posted by DerekGordon

Yes Star Trek will be on both PC and 360. Just like Champions Online.

Atari/Cryptic were able to work out a deal with both games.

Actually from the last interview with Jack Emmert concerning the Xbox version of CO he said they are having some difficulties negotiating a subscription plan with Microsoft over the Xbox version of CO. Jack has stated that they have the Xbox version all ready to ship but MS is standing in their way at the moment. This is a monumental moment in the future of console based MMOs as this move by MS is casting a dark cloud over the future of not only CO and STO for consoles but all future MMOs on consoles. Unless Cryptic and Microsoft can reach an agreement over this there may be no STO for Xbox 360.

 

The problem lies in the fact that Cryptic wants CO to be available to Xbox 360 Silver members(non-paying) and Microsoft is standing firm that only Gold members(paying) should have access to any multiplayer content on the Xbox Live service. Unless they can work this out there may be no CO or STO on the Xbox 360.

 

Bren

This is exactly why I didn't buy an Xbox. I KNEW that if I  chose it I would have to deal with Microsoft trying to fleece me for every little thing. It's bad enough I have to pay money every month just play a game. I'll be damned if I am forced to pay an additional charge for the online service.

Personally I believe xbox compatibilty is what ruined AoC and possibly Champions Online as far as the heavy instancing and the general shallowness of the gameplay of both games. From what I've read about STO seems like they may be heading down the same road. Always lots of reasons for the design decisions given but console compatibility has to make a huge impact.

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Varny

I think the only problem I have with console mmos is they have to be designed with the small amount of buttons the controller has. Also has to take note that console players might not be as willing to put their credit card info down for a game. The lack of harddrive space aswel is something that has to be kept in mind on the 360 and the limits of cosole power when adding new content. My main problem is console games are always designed for action rather than complex tasks or crfating. The Final Fantasy MMO is obviously different because the Japanese developers do their own thing and don't care about appealing to the western audience.

 

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How many console games do you purchase a year?
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Which of the following consoles do you own? (Check all that you own)
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PS3
Wii

 

 

 

At some point MMORPGs WILL be available for consoles. That is just too big a market for MMO makers to ignore. I don't know about the specs for the WII, but the Xbox 360 and PS3 are  really computers when you get down to it. They both have processors,hard drives,memory and high speed internet capability. All they need to complete the picture is a mouse and keyboard, all of which can be hooked up via USB. So why not make them available for consoles?

 

The wii is a computer-ish thing as well, but the hard drive is very small in comparison so its doubtful we'll see a large amount of content being loaded on its hard drive.  You can use HCSD cards capable of 8 gigs or more.. but more then likely new MMOs would take up more space then that.

Actually you can get SDHC cards up to 32GB now so having one big enough for a MMO should be no problem. The main problem I would think for the WII as far as MMOs are concerned would be the funky controller.

Bren

I actually got to meet Jack Emmert myself this past week. He gave me the scoop on some features of the game and later on that night I got to test it out myself.

He told me that they are working out the agreement with Microsoft and assured that it will be on the 360 along with champions.

Originally posted by DerekGordon

I actually got to meet Jack Emmert myself this past week. He gave me the scoop on some features of the game and later on that night I got to test it out myself.

He told me that they are working out the agreement with Microsoft and assured that it will be on the 360 along with champions.

That is good to hear. Nice to have a little insider information. Thanks!  

Bren

Originally posted by Toquio3

The problem lies in the fact that Cryptic wants CO to be available to Xbox 360 Silver members(non-paying) and Microsoft is standing firm that only Gold members(paying) should have access to any multiplayer content on the Xbox Live service. Unless they can work this out there may be no CO or STO on the Xbox 360. 

Bren

To me, this is the biggest bullshit that was ever forced down console owners' throats. Lets imagine that I buy a computer from ASUS and then, aside from my normal internet provider fees, I also have to pay ASUS a fee to use the internet on that computer. Sounds ridiculous doesnt it?

Console manufacturers should die in a fire, alongside everyone stupid enough to fall for their scam.

Agreed.

If CO or STO comes out on any console I won't be playing it or any other games made by Cryptic ever again.

Originally posted by Brenelael

Originally posted by DerekGordon

I actually got to meet Jack Emmert myself this past week. He gave me the scoop on some features of the game and later on that night I got to test it out myself.

He told me that they are working out the agreement with Microsoft and assured that it will be on the 360 along with champions.

That is good to hear. Nice to have a little insider information. Thanks!  

 

Bren

What about the PS3? I don't see the Wii jumping into MMOs because that system is more family oriented. I can't knock them for going that route considering the fact they are blowing away the competition.I would think Sony and Microsoft would try and do everything they could to gain a piece of this market to try and close the gap with Nintendo.

