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I can honestly say that this is the first time I am finally sad to see a wow expansion. The visuals are great and I agree with the previous poster regarding old world content revisted being very cool.

 

Unfortunately with this expansion comes more stat consolidation, more streamlined talents aka no "uniqueness" as a player, hunter pets are all gonna be the same, etc etc

As a veteran MMO player this is a game catering to the casual player and more importantly new subscribers. Heck if I ran Blizzard I would do the same thing so I can't be mad. It reminds me of your favorite band "selling out". The music is still decent but you can never look at them with the same awe and admiration.

Goodbye WOW it was a great run we had some great times....

 

HELLO SITH WARRIOR RAWR!!!!!!

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Being that I still play WoW, I am a bit disappointed by the "dumbing down" of WoW even further. I couldn't agree more with Timmay805... May the Force be with us all

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Shhh, dont say heretic things like that, Zorndorf will come talking about himself in third person, accusing you that you hate WoW, call you TOR fanboys, state that TOR will fail like AoC, WAR, DF blah blah, insist that WoW is the gratest game ever, will post the number 60% and wow2 and send you to the outer hell.

Here we go...

Originally posted by wathombe

Nothing anyone said in any panel or any interview would have given anyone the idea that Cataclysm would ship in 2009.  We haven't even seen Icecrown Citadel yet and aren't likely to for many more months.  Anyone who actually thought Cataclysm would come out in 2009 is an utter and complete idiot.

 

 

And any game company that thinks I'm going to run another alt through Outland and Northrend again are complete idiots.

starcraft 2 will be out before Cataclysm.. or atleast I hope, realy need an RTS fix.

Originally posted by protoroc

It will be released to compete with TOR obviously.

If TOR is released earlier than 2011 I'd be upset, that game looks like it is still 2 years off.

2010? I don't believe it.

They're basically making a brand new freaking MMO with this thing. It will be pushed back to 2011 and I wouldn't mind one bit considering the level of polish blizzard has given us with previous expansions and major patches.

Originally posted by Remii718

2010? I don't believe it.

They're basically making a brand new freaking MMO with this thing. It will be pushed back to 2011 and I wouldn't mind one bit considering the level of polish blizzard has given us with previous expansions and major patches.

LOL.  You're funny.

It's normal for Blizzard to take their time to finish stuff. And to announce it rather early. It takes a good half a year just for the larger beta to do it's job, and then the expansion will still be delayed a few times.

Well, the good thing is that this means the release won't be as horrible as AOC (DX10?), but the downside is, that the timespan between announcement and release is very very big.

Originally posted by greymann

Originally posted by Remii718

2010? I don't believe it.

They're basically making a brand new freaking MMO with this thing. It will be pushed back to 2011 and I wouldn't mind one bit considering the level of polish blizzard has given us with previous expansions and major patches.

 

LOL.  You're funny.

Lets see, a totally revamped two continents that roughly are the size of an entire new MMO. seven new zones that are the size of your average Expansion, new races an entirely new attribute and mastery progresstion system, 3 BGs, new arena maps, more pvp zones. New class combinations, a ton of raids and dungeons. A new proff, rated Bgs, guild leveling, cross server Lfg and reward system to match.

I'm sorry but that's way more than your average expansion. This expansion is givng more content than most new MMos give. just look at games like TR, Lotro, WAR and AoC this expansion will give more than any two of these games had to offer at launch.

I agree, I wouldn't have expected it any earlier;  I imagine there is more than they let on in store for WoW players.  Blizzard has a lot to do between now and 2010 and I'd wager that still wont be enough time.

If Blizzard wants to retain subscribers, they will get it out in1Q 2010.  The recent patch and streamling everything into Easy mode is going to burn folks out before the end of the year.

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Originally posted by Remii718

 
Lets see, a totally revamped two continents that roughly are the size of an entire new MMO. seven new zones that are the size of your average Expansion, new races an entirely new attribute and mastery progresstion system, 3 BGs, new arena maps, more pvp zones. New class combinations, a ton of raids and dungeons. A new proff, rated Bgs, guild leveling, cross server Lfg and reward system to match.

I'm sorry but that's way more than your average expansion. This expansion is givng more content than most new MMos give. just look at games like TR, Lotro, WAR and AoC this expansion will give more than any two of these games had to offer at launch.

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The terrain is not guaranteed to change in every zone, many zones are likely going to stay the same terrain-wise but the questing will get the clean up.

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Yes, there are technically fewer brand new zones and fewer levels to level up through - but - in return for this there is a much cleaner leveling experience from start to finish and many other things.

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source: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/19377974222-blizzard-getting-lazy.html

If blizzard decided to keep the attribute system the same, and just add in seven zones, new races and level 85 the expansion would be on par with what Outland and Northrend offered. Now that they are revamping/improving leveling from 1-60 even if only a half of the world is changed terrain wise it will still be a massive expansion.

Originally posted by Remii718

Originally posted by greymann

Originally posted by Remii718

2010? I don't believe it.

They're basically making a brand new freaking MMO with this thing. It will be pushed back to 2011 and I wouldn't mind one bit considering the level of polish blizzard has given us with previous expansions and major patches.

 

LOL.  You're funny.

