Originally posted by Pezhead

Just to clear a few misconceptions up.

1. AION IS a lot like World of Warcraft.  Simply put, WoW was successful, NCsoft realized this when they set about making Aion, to replicate the success of WoW and other MMOs of today, they pulled together many many elements from many games, several of which are probably noticable right from the get-go, most noteworthy of which-WoW. 

Now you say , Pezhead, you dumb-fuck, AION is NOTHING like WoW except for the two factions.  Respectfully I must disagree.  WoW ushered in an era of MMO's where solo content and heavy quest driven leveling was key to ease the boredom of solo or group grinding.  It was put together to appeal to a much more casual market, and at its peak of 12 million subscribers, it indeed achieved that.  World of Warcraft took all that was successful from previous MMO's, tweaked them and combined them to create the superomfg MEGAZORD! i.e. World of Warcraft.  It didnt do anything revolutionary, except for this.  Take a look at AION, elements from Guild Wars, WoW, Lineage, City of Heroes, DAOC, can be seen quite easily (Quest leveling, art style, customization, RvR etc.)

2. AION's graphics are NOT superb.  They are merely above average, part of this is of course is that the CRYengine is 5 years old, part of it is a lack of detail in certain areas.  However, what sets AION's graphics apart from everything else out there is the way that they are implemented.  Take Age of Conan for instance, probably the most graphically advanced MMO currently availiabe.  However, in addition to killing computers, the graphics in the game are very nitty gritty, neandertahlish, a rather boorish taste if you ask me.  AION's graphics however send a message to players that, not everything has to look ugly, there is beauty even in the scorching desert or within a bustling capital city, and even beyond that, there is elegance.

3. I am NOT an AION hater, I do not like people who say things in ignorance after accusing others of ignorance, and people who make the AION community look worse then the WoW community. 

I played Korean retail as well as been playing English Beta.

Why would you compare to Aion to WoW, when WoW is a complete copy of any other MMO it succeeded?

Aion's graphics are not cutting edge, but make WoW look like the cheap cartoon that it is.

Many WoW players will come to Aion and give up within a week - you don't get a level for logging in in this game.

DeserttFoxx.

I find your ideas intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter. ;)

-DR

Originally posted by Pezhead  

Now you say , Pezhead, you dumb-fuck

Must. Resist....

Originally posted by FunkyLasagne

Originally posted by Pezhead  

Now you say , Pezhead, you dumb-fuck

 

Must. Resist....

^^.

You do realize that EVERY MMO out there can be compared to WoW in some way or another.....and vice versa. So.......yeah. That is all.

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Aion is going quest heavy, because they realize, that unlike their korean audience, the western audience doesnt have the focus to simply slaughter hordes of mobs to progress, unless of course it is hidden nicely in the form of a quest.

Doesnt say a whole lot in the way of intellegence on the player base part if its that easy to fool them.

Originally posted by Spaceweed10

Originally posted by FunkyLasagne

Originally posted by Pezhead  

Now you say , Pezhead, you dumb-fuck

 

Must. Resist....

 

^^.

Why is it that some people need to argue points that no one makes? No one associated with Aion has said it wasn't like WoW after all it's a fantasy MMO and they haven't gone over board saying the graphics are some sort of break through just that they are well done.

So in addition to your points being useless and irrelevant, Pezhead you are a dumb-fuck.

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

I am an Aion fanboy.

 

I am buying this game despite not shattering the mold.

I am buying this game, despite of its vast wow similarities.

I am buying this game, even though by all right, t is bringing absolutely nothing new to the genre.

 

I am buying this game for the only reason that matters... I played it and i liked it.

 

Christ im a fucking moron, i stilll buy games because i like them, and not because they are number 1, or not WoW clones, or for whatever other stupid reason people come up with to roll into another MMO community they dont like only to bash the game, the people who play it, or anyone who plans on playing it in the future.

