%100 agreed. GW was the most polished game I have ever played. Arenanet never fails to deliver. Can't wait for GW2!!

People hear F2P and just assume it's not as good.  Some people think having 8 skills in a fight was terrible, even if in other games they use less than that in 99% of situations.  They still enjoy the options to use them at anytime.

As to people that just "KNOW" GW2 is going to be exactly like GW1, and posting, screaming and yelling that it is just that anywhere, yeah...well.  Some people are just like that.

Originally posted by Raizeen

also the game is not *f2p* as some say it is you gotta pay for a cd key retail box whatever so its not realy f2p also the game has had more content and polished then any other game ive ever played that is next to wow also its sold millions of copies so people saying its the worse and it will fail just like gw 1 are stupid/noobs and thats a fact also its the only mmo with true pvp

When talking in terms of F2P vs P2P, initial purchase is ignored and is generally referring to monthly fees. If the intial purchase was taken into concideration, then a lot of F2P games would be considered P2P as well since they have cash items etc which it gets to a point where you almost have to buy them.

sorry, just my AU$0.02

OP wins. Amen

Originally posted by bradkotn

%100 agreed. GW was the most polished game I have ever played. Arenanet never fails to deliver. Can't wait for GW2!!

Halo 2 is more polished.

Elder Scroll Oblivion

Diablo

Just about any other Single Player RPG is more polished. I never need patches for thoses as I do in GW

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by bradkotn

%100 agreed. GW was the most polished game I have ever played. Arenanet never fails to deliver. Can't wait for GW2!!

 

Halo 2 is more polished.

Elder Scroll Oblivion

Diablo

Just about any other Single Player RPG is more polished. I never need patches for thoses as I do in GW

no oblivion still have some WTF crashes.

and i belive he said in MMORPG category.

CHILL DAWG!

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by bradkotn

%100 agreed. GW was the most polished game I have ever played. Arenanet never fails to deliver. Can't wait for GW2!!

 

Halo 2 is more polished.

Elder Scroll Oblivion

Diablo

Just about any other Single Player RPG is more polished. I never need patches for thoses as I do in GW

Wrong. Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion was full of bugs and problems. Hence the patches and numerous mods. GW is the most polished game of its genre.

There is no doubt that Guild wars 2 is my most anticipated game....just slightly over diablo 3.

I dont really know anything about the Dev team for guild wars 2.....but if it is basically the same as the dev team for guild wars 1 I have all the confidence in the world that this game will be stable, beautiful and fun.

Other then blizzard i dont know any company that puts out such solid games as Arena net.

Originally posted by Lydon

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf 

So if I happen to disagree with your "undenyable fact" that ArenaNet is an innovator then I shouldn't post? Every company in existance has people who like it and those who don't, there will never be a unanimous agreeance.

 I also don't think that CCP releasing free expansions is anything amazing but then again I've played AC for a long time and they have had free monthly content updates, over 110 of them.

 

Sure I can agree that it is annoying when someone posts something that's wildly innaccurate about a game. But it will happen and you have to roll with it. Not everyone has the time to read every bit of info spread out over the net on a game that is in beta, not to even mention the amount of time that the information that comes out while in beta turns out to be wrong. So instead of assuming that the person is just an idiot or an a-hole why not post back with a post like "ArenaNet put out information which says...." There's no reason to start a thread dedicated to people adding their posts about how stupid the world is (to be fair I don't think you personally refered to people that way, just all the bandwagoners)
 

 

There's nothing wrong with liking a company or a game. But to decide that it is wrong of someone else to disagree with you about that company is wrong. It is called an opinion for a reason, it can't be right or wrong. It's no different then hating someone because they're of a different religion or a different sexual orientation because in your mind that is just wrong (yes I know there is a difference in severity between this and those examples).

 

Personally I don't care about who likes what game and who hates it. I like to have discussions on these forums and it is becoming harder to do. This isn't just because of the people who only post "it sucks" it is just as much because of people who don't like that others disagree with them and then want them off of "their" boards. There's no reason for either side to be resorting to name calling and personal attacks, or for either side to think that the others shouldn't post.

 

Firstly, your posts are coming across as rather aggressive. There's no need to get aggressive over a simple discussion. We are all intelligent adults (so I hope) capable of a discussion without it having to resort to flaming.

 

But anyway, moving on - considering I wrote the initial post, I feel I am qualified enough to say that you are still not understanding the points I were getting across. What you are complaining about has little to do with the OP.

