Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Aganazer

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Toxilium

Thanks for the ragequit story bro. Sounds like you've never played through an MMO release in your entire life. Welcome to the hardships of this genre my friend!

 

As long as people are content to eat garbage, that is all the companies will serve.

 

If all I cared about was a smooth launch I'd buy a console. PC games have a long and proud history of deep and complex games that are buggy and unstable at release. I'll gladly take all these PC games, warts and all, over the simplistic but reliable and accessible console market games.

I'm not saying that stable and bug free are impossible for PC games, but I'll accept the trend since its been that way for over 20 years. I just want a good game to play.

 

I'm just going to point out that CO was developed for use on a console.  I could only imagine the type of rage console gamers would put out on a game like this on launch.  As more and more MMOs are looking forward to console releases, the days of launching buggy non-finished games will quickly come to an end.  CO had every chance to launch this in an un-buggy fashion.  The OB build was stable.. thats what many people based their purchase on.  I can only imagine how I would feel if I was duped by an OB build or even the headstart build and then found out upon launch day that this wasn't the game I played yesterday.

 

You can justify it in your mind that this is an MMO launch and its normal to have problems if you want..   that still doesn't really make it right. . . . especially looking at the big picture... right now Lifetime players that don't know cryptic that well or made their decision based upon CoH has to go on good faith that what cryptic is doing is good for the game.  I can understand some misgivings about it at this point.  Maybe after the first month things will be better.... maybe this ongoing balance issue will span an entire month..... how long is too long before you decide to get your money back?  Obviously 30 days is too long... but how many more days do you need to feel cheated before it makes it okay to get your money back?

A console game even the same game made for both PC and console will never be as good as the PC version. The fact that u use the idiot controller leaves u at a diadvantage (see Shadowrun for proof). we won't even get into technical aspects. So yeah it may be on both platform but if ur playing on a console I feel sorry for ya. Consoles are for simpletons.

I am glad this game isn't doing that well, maybe it will get the idea into developers heads that they need to release an actually finished product as opposed to having to do these sudden and unfair changes.

Originally posted by riceae02

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Aganazer

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Toxilium

Thanks for the ragequit story bro. Sounds like you've never played through an MMO release in your entire life. Welcome to the hardships of this genre my friend!

 

As long as people are content to eat garbage, that is all the companies will serve.

 

If all I cared about was a smooth launch I'd buy a console. PC games have a long and proud history of deep and complex games that are buggy and unstable at release. I'll gladly take all these PC games, warts and all, over the simplistic but reliable and accessible console market games.

I'm not saying that stable and bug free are impossible for PC games, but I'll accept the trend since its been that way for over 20 years. I just want a good game to play.

 

I'm just going to point out that CO was developed for use on a console.  I could only imagine the type of rage console gamers would put out on a game like this on launch.  As more and more MMOs are looking forward to console releases, the days of launching buggy non-finished games will quickly come to an end.  CO had every chance to launch this in an un-buggy fashion.  The OB build was stable.. thats what many people based their purchase on.  I can only imagine how I would feel if I was duped by an OB build or even the headstart build and then found out upon launch day that this wasn't the game I played yesterday.

 

You can justify it in your mind that this is an MMO launch and its normal to have problems if you want..   that still doesn't really make it right. . . . especially looking at the big picture... right now Lifetime players that don't know cryptic that well or made their decision based upon CoH has to go on good faith that what cryptic is doing is good for the game.  I can understand some misgivings about it at this point.  Maybe after the first month things will be better.... maybe this ongoing balance issue will span an entire month..... how long is too long before you decide to get your money back?  Obviously 30 days is too long... but how many more days do you need to feel cheated before it makes it okay to get your money back?

 

A console game even the same game made for both PC and console will never be as good as the PC version. The fact that u use the idiot controller leaves u at a diadvantage (see Shadowrun for proof). we won't even get into technical aspects. So yeah it may be on both platform but if ur playing on a console I feel sorry for ya. Consoles are for simpletons.

Thats what everyone keeps saying but that isn't true.  Thats what PC players tell themselves to make them feel better.  I own all 3 consoles and a pretty decent gaming computer.  I'm a gamer... I play on all platforms.   A game like champions isn't going to change drastically from the PC version to the console version.  I know, I played all through CB with the controller.

