I really like the world changes but I hate the mechanic changes, with the exception to hunters having focus instead of mana, which should have been a no brainer in the first place. I feel like it will hurt classes or specs that use crit, pure AP classes will be overkill and Tanking from what I have seen will be made EZ mode. Also the bonus to spec fully into one tree and punishing you for cross speccing seems more like a gimmick to force Sub rogues and Spriests to take their weak 51 point talents so GC can claim they are popular. Of course it will be what 5 more talent points in the expansion so were looking at 56 point talents they want to show off I imagine. The Mastery system they call it.

                          I also really am at odds with the races they chose, keep in mind I already hate blood elves and I cant stand Dreanei. Mainly because the females annoying scream audio sound. But I could maybe see it, but Alliance demonic werewolves I am trying to understand.  

                            That being said if they don't screw up the pvp to a point it is World of Melee craft I might stay, but not if they give everyone a dispel and silence. This homogenization of class mechanics is making me sick. Also getting very upset they are trying to make tanking so easy.

Originally posted by tachgb

But I'm hugely tempted to return to WoW. Blizzard have just WTF'ed almost every MMO player in the world, and let's face it, we've all played WoW at some point, and they've shook the foundations of their prized game. Brave move, and one that has turned every head, gamer and developer alike. THIS, is how you make an expansion, you just don't add new areas and classes, you alter the game itself in ways most developers wouldn't dream touching because this would be a waste of resources.

 

Almost seems like WoW will be reborn, and I can see it becoming something more.

 

It's nice to see Blizzard making good changes to this game, five years on, and the game seems fresh as it did at release. We know who else does this, CCP with their EVE Online.

 

I'm keeping my eye on Cataclysm.

Look at your past in WOW and ask yourself why you did quit.
Then realize that beside having updated old world landscap, the game mechanics will be strictly identical, class balance wills till be non existant, the goal will still be an hungry race to update your equipment.

The only reason i would reactivate my wow account would be to take some pictures of the updated zones, then i would simply cancel it again.

Hey don't get me wrong I loved WoW and the four years I had there but the one thing that made me finally quit wasn't the, 'free epics' arguement, or the, 'it's 2 hard nerf it', attitude although what did make me quit was the byproduct of those changes.

It doesn't really matter if the xpac is awesome and has great content it'll still have the main reason i quit in there.  That reason?...the same, 'immature, I'm-entitled-becasue-I-turned-up, twelve year old, e-peen stroking', based community which is what the majority of the players seem to be now.

Before you all start I know not everyone is like that and I have made some good friends but when your relying on these people to see content you know it's time to call it quits.

Rant over 

Originally posted by Hyperfish

Hey don't get me wrong I loved WoW and the four years I had there but the one thing that made me finally quit wasn't the, 'free epics' arguement, or the, 'it's 2 hard nerf it', attitude although what did make me quit was the byproduct of those changes.

It doesn't really matter if the xpac is awesome and has great content it'll still have the main reason i quit in there.  That reason?...the same, 'immature, I'm-entitled-becasue-I-turned-up, twelve year old, e-peen stroking', based community which is what the majority of the players seem to be now.

 

Before you all start I know not everyone is like that and I have made some good friends but when your relying on these people to see content you know it's time to call it quits.

 

 

Rant over 

I must admit i ve kept returning to wow over the years but i think your estimation of what the game has become is mostly right . I see this expansion as a bit of a con job . All its doing is tinkering around with the old world . If it had a graphics engine update it would be a real revamp without it this Cataclysm really is nothing more than what you would get in a major patch .

Originally posted by googajoob7

Originally posted by Hyperfish

Hey don't get me wrong I loved WoW and the four years I had there but the one thing that made me finally quit wasn't the, 'free epics' arguement, or the, 'it's 2 hard nerf it', attitude although what did make me quit was the byproduct of those changes.

It doesn't really matter if the xpac is awesome and has great content it'll still have the main reason i quit in there.  That reason?...the same, 'immature, I'm-entitled-becasue-I-turned-up, twelve year old, e-peen stroking', based community which is what the majority of the players seem to be now.

 

Before you all start I know not everyone is like that and I have made some good friends but when your relying on these people to see content you know it's time to call it quits.

