I already quit WOW long ago because of it becoming too casual friendly hand holding crap!

WOW was an awesome game when it was first launched

Hopefully AION will give me back that feeling I got when WOW first started out.

Probably won't keep me from going back to Vanguard though.... Now that game is awesome and the only reason right now I havent given up on all MMO's for good.

If only they would learn a lesson from Blizzard they too could have 10 million players

ADVERTISE THE DAMN THING ON TV !!!!!

Good Lord !

It's not that hard of a concept .......................

Sheesh!

Originally posted by MysteryB

Hey guys I know there are alot of posts out there about this subject, but many of them are just ppl defending one or the other, this thread is just so you can say If you will convert and why. Ill list a couple pros and cons of both games, I for one quit WoW out of boredom, but im getting my entire guild of 200 people from Maelstrom server to convert to Aion, atleast 100 have it pre ordered at the moment

 

World of Warcraft

Pros:          • Massive Popularity/Community

                    • Fun for most levels

                    • Good PvP

                    • Addicting

                    • Great Backstory

 

Cons:         • Life Consuming

                    • Boring if played to much

                    • Wrath of the Lich King made leveling to hard for casual players and to easy for hardcore players

                    • The alliance and horde are very unbalanced depending on the server.

                    • No communication with the other faction

                    • Support takes 1-2 days to help with anything

                    • Armor looks bad up until the 40s or so

                    • Battle animations are repetative and bland

                    • Quests are repetative, most not intresting

 

Aion

Pros:          • Graphically Amazing

                    • Combat is Eye Catching

                    • Leveling is easy at first to get into it, than gets to be hard, but stays fun

                   • Armor looks great even at lower levels

                   • Character creation Is amazing, virtually limitless

                  • Enviroments are interactive, catching fish in a pond, putting an umbrella on to block rain, etc.

                  • In game cutscenes for alot of the quests, makes them intresting

                  • Great Backstory

                   • Great graphics but can be played on lower graphics cards well, down to a nvidia 5500

 

Cons:       • Cultured more towards asian countries, could hurt american and european population

                  • NCsoft has not had the best track record with keeping population (city of heroes for instance)

                  • Lack of american OPEN beta

                  • Lack of races might seem as a con to WoW players

You really miss one major difference between the 2 games at a fairly fundamental level:

WoW = PvE that offers PvP.

Aion = PvP that offers PvE.

Aion is being designed from the ground up as a PvP game.  The PvE side will be there and fleshed out but it will be "the extra" to the PvP side.  That is not stated quite so bluntly in their documentation but that *IS* stated across the interviews with their developers from the earliest ones they did.

"encouraged to go ..."  "best rewards in ..."  "benefits for ..."  "you can do just PvE but ..."  etc., etc., etc.

You are introduced for a brief run to get familiar with the basic controls then "encouraged" to go to the PvP areas to continue progression.

That is a difference in starting focus and intended design that seems to be missing from most statements on Aion.

Will i quit wow for Aion?

I left for champions online, though i will still be giving aion a go eventually

Originally posted by Eleazaros

You really miss one major difference between the 2 games at a fairly fundamental level:

WoW = PvE that offers PvP.

Aion = PvP that offers PvE.

Incorrect. You can't PvP from L1, and you don't get xp from PvP. That's NOT a PvP game.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Eleazaros

You really miss one major difference between the 2 games at a fairly fundamental level:

WoW = PvE that offers PvP.

Aion = PvP that offers PvE.

Incorrect. You can't PvP from L1, and you don't get xp from PvP. That's NOT a PvP game.

 

You can duel from lvl 1 so I suppose you "can" do pvp until it picks up at lvl 20 or so.

And yes you will be able to get xp from pvp. Not a huge amount but you will get it. It's already implemented in chinese Aion and will be in the game on relase with version is 1.5.

Besides, in Lineage 2 (a pvp game) you don't get xp from pvp either. So I'm not sure that is an actual definition for a pvp game or just your definition for a pvp game.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Eleazaros

You really miss one major difference between the 2 games at a fairly fundamental level:

WoW = PvE that offers PvP.

Aion = PvP that offers PvE.

Incorrect. You can't PvP from L1, and you don't get xp from PvP. That's NOT a PvP game.

 

 

You can duel from lvl 1 so I suppose you "can" do pvp until it picks up at lvl 20 or so.

And yes you will be able to get xp from pvp. Not a huge amount but you will get it. It's already implemented in chinese Aion and will be in the game on relase with version is 1.5.