Anyone who's played with the controller will tell you... the CONTROLLER gives you the advantage... not the PCs Keyboard.  Maybe for a FPS you would be correct saying that you have better accuracy with a mouse.  Maybe for an RTS you have better control over large expanses.  For RPGs you really don't have any advantages... especially in champions.   

The only thing that you can't do with a controller that you can on a keyboard?  Chat.  Not a very big deal nowadays when you can pretty much conference in a vast majority of friends on any various type of network... even on consoles.   . . . so lets move past the "Consoles are for idiots" excuse.

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by riceae02

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Aganazer

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Toxilium

Thanks for the ragequit story bro. Sounds like you've never played through an MMO release in your entire life. Welcome to the hardships of this genre my friend!

 

As long as people are content to eat garbage, that is all the companies will serve.

 

If all I cared about was a smooth launch I'd buy a console. PC games have a long and proud history of deep and complex games that are buggy and unstable at release. I'll gladly take all these PC games, warts and all, over the simplistic but reliable and accessible console market games.

I'm not saying that stable and bug free are impossible for PC games, but I'll accept the trend since its been that way for over 20 years. I just want a good game to play.

 

I'm just going to point out that CO was developed for use on a console.  I could only imagine the type of rage console gamers would put out on a game like this on launch.  As more and more MMOs are looking forward to console releases, the days of launching buggy non-finished games will quickly come to an end.  CO had every chance to launch this in an un-buggy fashion.  The OB build was stable.. thats what many people based their purchase on.  I can only imagine how I would feel if I was duped by an OB build or even the headstart build and then found out upon launch day that this wasn't the game I played yesterday.

 

You can justify it in your mind that this is an MMO launch and its normal to have problems if you want..   that still doesn't really make it right. . . . especially looking at the big picture... right now Lifetime players that don't know cryptic that well or made their decision based upon CoH has to go on good faith that what cryptic is doing is good for the game.  I can understand some misgivings about it at this point.  Maybe after the first month things will be better.... maybe this ongoing balance issue will span an entire month..... how long is too long before you decide to get your money back?  Obviously 30 days is too long... but how many more days do you need to feel cheated before it makes it okay to get your money back?

 

A console game even the same game made for both PC and console will never be as good as the PC version. The fact that u use the idiot controller leaves u at a diadvantage (see Shadowrun for proof). we won't even get into technical aspects. So yeah it may be on both platform but if ur playing on a console I feel sorry for ya. Consoles are for simpletons.

 

Thats what everyone keeps saying but that isn't true.  Thats what PC players tell themselves to make them feel better.  I own all 3 consoles and a pretty decent gaming computer.  I'm a gamer... I play on all platforms.   A game like champions isn't going to change drastically from the PC version to the console version.  I know, I played all through CB with the controller.

Anyone who's played with the controller will tell you... the CONTROLLER gives you the advantage... not the PCs Keyboard.  Maybe for a FPS you would be correct saying that you have better accuracy with a mouse.  Maybe for an RTS you have better control over large expanses.  For RPGs you really don't have any advantages... especially in champions.   

 

The only thing that you can't do with a controller that you can on a keyboard?  Chat.  Not a very big deal nowadays when you can pretty much conference in a vast majority of friends on any various type of network... even on consoles.   . . . so lets move past the "Consoles are for idiots" excuse.

Cool I challenge u in game ... Look me up I am "Brawl" in game, however since the console is not out yet I guess we will have to wait till it arrives to see. I am LT so I'll be there and I'll wait till u get to my lvl.

Originally posted by Sorrow

Well I defend the game both here and on the champions site for the past week.

However after trying to log in again today with zero luck I feel I need to reassess my position.

I called and canceled my lifetime not based on the patch at all but on my inability to play the game I have payed for.

First I asked for some form of incentive to keep my lifetime and the girl kinda laughed and asked me what I would suggest.

Then i was like whatever just refund the lifetime and she was like we don't offer a refund because it is a lifetime and you are

still in the first 30 free days. Im like think about what you just said, Im a lifetime the first 30 days do nothing for me.

