Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

The closest I've come to something like this recently was when I preordered AoC for the early access to the game. And then they opened the early access sign up for like an hour before closing it and saying "Too many people have signed up". They gave bs answers when contacted about it as well. So I canceled my AoC preorder, never bought the game or tried it since and I must say I think they saved me some money with how terrible the game seems to have turned out. So maybe just like that situation Champions just saved people money.

There have been worse situations such as URU, the game fly off the shelves retail, but the servers never went live. They killed it in closed beta. And people were left with an MMO that  has no servers. Luckily, much of the game was playable in single player mode as well, but some parts needed patches to work. After all these years Cyan is finally trying to male things right.

If Champions Online were to happen  like that, Cryptic would go out of business forever. But thier blunder is far smaller, and hopefully they can correct their snafu before release.

Originally posted by banthis

First everyone cries fowl they're even offering it..then they stop offering it because they reached the peak projection that finicially makes sense (something they probably never expected to reach so early) and everyone cries fowl again.  They can't win if they don't and can't win if they do...the gamer community in today's world is nothing but an entitlement wanting bunch of whiner babies.  Its really sad to see how much people cry these days. 

I mean SWG made sense to cry over atleast because it was a complete ripping scam..it made sense when people cried fowl about Age of Conan because it couldn't and never even tried to truely deliver on everything they yammered about.  But crying over a limited offer deal to spend 200 bucks and play the game for life? Yea..you know alot of nuts are going to come out of the wood work and claim fowl despite having no previous interest ... they're the same people that would sue McDonalds because they spilled their own hot coffee on themselves.

Obsessed MMO entitlement wishing players = Epic Fail.  

Atleast cry over something worth while like how the pvp never truely worked during the beta or how bad the first day of OB was but geezus over a limited subscription plan? Boo friggin woo really....

Bad Games aren't ruining the community anymore..its bad Community members.

QFT ^^^^

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by ivier

Originally posted by Papadam

Im actually digusted by the "fans" who defends cryptic for screwing up their players and flame thoose who upset about it... Companies should be held responsible when they are acting shady and you guys sound exactly like Darkfall "fans" when they were defending Aventurines buisnes practise.  

I think that to even offer a limited supply of lifetime accounts before launch is very shady. Shows the differnce between how a good company like Turbine did the LT deal compared to a shady company like Cryptic... and then add the microtransaction silence on that.

 

I would not say that Cryptic is shady, just misguided and inexperienced in dealing directly with the customers on anything other than technical support. In all, they are a very good development team, and it is unknown at this point whether it was fully their decision, or if Atari told them to pull the plug on the offer.

 

It seems a lot of blame is being shoved at Atari lately for things Cryptic is doing that people don't like.   Very Interesting.

Regardless I agree in some respect with Papadam,  if cryptic didn't know they screwed up, they wouldn'tve put up a post saying "Oops" .    In hindsight they're kicking themselves.....     not the first time either.

I am not shoving blame at Atari, though as their publisher and source of development finance, they do have alot of say in how things are run currently, so it is unknown whether they have anything to do with it.

Originally posted by gatheris

could someone please explain how you "run out" of what seems to be a virtual item?

maybe it is too many people to let into closed beta for STO?

if this is the case would it kill someone to just tell it like it is?

 

I'll try to keep it simple, without minimizing it so much that the point is lost...
 

Offering people this "special" does "cost money".  I use quotes because cost is not always understood by the end-customer.  By offering these lifetime memberships, they take an amount of money up-front.  For that amount, they have to provide service to that customer while the game is "live".

If the game rights remains with the original developer, and they host it, and they publish it etc., then they can sell as many as they want!  All the money goes into their pocket.  Where it becomes "costly" is when you have publishers involved, and when you may actually want to sell your IP and move on to the next big thing (as Cryptic did with NCSoft and the CoX franchise). 

When a developer enters into an agreement with a publisher, there is usually percentage of box sales and percentage of subscription dollars that are payed to the publisher.  Publishers would want to limit the number of lifetime accounts sold, as they stand to make much less off of those customers than through the normal sales channels.  My guess is the publisher put a limitation on the number of lifetimes that could be sold, not the developer Cryptic.