Besides, in Lineage 2 (a pvp game) you don't get xp from pvp either. So I'm not sure that is an actual definition for a pvp game or just your definition for a pvp game.

 

Get over it: in WOW you can level through PvP even and jump from PvP spec to PVE with pushing one button.

And with a possible 80.000 concurrent players now on line to choose to do dungeons with....

I think current active WOW players are not going to leave their game for any new mmo.

Perhaps trying out yes, but leaving Blizzard with these new features and a complete new Azeroth on line.

No chance.

I am an active wow player and I am sure gonna leave wow.

And yes, i raid regularly, I have a good guild (thats also migrating btw) and i am active.

But its not the new Azeroth thats gonna keep me, i mean, I am lvl 80 in 5 characters, whats it gonna bring to me? Another round of raids with copy pasted fights and just 1 or 2 new things? An old continent with 7 new zones, being 4 of them starting areas. I am lvl 80 already, what am I gonna do with old zones revamped.... im not gonna level another alt for god sake, i want content for my lvl, 80, and 3 new zones and 2 or 3 raids are not enough to keep me for yet another 2 years.

Flying mounts in Azeroth, great, its good offcourse, but that doesnt change the gameplay..... a Secondary profession? What the hell, why not a primary one, give us a mean to make bows and staves, a woodworking profession why not.

Originally posted by tryklon

 

I am an active wow player and I am sure gonna leave wow.

And yes, i raid regularly, I have a good guild (thats also migrating btw) and i am active.

But its not the new Azeroth thats gonna keep me, i mean, I am lvl 80 in 5 characters, whats it gonna bring to me? Another round of raids with copy pasted fights and just 1 or 2 new things? An old continent with 7 new zones, being 4 of them starting areas. I am lvl 80 already, what am I gonna do with old zones revamped.... im not gonna level another alt for god sake, i want content for my lvl, 80, and 3 new zones and 2 or 3 raids are not enough to keep me for yet another 2 years.

Flying mounts in Azeroth, great, its good offcourse, but that doesnt change the gameplay..... a Secondary profession? What the hell, why not a primary one, give us a mean to make bows and staves, a woodworking profession why not.

QFT.

I already canceled my sub. Me and 4 other people plan to move to Aion until ToR releases.

and yet another useless post about comparing 1 game to the other.

what the hell is WoW any ways ?

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

You can duel from lvl 1 so I suppose you "can" do pvp until it picks up at lvl 20 or so.

And yes you will be able to get xp from pvp. Not a huge amount but you will get it. It's already implemented in chinese Aion and will be in the game on relase with version is 1.5.

Besides, in Lineage 2 (a pvp game) you don't get xp from pvp either. So I'm not sure that is an actual definition for a pvp game or just your definition for a pvp game.

 

Get over it: in WOW you can level through PvP even and jump from PvP spec to PVE with pushing one button.

And with a possible 80.000 concurrent players now on line to choose to do dungeons with....

I think current active WOW players are not going to leave their game for any new mmo.

Perhaps trying out yes, but leaving Blizzard with these new features and a complete new Azeroth on line.

No chance.

 

I am an active wow player and I am sure gonna leave wow.

And yes, i raid regularly, I have a good guild (thats also migrating btw) and i am active.

But its not the new Azeroth thats gonna keep me, i mean, I am lvl 80 in 5 characters, whats it gonna bring to me? Another round of raids with copy pasted fights and just 1 or 2 new things? An old continent with 7 new zones, being 4 of them starting areas. I am lvl 80 already, what am I gonna do with old zones revamped.... im not gonna level another alt for god sake, i want content for my lvl, 80, and 3 new zones and 2 or 3 raids are not enough to keep me for yet another 2 years.

Flying mounts in Azeroth, great, its good offcourse, but that doesnt change the gameplay..... a Secondary profession? What the hell, why not a primary one, give us a mean to make bows and staves, a woodworking profession why not.

 

Did you even read the above about the new WOW ? Multi clustered servers for dungeons .....

- You play dungeons with 80.000 possible concurrent users. --- > win/win. You log in  and hop you are into GROUP play.

- You can now fully level through pvp ----> win/win. You log  you do pvp and hop you can jump to pve (with one button PvP/PvE/spec/gear. And .... RATED Battlegrounds (of course multiclustered).

- There is a whole new open world PvP zone with multiple objectives. Instead of 1 castle siege, you'll have 5 sieges spread out.

