Originally posted by Elesthor

Originally posted by Leucent

Within 2 CB I discovered it was boring, and would nt hold much entertainment for me. I battled through it and got to Abyss. Anyone saying it s remotely close to as fun as old school DAOC is insane. It was ok but not great IMO.

 

The problem with Aion design is that PvP comes after lvl 20 with rifts and lvl 25 in abyss. Before all you can do is PvE. Sure you can join the FFA arena or duel but thats not an actual replacement for PvP.

The real fun comes from Aions PvP and people who say that it resembles DAOC are talking about the PvP part in the Abyss.

Bingo and as I said I tried it. It is far inferior to DAOC. Like I said it s ok but not great at all.

Originally posted by uidLuc1d

Originally posted by thamighty213

I havent has as much PVP fun since DAOC.

 

Excited yes but left with a empty void that no gaming is fulfilling anything I load up just isnt Aion and gets turned of quite sharply even Aion open beta won;t be Aion as i know the wipes coming so most likely won't be bothering it I just want release to come.

 

Holy crap!

 

You just DESTROYED the English language there.

beats the yanks doing it :)

6 hrs sleep since Friday and far too much alcohol Bank holiday weekends ftw :)

Ok. Guild Wars, good decent mmorpg. The rainy day game if you may. The PvP was rediculously (god i spelled that wrong) butchered by the fact that the combat system was spam this do that. The PvE wasn't much different. Yes Aion doesn't contain the same things that Guild Wars does, then again when GW was released the amount of skills that you have mentioned didn't even exist, or were so OP that they got nerfed within a month. The combat system in GW was constructive in PvP because you couldn't just use all your skills. But in the same measure, thats what failed within it's own combat system. The massive amount of skills also created some failures withing. With their being a good 300-400 skills a class there were always a build out there that was with out a doubt the same because they would fufill the purpose over and over. Rainbow Spikes, IW Spikes, Whammo spikes, MM builds, etc. It alway's seemed like the PvP that wasn't GvG was the same thing over and over again. Now I haven't played Aion to really say if it's better, but imo GW's PvP was never great and was only good if you were in the top guilds. Which is useless. PvP needs to be different within itself. PvP should be spontaeneous (spelled that horribly too). Not similar over and over again. I loved GW's GvG and AB systems they were interesting. But the Hall of w.e it was called was horrible and to protect it is just retarded.

Aion is similar to DaoC. Is it better or the same style done better? I couldn't tell you. I never played DaoC, it was before my time. What I do know is that Aion is suppose to emulate the keep system that DaoC had and make it more useful within a PvE world. Which one's better? I don't know and honestly don't care.

Is the game fun? Not sure, but it does look it. I'm somewhat excited about the game. It looks detailed and very well put.

very excited to play. Been through the last to CB's and loved every minute of it, I mean that sincerely. Looking forward to this weekends OB.  

Originally posted by mortharx

Originally posted by thamighty213  

Originally posted by mortharx

Originally posted by Carnivorous

This game suffers from oversimplified combat system and  non competitive nature. It's just like WoW with an army of fanbois trying to deny it on daily basis.

Ouch that doesn't sound too good! How simplified are we talking about? Is it really on bar with WOW?

 

Combat is very well done with the combo system and a good team get combo's timing right and you can really lay out some pain as a team get them wrong and its still good sustainable DPS but you well get reamed by a good group.

The simple fact one of my skill's can open one of your skill's and vice versa is awesome.

 

That does sound like EQ2 heroic opportunity system.. Didn't like that one bit. Is it similar?

No not at all no silly follow a pattern thing.

Basically a player has certain skill's that can only be used when you or the mob is in a certain state.

Think your typical ranger backstab.

You root I switch round and backstab.

Now Aion has lots of moves like that some require position some require KD some  stun some require the mob being Airbourne others require you being airbourne all of this can come together to great effect on the battlefield when you aren't having to perform a low dmg KD to open up your high damage spike but rather the tank or whatever other class can allowing you to open a higher damage chain.

Put that in the hands of noobgroup 1 and yes they can play and kill things put it in the hands of a experienced group who understand their role and the rest of their groups and you can lay out mass DPS compared to the noobgroup.