 

Apparently it just isnt possible to play a game, not like it and simply uninstall and move on, no i need to read your indepth, "i played the game for 1 to 3 hours, so i know more then enough to insult this game and you for liking it" review.

I can just start off by attacking the game for how much of a WoW clone it is, completely showing the rest of the readers, right of the bat, that WoW was probably my first MMO, so i have no idea what i am talking about, because i actually believe WoW brought new features to the Genre, to the point where i actually use the term "WoW Clone" or say things like, "X game is a lot like WoW".

Then i can attack Aion for taking features from every other MMO, mostly WoW, in an effort to make it to the top, but simply over look the fact that 5 years ago, and every subsequent expansion since, WoW has done the exact same thing. And it works, its proven to work,  It works because it is fucking brilliant to take features from other Games that people like and put them in one place, that way instead of people having to look at 3 or 4 MMOs for a couple of different features they find interesting, they just have to look at 1 MMO.

No, I wont call you a dumb - fuck for saying Aion is similar to WoW, not yet anyway. Becaue Aion does have 2 faction at War with each other, and yes, Aion is going quest heavy, because they realize, that unlike their korean audience, the western audience doesnt have the focus to simply slaughter hordes of mobs to progress, unless of course it is hidden nicely in the form of a quest.

Well, here comes that "dumb-fuck" comment creeping up, WoW was never designed to be a casual player game, it was simply trasnformed into one overtime. How you say? Well when you break 12 million subscribers( Which no other MMO in the genre has even come remotely close to doing) You get a lot more customers, alot more morons who have complaints, a lot more voices screaming at you from all angles to change the game in Ways that make them happier. And the sad fact that most hardcore players dont realize is, We are the minority. We may troll the forums, and think a valid response to a well thought out complaint about the game is to say "QQ more Carebear, quit now and give me your stuff", the sad fact is that it is not. The dev team is not going to listen to some jackass who decided to throw down insults over the person who actually has a well written objection, with grammar, punctuation and everything. They are a business, and the customer is always right, so tey will listen to the side with the most unity, and it will change the game. Hence the move to the casual like WoW, with easy grinding, and child like raid instances.

Dammit, you came back to this nonsense about stealing content and features, fine, yes, Guild wars has an interesting skill system, where you quest, and kill and find random skills to mix and match your characters, ncsoft liked that, hell they made it, its their game, so they stole it, Aion calls them stiigmas, slash one reason to play guild wars. 

Then they looked over at lineage 2, a game THEY MADE, the same guys who did lineage and linage 2 made aion, does it really surprise you that 50% of the features resemble lineage 2? the open world pvpve, the fortress seigeing, the tax system influencing the world currency, the lack of mounts, the time consuming travel to add to world size, the world bosses people can just stare at for years with no clue on how to defeat, the list is a lot longer but you get the point, slash a few reasons to stop playing lineage 2.

Then they looked at city of heroes, decided, well, we jut need a detailed character creator, really every MMO company is doing this because the days of 5 faces and 3 hairstyles are over, RvR is a must these days, of course every new MMO is just going to come with that now.

It is not a bad thing to take things that work and put it into your game, its called common sense. If it isnt broken dont fix it, if something is released and recieved well, you add a little check mark too it, and say, "this thing will be in everything then else we make from here on out."

You started bashing aions graphics, and the engine, which leads me to believe you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about in that regard, so ill just ignore it all. Dont get me wrong, that isnt to say you knew what the hell you were talking about before, just this is much worst.

Ive played every beta for most of the new Games coming up, ive yet to feel the need to forcefeed my opinion down everyone elses throat.

If you dont plan on playing Aion, awesome, good luck to you with whatever other game you plan on bashing next.

Aion's cool but after seeing TERA Online boss fight alpha footage, I was convinced that TERA will big the next big MMO, and not Aion.  Seriously have you seen that alpha footage?  It's absolutely HAWT!
 