She is like Im sorry I was like well Im living up to my end of our contract I paid for your service, you are not living up to your

end of the contract as for the last 5 times I tried to log in to play the game has crashed, been down, or been unstable.

She tried one more time with the well its just launch it will get better, my response was it was perfect in beta, zero issues

and was playable all the time. At this point I was like well Ill just call my bank and cancel payment and she was like no no

you don't need to do that we can refund it anytime during the first 30 days,  so you could wait a bit see if it gets better.

I was like no just cancel it and maybe I will come back at a later time if you reoffer the lifetime deal once you have the

game actually playable. She sighed and apologized I wished her luck and she is like thanks we need it its very hectic here.

Anyway another fan bites the dust even though I really do hope they get it fixed I really did enjoy it in beta.

Personally, I am getting a little sick of this post. In blind faith you signed up for a lifetime account...Then a little turbulence hits and you are following the sheep the the "I'm checking out" isle. No, I have not played this game, and yes I am considering it, but this spoiled brat bullshit over a patch, and a few hours down is pathetic. You bought a LIFETIME account, and in two days you are calling your credit card company? Sounds to me like you latched onto something you though would be lifetime uber. It also seems you had no intention of sticking around in the first place.

Note to developers, stop asking brats for lifetime accounts, 75% will do nothing but reverse charges.

Originally posted by riceae02

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by riceae02

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Aganazer

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Toxilium

Thanks for the ragequit story bro. Sounds like you've never played through an MMO release in your entire life. Welcome to the hardships of this genre my friend!

 

As long as people are content to eat garbage, that is all the companies will serve.

 

If all I cared about was a smooth launch I'd buy a console. PC games have a long and proud history of deep and complex games that are buggy and unstable at release. I'll gladly take all these PC games, warts and all, over the simplistic but reliable and accessible console market games.

I'm not saying that stable and bug free are impossible for PC games, but I'll accept the trend since its been that way for over 20 years. I just want a good game to play.

 

I'm just going to point out that CO was developed for use on a console.  I could only imagine the type of rage console gamers would put out on a game like this on launch.  As more and more MMOs are looking forward to console releases, the days of launching buggy non-finished games will quickly come to an end.  CO had every chance to launch this in an un-buggy fashion.  The OB build was stable.. thats what many people based their purchase on.  I can only imagine how I would feel if I was duped by an OB build or even the headstart build and then found out upon launch day that this wasn't the game I played yesterday.

 

You can justify it in your mind that this is an MMO launch and its normal to have problems if you want..   that still doesn't really make it right. . . . especially looking at the big picture... right now Lifetime players that don't know cryptic that well or made their decision based upon CoH has to go on good faith that what cryptic is doing is good for the game.  I can understand some misgivings about it at this point.  Maybe after the first month things will be better.... maybe this ongoing balance issue will span an entire month..... how long is too long before you decide to get your money back?  Obviously 30 days is too long... but how many more days do you need to feel cheated before it makes it okay to get your money back?

 

A console game even the same game made for both PC and console will never be as good as the PC version. The fact that u use the idiot controller leaves u at a diadvantage (see Shadowrun for proof). we won't even get into technical aspects. So yeah it may be on both platform but if ur playing on a console I feel sorry for ya. Consoles are for simpletons.

 

Thats what everyone keeps saying but that isn't true.  Thats what PC players tell themselves to make them feel better.  I own all 3 consoles and a pretty decent gaming computer.  I'm a gamer... I play on all platforms.   A game like champions isn't going to change drastically from the PC version to the console version.  I know, I played all through CB with the controller.

Anyone who's played with the controller will tell you... the CONTROLLER gives you the advantage... not the PCs Keyboard.  Maybe for a FPS you would be correct saying that you have better accuracy with a mouse.  Maybe for an RTS you have better control over large expanses.  For RPGs you really don't have any advantages... especially in champions.   

 

The only thing that you can't do with a controller that you can on a keyboard?  Chat.  Not a very big deal nowadays when you can pretty much conference in a vast majority of friends on any various type of network... even on consoles.   . . . so lets move past the "Consoles are for idiots" excuse.

