Originally posted by Varny

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by Gutboy

Thanks for posting the video, I agree movement pre-cu was better than NGE.

But my point was that NGE movement is VASTLY superior to TOR movement. It's not even close.

 

Like I said it's a work in progress. Really the only other thing I see killing your arguement is that rediculous walk jump in SWG. What is that about? It's like you are climbing invisible stairs. It's not really a jump considering it can't pass over anything, so wouldn't it still be considered walking?

 

Well SWG doesn't have a third Axis so you're stuck to the ground and this has been a major complaint from people. They were thinking about trying to put that in along with collision but the game has lost so many subscribers it's not worth the cost to put it in. 

In the Pre CU there was no jump other than /jump and you'd be standing still and he'd do a animation. However after the NGE trying to get new players in they know people want to hit space and jump. So they did the worst thing ever and used that same animation but allowed you to move while doing it lol.

All it ended up doing was putting new players off and laugh at it.

Any coders out there know how to add an exception into the space bar function so it cancels the run animation and calls a jump animation until the collision detection calls a texture for the footstep sounds? This is exactly how it should work and it's incredibly simple. Those peeps are just lazy.

Originally posted by Varny

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by Gutboy

Thanks for posting the video, I agree movement pre-cu was better than NGE.

But my point was that NGE movement is VASTLY superior to TOR movement. It's not even close.

 

Like I said it's a work in progress. Really the only other thing I see killing your arguement is that rediculous walk jump in SWG. What is that about? It's like you are climbing invisible stairs. It's not really a jump considering it can't pass over anything, so wouldn't it still be considered walking?

 

Well SWG doesn't have a third Axis so you're stuck to the ground and this has been a major complaint from people. They were thinking about trying to put that in along with collision but the game has lost so many subscribers it's not worth the cost to put it in. 

In the Pre CU there was no jump other than /jump and you'd be standing still and he'd do a animation. However after the NGE trying to get new players in they know people want to hit space and jump. So they did the worst thing ever and used that same animation but allowed you to move while doing it lol.

All it ended up doing was putting new players off and laugh at it.

Jump I think was supposed to be the beggining of something new.   One more avenue they spent money on but never followed up on.   I think during the wookie expansion they wanted to add in some questes that would require some jumping and climbing, something they tried to bring in from EQ2.     Its amazing how much wasted time and money SOE spent on LA's dime.     I curse the Devs that spent years trying to balance combat.   Its like watching Don Quijote battle the windmill.   

Originally posted by Kazara

 "Tbh though the game couldn't possibly be any worse than SWG."

 

This. TOR will be what SWG is not - a polished, well supported game by a reputable company with a massive, subscribed playerbase. It will be what it will be, a KoTOR style mmo, and that in itself will appeal to many gamers.

TOR will be WoW in space.

You kids go enjoy your Star Wows. SWG is MUCH improved from when LA forced NGE on SOE. TOR has now these LA devs responsable for NGE.

Just listen to the devs explain how in their New Game Experience players will have ICONIC characters that make them feel HEROIC from the start.

There will be NO valid crafting, or crafting professions, no entertainers, or non combat options, no player housing in the open world, no spaceship game. TOR is NOT the sandbox your looking for. 

Yea Star WoWs will have more subs, but that's because they are vocally going for the WoW crowd.

AS FOR THE LAZY COMMENT...

Bioware DID NOT even make their own GAME ENGINE. THEY SIMPLY ARE USING HEROS JOURNEYs engine.

SOE made SWG from the ground up. With MANY more sandbox elements then TOR will ever have.

Originally posted by Shohadaku

Originally posted by Kazara

 "Tbh though the game couldn't possibly be any worse than SWG."

 

This. TOR will be what SWG is not - a polished, well supported game by a reputable company with a massive, subscribed playerbase. It will be what it will be, a KoTOR style mmo, and that in itself will appeal to many gamers.

TOR will be WoW in space.

You kids go enjoy your Star Wows. SWG is MUCH improved from when LA forced NGE on SOE. TOR has now these LA devs responsable for NGE.

