A: Yes, Star Wars: The Old Republic is a MMO, or “massively multiplayer online game”. Star Wars: The Old Republic will allow thousands of players to explore, adventure, and fight in a single game session.

www.swtor.com/info/faq#347

Q: Can I play alone?

A: While there are some tasks that cannot be completed without the cooperation of others, the majority of the game can be accomplished by playing alone.

www.swtor.com/info/faq#348

So see there you have it, it's an MMO. And unlike EQ2 you won't always need to recruit 5 friends to get beyond level 40, but some tasks will require a group. Seriously, I doubt BioWare is gonna spend nearly 200 million to make a co-op play game and omfg LIE TO US ALL. If this is a co-op game, then so is WoW, so is SWG pre-cu, since you could play that entire game solo.  What some of you folks state is only YOUR opinion not fact, the above FAQ I highlighted is fact.

Will there be instances? sure, no more or less than in any other MMO game out there today I'm sure. Will they make use of phasing? I'm sure, they have talked about it. Most likely most of the content instances will be in the early stages of the game and heroic content. Keep in mind EQ2 had shit loads of instance zoning, more than a lot of games, but oh yeah because you had to recruit 5 people to run a Heroic encounter, that made it an MMO.

I'm willing to bet a lot of games here on this site would lose their MMO card if the standards were set by angry SWG players, which they aren't.

That is all.

:lol:

What a developer says and what a developer delivers are very different things.

Fanboi post #129,416,664

You're grasping at straws.

You have no real information.

Purposely vague statements do not "prove" anything.

Settle down and wait for actual documentation about mechanics before you go spouting off lunacy like "OF COURSE they'll have this and that!"

That's like saying "OF COURSE the government never lies, and Santa Claus exists!"

Most mmo's today are solo based with optional grouping, it's just the way things have become as it becomes harder and to find groups the dynamic has to shift.

Also I'd say the government makes diplomatic statements, meaning they say a lot of words with little meaning, no point, and is just confusing enough that your not sure if they lied or not but you know you just got screwed in some way. Also the 4 part playing thing they just put up on their website kinda shows instances.

Originally posted by Ozryk

Fanboi post #129,416,664

You're grasping at straws.

You have no real information.

Purposely vague statements do not "prove" anything.

Settle down and wait for actual documentation about mechanics before you go spouting off lunacy like "OF COURSE they'll have this and that!"

That's like saying "OF COURSE the government never lies, and Santa Claus exists!"

Absence of proof is not proof of absence. 

Nuff said.

Originally posted by Ragnaven

Most mmo's today are solo based with optional grouping, it's just the way things have become as it becomes harder and to find groups the dynamic has to shift.

 

Also I'd say the government makes diplomatic statements, meaning they say a lot of words with little meaning, no point, and is just confusing enough that your not sure if they lied or not but you know you just got screwed in some way. Also the 4 part playing thing they just put up on their website kinda shows instances.

Not to derail this thread.  But I'm 100% sure the government lies about literally any and every subject (if you want examples and proof, I'd be more than happy to provide)  It's the only thing bi-partisan about our government: their propensity to mislead the general public..  Except about...maybe Christmas ... bastards can't touch my presents and pie!

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by Ozryk

Fanboi post #129,416,664

You're grasping at straws.

You have no real information.

Purposely vague statements do not "prove" anything.

Settle down and wait for actual documentation about mechanics before you go spouting off lunacy like "OF COURSE they'll have this and that!"

That's like saying "OF COURSE the government never lies, and Santa Claus exists!"

 

Absence of proof is not proof of absence. 

 

Nuff said.

Agreed, neither one of us has any clue one way or the other.  But you don't see me making "OMG THIS IS AN MMO. PERIOD. EXCLAMATION POINT. CAPSLOCK" posts.

We all need to just wait and see.

I'm behind you for the most part because I'm not one of those who runs around trying to define the phrase "mmo" into what I percieve it to be but do you honestly think this is a fight worth getting into I agree too that some people will be pre cu swg fans who will never give this game a chance but then what exactly am I accomplishing by getting into useless argument's with them? Nothing.  The haters will hate but I have faith bioware will deliver as they always do and you should to and don't let em bother you so much.

