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  djnexus

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8/25/09 5:04:30 PM#1

Found this on yahoo pretty messed up hopefully they can get in gear with a vaccine.

news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090825/us_nm/us_flu_vaccine_usa

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  aeroplane22

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8/25/09 5:09:53 PM#2

Take that vaccine and you will be 1 of the 90,000.

Flu, or dangerous vaccine, your choice. Many general practitioners and various doctors are refusing it and are outspoken about it.

Don't get swept up in the fear-craze.

Look up Swine Flu 1976. Yeah, there was a swine flu "epidemic" in 1976, here in the United States. Many people were seriously injured and a lot of people died....  but not from the Swine Flu.

  Zindaihas

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'If you put govt in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 yrs there'd be a shortage of sand'~M. Friedman

8/25/09 5:10:21 PM#3

Not trumpeting that as good news, but considering about 56,000 Americans die from standard flu every year, it could be a lot worse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tK6YIAX1jg

  User Deleted
8/25/09 5:13:14 PM#4

 10 million Americans could die from the Rage virus this year too.  Could being the keyword.

  aeroplane22

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8/25/09 5:13:18 PM#5

Your body has mechanisms in place to fight disease. They fight disease all day long and when you sleep. You'd be surprised how many times you've probably already "fought off" contact with the flu.

Take that vaccine, and you shut that system down and you leave yourself open to everything. It's not an immunization/serum either, it's a supposed "gamble" that hasn't even been tested yet.

  aeroplane22

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8/25/09 5:16:24 PM#6

You need to know what's in it also, if you don't already... these are things you need to know.

Go ahead and look up the government patent files if you want total proof.

Mercury
Formaldehyde
Aluminum
Foreign Proteins
Live Viruses

Straight into the bloodstream baby.

  User Deleted
8/25/09 6:56:49 PM#7
Originally posted by aeroplane22

You need to know what's in it also, if you don't already... these are things you need to know.

Go ahead and look up the government patent files if you want total proof.

Mercury
Formaldehyde
Aluminum
Foreign Proteins
Live Viruses

Straight into the bloodstream baby.

 

Riiiiiite

  HYPERI0N

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Trader of EvE Online since July 2003.

8/25/09 7:23:25 PM#8
Originally posted by aeroplane22

You need to know what's in it also, if you don't already... these are things you need to know.

Go ahead and look up the government patent files if you want total proof.

Mercury
Formaldehyde
Aluminum
Foreign Proteins
Live Viruses

Straight into the bloodstream baby.

Wow so they made a Vaccine out of things that will either poison your blood or kill you Thank you for warning us 

 

Sarcasm off\

If your going to make something up then at least make it believable.

Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981

  Dracus

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8/25/09 7:37:07 PM#9

This flu is believe to kill between 30,000 to 90,000.
Given how the "death toll" has been so far, it will end up doing less than the regular flu. 

So far the death toll in the US is just over 500 and of more than half of those were of people in weakened states of health.
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/update.htm#totalcases


Just media fear mongering.

And that is why...

Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.

  seabass2003

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Joined: 8/31/05
Posts: 4158

Why the hell should I work? She''ll just spend all my money on shoes anyways!

8/25/09 10:40:27 PM#10

More Americans die from a lot of other things. This is pretty much a non issue.

In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.

  Zindaihas

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8/25/09 10:42:59 PM#11
Originally posted by seabass2003

More Americans die from a lot of other things. This is pretty much a non issue.


 

Well not if the number turns out to be a lot higher than 90,000.  That's just an esitmation.  If the number is more like a quarter of a million or even higher, then I would say it's an issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tK6YIAX1jg

  seabass2003

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Why the hell should I work? She''ll just spend all my money on shoes anyways!

8/26/09 12:44:24 AM#12
Originally posted by Zindaihas
Originally posted by seabass2003

More Americans die from a lot of other things. This is pretty much a non issue.


 

Well not if the number turns out to be a lot higher than 90,000.  That's just an esitmation.  If the number is more like a quarter of a million or even higher, then I would say it's an issue.

910,000 Americans die from heart disease. 555,500 die from cancer.  Our population is do to increase by 44% in 42 years. Having another 250,000 people die from swine flu won't do anything but maybe make that number take an extra 2 years. So it's still a non-issue unless of course I'm the one to die from it then I would be pissed. 

Here is a cool list of How Americans Die.

In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.

  aeroplane22

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Joined: 5/31/08
Posts: 730

8/26/09 7:16:31 AM#13
Originally posted by HYPERI0N
Originally posted by aeroplane22

You need to know what's in it also, if you don't already... these are things you need to know.