- The new and  redone Azeroth with new quests is comparable to WOW 2004, BUT with all the features of 2009 and add some more.

PvP and PVE in WOW as of patch 3.3 means simply playing with a possible 80K people ALWAYS on line.

Have you ANY idea what that means ...

:))))

What does that have anything to do with coming back for the expasnion for new content? You can already lvl with pvp now in 3.2, and we already have a pvp zone with 1 so the mechanic is the same.

How the hell does 80k ppl change anything to an expasnion new features?

Well finally, Im glad you admited the game content is stale and the only reason to come is "because the game has loads of ppl to play with".

Thats nice, but thats not reason to play a game in my book.... besides, i never had trouble to find groups or pvp partners/rivals in any other game

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Aion: 400K/500K at launch. One month after 200K/250,  6 months later 150K, because it won't hold out against Lotro on the long run (no known western Lore) and then s l o w l y dying like Aoc and War.

It is the painful truth of any new mmorpg that needs to be paid for with 180 dollars for western (!) subscriptions a year.

Are numbers important? Of course because with the new system that WOW will be using (clustered servers for doing dungeons AND PvP), you will need at least 50.000 CONCURRENT people on line to play with to even have a competitive product.

Only EVE comes in the neigbourhood.

The rest dies because of lack of players and oxygene six months after launch. Only LotrO holds out because of its Lore.

While I certainly don't think its going to rival WoW I don't see Aion going the same route as AoC or Warhammer.  Mainly because the game is in much better condition than those other games were at launch time and also far as I can see unlike those two games Aion's system isn't broken or inherently flawed.  Now if it comes to pass that they do have the same issues as those other two games then yes it will suffer the same fate but from everything I've seen and played it isn't.

Rings lore does give it a niche market but so does the fact their game was so polished that they didn't send people off in droves or anger people to the point where they might quit for some time but not have issues with resubbing later plus they play a lot towards those that like to rp compared to some other games that ignore that crowd.  Not to mention the fact they had such a polished launch compared to some that it allowed them the ability to work on updates more so they did a fairly decent job at adding content which is another reason they haven't suffered the same fate.   Again, I'm not saying the lore doesn't play a factor but to say that's the only reason it has survived while others dwindle away is rather shortighted in my opinion.

No game unless it is absolutely revolutionary is going to rival WoW though if for no other reason than because at the least it will never be able to compete content wise due to how long at this point WoW has been around which is one point I think we would both agree on...at least not any game any time soon.

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by tryklon

 

I am an active wow player and I am sure gonna leave wow.

And yes, i raid regularly, I have a good guild (thats also migrating btw) and i am active.

But its not the new Azeroth thats gonna keep me, i mean, I am lvl 80 in 5 characters, whats it gonna bring to me? Another round of raids with copy pasted fights and just 1 or 2 new things? An old continent with 7 new zones, being 4 of them starting areas. I am lvl 80 already, what am I gonna do with old zones revamped.... im not gonna level another alt for god sake, i want content for my lvl, 80, and 3 new zones and 2 or 3 raids are not enough to keep me for yet another 2 years.

Flying mounts in Azeroth, great, its good offcourse, but that doesnt change the gameplay..... a Secondary profession? What the hell, why not a primary one, give us a mean to make bows and staves, a woodworking profession why not.

 

QFT.

I already canceled my sub. Me and 4 other people plan to move to Aion until ToR releases.

If those things make you cancel your sub, what are you hoping for in Aion that will be so different?

Originally posted by SonofSeth

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by tryklon

 

I am an active wow player and I am sure gonna leave wow.

And yes, i raid regularly, I have a good guild (thats also migrating btw) and i am active.

But its not the new Azeroth thats gonna keep me, i mean, I am lvl 80 in 5 characters, whats it gonna bring to me? Another round of raids with copy pasted fights and just 1 or 2 new things? An old continent with 7 new zones, being 4 of them starting areas. I am lvl 80 already, what am I gonna do with old zones revamped.... im not gonna level another alt for god sake, i want content for my lvl, 80, and 3 new zones and 2 or 3 raids are not enough to keep me for yet another 2 years.

Flying mounts in Azeroth, great, its good offcourse, but that doesnt change the gameplay..... a Secondary profession? What the hell, why not a primary one, give us a mean to make bows and staves, a woodworking profession why not.

 

QFT.

I already canceled my sub. Me and 4 other people plan to move to Aion until ToR releases.