 

I have stated it twice before, and I'll state it again for the third time - people are allowed to like/dislike games. That is their right. They are also allowed to like/dislike companies and developers as they wish too. However, and this is my first point - many of those comments are based on no fact whatsoever and as a result are unfair. My initial example - the poster who had a lot to say about instances being "fail" clearly has absolutely NO knowledge whatsoever regarding Guild Wars 2. They obviously didn't even bother to read through this site's overview of the game, which would have taken a simple minute or two. Yet somehow that person felt qualified to try to sound smart in delivering their opinion that is based on, well, nothing. It's not about people not having time to read "every bit of info spread out on over the net," it's about them reading anything at all.

 

My second point was that people are unfairly griefing on ArenaNet, not because they dislike them. If someone has a legitimate complaint about them, then by all means they should voice it. This, however, has not been the case and is what I was attempting to address with this thread. Fanboys and trolls alike cannot deny that Guild Wars had a smooth release. It was polished at launch and what the developers promised was delivered. If I didn't like Guild Wars I would still respect ArenaNet for that. That same policy applies to other companies, which is why I mentioned CCP. Eve Online may not be my favourite game, but I respect CCP for what they have done and are doing. That is my key point - the past few major MMO releases have been dreadful, but people feel ArenaNet deserve to be treated as they are being by some despite their excellent launch back in 2005. It is a case of small-mindedness.

 

The reason I created a thread in order to voice this is because you cannot respond to posts in the game's hype section. Replying to everyone seperately via PM would be a lot of unnecessary work.

 

And lastly, I find your last paragraph quite ironic considering you're the one who is getting aggressive in this topic due to people disagreeing with you.

 First off, if you compare my posts to the posts stating people are idiots or morons, or cussing because I disagree I think you will find the difference in aggression level. Sorry you read posts of how your view of others is more bias then their posts and it bothers you and thus you find it aggressive.

You have a lot of love for ArenaNet and you enjoy their products, for that reason you fail to understand how others dislike ArenaNet. And therefore you feel anyone who dislikes ArenaNet is wrong. That isn't the case, as I stated it is purely opinion, both yours and theirs. I personally feel they are mediocre at best and don't deserve the amount of hype you throw their way, but I also acknowledge that as an opinion. That's the part you're not getting, no you haven't proven that everyone should love and respect ArenaNet, and it is still an opinion everyone is entitled to. So people will continue to hate them, just as you love them and nothing is wrong with that. They had a smooth release, so have tons of other basically single player but have multiplayer online option games. And people above me have even posted examples. It isn't some amazing feat that no one has done before.

For every person who says that GW2 will be bad using wrong information there are cases of players saying GW2 will be amazing because of wrong information or pure speculation. It balances out. And unfortunatly to make a big stand against people forming opinions without proper information, well I'm not sure where you live but sadly in the country I live in that is how the government is elected. The majority of votes are cast with wrong or a lack of information, it is just how the world works. But once again it works both ways, people say something sucks due to lack of information, others say the same thing is great with a lack of information.

So if MMORPG.COM is going to decide it's forums have to be all or nothing that is great. They can delete all positive and negative posts that either have no facts to back up the opinion, or wrong facts to back up the opinion.

Or we can accept this as a public open forum and that there will always be cases of both, along with cases of differing opinions, and of course there will be people who hate a company that you so love. But them hating the company is no less right then you loving it.

I liked the color coding though, next time I want some charts and a power point to go along with it for the extra touch.

Edited out everything that was stupid, nothing was left.

Sigh.

My points so far:

1) People are ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR OPINIONS

2) However, some are complaining WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THE GAME WHATSOEVER

3) and others are hating on ArenaNet WITHOUT ANY SPECIFIC REASON

Every single one of your posts has accused me of saying that people are not allowed to have their opinions, when I have stated that fact THREE times very clearly so that you would grasp it. Alas, I expected too much. NOWHERE in my original post did I say people are not allowed to complain.

What I did acknowledge was that: they ARE complaining, many of the complaints are utterly baseless and that considering ArenaNet have run Guild Wars very well - regardless of whether or not people like it - they deserve far more credit that many are giving them in comparison to other MMO companies I mentioned as examples. In other words - the people in question would do well to research a game before cutting their noses off to spite their faces. Where did I state "You, SnarlingWolf, may not have an opinion and if you do it is wrong?" That's right - nowhere.

You're harping on about one vague thing after another that has added absolutely nothing to the thread and has instead resulted in numerous people trying to get the message across to you. Unfortunately it seems like a lost cause. In one final effort to try to get you to fathom the obvious intention behind the thread, I leave you with this: its existence is to acknowledge the issues and encourage people to give the game and ArenaNet a chance, not to simply blindly hate on it.

If the concept still escapes you then that is sad. I'm glad you're the only one who has struggled to grasp it so far.

This is the saddest thing about internet gaming. Even now people are going into the beta of Aion and saying "WoW is better" "WoW never had this many problems upon release" (sorry WoW fans, just using it as an example cause it is most common), and I expect to see the same in GW2. Hell, I am seeing it still now in GW.