 

 

Rant over 

 

I must admit i ve kept returning to wow over the years but i think your estimation of what the game has become is mostly right . I see this expansion as a bit of a con job . All its doing is tinkering around with the old world . If it had a graphics engine update it would be a real revamp without it this Cataclysm really is nothing more than what you would get in a major patch .

Seven brand new zones, 4 brand new raids zones, 7 new dungeons, completely redone talents, item stats, a second type of skill tree to advance beyond max level (archeology), guild leveling system, item customization system (reforging), ladder rating system for battlegrounds, etc.  All of this on top of redesigning over 50 of the original zones with new areas, quests and locations?  

All of that is equal to a patch, but if they reskinned some models it would somehow be equal to an expansion?

I understand that the expansion can look cheap if all you want to focus on is reworking old content, but it really does go outside of the box.  If you really look at the non revamped areas of the expansion it looks to have the normal amount of content one would see in burning crusade/lich king and that is on top of the tons of redesigns they are doing.

This expansion is well outside of my comfort zone, but it also looks to be the biggest expansion to the game yet in terms of volume.  Both old and new. 

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Originally posted by grandpagamer

How is it Turbine can turn out free updates in patches time and again that actually add epic quests, new areas etc.? Their one xpac that required purchase included not only the xpac but the base game as well. SOE also includes all content  with their xpacs. I know Blizz gives free updates as well that include, nerfing and buffing classes but little else. With all the money they are making from however many millions of subs they are claiming this week i would think they could do a little better in the free content department.

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How about Lineage 2 and EVE which both release free expansions every 6 months or so?

Blizzard rips people off because they CAN. Because the average WOWer is completely disengaged from the rest of the MMO genre... they don't know that they're getting robbed, they just keep forking it over because that's what they do for all their other Blizzard games.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Seven brand new zones, 4 brand new raids zones, 7 new dungeons, completely redone talents, item stats, a second type of skill tree to advance beyond max level (archeology), guild leveling system, item customization system (reforging), ladder rating system for battlegrounds, etc.  All of this on top of redesigning over 50 of the original zones with new areas, quests and locations?  

All of that is equal to a patch, but if they reskinned some models it would somehow be equal to an expansion?

 

I understand that the expansion can look cheap if all you want to focus on is reworking old content, but it really does go outside of the box.  If you really look at the non revamped areas of the expansion it looks to have the normal amount of content one would see in burning crusade/lich king and that is on top of the tons of redesigns they are doing.

 

This expansion is well outside of my comfort zone, but it also looks to be the biggest expansion to the game yet in terms of volume.  Both old and new. 

None of which address the biggest downfall to WoW currently; the horrible community. Yes, I know not everyone that plays is like that.  But there are far far far more bad apples in the bunch, that there are good. 

Originally posted by Eben 

 

None of which address the biggest downfall to WoW currently; the horrible community. Yes, I know not everyone that plays is like that.  But there are far far far more bad apples in the bunch, that there are good. 

People are the same everywhere my friend.  If all you look for is the bad in people, that is all you will find.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Eben 

 

None of which address the biggest downfall to WoW currently; the horrible community. Yes, I know not everyone that plays is like that.  But there are far far far more bad apples in the bunch, that there are good. 

 

People are the same everywhere my friend.  If all you look for is the bad in people, that is all you will find.

 

 

 

When all decent arguments against WOW fail (of course they fail, just look at what WOW 2010 will be like !)....

They start talking about the 11.6 M people playing WOW.

Guess what? These people who play 180 dollars a year (well the non Chinese part anyway) are guys like you and me...

Millions of fathers, mothers, their children, brothers and sisters, graddaddys even.

Welcome to society. ----> mainstream video game.

Argument pretty much failed.

Yeah  ive heard this argument  several times but the thing is, you dont have to look for bad people in WOW all you have to do is log in. I cant think of another game where "mailbox sitting "on your latest mount is such a big part of the game. Go to any hub and see the circus. Trade chat is impossible to use due to all the crap flying around. Considering nearly everyone here has played WOW at one time or another, you will have a hard time convincing people that the community isnt  just  horrible.

As a long-time WoW player, I can honestly say WoW has really nice and mature community on servers I play, especially compared to Age of Conan servers I played on (including so-called RP servers). I don't like to generalize much, but those people really look like a bunch of adolescents only too happy to be able to use the most obscene language in chat and not be penalized.