How should i put this politely.  Console players and games have a tendency to be uncomplicated shall we say, so this is potentially the most disappointing piece of info on sto so far for me

It begs the question is this a pc game that has had a console port or has it been designed with cross platform status in mind?

So is this piece of information irrelevant or have cryptic just opened the floodgates and let the idiots in so to speak?

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Brenelael

Originally posted by DerekGordon

I actually got to meet Jack Emmert myself this past week. He gave me the scoop on some features of the game and later on that night I got to test it out myself.

He told me that they are working out the agreement with Microsoft and assured that it will be on the 360 along with champions.

That is good to hear. Nice to have a little insider information. Thanks!  

 

Bren

 

What about the PS3? I don't see the Wii jumping into MMOs because that system is more family oriented. I can't knock them for going that route considering the fact they are blowing away the competition.I would think Sony and Microsoft would try and do everything they could to gain a piece of this market to try and close the gap with Nintendo.

Well the major stumbling block for most developers as far as the PS3 is concerned is their programming code. The Xbox 360 uses a version of Visual C/C# so it's fairly easy for them to port a PC game to the 360. The PS3 uses a totally proprietary code which means in order for a developer to port to the PS3 the game almost has to be recoded from scratch. Some developers are more than willing to do this as it means more of a market share for their games but a lot just don't think there would be enough return for the amount of effort it would take to port a game to the PS3. Hopefully Sony will rectify this situation with their next generation of consoles. This is one of the major reasons I picked the 360 over the PS3. The ease of development for the 360 is one of the major reasons the MS console has such great vendor support.

Bren

Originally posted by Karahandras

How should i put this politely.  Console players and games have a tendency to be uncomplicated shall we say, so this is potentially the most disappointing piece of info on sto so far for me

It begs the question is this a pc game that has had a console port or has it been designed with cross platform status in mind?

So is this piece of information irrelevant or have cryptic just opened the floodgates and let the idiots in so to speak?

I hate to burst your bubble, but keeping it to PC only has not kept the idiots out of MMORPGs.  This website is proof enough of that not to mention the regular group of "I pawned joo" that can be found in every game. I also laugh at this elitist notion that MMORPGS are any more "complicated" than a console game. Both are pretty simple to figure out and all one needs is time to master.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Karahandras

How should i put this politely.  Console players and games have a tendency to be uncomplicated shall we say, so this is potentially the most disappointing piece of info on sto so far for me

It begs the question is this a pc game that has had a console port or has it been designed with cross platform status in mind?

So is this piece of information irrelevant or have cryptic just opened the floodgates and let the idiots in so to speak?

 

I hate to burst your bubble, but keeping it to PC only has not kept the idiots out of MMORPGs.  This website is proof enough of that not to mention the regular group of "I pawned joo" that can be found in every game. I also laugh at this elitist notion that MMORPGS are any more "complicated" than a console game. Both are pretty simple to figure out and all one needs is time to master.

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but it isn't exactly a big secret that console games are uncomplicated, nor is it that hard to figure out.  Their success is down to the fact that they have uncomplicated gameplay and are marketed as such for people looking for such.  Therefore any game aimed at a console or cross platform version is going to have to be the same sort 'dumbed down kiddie crap' as almost every other mmorpg currently available and not what I was hoping for from a star trek mmorpg hence my asking the questions that I did.

As for the idea that any mmorpg is as easy to figure out as a console game maybe you should stop trying the games with difficulty levels aimed at  8yrs and try some of the few remaining more complex ones or point out to me which console rpg's are the equivalent of eve online?

fyi mmorpgs are already making it onto console with ff and aoc, even swg was aimed at a console port which was probably one of the reasons it was dumbed down in the first place

Originally posted by Karahandras

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Karahandras

How should i put this politely.  Console players and games have a tendency to be uncomplicated shall we say, so this is potentially the most disappointing piece of info on sto so far for me

It begs the question is this a pc game that has had a console port or has it been designed with cross platform status in mind?

So is this piece of information irrelevant or have cryptic just opened the floodgates and let the idiots in so to speak?

 

I hate to burst your bubble, but keeping it to PC only has not kept the idiots out of MMORPGs.  This website is proof enough of that not to mention the regular group of "I pawned joo" that can be found in every game. I also laugh at this elitist notion that MMORPGS are any more "complicated" than a console game. Both are pretty simple to figure out and all one needs is time to master.