When you try to sell the product, the prospective buyer inherits those lifetime accounts; they recieved no payment for those accounts, and never will.  They inherit the cost of continued development, hosting, and support without the subscription income from those lifetime accounts.  This can (not always) be negative to the prospective buyer.  If you constantly have new players coming into the game, lifetimes can be seen as positive, as they can provide a stable long-term player base.  This makes new players feel like the game is "alive" when they join.  If the game has become stagnant in terms of new players, then lifetimes are simply a liability and drain.

Originally posted by Zionnax

Originally posted by gatheris

could someone please explain how you "run out" of what seems to be a virtual item?

maybe it is too many people to let into closed beta for STO?

if this is the case would it kill someone to just tell it like it is?

 

I'll try to keep it simple, without minimizing it so much that the point is lost...
 

Offering people this "special" does "cost money".  I use quotes because cost is not always understood by the end-customer.  By offering these lifetime memberships, they take an amount of money up-front.  For that amount, they have to provide service to that customer while the game is "live".

If the game rights remains with the original developer, and they host it, and they publish it etc., then they can sell as many as they want!  All the money goes into their pocket.  Where it becomes "costly" is when you have publishers involved, and when you may actually want to sell your IP and move on to the next big thing (as Cryptic did with NCSoft and the CoX franchise). 

When a developer enters into an agreement with a publisher, there is usually percentage of box sales and percentage of subscription dollars that are payed to the publisher.  Publishers would want to limit the number of lifetime accounts sold, as they stand to make much less off of those customers than through the normal sales channels.  My guess is the publisher put a limitation on the number of lifetimes that could be sold, not the developer Cryptic.

When you try to sell the product, the prospective buyer inherits those lifetime accounts; they recieved no payment for those accounts, and never will.  They inherit the cost of continued development, hosting, and support without the subscription income from those lifetime accounts.  This can (not always) be negative to the prospective buyer.  If you constantly have new players coming into the game, lifetimes can be seen as positive, as they can provide a stable long-term player base.  This makes new players feel like the game is "alive" when they join.  If the game has become stagnant in terms of new players, then lifetimes are simply a liability and drain.

What you say is true. But life-timers are still sources of income of Champions, as their microtransaction system provides an alternate source of income for them. That being said, someone who does not have to pay a monthly fee is likely to spend that equivalent amount on the micro transactions to enhance their play. Making the financial risk of having life-timers quite a bit smaller.
 

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by ivier

Originally posted by Papadam

Im actually digusted by the "fans" who defends cryptic for screwing up their players and flame thoose who upset about it... Companies should be held responsible when they are acting shady and you guys sound exactly like Darkfall "fans" when they were defending Aventurines buisnes practise.  

I think that to even offer a limited supply of lifetime accounts before launch is very shady. Shows the differnce between how a good company like Turbine did the LT deal compared to a shady company like Cryptic... and then add the microtransaction silence on that.

 

I would not say that Cryptic is shady, just misguided and inexperienced in dealing directly with the customers on anything other than technical support. In all, they are a very good development team, and it is unknown at this point whether it was fully their decision, or if Atari told them to pull the plug on the offer.

 

It seems a lot of blame is being shoved at Atari lately for things Cryptic is doing that people don't like.   Very Interesting.

Regardless I agree in some respect with Papadam,  if cryptic didn't know they screwed up, they wouldn'tve put up a post saying "Oops" .    In hindsight they're kicking themselves.....     not the first time either.

Funny thing is I just read that Turbine is sueing Atari for $30 million for breach of contract (several times over 3 years), so yea I agree that its probably Atari who is shady and its sad that Cryptic was bought by them...

Its an interesting read: http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/08/26/Atari.pdf

  To all of you that  stated that Cryptic did put "while supplies last" is an announcement.

  YES, they did. In a forum message dated Aug 3rd before most people joined the Open Beta.  It's a bit much to expect people joining the open beta to backtrack thru 10+ days of forum message to see that one post.

  Was the term "while supplies last" in any messages posted in the forum, sent to player via email, linked from the Discount subs ads from their website front page and on many ads on the web since the start of Open beta?  NO.

  Here lies the problem!

Originally posted by Papadam 

Funny thing is I just read that Turbine is sueing Atari for $30 million for breach of contract (several times over 3 years), so yea I agree that its probably Atari who is shady and its sad that Cryptic was bought by them...

Its an interesting read: http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/08/26/Atari.pdf

Maybe i missed an announcement, but i don't believe Atari bought Cryptic, as far as i know they are just the publisher. Publishers do not always buy their clients (unless they are EA). Ofcourse, i admit i may be mistaken, as i haven't been keeping abreast of who bought who in the gaming world as of late.

