This is sad but honestly this will depand on a few factors.

1) Is the combat easy to use. Basically do i have to think while fighting. If the answer is yes there is deep combat than no SWtOR has no chance in beatting wow. Why? Because most mmo players are bad, and rather dumb and useless human beings. These people don't like effort, or challenge, or thinking for that matter.

2) Is character development of abilities and statistics deep? If it is then once agian wow will remain on top, for the same very reasons.

3) How much hype is there? REally look at Aion it offers so very little even compared to games releasing at the same time such as CO, however, CO is dwarfed by Aion and the fact is a lot of people who liked CO will play Aion because; its the cool thing to do. Sounds sad but its true even thinking and well playing mmoers will simply choose aion becuasew tons of asians are playing it and well theres a ton of hype. My friends are gonna play , wonderful but why just play any game becuase your firends are, why not look around have a few play for a few weeks then decided. Aions gonna sell a ton of games but then agian so did warhammer, aoc, etc, etc.

So if SWtOR can hype the shit out of the game then yes they could do well, personally, it looks way to basic to me atm but hey its still got some development to go so I personally do not know. (At least it has a story with it and will be fun to play for a while at least).

Now the downfall of this game is simply that its graphics are not pretty by any stretch, so your goona lose alot of people that way (don't argue its just the way it is), if this allows somepeople with weaker computers play then that may extend their base but not as much for the simple reason that people with computers that can't play min. aion (whatever game that loosk much better) specs also do not have alot of disposable money to buy and play SWtOR.

Still i feel this game have some very interestign things to offer and i personaly cannot wait to play it, and ill judge from there.

Originally posted by Ragnaven

I like the fact it is being looked at as another fail waiting to happen, means I won't deal with as many of the wow generation of sorry mmo players.

I agree.

Let the WoW community stay right where it is. So the rest of us can enjoy the game. If this one turns into the new WoW I imagine it will turn many of us who are waiting for a new MMO fix off of this title.

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Vandarix

Tacking on to this. in order for wow to have 11.5 million current subscription that would mean there almost 50,000 people per server with 243 servers. No 1 server in wow could handle 50,000 people without crashing constantly. that would mean there would constantly be 1,500 players if not more surrounding you at one time granted all 50,000 were online... lets cut that in half even 25,000 is unrealistic.

WoW has had a Total of 11.5 million subscriptions.. Those are not ALL active. Common sense should tell anyone that.

 

The most polite way I can respond to that is to say that you are mistaken.

 

BTW, those 243 servers - is that worldwide or just outside of China?

 

It's misinformation, there are currently 491 Servers covering EU/US regions, as the subscription base is split roughly 50/50 between Asia &EU/US it's reasonable to assume there's as many in Asia, so not far shy of 1000 servers globally.

Well if thats true, then its very well possible. I don't play wow nor keep up with it i just googled wow server list and counted the ones that showed up. So its possible the site I looked at didn't list them all. Then the information is irrelevant. China got shutdown. so take away those subscriptions

With 1000 servers you're looking at 11,500 possible players on each server.. Factor in timezones etc, its still kinda pushing it however possible.

China is back up, relaunched with a new host. The 11.5 mil is quite correct.

Well, then its true... 11.5million people are victims.. oh well the worlds over populated as it is let them sit indoors.. that just means theres more jobs to go around.

one of my good friends fell victim to WoW was 3 weeks shy of his degree and dropped out of school.. Now he sits at home plays wow doesnt work.. Call him on the weekends when were going out clubbing etc, and he chooses WoW.

Originally posted by Vandarix

 The majority of WoW players sit infront of the screen for 8+ hrs a day

You are insane.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Vandarix

 The majority of WoW players sit infront of the screen for 8+ hrs a day

You are insane.

you don't think so? I'd say its pretty close if not accurate.

I think ToR will be a different style of game.  Whether or not thats what customers really want remains to be seen.

No way to predict the game's long term success or failure, but it will sell a boatload of copies at release I'm sure.

Originally posted by Vandarix

Well, then its true... 11.5million people are victims.. oh well the worlds over populated as it is let them sit indoors.. that just means theres more jobs to go around.

one of my good friends fell victim to WoW was 3 weeks shy of his degree and dropped out of school.. Now he sits at home plays wow doesnt work.. Call him on the weekends when were going out clubbing etc, and he chooses WoW.

Thank god, if not wow then maybe herion or something count your firend lucky.

3 weeks short of his degree really?

This tall tale is a bit too tall.

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by Vandarix

Well, then its true... 11.5million people are victims.. oh well the worlds over populated as it is let them sit indoors.. that just means theres more jobs to go around.

one of my good friends fell victim to WoW was 3 weeks shy of his degree and dropped out of school.. Now he sits at home plays wow doesnt work.. Call him on the weekends when were going out clubbing etc, and he chooses WoW.

 

Thank god, if not wow then maybe herion or something count your firend lucky.

3 weeks short of his degree really?

This tall tale is a bit too tall.

No joke he was taking his final 4 classes and was failing them all from attendance so he dropped out.. He said he was gonna go back never did this was 6months ago.