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but it isn't exactly a big secret that console games are uncomplicated, nor is it that hard to figure out.  Their success is down to the fact that they have uncomplicated gameplay and are marketed as such for people looking for such.  Therefore any game aimed at a console or cross platform version is going to have to be the same sort 'dumbed down kiddie crap' as almost every other mmorpg currently available and not what I was hoping for from a star trek mmorpg hence my asking the questions that I did.

As for the idea that any mmorpg is as easy to figure out as a console game maybe you should stop trying the games with difficulty levels aimed at  8yrs and try some of the few remaining more complex ones or point out to me which console rpg's are the equivalent of eve online?

fyi mmorpgs are already making it onto console with ff and aoc, even swg was aimed at a console port which was probably one of the reasons it was dumbed down in the first place

Wow... This is about the biggest load of PC elitist bull shit I've seen shoveled on this forum in a while. Do you even own a current generation console? I seriously doubt it because if you did you would know just how silly you sound. Oh and Eve Online? Sure the advancement system is quite complex but the actual game play is so simplistic you can play the whole game with a 2 button mouse without ever laying a hand on your keyboard. Yeah... auto orbit target and blast... now that's complex game play!... LOL

Eve Online would be about the easiest of all the MMOs to port to the Xbox or PS3. The actual in game controls could be very easily mapped to a controller.

Bren

 so this isnt an mmo?

why is this game still in this site then 

shouldnt mmorpg remove this game from this site?

Originally posted by Brenelael

Originally posted by Karahandras

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Karahandras

How should i put this politely.  Console players and games have a tendency to be uncomplicated shall we say, so this is potentially the most disappointing piece of info on sto so far for me

It begs the question is this a pc game that has had a console port or has it been designed with cross platform status in mind?

So is this piece of information irrelevant or have cryptic just opened the floodgates and let the idiots in so to speak?

 

I hate to burst your bubble, but keeping it to PC only has not kept the idiots out of MMORPGs.  This website is proof enough of that not to mention the regular group of "I pawned joo" that can be found in every game. I also laugh at this elitist notion that MMORPGS are any more "complicated" than a console game. Both are pretty simple to figure out and all one needs is time to master.

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but it isn't exactly a big secret that console games are uncomplicated, nor is it that hard to figure out.  Their success is down to the fact that they have uncomplicated gameplay and are marketed as such for people looking for such.  Therefore any game aimed at a console or cross platform version is going to have to be the same sort 'dumbed down kiddie crap' as almost every other mmorpg currently available and not what I was hoping for from a star trek mmorpg hence my asking the questions that I did.

As for the idea that any mmorpg is as easy to figure out as a console game maybe you should stop trying the games with difficulty levels aimed at  8yrs and try some of the few remaining more complex ones or point out to me which console rpg's are the equivalent of eve online?

fyi mmorpgs are already making it onto console with ff and aoc, even swg was aimed at a console port which was probably one of the reasons it was dumbed down in the first place

Wow... This is about the biggest load of PC elitist bull shit I've seen shoveled on this forum in a while. Do you even own a current generation console? I seriously doubt it because if you did you would know just how silly you sound. Oh and Eve Online? Sure the advancement system is quite complex but the actual game play is so simplistic you can play the whole game with a 2 button mouse without ever laying a hand on your keyboard. Yeah... auto orbit target and blast... now that's complex game play!... LOL

Eve Online would be about the easiest of all the MMOs to port to the Xbox or PS3. The actual in game controls could be very easily mapped to a controller.

 

Bren

Lets see, can you figure out from my posts whether or not I own a console?????

I would have thought it was blindingly obvious that I don't.  You do understand that not everyone on the planet has to own a console?  People are allowed not to like the games being made for them.  People are allowed to have a different opinion from yours.  And maybe you could stop shoving your 'console elitist bull shit on this forum'?

Do i own a couple of console to pc ports -  yes

have i played console games on friends consoles - yes

Have i looked up the charts to see what sells on each platform - yes, have you?

It isn't elitist to say that sell on consoles are uncomplicated it's just the way it is. If you have a problem with this i suggest you take it up with whomever is marketing said consoles and games.  May I also suggest you look up the word elitist and see who it applies to here.

As for eve online, I'm pretty certain the complex skill system was one of the reasons I used it as an example.

I also notice you didn't bother with any console equivalents, so am I right in saying they don't exist?

No I'm not, they just don't sell very well. If I look at the current charts the only game even close that I see is elder scrolls and oh, wait, isn't that a pc game given a console port?  You think there may be a reason here as to why ccp hasn't tried to port eve onto console?

Since my  post seems to have been too subtle for you to understand or more likely you didn't bother reading it in the first place, let me spell this out as uncomplicated as i can :

I couldn't give a rats arse what format you play this game on I want to know what game they are making

I am not interested in another generic kids mmorpg and I am allowed not to be!