Originally posted by Ozryk

 

Agreed, neither one of us has any clue one way or the other.  But you don't see me making "OMG THIS IS AN MMO. PERIOD. EXCLAMATION POINT. CAPSLOCK" posts.

We all need to just wait and see.

Yeah, sorry. I just quoted your post because it was the last I read. ^^ 

However, to be fair, those supporting the idea that TOR is an MMO at least have the word of the developers (however much that is worth). Those claiming the opposite have absolutely nothing. 

Innocent until proven guilty. I mean, seriously. How much does it hurt to believe the devs when they say it is an MMO with all these features until such time as they either present proof or fail to do so even a week from launch. At which point, these complaints would actually have some substance. 

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by Ozryk

 

Agreed, neither one of us has any clue one way or the other.  But you don't see me making "OMG THIS IS AN MMO. PERIOD. EXCLAMATION POINT. CAPSLOCK" posts.

We all need to just wait and see.

 

Yeah, sorry. I just quoted your post because it was the last I read. ^^ 

 

However, to be fair, those supporting the idea that TOR is an MMO at least have the word of the developers (however much that is worth). Those claiming the opposite have absolutely nothing. 

 

Innocent until proven guilty. I mean, seriously. How much does it hurt to believe the devs when they say it is an MMO with all these features until such time as they either present proof or fail to do so even a week from launch. At which point, these complaints would actually have some substance. 

I disagree.  Those claiming the opposite, too, have the word of the developer.  This nerd-rage didn't spontaneously burst forth into reality out of thin air - it came from repeated stressing by the developers about the single player experience, while glossing over the multiplayer or pvp.

Food for thought.

Why so cynical?

Has Bioware done something that I'm not aware of in the past to earn such cynicism? 

Originally posted by Ozryk

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by Ozryk

 

Agreed, neither one of us has any clue one way or the other.  But you don't see me making "OMG THIS IS AN MMO. PERIOD. EXCLAMATION POINT. CAPSLOCK" posts.

We all need to just wait and see.

 

Yeah, sorry. I just quoted your post because it was the last I read. ^^ 

 

However, to be fair, those supporting the idea that TOR is an MMO at least have the word of the developers (however much that is worth). Those claiming the opposite have absolutely nothing. 

 

Innocent until proven guilty. I mean, seriously. How much does it hurt to believe the devs when they say it is an MMO with all these features until such time as they either present proof or fail to do so even a week from launch. At which point, these complaints would actually have some substance. 

 

I disagree.  Those claiming the opposite, too, have the word of the developer.  This nerd-rage didn't spontaneously burst forth into reality out of thin air - it came from repeated stressing by the developers about the single player experience, while glossing over the multiplayer or pvp.

Food for thought.

Hmmm. If we were further along in the production process I might agree. 

As it is, my understanding is that they want to promote the Storytelling experience first and foremost, simply because it sets them apart. It's kind of like advertising your new car. You don't go out and speak at great lengths that it has an engine, four wheels and doors. No, you stress that it has retractable wings that enable you to fly (hah, I wish there was such a car XD). 

But there's nothing wrong in remaining doubtful. Yet, just as the people claiming fact on one side, the people on the other side are equally wrong. Meaning....everyone just has to chill and wait for further updates. XD

Originally posted by singsofdeath

 

Hmmm. If we were further along in the production process I might agree. 

 

As it is, my understanding is that they want to promote the Storytelling experience first and foremost, simply because it sets them apart. It's kind of like advertising your new car. You don't go out and speak at great lengths that it has an engine, four wheels and doors. No, you stress that it has retractable wings that enable you to fly (hah, I wish there was such a car XD). 