I can almost visualize them showing the monitor to their acne-ridden friends - "look what I can type, cool huh?". Disgusting community to say the least.

I happen to think WoW has one of the more mature communities. There is the occassional bickering and belittling on trade chat and in battlegrounds but they are just a vocal, attention-whoring minority, but overall the individual people you bump into when on quests or in small guilds are friendly/cooperative.

I too was tempted to go back.. in fact I did.. but I'm already bored and dissatisfied again. The news of changing the game with the expansion interested me but like i said, it's still pretty boring... still has a crappy community... and it's starting to look pretty old.. even the newer areas. I'll probably just get Aion or something.. at least it's better looking and has a different feel.

Originally posted by tachgb

But I'm hugely tempted to return to WoW. Blizzard have just WTF'ed almost every MMO player in the world, and let's face it, we've all played WoW at some point, and they've shook the foundations of their prized game. Brave move, and one that has turned every head, gamer and developer alike.

Sorta like what Sony did with SWG with NGE huh...?

Not saying it'll have the same results, just saying it's not as easy to pull off as everyone would think....not even sure if Blizzard is totally aware of what they've done just yet...=/

I played WoW for almost 4 Years in a quite succsseful guild C'Thun Server First Kill included and absolutely nothing in that Cataclysm Add On would make me play WoW again just one damn second...

Keep in mind only a minority of those who dislike WoW are so vocal.

I, too, was tempted to go back to WoW. I quit years ago from my server's top raiding guild. I got excited over the new "old" areas, but then I remembered nostalgia can be a kick in the pants.

I didn't quit WoW because I couldn't fly in the old world. I didn't quit WoW because I thought Auberdine needed a retooling. I quit WoW because raiding was a chore, my favorite flavor of PvP was never to return (ah, original Alterac... I knew thee well), and the Lore - which originally guaranteed my purchase some 6 years ago - has been mangled.

Until raiding isn't the be-all-end-all way of PvE life, until massive 40 v 40 PvP battles exist that requires long-term tactics and strategies, or until the Lore starts making sense again, I will stay away.

I'm anxious to see their new MMO project, however. I'm also excited for a bunch of other games, Dragon Age; Origins being chief among them. If you think it's been a long time since a decent MMO came out, try being a lover of non-MMO RPGs. There hasn't been a decent story told to the depth of the fabled Baldur's Gate II for a full decade, and now I'm pissing myself waiting for November.

Originally posted by tachgb

we've all played WoW at some point

No, we havn't. Still, if you are bored and like Wow just go back.

Any game that change the lead dev will change a lot. Wow would have looked very different if Strain wouldn't have quited halfway in development and the new guy will change the game again. If it is for better or worse is still to be determined, we wont know until the next expansion comes out.

Wow is not the same game it was 5 years ago and it will be very different game in another 5 years. And so will of course most other MMOs. Sometimes the change makes the game a lot better in other times (*cough* SWG)  it instead destroys it.

Try a month and see if you find the game better now then the last time you played it, it wont cost you much money. If it is a lot worse you should probably quit again however.

Some of my Wow playing friends quited recently, they said 99% of the game is way too easy now. Others say the raid they patched in is the best ever so it all depends on what you like.

Originally posted by Egamst3k     If you think it's been a long time since a decent MMO came out, try being a lover of non-MMO RPGs. There hasn't been a decent story told to the depth of the fabled Baldur's Gate II for a full decade, and now I'm pissing myself waiting for November.

I agree except that Biowares neverwinter nights were even better than BG2. RPGs have been superficial MMO clones lately like Fallout 3.

I can't wait to DA:Os release either and I think it will be interesting to see what Bioware can add to the MMO genre. Still Blizzards new game will also be something to keep your eyes out for, I wonder what it is...

op im sory to be the berer of bad news,but cataclysm isnt for tomorrow ,i believe you should do like me stay away till cata is released then you ll truelly miss wow .

plenty of game coming out in september and if you got a nostlagia buzz,and couldnt play various game because your computer wasnt working with some games (like i was ,eq2 anyone)now is the time to try those game out most  have fixed issue but to be on the safe side always trial before just in case your game of choice wasnt fixed