 

Lets see, a totally revamped two continents that roughly are the size of an entire new MMO. seven new zones that are the size of your average Expansion, new races an entirely new attribute and mastery progresstion system, 3 BGs, new arena maps, more pvp zones. New class combinations, a ton of raids and dungeons. A new proff, rated Bgs, guild leveling, cross server Lfg and reward system to match.

I'm sorry but that's way more than your average expansion. This expansion is givng more content than most new MMos give. just look at games like TR, Lotro, WAR and AoC this expansion will give more than any two of these games had to offer at launch.

Did it say all zones are being reskinned?  Regardless, most of what you offer, just to make your list bigger, has already been done in previous expansions.  Adding more onto wow isn't anything close to a new game although I'm sure they love that some people like to think it is since fans are starting to get impatient for one.

Originally posted by Remii718

Originally posted by greymann

Originally posted by Remii718

2010? I don't believe it.

They're basically making a brand new freaking MMO with this thing. It will be pushed back to 2011 and I wouldn't mind one bit considering the level of polish blizzard has given us with previous expansions and major patches.

 

LOL.  You're funny.

 

Lets see, a totally revamped two continents that roughly are the size of an entire new MMO.

They are not a new MMO, they are the same zones with terrain altered.

 

seven new zones that are the size of your average Expansion,

4 of them being 1-20 starting zones

 

new races

that are in the game for like "since launch" has npcs, so little to no new coding

 

an entirely new attribute and mastery progresstion system

Cant say much about it since they havent said much yet

 

, 3 BGs , new arena maps, more pvp zones.
 

Probably just revamped existing ones, like the new BG they launched thats just a 2 way Wintergrasp

 

 

New class combinations,

Nothing new here, whats the major difference between a night elf hunter and a human hunter at max lvl, and what really did they have new to code?

 

 

a ton of raids and dungeons.

Original? Or just another set of rehashed old content? Lets see

 

A new proff,

Secondary one that awards pets and crap

 

rated Bgs, guild leveling, cross server Lfg and reward system to match.

The lfg thing can be good yes, but its not base for an expansion. The guild leveling once again, remains to be seen more about

 

I'm sorry but that's way more than your average expansion. This expansion is givng more content than most new MMos give. just look at games like TR, Lotro, WAR and AoC this expansion will give more than any two of these games had to offer at launch.

All in all, you will just lvl 5 levels and then, if you want to see new things you have to roll alts, thats hardly a good "expansion" since most of us are already max lvl.

I call it more like a new player experience. weak

Not to mention flying mounts in Azaroth.  Add that to zones that had unused content blocked off by making it too high to reach.  They will either have to remove these unused areas or work them into the game.

 

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The terrain is not guaranteed to change in every zone, many zones are likely going to stay the same terrain-wise but the questing will get the clean up.

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Yes, there are technically fewer brand new zones and fewer levels to level up through - but - in return for this there is a much cleaner leveling experience from start to finish and many other things.

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source: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/19377974222-blizzard-getting-lazy.html

Reading the things the Blue answered I'm getting the feeling that the old areas aren't going to get revamped only altered.

"The terrain is not guaranteed to change in every zone". Change the terrain like adding a gorge or flooding the area, not revamping the zone.

One more thing, I don't believe we are going to see major changes graphical wise if any. It would have been stupid to lets say move from an fresh and updated Elwynn to the old unchanged Westfall.

i'd say they will aim for a winter release but push it back to early summer due to delays/polish.

LOL, wow, this post is silly and pointless. Unless it's meant to point out slow people trying there hardest to fallow Blizz news.

Of course it's not coming out til 2010! Really I'm surprised it's even coming out then, as long as Wrath took to get released. But then again, Warth introduced a new Hero class and allot more new elements to the game, while Cataclysm, will not.

It's kind of Blizzard's thing to announce a game or expansion WELL before it's release. It plays good on them to get the hype going well in advance, but also gives them lots of time to work on it. If anyone did think there was a possibility Cataclysm was coming out as early as this fall, they're either a major noob when it comes to Blizzard Entertainment, or they're just not very bright at all, and probably shouldn't be playing Blizz's games in the first place. They announced SC2 and D3 some time ago, like at least 2 years ago now and they still aren't out yet. So that there should tell people something, shouldn't it?

If I remember right, Blizz said it's set for a 2010 release on the very first day of BlizzCon 09'. Which was what, 3 days ago???

Originally posted by tryklon

Were there people thinking it would come out in 2009?

Come on, its already usual for Blizzard to take forever to release its expansions

originally Blizzard said at TBC they hoped to do one every year, in WotLK, they retold this that they hoped to get the next expansion out sooner than the wait between those.

with the amazing amount of info, footage etc released so fast (both on the site, and at blizzcon) i guess people assumed most of it was done... and almost ready for beta and a christmas release.

Can't blame people for hoping, there's little else to keep you hooked to WoW at the moment... (lich king people are hoping for next patch after Onyxia which is a reintroduction to Azeroth)

in all seriousness, some of the things in the expansion could easily be released just now to keep people hooked (such as the class mechanism changes) .... although last time i checked my quest was completed about a certain dragons head. Seems she's regrew it recently....

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Remii718

Originally posted by greymann

 

 

I call it more like a new player experience. weak

 I know they can call it the "NPE"  LOL