Originally posted by rwmiller

Originally posted by Spaceweed10

Originally posted by FunkyLasagne

Originally posted by Pezhead  

Now you say , Pezhead, you dumb-fuck

 

Must. Resist....

 

^^.

 

Why is it that some people need to argue points that no one makes? No one associated with Aion has said it wasn't like WoW after all it's a fantasy MMO and they haven't gone over board saying the graphics are some sort of break through just that they are well done.

So in addition to your points being useless and irrelevant, Pezhead you are a dumb-fuck.

 

+1 to dumb fuck.  Nice job, Deserttfoxx

Wow what a waste of his time to type out all that to try and dis Aion. Luckily I didn't read much of it.

Plus who cares if Aion is like WoW. All MMOs are like other MMOs to some extent. I believe a.. duh.. would be suited here. I don't know what you expect to prove. It doesn't mean they are like eachother just because they similairites. But maybe you think they are like eachother.. just depends on your perspective.. but koodos for sharing yours.

And I think the graphics ARE great... so what are you going to do about it? cry some more?

It seems as though a new religion has formed.  I was a WoW player for 2 years and I enjoyed the game, but I also am open to other forms of ENTERTAINMENT that's out there.  The word entertainment is put in all caps to show that this is just what these games are.  Some of us get a little too emotionally involed in them.  I mean, I feel as if I am an Infidel for liking any other game but WoW.  People like all things in life, Please enjoy in moderation.

Originally posted by natuxatu

Wow what a waste of his time to type out all that to try and dis Aion. Luckily I didn't read much of it.

Plus who cares if Aion is like WoW. All MMOs are like other MMOs to some extent. I believe a.. duh.. would be suited here. I don't know what you expect to prove. It doesn't mean they are like eachother just because they similairites. But maybe you think they are like eachother.. just depends on your perspective.. but koodos for sharing yours.

And I think the graphics ARE great... so what are you going to do about it? cry some more?

In all fairness, he doesn't actually diss Aion.  In fact, seems to me he actually likes it but for some ungodly reason feels the need to be the umpteenth poster  to post for the umpteenth time what the majority of us already know.

Heh, I think the fact most aren't bothering to really read his topic and are just hammering into him is a testament of how tiring and overdone this whole debate is getting.

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Aion is going quest heavy, because they realize, that unlike their korean audience, the western audience doesnt have the focus to simply slaughter hordes of mobs to progress, unless of course it is hidden nicely in the form of a quest.

 

Doesnt say a whole lot in the way of intellegence on the player base part if its that easy to fool them.

It is that easy to fool them, you never hear anyone complain about WoWs grind, because it never runs out of quests, if they took away all the quests, and just told you to kill mobs, and you took exactly hte same amount of time to hit max level ( for me it  was an average of 3 weeks per toon) People would bitch and moan about how much of a grind WoW is.

Originally posted by hidden1

Aion's cool but after seeing TERA Online boss fight alpha footage, I was convinced that TERA will big the next big MMO, and not Aion.  Seriously have you seen that alpha footage?  It's absolutely HAWT!
 

When i see one english dev interview involving tera online ill be interest in it, as far as i can tell its just another korean game, superior to its western counterparts, that wont find its way into the english territories.

besides, Have you seen aions boss fights?  this isnt a competition, i could careless who plays what game, im playing aion, have fun in your chosen title, the one thing i dont like are the people who feel the need to bash any title they arent going to play.

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Originally posted by hidden1

Aion's cool but after seeing TERA Online boss fight alpha footage, I was convinced that TERA will big the next big MMO, and not Aion.  Seriously have you seen that alpha footage?  It's absolutely HAWT!
 

When i see one english dev interview involving tera online ill be interest in it, as far as i can tell its just another korean game, superior to its western counterparts, that wont find its way into the english territories.

 

besides, Have you seen aions boss fights?  this isnt a competition, i could careless who plays what game, im playing aion, have fun in your chosen title, the one thing i dont like are the people who feel the need to bash any title they arent going to play.