No, SW:TOR won't surpass WoW.  I'm a huge SW fan and I hope to see a good MMO based on it some day. I'm just skeptical of Bioware making something that will be fun for a couple of months or more. But it wouldn't matter who made it, it won't surpass WoW. Only Blizzard themselves will do that.

Originally posted by Vandarix

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by Vandarix

Well, then its true... 11.5million people are victims.. oh well the worlds over populated as it is let them sit indoors.. that just means theres more jobs to go around.

one of my good friends fell victim to WoW was 3 weeks shy of his degree and dropped out of school.. Now he sits at home plays wow doesnt work.. Call him on the weekends when were going out clubbing etc, and he chooses WoW.

 

Thank god, if not wow then maybe herion or something count your firend lucky.

3 weeks short of his degree really?

This tall tale is a bit too tall.

 

No joke he was taking his final 4 classes and was failing them all from attendance so he dropped out.. He said he was gonna go back never did this was 6months ago.

Ok well thast sounds more liek he just didn't show to classes his last semester.

My sister did that she just didn't want to do it.

But really, is that not a good thing. If he was serious about what he was doing thewn he would have graduated if not then he wouldn't.

I mean if he is happy playign wow and doinmg whatever, is not that what matters?

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Ok well thast sounds more liek he just didn't show to classes his last semester.

My sister did that she just didn't want to do it.

But really, is that not a good thing. If he was serious about what he was doing thewn he would have graduated if not then he wouldn't.

I mean if he is happy playign wow and doinmg whatever, is not that what matters?

The school we were attending at the time was Quarter based actually not semester.. but even still anyone about to finish there associates or any degree at that mater when they're that close for a game is stupid.

If you're happy being antisocial i guess then sure lol he can play WoW but I'd go over to his house and he would play wow the whole time I'd be there. Its pretty sad really I've known the guy since we were in middle school. I stopped talking to him a couple months ago and hes never tried to contact me so I'm sure hes still in front of his computer playing WoW 24/7..

Originally posted by qotsa

No, SW:TOR won't surpass WoW.  I'm a huge SW fan and I hope to see a good MMO based on it some day. I'm just skeptical of Bioware making something that will be fun for a couple of months or more. But it wouldn't matter who made it, it won't surpass WoW. Only Blizzard themselves will do that.

I doubt even Blizzard's second MMO will be as successful as WoW.

 WoW can't stay the top-of-the-heap forever.   I thank the OP for not using that stupid 'WoW-killer' term, it's much more reasonable to ask if another game will become a leader in the market.  

If any game can, I'd think this one has a shot.   People get upset when developers produce games that are just clones of previous games, but when a company tries something a little different, like emphasizing story, the same people whine about how the game won't meet thier expectations.   

Bioware has shown they know how to make decent games, that puts them ahead of most MMORPG developers.    Maybe all it will take to become the next market leader is to make a fun game, even if it doesn't match previous models of MMORPGs. 

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by demalus

 Simply put: No.  There will be a big dropoff after the first month or so.  There is no longevity except for people who are very slow at finishing the story / don't have a lot of time to play.

 

And that may be the majority of the market. Knight of the old republic is like 60 hours of gameplay. Bioware is quote saying that this is bigger than 6-7 times the KOTOR games. So let's say you have 400 hours of gameplay. For people who can play 2 hrs a day (and my kids definitely have LESS THAN that a day because of homework and stuff), we are talking about 200 days ... 6-7 months.

That is quite enough. And I am sure there will be additional repetitive elements like PvP and free form fighting.

I think much depends from the way they are counting that 6 or 7 times the content of KOTOR. If it means that there are six classes each with roughly the same amount of content as their single-player monster, well, then I guess it won't actually equal to 400 hours of gameplay for mr. Regular Gamer. In general I think that it is way too early to say anything much from SW:TOR as most of the gameplay details are still shrouded in a veil of inter-stellar nebulae. If, and this is a big if, the gameplay content actually means the leveling content on top of which comes the end-game content, then there certainly is a chance that SW:TOR will lure the masses. Otherwise it will be a quick fling to many WoWers and other MMOers alike after which they will just quietly return to their previous churning.

Originally posted by Harkkum

 Otherwise it will be a quick fling to many WoWers and other MMOers alike after which they will just quietly return to their previous churning.

I won't quietly return!  I'm going to go all SWG Vet on BioWares ass!  I'll spend every waking moment flaming every new Star Wars release and claiming fail for anything new BW comes up with.

This game has exactly zero chance of becoming the MMO leader.

Many people say it will fail because the story will only last 2 months worth of playtime. Well, what about people who live for the end-game? I, for one, despise questing and the grind to lvl cap. I will be racing to hit lvl cap as soon as I get the game. I love lore, anymmo I play I get into the lore. I just don't do it by questing... lol. So, all who say it will fail, you need to factor end game in. End game wins!

It won't take over the Market lead.  Not a chance.  I love Star Wars and I have friends that work for Bioware, but even that doesn't blind me to the fact it won't take the lead.  However, I believe it will be in the to top 3-5 range.