Basically theres a hell of a lot more going on combat wise than just button mash to be succesfull and couple that with the added threat area from below or above and PVP is really interesting forthose willing to devote the time to it.

Originally posted by Carnivorous

Yeah sure. The problem is the line between nub and exp grp  is very thin.

Disagree there it is massive IMO having been in noobgroups and exp groups at 40+ Abyss on chinese retail the differnce is chalk and cheese not just with regards to target but also the ability to team chain.

Wall of text is a wall, so I'll respond to the topic and disregard anything else that was written.

No and yes.  As I've said in other posts, Aion is a standard, though solid, MMO with a neat gimmick (flight and gliding).  Much of the "character uniqueness" achieved through mana stones or stigma stones is over hyped and do nothing more than increase certain statistics or give a new attack, respectively.

In truth Aion doesn't bring much of anything new to the table, so I'm not particularly excited about it. On the other hand I don't regret my pre-order; at least not yet.  We'll see.  It's far from a bad MMO.

Originally posted by Carnivorous

Yeah sure. The problem is the line between nub and exp grp  is very thin. It's lovely to read through all those "if played well" type of comments but anyone can master Aion combat in no time. Master and be good at it.

The real interesting part of GW is the skilldeck built up and not the actual combat itself for me at least.

To be honest I dont have experience in GW as I didnt like the whole instanced world idea so I quit very early.

I do believe that GW is a good competitive game, but the fact that you talk about GW like its some Holy Grail of the PvP MMOs is hilarious.

First of all GW is NOT an MMORPG. You can buy the game create a premade  20lvl char buy some skillsets and just PvP. So comparing it to WoW or AIon is like comparing Super Mario Brothers to Super Metroid and say Its a better platformer.

I never reached the Abyss during my CB play, so I've got no idea how the PVP goes, however its this part of the game that most intrigues me. (former DAOC player looking for good RVR)

I'm so tired of endless PVE leveliing in games, and when my son and I played ROM earlier this year we found we really enjoyed the occasional red player that would pop out and engage us.

Unfortunately in that game, people could spend money and become severely over-powered at lower levels so we gave that up and waited for Aion.

Will it be fun? Not sure, but its worth 100 bucks to give it a go. 

If not, I'll still play EVE and wait for the next new game on the horizon.

Originally posted by Elesthor

First of all GW is NOT an MMORPG. You can buy the game create a premade  20lvl char buy some skillsets and just PvP. So comparing it to WoW or AIon is like comparing Super Mario Brothers to Super Metroid and say Its a better platformer.

 Interesting... I would like to know your definition of MMORPG becasue last time I checked it was an online game with many people playing a character each that use equipment and skills to progress through the game.
 

Sorry... didn't I just describe Guild Wars, World of Warcraft, Aion, and numerous other games?

Originally posted by haratu

Originally posted by Elesthor

First of all GW is NOT an MMORPG. You can buy the game create a premade  20lvl char buy some skillsets and just PvP. So comparing it to WoW or AIon is like comparing Super Mario Brothers to Super Metroid and say Its a better platformer.

 Interesting... I would like to know your definition of MMORPG becasue last time I checked it was an online game with many people playing a character each that use equipment and skills to progress through the game.
 

Sorry... didn't I just describe Guild Wars?

GW is as MMORPG as Diablo is.

Alright to avoid the "definition" war, Ill say it differently.

GW is not the same type of MMORPG as AION, WOW and the majority of MMORPG games. Pleased now?

" You can buy the game create a premade 20lvl char buy some skillsets and just PvP"

That, along with the heavy instancing makes GW look less MMORPG in my eyes.

Cant wait to get back in :) great game.

I am so excited that I was moving our new giant plasma screen television and dropped it down the stairs, ending the plasma!

Not that excited. Will play for few months to see whether the PvPvE end game is good.

I love all this Guild Wars hate from people who were obviously noobs and clearly have zero experience with upper echelon GvG / Halls / AB / TA. GW is pretty much the only recent mmo that requires incredible amounts of skill, coordination and knowledge to be successful. Its the only one that actually has a ranking system for guilds based on wins and losses, and not how much time you have played.

Aion combat offers like one-tenth of what is possible in GW. Every class has basically one viable pvp build and thats it. Wewt cookie-cutter, rock paper scissors! Do people even understand what skilled team pvp actually is?