Originally posted by banthis

First everyone cries fowl they're even offering it..then they stop offering it because they reached the peak projection that finicially makes sense (something they probably never expected to reach so early) and everyone cries fowl again.  They can't win if they don't and can't win if they do...the gamer community in today's world is nothing but an entitlement wanting bunch of whiner babies.  Its really sad to see how much people cry these days. 

I mean SWG made sense to cry over atleast because it was a complete ripping scam..it made sense when people cried fowl about Age of Conan because it couldn't and never even tried to truely deliver on everything they yammered about.  But crying over a limited offer deal to spend 200 bucks and play the game for life? Yea..you know alot of nuts are going to come out of the wood work and claim fowl despite having no previous interest ... they're the same people that would sue McDonalds because they spilled their own hot coffee on themselves.

Obsessed MMO entitlement wishing players = Epic Fail.  

Atleast cry over something worth while like how the pvp never truely worked during the beta or how bad the first day of OB was but geezus over a limited subscription plan? Boo friggin woo really....

Bad Games aren't ruining the community anymore..its bad Community members.

/signed. Grow up people.

Originally posted by ivier

Originally posted by Zionnax

Originally posted by gatheris

could someone please explain how you "run out" of what seems to be a virtual item?

maybe it is too many people to let into closed beta for STO?

if this is the case would it kill someone to just tell it like it is?

 

I'll try to keep it simple, without minimizing it so much that the point is lost...
 

Offering people this "special" does "cost money".  I use quotes because cost is not always understood by the end-customer.  By offering these lifetime memberships, they take an amount of money up-front.  For that amount, they have to provide service to that customer while the game is "live".

If the game rights remains with the original developer, and they host it, and they publish it etc., then they can sell as many as they want!  All the money goes into their pocket.  Where it becomes "costly" is when you have publishers involved, and when you may actually want to sell your IP and move on to the next big thing (as Cryptic did with NCSoft and the CoX franchise). 

When a developer enters into an agreement with a publisher, there is usually percentage of box sales and percentage of subscription dollars that are payed to the publisher.  Publishers would want to limit the number of lifetime accounts sold, as they stand to make much less off of those customers than through the normal sales channels.  My guess is the publisher put a limitation on the number of lifetimes that could be sold, not the developer Cryptic.

When you try to sell the product, the prospective buyer inherits those lifetime accounts; they recieved no payment for those accounts, and never will.  They inherit the cost of continued development, hosting, and support without the subscription income from those lifetime accounts.  This can (not always) be negative to the prospective buyer.  If you constantly have new players coming into the game, lifetimes can be seen as positive, as they can provide a stable long-term player base.  This makes new players feel like the game is "alive" when they join.  If the game has become stagnant in terms of new players, then lifetimes are simply a liability and drain.

 

What you say is true. But life-timers are still sources of income of Champions, as their microtransaction system provides an alternate source of income for them. That being said, someone who does not have to pay a monthly fee is likely to spend that equivalent amount on the micro transactions to enhance their play. Making the financial risk of having life-timers quite a bit smaller.
 

 

You may very well be correct.  From what I've heard from Cryptic, the microtrans in the game will be very minimal, and cosmetic only.  Unless they have changed this approach (and really, we won't know how far they go until months into the game), we can't really speak to how much they may or may not make off of microstransactions.  I will say this, if they decide to "screw" their subscribers over, and switch to a heavy F2P microtrans system, then the lifetime subs won't end up costing them a thing :)
 

Originally posted by donjuanamigo

Originally posted by wraith808

Originally posted by donjuanamigo

why do any of you care if they have run out or not? if you had no plans of buying one, then you have no need to even comment and if you havent bought one by now, you certainly were not within the next 7 days.

 

Wrong.  I just picked up the pre-order last week, and played in the open beta.  I didn't get paid until Friday, and my check didn't clear until today.  Which when the deadline was August 31st was plenty of time... If I had known there were limited quantities, I would have transferred the money from another account.  But if you don't say that it's limited by quantity, but time, people will take you at your word.

 

if you wanted it that bad you would have moved the money. i call BS on your above statement. also, if you had to wait for a check to clear to spend 200 bucks you probably shouldnt be spending said money on an MMO.

hehe...

Ok, I am getting really sick of this.