The problem isnt that they are uninformed, it is that they dont want to be informed in the first place and take pleasure in griefing and trolling. Also, a lot of it is based around personal opinion, and a lot of people are going to say the game they play and love is the best. Unfortunately, besides finding their IP, going to their house and either keeping them locked up or killing them, there is no way you are going to stop them. Actually, best thing to do is just to ignore them, since replying to them only fuels them.

Personally, I am not interested in WoW, but I wont bash it. Likewise, I love Guild Wars, but I wont go around saying "ZOMG! THIS IS TEH BEST GAME EVA! PLAY OR DIE!" Now if only others could exercise restraint...

Originally posted by Lydon

Sigh.

 

My points so far:

 

1) People are ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR OPINIONS

2) However, some are complaining WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THE GAME WHATSOEVER

3) and others are hating on ArenaNet WITHOUT ANY SPECIFIC REASON

What I did acknowledge was that: they ARE complaining, many of the complaints are utterly baseless and that considering ArenaNet have run Guild Wars very well - regardless of whether or not people like it - they deserve far more credit that many are giving them in comparison to other MMO companies I mentioned as examples. In other words - the people in question would do well to research a game before cutting their noses off to spite their faces.

 You're harping on about one vague thing after another that has added absolutely nothing to the thread and has instead resulted in numerous people trying to get the message across to you. Unfortunately it seems like a lost cause. In one final effort to try to get you to fathom the obvious intention behind the thread, I leave you with this: its existence is to acknowledge the issues and encourage people to give the game and ArenaNet a chance, not to simply blindly hate on it.

I read every post in this thread, and observed your discussion with Snarl......

And all I can think to ask is, why do you care? 

Seriously, who cares about the sites hype pages, can't recall the last time I visited them, and even more importantly is why would I care what some uniformed person wrote about the game. (such as the comment about instances).

I don't own stock in Arenanet, betting you don't either, so again, who cares if anyone besmirches their good name? Its no skin off my back if 10K trolls slam Arenanet, they are big boys and can take care of themselves I'm sure. (by releasing a great GW2 )

I certainly see no point to make a thread like you chose to do.  I guess if it was to get attention and get a bunch of atta boys from your fellow fans, then you succeeded in your goal.

If it was to convince trolls to not be trolls, doubtful you changed any opinions.

I suppose you may have written it because you enjoy the discussion, but then again, that's why trolls and flarmers create their threads (or slam yours) because they enjoy it.

There's a lot of things to be concerned about when it comes to the creation of a new game, but the opinions of the ill-informed are best ignored and not commented on. 

If you do anything else but ignore them, they've achieved their goals.

Maybe its for the best you cannot reply to the hype page, it would just result in flame wars and serve no purpose.

In regards to the OP

I have betaed a lot of MMOs.  And I agree with you almost 100%.  ArenaNet does an excellent job of providing a good quality well built product.  I know a lot of the guild members I play with have rule, "Don't play an MMO till its been out at least 2 years, except for an ArenaNet product."

Originally posted by Kyleran 

I read every post in this thread, and observed your discussion with Snarl......

And all I can think to ask is, why do you care? 

Seriously, who cares about the sites hype pages, can't recall the last time I visited them, and even more importantly is why would I care what some uniformed person wrote about the game. (such as the comment about instances).

I don't own stock in Arenanet, betting you don't either, so again, who cares if anyone besmirches their good name? Its no skin off my back if 10K trolls slam Arenanet, they are big boys and can take care of themselves I'm sure. (by releasing a great GW2 )

I certainly see no point to make a thread like you chose to do.  I guess if it was to get attention and get a bunch of atta boys from your fellow fans, then you succeeded in your goal.

If it was to convince trolls to not be trolls, doubtful you changed any opinions.

I suppose you may have written it because you enjoy the discussion, but then again, that's why trolls and flarmers create their threads (or slam yours) because they enjoy it.

There's a lot of things to be concerned about when it comes to the creation of a new game, but the opinions of the ill-informed are best ignored and not commented on. 

If you do anything else but ignore them, they've achieved their goals.

Maybe its for the best you cannot reply to the hype page, it would just result in flame wars and serve no purpose.  

I started the discussion in order to challenge the views of these so-called "trolls." A misinformed poster is not necessarily a troll, and assuming such would be wrong. The MMO community has not been reduced to fanboys and trolls, though it may seem that way at times.

I, for one, still believe that people are capable of discussion without the need to mindlessly flame. It is those like-minded people that I am targeting. Add to that the fact that basically 4 times the number of people who are browsing these forums at the moment are guests and not members, and there's a possibility that someone may see things from my perspective, do some research into the game and end up receiving a lot of enjoyment from it.