If those things make you cancel your sub, what are you hoping for in Aion that will be so different?

At most I'm hoping for a new atmosphere. To much to ask?

 Too little.

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Originally posted by Zorndorf

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Originally posted by Sovrath

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Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

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Originally posted by Eleazaros

You really miss one major difference between the 2 games at a fairly fundamental level:
WoW = PvE that offers PvP.
Aion = PvP that offers PvE.

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Incorrect. You can't PvP from L1, and you don't get xp from PvP. That's NOT a PvP game.
 

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You can duel from lvl 1 so I suppose you "can" do pvp until it picks up at lvl 20 or so.
And yes you will be able to get xp from pvp. Not a huge amount but you will get it. It's already implemented in chinese Aion and will be in the game on relase with version is 1.5.
Besides, in Lineage 2 (a pvp game) you don't get xp from pvp either. So I'm not sure that is an actual definition for a pvp game or just your definition for a pvp game.

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Get over it: in WOW you can level through PvP even and jump from PvP spec to PVE with pushing one button.
And with a possible 80.000 concurrent players now on line to choose to do dungeons with....
I think current active WOW players are not going to leave their game for any new mmo.
Perhaps trying out yes, but leaving Blizzard with these new features and a complete new Azeroth on line.
No chance.

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That was good stuff right there.

Why does it matter to you if people will leave WoW?

Besides people have already left in droves many times over. It takes MMOs a long time to die. You will have your precious WoW for many years to come.

It was a good game and its old and Im bored of it like many of the people commenting on this thread. Or did you not read the thread?

Besides the new content isnt new, its rehashed. Nothing is really changing with the game. Its a fine game and cataclysm what offers a few more features?

/yawn

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Originally posted by Zorndorf

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Originally posted by tryklon

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Originally posted by Zorndorf

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Originally posted by Sovrath

 
You can duel from lvl 1 so I suppose you "can" do pvp until it picks up at lvl 20 or so.
And yes you will be able to get xp from pvp. Not a huge amount but you will get it. It's already implemented in chinese Aion and will be in the game on relase with version is 1.5.
Besides, in Lineage 2 (a pvp game) you don't get xp from pvp either. So I'm not sure that is an actual definition for a pvp game or just your definition for a pvp game.

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Get over it: in WOW you can level through PvP even and jump from PvP spec to PVE with pushing one button.
And with a possible 80.000 concurrent players now on line to choose to do dungeons with....
I think current active WOW players are not going to leave their game for any new mmo.
Perhaps trying out yes, but leaving Blizzard with these new features and a complete new Azeroth on line.
No chance.

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I am an active wow player and I am sure gonna leave wow.
And yes, i raid regularly, I have a good guild (thats also migrating btw) and i am active.
But its not the new Azeroth thats gonna keep me, i mean, I am lvl 80 in 5 characters, whats it gonna bring to me? Another round of raids with copy pasted fights and just 1 or 2 new things? An old continent with 7 new zones, being 4 of them starting areas. I am lvl 80 already, what am I gonna do with old zones revamped.... im not gonna level another alt for god sake, i want content for my lvl, 80, and 3 new zones and 2 or 3 raids are not enough to keep me for yet another 2 years.
Flying mounts in Azeroth, great, its good offcourse, but that doesnt change the gameplay..... a Secondary profession? What the hell, why not a primary one, give us a mean to make bows and staves, a woodworking profession why not.

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Did you even read the above about the new WOW ? Multi clustered servers for dungeons .....
- You play dungeons with 80.000 possible concurrent users. --- > win/win. You log in  and hop you are into GROUP play.
- You can now fully level through pvp ----> win/win. You log  you do pvp and hop you can jump to pve (with one button PvP/PvE/spec/gear. And .... RATED Battlegrounds (of course multiclustered).
- There is a whole new open world PvP zone with multiple objectives. Instead of 1 castle siege, you'll have 5 sieges spread out.
- The new and  redone Azeroth with new quests is comparable to WOW 2004, BUT with all the features of 2009 and add some more.
PvP and PVE in WOW as of patch 3.3 means simply playing with a possible 80K people ALWAYS on line.
Have you ANY idea what that means ...
:))))

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It doesnt matter how many people Im playing with if I dont like the game anymore.

Hurts, doesnt it?