You feel lied to by cryptic? Who cares.. the original offer post clearly stated they were a limited number and limited run, the email mailing clearly stated limited. The offer was up for plenty of time for you to take advantage IF you ever had any intention of taking advantage.

I am sure there are a handful that planned to take advantage and missed the window, but nothing like the response of hateful angry people posting.

It is sickening how my fellow gamers swarm anything negative they ever see on the forums like a pack of jackels on a wounded gazelle.

I am VERY confident in saying this as I am sure that at least half of the hateful negative posts being made are by gamers who never had any intention of playing champions in the first place and are just angry their free lunch open beta is over and done.

{ Mod Edit }

Next is microtransactions for new power sets.... then those we expected for costuming.   

The worst part about all this is HG:L was a better game.

And BTW... you may have deleted my last post... but that does not make the information contained within it not true.

Originally posted by Sorrow

 

Ok, I am getting really sick of this.

 

You feel lied to by cryptic? Who cares.. the original offer post clearly stated they were a limited number and limited run, the email mailing clearly stated limited. The offer was up for plenty of time for you to take advantage IF you ever had any intention of taking advantage.

I am sure there are a handful that planned to take advantage and missed the window, but nothing like the response of hateful angry people posting.

It is sickening how my fellow gamers swarm anything negative they ever see on the forums like a pack of jackels on a wounded gazelle.

I am VERY confident in saying this as I am sure that at least half of the hateful negative posts being made are by gamers who never had any intention of playing champions in the first place and are just angry their free lunch open beta is over and done.

{ Mod Edit }

 

Actually, the servers are still up. I am not angry, but you obviously are. I am however disappointed in Cryptics decision (so far) to not honor the ads which clearly stated "limited time" which was defined as before September 1st. Only a single forum post ever said anything about a limited quanitiy, until the announcement on the 24th just hours before the last one was sold.

I bought the 6 month pretty much straight away, i dont understand why people are complaining i pretty much guessed they would be a limit so i did not hang about, why moan at the end the offer instead of just buying it at the begining

Originally posted by k1klass

I bought the 6 month pretty much straight away, i dont understand why people are complaining i pretty much guessed they would be a limit so i did not hang about, why moan at the end the offer instead of just buying it at the begining

Well that would be because the advertisements they sent out vie email and had on thier front page, said the offer ends September 1st. And gave no indication of limited supplies. For a digital commodity, unlimited supplies are automatically assumed unless stated otherwise.

Well, for me its simple.

I was planning to get the lifetime offer and otherwise I wouldnt even touch the game.

Since they clearly stated the offer would be till september 1, i didnt get it yet.

Now its too late, because its socalled: sold out. YEAH RIGHT, lol.

Its for them a win/win situation, every lifetime abbo they sell:

Use some simple calculus and probability:

A lifetime is basically equally worth as 2.5 year of paying in yearly payments or something. (due to money getting less valuable, due to cryptic being able to invest their income right away, due to cryptic to repay loans faster etc, etc etc, loads of advantages for cryptic)

If 100 people would buy a lifetime abbo, that doesnt equal 100 people, that would play for 2 a 3 years.

Yet, thats the break even point of subbing or lifetime abbo.

Most of them would stop sooner or later or visit it very casually, which means, less need for cryptic anyway to expand their server park for such a player.

Everyone one of that group, that plays less then 2.5 years in the next 5 years, is basically for them: extra money, then they would get with normal subs.

Anyway, they didnt follow their own advertisements and are coming up with very bad arguments.

Clearly they have no respect for their possible customers and can not be trusted at all, 1 september is 1 september and not 25th august.

So, sorry, i am not gonna buy even a box now to try it out further and in NO WAY, i am gonna sub to this game.

 Enough others coming out, even if they might be less good then champions online, i dont care, i dont like companies, that lie and cant be trusted.

@ spdkilla

Odd... And I even sifted through the deleted stuff to make sure I didn't miss anything. <shrug></shrug> Still, sombody there failed at basic communication. "Limited" imparts no useful detail whatsoever and they deserve every flame they get on this topic.

That said... People actually complaining that they missed out on this deal are nuts. You're playing the equivolent of the stockmarket with a third string MMO title, only marginally better than a f2p. Operating on faith for the first year and change isn't my idea of of a good investment and you have no guarantees the rules won't change six months from now.

