Originally posted by TheStarheart

Originally posted by HavenAE2035

Just add in the extra thought of, "Just because FFXIV would have voice chat, it doesnt mean you HAVE TO use it."

 

There was an idea earlier about how some people don't like being forced into speaking with others when grouping. If there is an in-game convention they may be less favored for groups than those willing to use the voice chat. That would either make an uncomfortable situation for them or one where they don't get groups because of it.

Also, those not well-versed in English could be (and this may be likely) prone to some ethnocentric jerks giving them a hard time. Not to say that anyone here would do that. I understand the arguments for and against and they both have some great points. :)

LOL, First Haven, hahaha I said you should post your view and vote it. But thanks for the open minded comment and vote, its nice to see. I totally agree its probably futile, but while SE seems to be handing out the free candy in forms of other commonplace MMO features, I thought I would try and show this one could be a usefull addition as well.

I am more a proponent(sp) of Guild Voice chat. This thread, Starheart, is not only for all encompassing voice chat or voice chat in only one form, but the idea of voice chat in SOME form. Voice chat in a party setup I did not even bring up. Though your comments are logical. Again, the benefit in voice chat I see is the choice to use it, and mostly in-Guild.

Originally posted by Bellarion

I quite surprised by the figures. Thanks to everyone who has voted. This is really educational to me. I do appreciate all the comments as much as the silent voters. I even see some validity with some of the counter arguements to a voice chat system.

Though in my mind, choice of this sort is not imposing or restricting, and expecting ones non- FF mmo experiences with Voice Chat to be similar to ones idea of FF14 voice chat could be a mistake. I personally think voice chat as an option, would be nice to have for those who'd like to use it, and compltely ignorable for those who wouldn't. Just like all Mithra LS's there can always be "no voice chat" Guilds.

Much of the game is what u make it. And if you want to join the uber-epeener-guild that uses voice chat, well it would be your decision to stay in it. Voice chat in that instance will be just another way for you to know what guild you don't want to be in, before u have wasted much time in them.

lol @ the mithra comment.  I had a tarutaru friend of mine tell me once, that you could never trust mithras because they were alway up to no good, manipulating something, or totally trying to take you to the cleaners! rofl  (this is probably why they didn't want to talk to you irl) lawl...

  btw I played mithra and it was ridiculsously fun.  I'll prollly play that same type race again. 

P.S. I never did malicous attacks, but I sure as hell manipulate things...(adds to the immersion) =P

Originally posted by Bellarion

Originally posted by TheStarheart

Originally posted by HavenAE2035

Just add in the extra thought of, "Just because FFXIV would have voice chat, it doesnt mean you HAVE TO use it."

 

There was an idea earlier about how some people don't like being forced into speaking with others when grouping. If there is an in-game convention they may be less favored for groups than those willing to use the voice chat. That would either make an uncomfortable situation for them or one where they don't get groups because of it.

Also, those not well-versed in English could be (and this may be likely) prone to some ethnocentric jerks giving them a hard time. Not to say that anyone here would do that. I understand the arguments for and against and they both have some great points. :)

 

LOL, First Haven, hahaha I said you should post your view and vote it. But thanks for the open minded comment and vote, its nice to see. I totally agree its probably futile, but while SE seems to be handing out the free candy in forms of other commonplace MMO features, I thought I would try and show this one could be a usefull addition as well.

I am more a proponent(sp) of Guild Voice chat. This thread, Starheart, is not only for all encompassing voice chat or voice chat in only one form, but the idea of voice chat in SOME form. Voice chat in a party setup I did not even bring up. Though your comments are logical. Again, the benefit in voice chat I see is the choice to use it, and mostly in-Guild.

nah nah, I understand bellarion. It was just pretty much in direct relation to his quote. In guild would definitely be the most logical implementation of it. You should rephrase the poll to reflect that it's just for in guild though. You may get a different outcome.

My thoughts were that people would see the vagueness of my question and the explicit "Even if its only Guild Voice Chat" and let their votes and comments reflect a more general view view of the idea of voice chat in some form, ven if it was specific to their personal tastes(and maybe they could express what those tastes were, whether they were in guild or all over etc.)

But as you say, people are not getting that and thiking about past game use of voice chat or voice chat without any sort of limitations. But I could have been more clear I guess, hehe, oh well.