Just listen to the devs explain how in their New Game Experience players will have ICONIC characters that make them feel HEROIC from the start.

There will be NO valid crafting, or crafting professions, no entertainers, or non combat options, no player housing in the open world, no spaceship game. TOR is NOT the sandbox your looking for. 

Yea Star WoWs will have more subs, but that's because they are vocally going for the WoW crowd.

Trolls are FTL. I hope this isn't true though and I don't think it will be. I wish I played SWG when it came out, but it is too late.(Ooo, Ima check out no-hack, pre NGE private servers. What patch number is pre NGE?) I really love the idea of sandbox MMO's. Imagine a Sandbox MMO with very solid PvE such as end-game raiding, open world pvp but also area's that you can just walk to and capture fortresses and other things of the like. Also, since this is for Star Wars, a game where you can have your own spacecraft and engage in space battle pvp. Imagine that, polished, smooth release, minimal bugs, and as close to balanced classes as you can get.

Originally posted by Shohadaku

Originally posted by Kazara

 "Tbh though the game couldn't possibly be any worse than SWG."

 

This. TOR will be what SWG is not - a polished, well supported game by a reputable company with a massive, subscribed playerbase. It will be what it will be, a KoTOR style mmo, and that in itself will appeal to many gamers.

TOR will be WoW in space.

You kids go enjoy your Star Wows. SWG is MUCH improved from when LA forced NGE on SOE. TOR has now these LA devs responsable for NGE.

Just listen to the devs explain how in their New Game Experience players will have ICONIC characters that make them feel HEROIC from the start.

There will be NO valid crafting, or crafting professions, no entertainers, or non combat options, no player housing in the open world, no spaceship game. TOR is NOT the sandbox your looking for. 

Yea Star WoWs will have more subs, but that's because they are vocally going for the WoW crowd.

AS FOR THE LAZY COMMENT...

Bioware DID NOT even make their own GAME ENGINE. THEY SIMPLY ARE USING HEROS JOURNEYs engine.

SOE made SWG from the ground up. With MANY more sandbox elements then TOR will ever have.

With all due respect, you honestly have no clue about anything do you? LA has been hands off of SWG from the NGE on (due to embaressment perhaps?).

You have NO idea what is or isn't going to be in TOR as far as crafting, entertaining, player housing etc. You're just talking out of your ass.

And I'm sorry, but licensing a game engine is not lazy. It's just good business sense. Is Lotus lazy for using crate Toyota engines and the running rings around Porsches twice it's price range? Think before posting next time.

As far as the running while jumping animation, THAT is pure laziness. It's a SIMPLE fix that they haven't done because they have their hands full of game breaking crap day in and day out due to birds nested code that they have no clue how to figure out.

Which I might ad is another reason they're likely to DROP SWG once 'Free Galaxies' is in beta. Fresh clean code (and much simpler in this case) is cheaper to maintain and much more profitable.

Originally posted by Shohadaku

TOR will be WoW in space.

You kids go enjoy your Star Wows. SWG is MUCH improved from when LA forced NGE on SOE. TOR has now these LA devs responsable for NGE.

Just listen to the devs explain how in their New Game Experience players will have ICONIC characters that make them feel HEROIC from the start.

There will be NO valid crafting, or crafting professions, no entertainers, or non combat options, no player housing in the open world, no spaceship game. TOR is NOT the sandbox your looking for. 

Yea Star WoWs will have more subs, but that's because they are vocally going for the WoW crowd.

AS FOR THE LAZY COMMENT...

Bioware DID NOT even make their own GAME ENGINE. THEY SIMPLY ARE USING HEROS JOURNEYs engine.

SOE made SWG from the ground up. With MANY more sandbox elements then TOR will ever have.

1st...SoE brought the NGE upon us, NOT LA. Smedley has admitted on several occasions it was him and another Dev (I believe it was Helios?!) who came up with the idea. I don't have the exact quote any longer, but it was something along the lines of:"He called me into his office to show me what he had been working on and I saw it and thought 'WOW'...but we can't do that can we? But I knew we had to" - again, not an "exact" quote, but you're mistaken...just like "zombies", the NGE was SoE's idea...not LA's. These are facts, no matter what you heard from your buddy.