Shards create inter-class diversity? LOL

Zerg pvp for gear grind is noob pvp no matter how much one tries to dress it up. What makes it even worse is that pvp points can be FARMED FROM MOBS.

Let me get this straight, I can farm mobs all day and get the best pvp gear which gives me a massive advantage over even equal levelled players allowing me to own face and that makes me a good pvper? Seriously? I can actually be the highest ranked pvper without even engaging in pvp?

Guild Wars lets you buy every skill for your character and allows you to make a max level / gear pvp character instantly. Want to know why? CAUSE IT MEANS NOTHING about how well you are going to perform in pvp.

Aion's pvp has minimal levels of depth, competition, and skill.  If you want another grindy time killer then its probably one of the best you will find. If you want pvp that requires more than two brain cells and is actually competitive and challenging just do yourself a favor and move on.

Originally posted by Nihilist

Aion's pvp has minimal levels of depth, competition, and skill.  If you want another grindy time killer then its probably one of the best you will find. If you want pvp that requires more than two brain cells and is actually competitive and challenging just do yourself a favor and move on.

 

 

 

I absolutely agree with this post.  If you want instant ADD gratification you need to be playing TeamFortress2 or some such game.  If you want to play the hottest new MMORPG, then Aion would be your choice.

Originally posted by Kalay

I am so excited that I was moving our new giant plasma screen television and dropped it down the stairs, ending the plasma!

See, it's already begun.  Give it time and Aion will destroy the world.  It already destroyed your plasma TV!  Just wait and see...

To much of a free2play look alike MMO.

Originally posted by Nihilist

I love all this Guild Wars hate from people who were obviously noobs and clearly have zero experience with upper echelon GvG / Halls / AB / TA. GW is pretty much the only recent mmo that requires incredible amounts of skill, coordination and knowledge to be successful. Its the only one that actually has a ranking system for guilds based on wins and losses, and not how much time you have played.

 

Aion combat offers like one-tenth of what is possible in GW. Every class has basically one viable pvp build and thats it. Wewt cookie-cutter, rock paper scissors! Do people even understand what skilled team pvp actually is?

 

Shards create inter-class diversity? LOL

 

Zerg pvp for gear grind is noob pvp no matter how much one tries to dress it up. What makes it even worse is that pvp points can be FARMED FROM MOBS.

 

Let me get this straight, I can farm mobs all day and get the best pvp gear which gives me a massive advantage over even equal levelled players allowing me to own face and that makes me a good pvper? Seriously? I can actually be the highest ranked pvper without even engaging in pvp?

 

Guild Wars lets you buy every skill for your character and allows you to make a max level / gear pvp character instantly. Want to know why? CAUSE IT MEANS NOTHING about how well you are going to perform in pvp.

 

Aion's pvp has minimal levels of depth, competition, and skill.  If you want another grindy time killer then its probably one of the best you will find. If you want pvp that requires more than two brain cells and is actually competitive and challenging just do yourself a favor and move on.

 

 

 

i have to point out you can in no way get to the top level of rank in aion for pvp grinding mobs they give minimal AP at best killing players gives about 20 times the AP you get from killing a couple mobs for the same amount of time.

yes you can get the gear eventualy but then you have to get your rank up again after loseing what little rank you had and maintain it there is no max amount of AP possible which means people will keep going ahead with AP

example:

player A is pvping in the abyss and killing players left and right

player b is killing mobs takeing about a min a mob

player A is getting thousands of points a kill

player b is getting about 1/10th or so (it depends on the rank of the players player A is killing and how fast)

player A has 100k AP at the end of the day

player b has 25k AP at the end of the day

the next day player a will gain another 100k and player b another 25k now since there is no AP limit player b will never be on top EVER especialy since there will be hundreds of  players doing what player A is doing

now i have to say stop looking for a fight if the game isnt for you move on and don't insult people who like this game

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Granted, but don't try to tell me big, organized guilds are going to ignore the fact that they can massively kill stupid mobs that stand there and die with next to no effort, and constantly do repeatable pve quests, with little chance of death versus facing the enemy zerg head on where it often comes down to a numbers game.

I have actually pre-ordered Aion and will give it a fair shot, but I am under no illusions that it will provide a rewarding pvp system.