Yeah I have the game does look pretty impressive animation wise, seen some boss footage too.  Still tho, I think I remember reading someowhere Blue Hole Studio is planning an International-world wide release.  Not sure what that means, if it will first come out in S. Korea, then other countries, of if it's simulteanous.  I'll probablly pick up Aion as we get closer to the NA release in Sept, and probably via steam, but if and (hopefully) when TERA comes out in NA region,  I"ll be the first to drop Aion (and anything else I'm playing).
 

In the least, Aion will fill the gap for me quite nicely till TERA arrives :)

Originally posted by Pezhead

Just to clear a few misconceptions up.

1. AION IS a lot like World of Warcraft.  Simply put, WoW was successful, NCsoft realized this when they set about making Aion, to replicate the success of WoW and other MMOs of today, they pulled together many many elements from many games, several of which are probably noticable right from the get-go, most noteworthy of which-WoW. 

Now you say , Pezhead, you dumb-fuck, AION is NOTHING like WoW except for the two factions.  Respectfully I must disagree.  WoW ushered in an era of MMO's where solo content and heavy quest driven leveling was key to ease the boredom of solo or group grinding.  It was put together to appeal to a much more casual market, and at its peak of 12 million subscribers, it indeed achieved that.  World of Warcraft took all that was successful from previous MMO's, tweaked them and combined them to create the superomfg MEGAZORD! i.e. World of Warcraft.  It didnt do anything revolutionary, except for this.  Take a look at AION, elements from Guild Wars, WoW, Lineage, City of Heroes, DAOC, can be seen quite easily (Quest leveling, art style, customization, RvR etc.)

2. AION's graphics are NOT superb.  They are merely above average, part of this is of course is that the CRYengine is 5 years old, part of it is a lack of detail in certain areas.  However, what sets AION's graphics apart from everything else out there is the way that they are implemented.  Take Age of Conan for instance, probably the most graphically advanced MMO currently availiabe.  However, in addition to killing computers, the graphics in the game are very nitty gritty, neandertahlish, a rather boorish taste if you ask me.  AION's graphics however send a message to players that, not everything has to look ugly, there is beauty even in the scorching desert or within a bustling capital city, and even beyond that, there is elegance.

3. I am NOT an AION hater, I do not like people who say things in ignorance after accusing others of ignorance, and people who make the AION community look worse then the WoW community. 

I played Korean retail as well as been playing English Beta.

My Input for you is this All i have to say is this, You haven't played Aion long enough to make generalizations, Your a wow fanboy if you think wow didn't steal its UI, and a crap load of other things from other games. You dont know that they used the CryEngine V2 for this, not a 5 year old engine, you moron. You don't play on max graphics, and you obviously dont know what abyss gameplay, as well as end-game gameplay is like.

I never said AION was a WoW clone, I never insulted AION and the fact that most of the posts in this thread simply state that WoW is an EQ clone without touching the AION WoW similarities is exactly what I am talking about.  There is NOTHING wrong with having things in common with the most popular MMO in the world, nothing at all.  Likewise, there is nothing wrong with having similarities to less popular games some of which I named already. 

Now i never attacked the game, and yet most people have taken it as a personal insult.  Perhaps  "fanboyz" hit too close to home? Hell, i'm an AION fanboy.  I know what I'm getting into though, you say i am merely stating what "we" already know.  I am saying I stated what many think they know and don't.  It doesnt take a rocket scientist to read that "AION won't be revolutionary" and copy and paste it, but it seems to be a hard pill to swallow that this is because AION borrows things from other games most notable "WoW"? 

As to me playing WoW, my current game lineup does not include the World of Warcraft.  My forte is RTS. 