Go ahead and look up the government patent files if you want total proof.

Mercury
Formaldehyde
Aluminum
Foreign Proteins
Live Viruses

Straight into the bloodstream baby.

Wow so they made a Vaccine out of things that will either poison your blood or kill you Thank you for warning us 

 

Sarcasm off\

If your going to make something up then at least make it believable.


Here, I'll look it up for you, how's that?

www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

Common substances found in vaccines include:

  • Aluminum gels or salts of aluminum which are added as adjuvants to help the vaccine stimulate a better response to the vaccine. Adjuvants help promote an earlier, more potent response, and more persistent immune response to the vaccine.
  • Antibiotics which are added to some vaccines to prevent the growth of germs (bacteria) during production and storage of the vaccine.
     
  • Egg protein is found in influenza and yellow fever vaccines, which are prepared using chicken eggs. Ordinarily, persons who are able to eat eggs or egg products safely can receive these vaccines.
     
  • Formaldehyde is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines, (these are vaccines that use an inactive bacterial toxin to produce immunity.) It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production.
     
  • Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when the vaccine is exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.
     
  • Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.



I never said they "made it to kill you", but those ingredients can kill you or make you extremely ill. Not to mention, probably give you cancer down the road.

 

  aeroplane22

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Joined: 5/31/08
Posts: 730

8/26/09 7:25:59 AM#14

You can go to your doctor and order mercury-free vaccines, especially for your children, as they have a "system" in place for that. However, it takes a long time, because they are "special made" and not to mention, it only comes mercury free, so it still has other trash like MSG, Formaldehyde... etc.

  User Deleted
8/26/09 8:33:56 AM#15

Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.

They do not inject raw mercury into the bloodstream. 

  Briansho

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8/26/09 8:39:19 AM#16

So this swine flu scare is the new avian flu from around 2005? Ahhhh vaccines have mercury, mercury causes autism according to Jenny McCarthy!

Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!

  aeroplane22

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Joined: 5/31/08
Posts: 730

8/26/09 8:46:37 AM#17
Originally posted by LeKinK

Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.

They do not inject raw mercury into the bloodstream. 

 

It is a "mercury-containing" preservative, approximately 49% mercury and 51% other. It is not "fake mercury", it is mercury nonetheless.

It is the same as mercury fillings where they allow "no more than 50% mercury" in the filling. They are called amalgams and they are hardly ever used anymore due to the detrimental effects of said mercury and other metals. Those who have amalgams can have it removed and replaced. You have no choice after it's injected straight into your blood.

  aeroplane22

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Posts: 730

8/26/09 8:59:47 AM#18
Originally posted by Briansho

So this swine flu scare is the new avian flu from around 2005? Ahhhh vaccines have mercury, mercury causes autism according to Jenny McCarthy!

 

Oh please, like anyone gives a shit what Jenny McCarthy says. There are legitimate studies that show autism can be caused from mercury in vaccines. No, there is no proof, but it's there regardless. That's why it's a study and that's why it's argued in the field, because it has grounds.

I'm not talking about autism anyway. I'm talking about the simple fact of the dangerous chemicals in the vaccine, of which can cause just about anything, including cancer.

  Techleo

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Posts: 1934

Is it over yet...

8/26/09 8:59:49 AM#19

    I've never actually had a flu vaccine before. I always get the flu every few years, then I get it for a period of time. Natural immunities for the win hehe. When I go to the Philippines and bring one of there avian flus back , thats a kick in the arse though, first time almost killed me, second time it wasnt that bad, and third time its like a normal flu. So my recommendation, TRIAL BY FIRE!!! Hahahaha

  User Deleted
8/26/09 9:02:05 AM#20
Originally posted by aeroplane22
Originally posted by LeKinK

Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.

They do not inject raw mercury into the bloodstream. 

 

It is a "mercury-containing" preservative, approximately 49% mercury and 51% other. It is not "fake mercury", it is mercury nonetheless.

It is the same as mercury fillings where they allow "no more than 50% mercury" in the filling. They are called amalgams and they are hardly ever used anymore due to the detrimental effects of said mercury and other metals. Those who have amalgams can have it removed and replaced. You have no choice after it's injected straight into your blood.


 

I understand and I wont get the shot either but to be fair, even in the scenario you just mentioned, it's 1 of the ingrediant that is half mercury out of several other. The vials are not 50% mercury.  I mean, you probably get the same amount or more by eating fish from the sea.

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