If I wanted to chat with people via voice, I would call them or even use teamspeak or vent.  However, Voice chat is in fact the bane of mmorpg.

Alot of players never learn to anticipate and act when necessary because they rely on voice chat to tell them what to do next in a game.  I mean in FFXI having voice chat is useful, but only sometimes.  Winning aginst bosses is not as simple as being able to communicate with each other.  Working as a team and teamwork is very different, since the former just work together while the latter seek harmony by thinking what is the proper action that is beneficial for the team. 

Vent and Teamspeak help with working as a team so leaders can give out clear and concise commands, but even if by voice people still miss commands if they don't pay attention which is the same thing in the end.  Basically, working as a team is something anyone can do as long as they pay little attention, but teamwork require thinking ahead and thinking for others to determine proper course of action.  Teamwork does not really need much communication so voice chat plays a very small part. 

I thought all FFXI veteran already learned what teamwork is since it is one of the lessons that game teach players.

If it is just chatting for fun, I'll stick with typing, since the horror of vent and teamspeak I am already fed up with. 

I would like to see an ingame voice chat, but the chances of that actually hapening s low, even for square.

Also voice chat on xbox360 is an after thought, so much that it limits to a handfull of people and would not work for a linkshell, but possibly for a group if they were going to be together for a long time in their group.

Of coarse people on PC will have vent, teamspeak and xfire even if its just o chat. What I want to see for PS3 is something like group voice chat able to cross game where chatting is not defined by the game you ply but the friends you choose. I don't own a PS3, yet, and know little about what the voice chat is capable of, lets see some more advancewd voice chat witht he PS3 by the end of 2010!

Originally posted by linren 

I thought all FFXI veteran already learned what teamwork is since it is one of the lessons that game teach players.

 

You are absolutely correct.  When I read this single sentence (about this thread's main argument) it inspired me to ponder for a day before I slapped down a response.

I evovled from ps2, to xbox360 high def, to family gaming pc rig... anyways the relationships I gained through many years of play in ballista, and I often mention ballista often because I consider myself one of those very few percentages.  What I'm trying to convey / confess is that after years of playing with friends in a very tight knit community, (EVEN YOUR ENEMIES), you start to understand play style, and develop another sense to anticipate their moves, and vica versa.. they know what your crazy ass is capable up and you need a mean heal, and you know that heal is coming, so you sit in the pocket forever with that faith, and the healer will come in and heal you with the notion that he knows you will survive and reap sweet vindication on remaining foes.

this all done without voice chat. =)

exp ptys go the same way.... it should be automatic....

raid is another animal for another time. thanks ^^

I never once said I thought Voice Chat best because it facilitated teamwork, so do not imply I did. Futher, do not imply I am incapable or did not also learn to anticipate and rely on others abilities and skills in FF11, just by understanding the time responses of abilities and skills in the game and peoples uses of them.

Part of the reason I want Voice Chat is because I am going to have a large Guild full of friends and it will be fun to play and enjoy the game while being able to talk to them, while on my PS3 which does not have that capability.

Understand that I never stated or implied that Voice Chat would facilitate teamwork. Reread whatever you need to, to understand that.

sorry if i misconstrued your point, (i was drunk and posting) oh noez!

anyways,  If they do add a ps3 voice thingy, it would be another alternative to a flexible choice of systems.

im all for that d^^b

I agree Soulsurfer. Part of the reason this thread exists is because Sony has not stepped up and donw what it needs to to create a comprehensive Voice Chat system . Still, having the in game option allows one to talk to all of their FF friends not just PS3 users.

And in a helpful and openminded guild this could be a great thing.  Others have talked about bad guild experiences with voice chat... I personally would look at the game player base, as I am pretty sure I know what game they are taking about, when it comes to forcing people to use voice chat or alienating them etc... but with that big MMO douchebagery abounds, not just when it comes to voice chat. And people should have the personal strength to leave a guild if its full of douchebags, even if it does do lots of raids etc.

Yeah, I think I'm goint to be the leader of my own guild, helped run by with my brother and some of his friends.  I'm trying like crazy hard to peel them off of WoW and show them the light. 

I can't wait to have the power to eject people that cannot control thier pie holes.  =D