From recent add we could see here on mmorpg.com we can see claiming:

"Participates in the largest Battles and Siegest ever experienced in a MMORPG"

Apart from fact it is obviously not true, how big are those after couple months and improvements from launch?

How how does citites improved?

Originally posted by Gdemami

From recent add we could see here on mmorpg.com we can see claiming:

"Participates in the largest Battles and Siegest ever experienced in a MMORPG"

Apart from fact it is obviously not true, how big are those after couple months and improvements from launch?

How how does citites improved?

Battles im not sure about, last couple on NA were not that big, mabye 100 vs 150 is the biggest in recent weeks. At EU release they had some 600+ battles, which did not work out at all.

Cities? frankly i cant tell you much about them, other then i personally feel they are the biggest waste of a timesink in the game. Cities take huge numbers of resources, for very little return. They offer very little positive benifit,outside of resources, and advanced trainers. Some have the ability to build ships, or warhulks, which are an additional absurd ammount of resources as well. Cities are not all abad, they give access to clans to claim a geographic area, and the ability to gain access to pve spawns relatively easy. But the only defense potential for a city is having a massive number of players online at all times, and even then its so easy to play the role of attacker in this game,that defense is relatively meaningless, unless you know your enemy is coming ahead of time.

When they made that quote I don t think they took DAOC into account or even tried it. Had many battles bigger then that in DAOC.

Originally posted by Leucent

When they made that quote I don t think they took DAOC into account or even tried it. Had many battles bigger then that in DAOC.

I've been in, and witnessed, many sieges in Lineage 2 with more than that. 

It still amazes me that they're pushing that about DF as though it's really the only - much less the first - MMO to have large battles like that. They missed the boat to make that claim years ago.

Ah well.. it's old news by now that AV, particularly Tasos, will say whatever sounds good.. Whether it's true, or even close to the truth, is irrelevant. If it sounds good, they'll say it, and the rabid fans will swear it as gospel ('til it's proven wrong, then they pretend it was never said at all, or that they actually meant something different).

they have been claiming to have the largest pvp fights for a while. Funny thing is they refuse to acknowledge eve's 1800+ fleet battles as if they never existed.

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

they have been claiming to have the largest pvp fights for a while. Funny thing is they refuse to acknowledge eve's 1800+ fleet battles as if they never existed.

Ahhh the rabid fans have already tried their "Ace Card" on that one...

"Well, Eve doesn't have terrain, so it doesn't count"

The wheels on their Goal Post are always well oiled; they're ready to move it on a moment's notice.

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

they have been claiming to have the largest pvp fights for a while. Funny thing is they refuse to acknowledge eve's 1800+ fleet battles as if they never existed.

Ahhh the rabid fans have already tried their "Ace Card" on that one...

"Well, Eve doesn't have terrain, so it doesn't count"

The wheels on their Goal Post are always well oiled; they're ready to move it on a moment's notice.

 

EVE Online doesn't have terrain. It can count if you want it to, but Darkfalls sieges are alot more impressive in my eyes.

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Originally posted by WSIMike

Ahhh the rabid fans have already tried their "Ace Card" on that one...

"Well, Eve doesn't have terrain, so it doesn't count"

The wheels on their Goal Post are always well oiled; they're ready to move it on a moment's notice.
 

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Darkfall having a terrain is some new joke?

Are you actualy implying that Darkfall graphics is so advanced, demanding and stressing client HW so much that it limits the game from massive battles and EVE got less polygons and worse graphics so it can run +1000 men battles with ease?

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by WSIMike

Ahhh the rabid fans have already tried their "Ace Card" on that one...

 

"Well, Eve doesn't have terrain, so it doesn't count"

The wheels on their Goal Post are always well oiled; they're ready to move it on a moment's notice.
 

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Darkfall having a terrain is some new joke?

Are you actualy implying that Darkfall graphics is so advanced, demanding and stressing client HW so much that it limits the game from massive battles and EVE got less polygons and worse graphics so it can run +1000 men battles with ease?

The branch of a tree can stop an arrow in its tracks. Players can jump onto, behind and off of items in the world. Spells, melee attacks and archery is aimed using the mouse whilst controlling the direction of your character with the keyboard. Minute movements (such as hiding behind a tree to dodge arrows, spells etc) can save your life. It seems to me like this is little more complex than EVE.

Just so you know - I consider EVE to be one of the greatest MMO's ever made.

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Originally posted by GeniusSage
 
The branch of a tree can stop an arrow in its tracks. Players can jump onto, behind and off of items in the world. Spells, melee attacks and archery is aimed using the mouse whilst controlling the direction of your character with the keyboard. Minute movements (such as hiding behind a tree to dodge arrows, spells etc) can save your life. It seems to me like this is little more complex than EVE.
Just so you know - I consider EVE to be one of the greatest MMO's ever made.

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You should make up your mind wheter you talk about polygons or physics, which is EVE definately not being left behind - tracking, speeds, drones, missiles, etc.
Both are processed differently.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by GeniusSage
 
The branch of a tree can stop an arrow in its tracks. Players can jump onto, behind and off of items in the world. Spells, melee attacks and archery is aimed using the mouse whilst controlling the direction of your character with the keyboard. Minute movements (such as hiding behind a tree to dodge arrows, spells etc) can save your life. It seems to me like this is little more complex than EVE.
Just so you know - I consider EVE to be one of the greatest MMO's ever made.

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You should make up your mind wheter you talk about polygons or physics, which is EVE definately not being left behind - tracking, speeds, drones, missiles, etc.
Both are processed differently.

Mainly physics. EVE hardly involves the same level of collision-detection as Darkfall... The large battles in Darkfall are very impressive.