It's not about being right and receiving praise from other fans or some other personal gain, it's about hopefully growing the community by being constructive and attempting to tackle a problem instead of simply sitting back and saying "that's life, too bad." Why do I care? Because anything that takes up or will take up a large amount of time in my life is worthy of of my care.

Hopefully that answers your question.

Originally posted by Saiaxis

This is the saddest thing about internet gaming. Even now people are going into the beta of Aion and saying "WoW is better" "WoW never had this many problems upon release" (sorry WoW fans, just using it as an example cause it is most common), and I expect to see the same in GW2. Hell, I am seeing it still now in GW.

The problem isnt that they are uninformed, it is that they dont want to be informed in the first place and take pleasure in griefing and trolling. Also, a lot of it is based around personal opinion, and a lot of people are going to say the game they play and love is the best. Unfortunately, besides finding their IP, going to their house and either keeping them locked up or killing them, there is no way you are going to stop them. Actually, best thing to do is just to ignore them, since replying to them only fuels them.

 

Personally, I am not interested in WoW, but I wont bash it. Likewise, I love Guild Wars, but I wont go around saying "ZOMG! THIS IS TEH BEST GAME EVA! PLAY OR DIE!" Now if only others could exercise restraint...

This ^

yeah I agree 100%. Ive been reading the topic of people truly acting like they have already played the game.

I honestly believe that Guild Wars 2 will be the mmorpg to rule all mmorpgs.

Originally posted by Saiaxis

This is the saddest thing about internet gaming. Even now people are going into the beta of Aion and saying "WoW is better" "WoW never had this many problems upon release" (sorry WoW fans, just using it as an example cause it is most common), and I expect to see the same in GW2. Hell, I am seeing it still now in GW.

I've been playing Champions Online since beta (different game I know) and the amount of "This wouldn't happen in WoW" or "WoW is better" is shocking. MMO players' reputations must be so low

Originally posted by Saiaxis

This is the saddest thing about internet gaming. Even now people are going into the beta of Aion and saying "WoW is better" "WoW never had this many problems upon release" (sorry WoW fans, just using it as an example cause it is most common), and I expect to see the same in GW2. Hell, I am seeing it still now in GW.

I don't normally post about this kind of thing, since I usually just ignore the issue - because it really isn't one.

Being an old fart gamer, means I have been around a bit, this is nothing new at all, in fact the younger you are the more likely you are to a) troll b) see trolling as a problem.

Simple fact is, that trolls are scared that "their" pass time is under threat, usually its because a guild member or two has left them and their reaction is to attack the game those people have gone to, or threatened to go to. Or its just that they want to be in the cool crowd, but don't want to leave what they know.

Its not unique to MMO gaming, but MMO gaming does seem to lend itself to this kind of behavior.

The point is this, WOW lends itself to a young player base, and also has often been the first MMO some of these people have ever played, so the level of fear for a WOW player is higher than in most.

I too saw a lot of silly trolling during the Open beta of AION recently, usually its mixed with some racism which is useful since you can then report them for that and they loose the right to play.

So chill, don't worry about the silly trollers, they will move on and troll something else, and then they will grow up and go away :-)

Originally posted by osawtell

Originally posted by Saiaxis

This is the saddest thing about internet gaming. Even now people are going into the beta of Aion and saying "WoW is better" "WoW never had this many problems upon release" (sorry WoW fans, just using it as an example cause it is most common), and I expect to see the same in GW2. Hell, I am seeing it still now in GW.

 

I don't normally post about this kind of thing, since I usually just ignore the issue - because it really isn't one.

Being an old fart gamer, means I have been around a bit, this is nothing new at all, in fact the younger you are the more likely you are to a) troll b) see trolling as a problem.

Simple fact is, that trolls are scared that "their" pass time is under threat, usually its because a guild member or two has left them and their reaction is to attack the game those people have gone to, or threatened to go to. Or its just that they want to be in the cool crowd, but don't want to leave what they know.

Its not unique to MMO gaming, but MMO gaming does seem to lend itself to this kind of behavior.

The point is this, WOW lends itself to a young player base, and also has often been the first MMO some of these people have ever played, so the level of fear for a WOW player is higher than in most.

I too saw a lot of silly trolling during the Open beta of AION recently, usually its mixed with some racism which is useful since you can then report them for that and they loose the right to play.

So chill, don't worry about the silly trollers, they will move on and troll something else, and then they will grow up and go away :-)

 

 

As I said, I was only using WoW as an example, but I have seen it come from all sides. But yeah, half the time it is cause they want to be seen as being cool, the other half due to the it being 'cause they can'

Which is cool by me, cause while they are pissing in the corner I am actually off having fun in whatever game I am playing