Likewise, I really do believe the 'limited' aspect is more than a marketing ploy and they're probably fairly sincere on the apology.  You can damn well bet the number of slots for that offer were limited because after a year, that customer stops generating revenue for them. Unlike some, I'll bet you don't see this offer extended because of this fact. The more they offer, the less they will ultimately make. Sure, you get the initial burst of cash, but long term? The company will die for lack of revenue if they release too many lifetime offers. The best disgruntled gamers can hope for is a limited (very limited) renewal of the offer, but the angery mob is still going to outnumber the lucky few by a very large margin.

I guess what it comes down to is I'm really not seeing a real conspiracy here. Somebody legitimately screwed up, got flamed and apologized. The very mechanics of the market they operate in pretty much bare out the truth- They can't do what people are accusing them of just to yank chains because they live and die by a subscription base, not a one off discount charge. They offer too many of these and they die and that's it.

Originally posted by spdkilla

Originally posted by Ozzallos

Since i've been continuously receiving their emails, i decided to go back and take a look at a couple. I'd have to agree, they certainly didn't go out of their way to advertise either the Sept 1 deadline or the limited number of slots... Maybe they were somewhere else, but they definitely weren't in their mass emailing campaign

---------------------

We at Cryptic Studios and Atari are excited to announce our Champions Online six-month and lifetime subscription plans. Players who sign up for our long-term subscriptions will receive special perks, including eight additional character slots, special costume sets and guaranteed access to the Star Trek Online closed beta!

"Beyond the deep discount on the subscription rates, we wanted to come up with added incentives and exclusives that, as gamers, we could get excited about," said Jack Emmert, Cryptic Studios' Chief Operating Officer. "With an early commitment to Champions Online, granting guaranteed early access to our next big game, Star Trek Online, seemed like a great way to engage Cryptic’s biggest fans in other projects at the studio.”

Here are the great features our loyal customers will receive.

Discounted Lifetime Subscription

* Guaranteed Star Trek Online Closed Beta Access
* Eight Additional Character Slots
* Foxbat Vanity Pet
* Art Deco Costume Set
* Retro Future Costume Set
* STO Mirror Universe Costume Set

Discounted Six-month Subscription

* Guaranteed Star Trek Online closed beta access
* Retro Future Costume Set

Don’t miss out on these great deals! You can purchase your subscriptions now!

Discounted Lifetime Subscription
$199.99 USD
$219.99 CAN
£119.99 GBP W/OUT VAT
€147.99 EUR W/OUT VAT

Discounted Six-month Subscription
$59.99 USD
$65.99 CAN
£35.99 GBP W/OUT VAT
€44.99 EUR W/OUT VAT

------------------------------

That said, I'll give them something for a formal apology. Not much, but it's better than you'll get from some MMOs.

 

 

 

Not sure about your email but the top of mine said:

SUBSCRIPTION DEALS

Limited Champions Subscription Deals!
August 5, 2009

"We at Cryptic Studios and Atari are excited to announce our Champions Online six-month and lifetime subscription plans. Players who sign up for our long-term subscriptions will receive special perks, including eight additional character slots, special costume sets and guaranteed access to the Star Trek Online closed beta! "

"Beyond the deep discount on the subscription rates, we wanted to come up with added incentives and exclusives that, as gamers, we could get excited about," said Jack Emmert, Cryptic Studios' Chief Operating Officer. "With an early commitment to Champions Online, granting guaranteed early access to our next big game, Star Trek Online, seemed like a great way to engage Cryptic’s biggest fans in other projects at the studio.”

See yellow highlighted word above....

   That said, this was a big mistake on their part for not keeping their customers up to date. They really should have put a counter up on their ads and on the home page and order page as well.  I also agree if they stated the offer ends on Sept 1. then it should have ended on that date or they should have given 24-48 hours notice that they were reaching their cap and would be ending that offer early. They also could and should have sent out e-mails letting potential buyers know what was going on. All in all very poor communication with their potential customers and current ones. They get an F- on this one.

  The following may or may not pertain to the above poster ....Viewer Discretion is Advised....

    I also checked my emails a didn't see a single 1 that said Sept 1. was the cut off date. I think it was more an assumption. I may be incorrect it does happen. If i am I would love for someone to provide me a link  from cryptic.
 

    To those who really wanted the lifetime either you guys are:

1. Really UN-LUCKY (I mean Final Destination unlucky ... watch out for that car engine ouch  ....).

2. Some seriously 1st class Procrastinators  (been going on since at least Aug 5.) 

3. Have real life issues that trump a game which prevented an earlier sub order  ( then why complain online ).

   -  I it is a shame that you missed it ... ( no i didn't buy either Lifetime or 6 month as number 3 was my personal issue).

  note : edited for colors.