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Originally posted by GeniusSage
 
Mainly physics. EVE hardly involves the same level of collision-detection as Darkfall... The large battles in Darkfall are very impressive.

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Hardly does Darkfall. The collision detection is very simple in this case. No bouncing means no trajectory or speed calculations, etc., it is only about move or stop.
Also not that many things collide at the same time.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by WSIMike

Ahhh the rabid fans have already tried their "Ace Card" on that one...

 

"Well, Eve doesn't have terrain, so it doesn't count"

The wheels on their Goal Post are always well oiled; they're ready to move it on a moment's notice.
 

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Darkfall having a terrain is some new joke?

Are you actualy implying that Darkfall graphics is so advanced, demanding and stressing client HW so much that it limits the game from massive battles and EVE got less polygons and worse graphics so it can run +1000 men battles with ease?

Umm... no... 

-sigh- Do I seriously have to explain this?

Okay...

DF fans have claimed - along with Tasos - that DF has the largest PvP battles in any MMO. Note the complete lack of qualifiers outside of  "MMO".

However that claim was quickly shot down by the fact that Eve Online has had much larger PvP encounters, and on a more frequent basis.

So... True to form, the rabid fans go into full-on spin mode. They move the goal post further down field and add a qualifier *after* the fact by saying "Well... Eve doesn't count because it doesn't have terrain and DF does..."

If Eve Online did have terrain in the game and had still had larger battles, they'd find some *other* qualifier to add after the fact, thus moving the goal post even farther.

The point is...
If you have to keep changing the conditions, adding qualifiers and moving the goal post to make a claim seem true, there isn't much to the claim in the first place.

For rabid DF fans... the goal post never stops moving.

What the fuck? Why would anyone say that Darkfall has the largest MMO battles, it certainly has large battles but not the largest. How about you haters quit blaming the fans about saying that? Maybe the trolls that try to act like fans and exaggerating everything on purpose

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Originally posted by WSIMike

Umm... no... 

-sigh- Do I seriously have to explain this?

Okay...

DF fans have claimed - along with Tasos - that DF has the largest PvP battles in any MMO. Note the complete lack of qualifiers outside of  "MMO".

However that claim was quickly shot down by the fact that Eve Online has had much larger PvP encounters, and on a more frequent basis.

So... True to form, the rabid fans go into full-on spin mode. They move the goal post further down field and add a qualifier *after* the fact by saying "Well... Eve doesn't count because it doesn't have terrain and DF does..."

If Eve Online did have terrain in the game and had still had larger battles, they'd find some *other* qualifier to add after the fact, thus moving the goal post even farther.
The point is...
If you have to keep changing the conditions, adding qualifiers and moving the goal post to make a claim seem true, there isn't much to the claim in the first place.

For rabid DF fans... the goal post never stops moving.

 

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I didn't mean it as an attack on you or such, just can't really believe someone would be so dumb and use it as an 'argument'.

While EVE got no terrain, they 'filled' the room with detailed objects. Mid sized cruiser got over 5 000 polygons, some station reach to 40k polygons so while there is no terrain, there's lots of polygons on battlefield.

However, polygon calculations are not really an issue with current gfx cards.

But yeah, that's what rabid fans are for, I guess...

Back to topic.

It's really sad to see no deeper mechanics in city sieges and territorial wars as it seems so. I always viewed this as a strong part(potentionaly) about Darkfall.

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

What the fuck? Why would anyone say that Darkfall has the largest MMO battles, it certainly has large battles but not the largest. How about you haters quit blaming the fans about saying that? Maybe the trolls that try to act like fans and exaggerating everything on purpose

Heh... you might want to check out DarkFall's web site:

"The largest MMORPG battles ever - involving thousands. "

www.darkfallonline.com/index.html

That's not coming from some "troll" or anyone exaggerating... it's from Tasos and the game's own web site.   Looking forward to your explanation. 

Eve and Lineage 2 are just point at click games, not 3d fps which is way more complicated. In clicking games ur point of movement is easy determined by where u click, moving with keys is a lot different, and involves alot more.

And regardless of what you may think, the combat is just animations calculated by stats and formula. There are no physics in eve AT ALL, so dont kid yourself. Darkfalls battles are an achievement, and they are the largest of its game type.

Originally posted by goofy3k

Eve and Lineage 2 are just point at click games, not 3d fps which is way more complicated. In clicking games ur point of movement is easy determined by where u click, moving with keys is a lot different, and involves alot more.

Umm...

You do realize that the quote I have in the post above yours is also on the web site... right?

"The largest MMORPG battles ever - involving thousands. "

Heh, I see you edited what you had there before.    You know the part about being "stupid &*%^$%'s for not seeing that it said Join in Epic battles.

Edit:  "Darkfalls battles are an achievement, and they are the largest of its game type."

But that is just the thing... they aren't claiming to have the largest battles "of its game type".  They are claiming to have the largest MMORPG battles EVER.  See the difference? 

Originally posted by goofy3k

Eve and Lineage 2 are just point at click games, not 3d fps which is way more complicated. In clicking games ur point of movement is easy determined by where u click, moving with keys is a lot different, and involves alot more.

And regardless of what you may think, the combat is just animations calculated by stats and formula. There are no physics in eve AT ALL, so dont kid yourself. Darkfalls battles are an achievement, and they are the largest of its game type.

Wow,  The goal posts do have wheels............  Your original post called everyone stupid and that they couldn't read. Then you procedded to nitpick about the first line on the web page instead of the actual line that was taken from the site because you ........wait for it............DIDN'T READ.

This is why DF gets so much flak.  And no, they  aren't the largest. Everyone mentions bigger DAOC or L2 battles as well as EVE battles.  Instead of trying to refute the DAOC or L2 statements they swoop in on EVE.