 

Cool I challenge u in game ... Look me up I am "Brawl" in game, however since the console is not out yet I guess we will have to wait till it arrives to see. I am LT so I'll be there and I'll wait till u get to my lvl.

 

I didn't buy the game at launch, I've already played all the content in CB so I'm waiting a few months to see if they added the content.  If you don't believe me that the controller is better go to the champions forum and ask around if the keyboard or the controller is better.. its no secret they'll tell you the game is much more fun with the controller.   I'm sure Aganazer would tell you this as well as he's been a major player on the CO boards as well as these.. there have been many threads about the use of the controller in CO and how well done it is.   

BUT when I do get in game, I'll happily look you up if you're still around in a couple months (or whenever they release new content).  Hopefully they won't change up the game so much that all my "special" builds will still work.

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Originally posted by Sorrow
LOL played EQ for 10 years, WoW off and on for 6 years, EVE for 6 years...
Actual cost
EQ  $170 x 10 = $1700 
WoW $15 X 72 = $1080
EVE $15 X 72 = $1080
Lotro for three years with a lifetime $200 : )
 
The math is real simple just wish more games offered lifetimes.

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Out of curiosity, how have you played WoW for 6 years?

You buy a lifetime sub and then cancel it because the server is down one day? Have you not got a long life-expectancy or something?

Originally posted by Sorrow

Well I defend the game both here and on the champions site for the past week.

However after trying to log in again today with zero luck I feel I need to reassess my position.

I called and canceled my lifetime not based on the patch at all but on my inability to play the game I have payed for.

First I asked for some form of incentive to keep my lifetime and the girl kinda laughed and asked me what I would suggest.

Then i was like whatever just refund the lifetime and she was like we don't offer a refund because it is a lifetime and you are

still in the first 30 free days. Im like think about what you just said, Im a lifetime the first 30 days do nothing for me.

She is like Im sorry I was like well Im living up to my end of our contract I paid for your service, you are not living up to your

end of the contract as for the last 5 times I tried to log in to play the game has crashed, been down, or been unstable.

She tried one more time with the well its just launch it will get better, my response was it was perfect in beta, zero issues

and was playable all the time. At this point I was like well Ill just call my bank and cancel payment and she was like no no

you don't need to do that we can refund it anytime during the first 30 days,  so you could wait a bit see if it gets better.

I was like no just cancel it and maybe I will come back at a later time if you reoffer the lifetime deal once you have the

game actually playable. She sighed and apologized I wished her luck and she is like thanks we need it its very hectic here.

Anyway another fan bites the dust even though I really do hope they get it fixed I really did enjoy it in beta.

basicly its a pr who will do anything to make you wait just so long as the legal trash gets out of the way then it (sorry ,see ya suckers)makes me laugh when company act like that ,but then its probably just her .i bet her employer wouldnt like to ear the way she acted (bha maybe not)

I never buy lifetime subs because generally I'm sick of a game within one to three months. It's for the best that you canceled, even though you seem like you play games for a long time. If I take your comments at face value that is, which is what I'll do as I'm not going to speculate or call you a troll.

CO is a fun game for a while, but it doesn't have a lot of long term appeal in my opinion.

I think in the end you're going to be the one crying when you finish raging and realise you can't get your lifetime back.  On a seperate note, anyone else notice the Desert crisis is a lot shorter than the Canada one?  The end is more insteresting, but it was definitely shorter.  Ah well I'll know next time to do them both to the final mission before tunneling out ;)  Trying a STR/END toon next I think, STR/EGO not really working out.

Originally posted by lethys

I am glad this game isn't doing that well, maybe it will get the idea into developers heads that they need to release an actually finished product as opposed to having to do these sudden and unfair changes.

What gave you the idea it wasn't doing well?  The sellout on lifetime and 6 month subs?  CO is alive and well, the vocal minority in CO like everywhere else doesn't really represent the masses.  I actually like the defense changes, retcon is a little expensive though for now.  But then in CoX on my first toon I thought enhancements were expensive but by the time I had capped out my alts never had any trouble buying anything... ever.  Expect CO to be the same, your first main will struggle but then their alts will be swimming in coin... just like every other MMO known to man.