Originally posted by logangregor

 

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Originally posted by Zorndorf

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Originally posted by tryklon

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Originally posted by Zorndorf

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Originally posted by Sovrath

 

 
You can duel from lvl 1 so I suppose you "can" do pvp until it picks up at lvl 20 or so.
And yes you will be able to get xp from pvp. Not a huge amount but you will get it. It's already implemented in chinese Aion and will be in the game on relase with version is 1.5.
Besides, in Lineage 2 (a pvp game) you don't get xp from pvp either. So I'm not sure that is an actual definition for a pvp game or just your definition for a pvp game.

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Get over it: in WOW you can level through PvP even and jump from PvP spec to PVE with pushing one button.
And with a possible 80.000 concurrent players now on line to choose to do dungeons with....
I think current active WOW players are not going to leave their game for any new mmo.
Perhaps trying out yes, but leaving Blizzard with these new features and a complete new Azeroth on line.
No chance.

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I am an active wow player and I am sure gonna leave wow.
And yes, i raid regularly, I have a good guild (thats also migrating btw) and i am active.
But its not the new Azeroth thats gonna keep me, i mean, I am lvl 80 in 5 characters, whats it gonna bring to me? Another round of raids with copy pasted fights and just 1 or 2 new things? An old continent with 7 new zones, being 4 of them starting areas. I am lvl 80 already, what am I gonna do with old zones revamped.... im not gonna level another alt for god sake, i want content for my lvl, 80, and 3 new zones and 2 or 3 raids are not enough to keep me for yet another 2 years.
Flying mounts in Azeroth, great, its good offcourse, but that doesnt change the gameplay..... a Secondary profession? What the hell, why not a primary one, give us a mean to make bows and staves, a woodworking profession why not.

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Did you even read the above about the new WOW ? Multi clustered servers for dungeons .....
- You play dungeons with 80.000 possible concurrent users. --- > win/win. You log in  and hop you are into GROUP play.
- You can now fully level through pvp ----> win/win. You log  you do pvp and hop you can jump to pve (with one button PvP/PvE/spec/gear. And .... RATED Battlegrounds (of course multiclustered).
- There is a whole new open world PvP zone with multiple objectives. Instead of 1 castle siege, you'll have 5 sieges spread out.
- The new and  redone Azeroth with new quests is comparable to WOW 2004, BUT with all the features of 2009 and add some more.
PvP and PVE in WOW as of patch 3.3 means simply playing with a possible 80K people ALWAYS on line.
Have you ANY idea what that means ...
:))))

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It doesnt matter how many people Im playing with if I dont like the game anymore.

Hurts, doesnt it?

 BUT BUT !?! XFIRE! ZOMG.... haha it's fun to watch Zorndorf squiggle like the worm that he is.

Really, you know what I want to know?

Why do folks who play WoW "FEEL" the need to post how WoW is the greatest game ever and how we cant even think of leaving?

What does it matter to them?

If WoW was so fun, why the fk arent they playing it instead of knocking other games on these forums?

Are you WoW fanbois Shills for Blizzard?

DO you get paid to bash absolutely anything that poses any threat to WoW?

I am contrary to popular opinion NOT a WoW hater. I still play it for the time being and have played off and on (more on than off) since release.

WoW is, as a whole, a Great game. Lot of fun.

Not perfect.

Pvp was an afterthought. Fanbois dont tell me different as I was there
Not as good as fun as DAOCs RvR.
Not the best pve encounters.
Not the best graphics.
Not even close to original in concept.

But all the things it did right combined to make it a great game.
A game that Ive enjoyed for more than 4 years.

This isnt a marriage and for me at least its time to say goodbye.

 I crave for a different, new MMORPG that will hook me to it, but AION just isn't what I need. 

I could not stand (in closed beta) the asian all-to-familiar models, "heroic" poses, fancy "flowery" surroundings, same funny-retarded female running animations like in Lineage (don't tell me you really like those), "sad-sugary" music, and above all the "PRETTINESS" of characters that almost make me puke of EMO-ism.

There, I said it, I REALLY don't like Aion. Sue me.

I have not had the chance to try Aion as of yet,  I cancelled the walk me by hand WoW months ago.  I think its time Blizzard polished off their other MMo and release it so they can finally put WoW into the pasture.  Aion will of course take alot of their players with alot returning.  In the Asian market where WoW does great, I think it will take a beating by Aion.  here in NA not so much since most here are not eager for change.  When I see the subscriber numbers for WoW I instantly think it was published by the current US Gov administration, everyone knows the numbers are cook but they keep fabricating them thinkong people actully beiieve them.  Whether you play f2p or sub based,  play what you want not what others are.