DoW 2, Empire TW, Company of heroes/OF/ToV, Starcraft(BW). Genesis Rising, Sins of a Solar Empire are what my current games are, with Fallout 3 on the side.  Dont give me that "WoW fanboy" crap.   I realize I opened myself up with that Dumb-fuck comment, but that you took it to heart, also brings back the "community" comment I made.  If this is the face of the AION community, well I finally understand what people from other games go through when trying to post threads in the AION forums. Unwarranted flaming, uneducated posts, posts that respond to the title rather then to the OP itself.

Edit: it seems while i was typing this Kenshin went ahead and posted a comment in ignorance.  WoW indeed stole many aspects of gameplay from previous games, this is part of its success.  What has AION done? "stolen" many aspects unique and popular from other games and combined them JUST LIKE WOW.  Does that make AION an L2 clone? or a Guild Wars clone? No, but it shares aspects with both.  Does that make WoW truly an EQ clone? I don't think so. 

AION is run on a modified version of the CRYengine 1, yet you seem so certain it was on CE2?

http://www.pressemeldinger.no/read.asp?recno=42435

He clearly states that it was the CRYengine 1 they used originally to work on AION.  THIS is common knowledge.

And yes, I run AION on max graphics, my computer isnt the greatest but even a pair of Radeon 3870's in crossfire with a phenom 9850 is more then enough.

Originally posted by Zathoral

I agree with some of the things that you said. I don't consider myself an Aion "Fanboy". I do intend to play the game, and I do thuroughly enjoy the game.

I don't believe that Aion is an amazing game. Aion is a good game, maybe a great game. It is smooth, polished, and has a relatively good amount of content. Aion borrowed a lot from other mmos, including WoW, but WoW also borrowed a lot from other mmos. Every game borrows a lot from other games. WoW didn't really have any revolutionary features either. WoW turned the industry in the themepark direction, but its not like there was never a quest in an mmorpg before. WoW was never an incredibly innovative game.

 Well, Seeing as WoW took alot of elements from previous mmo's. Aion is basically doing the same thing this many years later, and considering the fact it is widely said that aion in it's origional korean release state was better than WoW during the BC expansion having. This from just aions release.

WoW is praised as the best, most amazing MMO ever looked apon even if people disagree. So I think Aion having topped WoW + 1 of it's expansion right out of release makes it worthy of amazing. At least to those who like it. You see, even if WOW has a huge following of people sayying it's the best. They also have people who don't like it at all. Aion will be no different. Some people who don't play aion or don't like it may still say it's good or great from a overall polish/MMO standpoint, but just not their taste. But i'm sure alot of people playig aion will regard it as the best mmo around. Rightfully so as aion has achieved the best mmorpg/rpg in general award. Heres the quote from the article. "Not only was Aion crowned king of MMO gaming, but of all online games present"

Anyone playing this game shouldn't feel bad about calling aion the best because it is in fact good enough that if it appeals to you, it could be the best for ya.
 

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Originally posted by Pezhead

Now i never attacked the game, and yet most people have taken it as a personal insult.  Perhaps  "fanboyz" hit too close to home?

Originally posted by Pezhead

Now you say , Pezhead, you dumb-fuck...

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I think you led some of them to that well to drink with this statement. Why would you insult yourself or suggest someone had a reason to, then not expect others to do it as well?

If you weren't insulting yourself, was this bait for someone to do it? Why would you say for people to call you a "dumb fuck" or insist they do, then be surprised when some posts follow that trail?

It's like a chick saying "Okay, I know some of you guys might think I'm slutty, because I slept with a few guys.."

Originally posted by natuxatu

Wow what a waste of his time to type out all that to try and dis Aion. Luckily I didn't read much of it.

Plus who cares if Aion is like WoW. All MMOs are like other MMOs to some extent. I believe a.. duh.. would be suited here. I don't know what you expect to prove. It doesn't mean they are like eachother just because they similairites. But maybe you think they are like eachother.. just depends on your perspective.. but koodos for sharing yours.

And I think the graphics ARE great... so what are you going to do about it? cry some more?

lol gtfo, you never heard of skimming? I read his whole damn post in 6 seconds. His views on aion are more positive than negative.