Originally posted by Solude

I think in the end you're going to be the one crying when you finish raging and realise you can't get your lifetime back.  On a seperate note, anyone else notice the Desert crisis is a lot shorter than the Canada one?  The end is more insteresting, but it was definitely shorter.  Ah well I'll know next time to do them both to the final mission before tunneling out ;)  Trying a STR/END toon next I think, STR/EGO not really working out.

I alternate my toons through crisis zones to keep it a little fresh. Sent the first one through Canada, second through Desert, 3rd to Canada, etc.

Originally posted by Solude

I think in the end you're going to be the one crying when you finish raging and realise you can't get your lifetime back.  On a seperate note, anyone else notice the Desert crisis is a lot shorter than the Canada one?  The end is more insteresting, but it was definitely shorter.  Ah well I'll know next time to do them both to the final mission before tunneling out ;)  Trying a STR/END toon next I think, STR/EGO not really working out.

I agree with you Solude, and to provide some evidence to the OP  to rethink knee jerk reactions please see this post from this morning.

http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?t=53646

Cryptic extended us subscribers a free day for the outage.

Whats up with all these whiny little bitches these days? Something goes wrong for a day and they already rage quit.

Are you gonna cancel your sub because you have to patch the game? I mean technically you can't play while its patching either.

Suck it up for fuck sake.... People like you make me sick, thats why you always think about what you are getting into before throwing that much cash around.

Its an mmo , there could be problems, bugs, crashes if you haven't thought of that before you spent your $$$ then you sir are an idiot.

So you raged quit after 5 days? good for you. Bloody spoiled kids these days. No patience at all.

lol...you can't be serious.....all i can say is idiot and why waste my time telling me this.....if your gonna cancel a lifetime membership after only 4 days of release....if that is even true, lol lol lol lol lol lol your a joke.

i am glad then, because then i don't have to play with people like you, lol.

you got no heart FOR THE GAME.....  ITS THAT SIMPLE

Originally posted by dougmysticey

Originally posted by Solude

I think in the end you're going to be the one crying when you finish raging and realise you can't get your lifetime back.  On a seperate note, anyone else notice the Desert crisis is a lot shorter than the Canada one?  The end is more insteresting, but it was definitely shorter.  Ah well I'll know next time to do them both to the final mission before tunneling out ;)  Trying a STR/END toon next I think, STR/EGO not really working out.

 

I agree with you Solude, and to provide some evidence to the OP  to rethink knee jerk reactions please see this post from this morning.

http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?t=53646

Cryptic extended us subscribers a free day for the outage.

 

Cryptic will always try to make ammends..  thats what they do.. everytime the screw things up they'll try and fix it to try and make the cracks not show.

Again, the OP had every right to do what he did.... if it wasn't after 5 days, maybe it would be after 10, or 20 for some other people.  Truth be told if I was playing this game every day, or every other day for that matter, I would go through the content in well under a month.    With new content added every 3 months, I really would only see myself resubbing once ever 3  or 4 months out of a year.. if that.   

Personally I don't really feel its the OPs fault, it really is cryptics fault.  The OP isn't the only person that got their money back and I bet you he won't be the last as more and more lifers play the game throughout the month.

And as for "the game is doing well because they sold out of lifetime subs"   Since the lifetime subs were originally "limited"  what was the limit?  1000?   10,000?  Even if the limit was 20,000 subs, thats still a very small portion of the population.  Theres no way of knowing how many people own lifetime subs.  

Overall I hope the game does well... but it wouldn't surprise me to see it do below par.

Yes because first 5 days is the best time to judge any MMO right? you people are f***** hilarious.

Originally posted by Getalife

Yes because first 5 days is the best time to judge any MMO right? you people are f***** hilarious.

I've been in CB for a pretty long time, was in OB all the way through, I saw the game go through many different changes,  nothing says the game wasn't ready to launch better then flopping the first week.  People are still trying to tell us its okay to flop a launch on the first week for an MMO....  I say they're just defending their purchase.  Anyone with 2 eyes can see cryptic has been scrambling to make things right.  All this coming from someone who actually likes the game.. can you believe that?