     /carry on

LIMITED as in TIME LIMITED, till Sept. 1 

NOTE: They have everybodys E-Mail as we all got this, why then wasn't notification  that they were running out sent out that way?

Why didn't the subscription page state LIMITED QUANITIES?

One post from a moderator buried in the forums, what the article link points to was the ONLY statement to supply

[quote][i]Originally posted by Sorrow[/i]

Ok, I am getting really sick of this.
You feel lied to by cryptic? Who cares.. the original offer post clearly stated they were a limited number and limited run, the email mailing clearly stated limited. The offer was up for plenty of time for you to take advantage IF you ever had any intention of taking advantage.
I am sure there are a handful that planned to take advantage and missed the window, but nothing like the response of hateful angry people posting.
It is sickening how my fellow gamers swarm anything negative they ever see on the forums like a pack of jackels on a wounded gazelle.
I am VERY confident in saying this as I am sure that at least half of the hateful negative posts being made are by gamers who never had any intention of playing champions in the first place and are just angry their free lunch open beta is over and done.
Most of you people disqust me and frankly I am so glad I won't have to put up with liars and whiners like you in game come friday.

edited to avoid more confrontation
[/quote]

First of all - Try using a normal size font.
Second - Heres an idea. Let them defend themselves. You're not Cryptic's lawyer. If you don't like whats being said here - leave.

Nobody is forcing you to read this or click "Post Message". What is the title of the topic? Are these responses to that question posed in the article? Then explain to me how anything you are saying is relevant other than Fanboi Nerdrage. Its not these people's fault that this is just plain shady. If they feel abused they have EVERY SINGLE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN. If you were on the other end, you'd be crying up a monsoon too.

For the RECORD

1.The EMAIL DID STATE THE WORD LIMITED - Upon clicking the link it was expanded (on the OFFICIAL website) to LIMITED TIME - NOT AMOUNT. The devs even posted in the forums that SAME DAY: -

"THESE WILL BE AVAILABLE UNTIL SEPTEMBER FIRST"

Read that again.
Now Read it one more time.

This combined with what they did constitutes FRAUD.
I am not a lawyer, but i DO know how to look up legal definitions and federal law relating to Fraudulent Advertising. Let me explain this so you know exactly why you sound like a total idiot here:

^{_{False advertising or deceptive advertising is the use of false or misleading statements in advertising. As advertising has the potential to persuade people into commercial transactions that they might otherwise avoid, many governments around the world use regulations to control false, deceptive or misleading advertising. Truth in labeling refers to essentially the same concept, that customers have the right to know what they are buying, and that all necessary information should be on the label or made public before the time of purchase.}}

^{_{A bait-and-switch is an offer of a service or product at a very low price (often a loss leader), with little or no intention to sell said service or product as advertised. If available at all, this low price is accomplished by lowering standards on the advertised product, such as guarantees, credit terms, volume, or quality, thereby making it undesirable.}}

^{_{Another method is to offer a "limited" deal, with only a few of the advertised product[s] per store. Once the consumer is in the store, sales personnel will try to coax him or her to purchase a different and more expensive product. This is more common, as it is often legal if there is a disclosure of the limited quantity available both via time and amount. This frequently happens on "Black Friday" newspaper ads published on Thanksgiving in the U.S.}}

Now in small words so you can understand:

By not disclosing (or "telling" people for you) the amount of available subscriptions that were intially posted and sending out marketing mails with a promise of availability on such item and / or service then switching them to a different "limited" method (in this case A figure of time was replaced with a unit count - with NO PRIOR INFORMATION) they have commited fraud. I admit it's barely over the line as they retracted the web page and put a new one up in its place with "time" replaced by "quantity".

As soon as you understand TIME and QUANTITY are 2 different words, you might begin to see the light. ALSO this is NOT the first time that the man in charge of all this has done this.

With your attitude it's ok for a guy to rob you neighbors as long as he doesn't bother you. YOU, sir are why values and integrity are piss in this country. You get what YOU want and everyone else be damned. Honestly. You really have no right whatsoever to open your mouth.Now go play your game while you can. God willing it won't be around long enough for you to get your $200 worth out of it. Then we all get to see you cry because you got DEFRAUDED. Jerk.