 

But there's nothing wrong in remaining doubtful. Yet, just as the people claiming fact on one side, the people on the other side are equally wrong. Meaning....everyone just has to chill and wait for further updates. XD

Touché

Originally posted by Ozryk

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by Ozryk

 

Agreed, neither one of us has any clue one way or the other.  But you don't see me making "OMG THIS IS AN MMO. PERIOD. EXCLAMATION POINT. CAPSLOCK" posts.

We all need to just wait and see.

 

Yeah, sorry. I just quoted your post because it was the last I read. ^^ 

 

However, to be fair, those supporting the idea that TOR is an MMO at least have the word of the developers (however much that is worth). Those claiming the opposite have absolutely nothing. 

 

Innocent until proven guilty. I mean, seriously. How much does it hurt to believe the devs when they say it is an MMO with all these features until such time as they either present proof or fail to do so even a week from launch. At which point, these complaints would actually have some substance. 

 

I disagree.  Those claiming the opposite, too, have the word of the developer.  This nerd-rage didn't spontaneously burst forth into reality out of thin air - it came from repeated stressing by the developers about the single player experience, while glossing over the multiplayer or pvp.

Food for thought.

Not much food for thought, really. Well-worn features of the genre not being the subject of focus in the early reveals where the arguably innovative features are being discussed cannot be taken as a valid reason for their inexistence. In fact, it's nowhere near "the word of the developers" on the scale of convincing.

Believing a development house with good reputation on the fundamentals of their game is normal. Thinking they are lying and trying to make proof out of "the unmentioned" is not, it's just conspiracy-theorizing. Oh, but maybse that's the "new normal" now.

I'm hungry.

Originally posted by singsofdeath

As it is, my understanding is that they want to promote the Storytelling experience first and foremost, simply because it sets them apart.

Exactly. Story of this scale is something they are wanting to show off first, people constantly scream for innovation. A fully voiced, story focused "MMO" is the right step in that direction. It's true that story does not make this game a MMO. In the future with more information and actual video displaying more game play,  will be the time for us to make that ultimate deciding factor.

/food

I agree with you 100% Tillamook.

I haven't been as active on this forum recently simply because there are SO MANY trolls posting about how this is not an MMO without a shred of proof. It was driving me crazy constantly attempting to logically discuss the facts when so many people do nothing but post these rant threads about how the game is not a real MMO or how it fails already because its not SWG2...

I am glad to see that there are some others around here with an open mind and a positive attitude. I personally can't wait to try the game.

Originally posted by tillamook

A: Yes, Star Wars: The Old Republic is a MMO, or “massively multiplayer online game”. Star Wars: The Old Republic will allow thousands of players to explore, adventure, and fight in a single game session.

www.swtor.com/info/faq#347

Q: Can I play alone?

A: While there are some tasks that cannot be completed without the cooperation of others, the majority of the game can be accomplished by playing alone.

www.swtor.com/info/faq#348

 

So see there you have it, it's an MMO. And unlike EQ2 you won't always need to recruit 5 friends to get beyond level 40, but some tasks will require a group. Seriously, I doubt BioWare is gonna spend nearly 200 million to make a co-op play game and omfg LIE TO US ALL. If this is a co-op game, then so is WoW, so is SWG pre-cu, since you could play that entire game solo.  What some of you folks state is only YOUR opinion not fact, the above FAQ I highlighted is fact.

Will there be instances? sure, no more or less than in any other MMO game out there today I'm sure. Will they make use of phasing? I'm sure, they have talked about it. Most likely most of the content instances will be in the early stages of the game and heroic content. Keep in mind EQ2 had shit loads of instance zoning, more than a lot of games, but oh yeah because you had to recruit 5 people to run a Heroic encounter, that made it an MMO.

I'm willing to bet a lot of games here on this site would lose their MMO card if the standards were set by angry SWG players, which they aren't.

 

That is all.

*claps* I take it you're getting sick of the crap too.

Originally posted by solarine

Why so cynical?

Has Bioware done something that I'm not aware of in the past to earn such cynicism? 

 

 

 

No, Bioware have not.

Burt the hands of their lords and masters at LA and EA are red with the blood of  a thousand dashed hopes and dreams.