Star WoWs (ToR), as you call it, is OBVIOUSLY going to go after the WoW crowd...what the hell do you think SWG has been doing since WoWs release? WoW is EVERY MMOs dream. They'd be fools to NOT go after it. Face it...WoW does something right, no matter what you or I think of it, they have more subs on ONE server than SoE has ever had at the height of SWG. I'd be very worried if they were NOT going after the WoW market. There are a lotta games that avoided the WoW model...know what they're called? Failures.

Crafting in SWG is FAR from what it was too mate. The real Crafters left the game long ago. When new players can come in and compete via buffs, TCG loots and easy quest items with 6year vets, the fun is gone for the "true" crafter. All you have these days are alts mate. Don't believe me? Go to the Bazaar, find a few Tailors, send them all emails and see how long it takes them to reply. It's little more than a hobby at best now.

Thank GOD Bioware is using an existing engine. Personally, I think the Bioware RPG engine in all their games like KotOR and Mass Effect is complete **edit**, so I'm thrilled!!! Besides that, it also means many things like...MANUALS! UPDATES! More than just a handful of people who understand it.

Brag about your Sandbox all you like, but for all the things ToR won't have (fairy wings, flying pink Ewoks and zombies to name a few more), it'll have MANY of the things SWG doesn't and NEVER will have!!! Customers being the big one to me ;)

Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw

Originally posted by Shohadaku

Originally posted by Kazara

 "Tbh though the game couldn't possibly be any worse than SWG."

 

This. TOR will be what SWG is not - a polished, well supported game by a reputable company with a massive, subscribed playerbase. It will be what it will be, a KoTOR style mmo, and that in itself will appeal to many gamers.

TOR will be WoW in space.

You kids go enjoy your Star Wows. SWG is MUCH improved from when LA forced NGE on SOE. TOR has now these LA devs responsable for NGE.

Just listen to the devs explain how in their New Game Experience players will have ICONIC characters that make them feel HEROIC from the start.

There will be NO valid crafting, or crafting professions, no entertainers, or non combat options, no player housing in the open world, no spaceship game. TOR is NOT the sandbox your looking for. 

Yea Star WoWs will have more subs, but that's because they are vocally going for the WoW crowd.

AS FOR THE LAZY COMMENT...

Bioware DID NOT even make their own GAME ENGINE. THEY SIMPLY ARE USING HEROS JOURNEYs engine.

SOE made SWG from the ground up. With MANY more sandbox elements then TOR will ever have.

 

With all due respect, you honestly have no clue about anything do you? LA has been hands off of SWG from the NGE on (due to embaressment perhaps?).

You have NO idea what is or isn't going to be in TOR as far as crafting, entertaining, player housing etc. You're just talking out of your ass.

And I'm sorry, but licensing a game engine is not lazy. It's just good business sense. Is Lotus lazy for using crate Toyota engines and the running rings around Porsches twice it's price range? Think before posting next time.

As far as the running while jumping animation, THAT is pure laziness. It's a SIMPLE fix that they haven't done because they have their hands full of game breaking crap day in and day out due to birds nested code that they have no clue how to figure out.

Which I might ad is another reason they're likely to DROP SWG once 'Free Galaxies' is in beta. Fresh clean code (and much simpler in this case) is cheaper to maintain and much more profitable.

For being hands off of SWG, LA sure had a pretty big representation at Fan Faire this year for SWG ;)  There were around 6 LA people floating around the event and participating in some of the panels. 

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw

Originally posted by Shohadaku

Originally posted by Kazara

 "Tbh though the game couldn't possibly be any worse than SWG."

 

This. TOR will be what SWG is not - a polished, well supported game by a reputable company with a massive, subscribed playerbase. It will be what it will be, a KoTOR style mmo, and that in itself will appeal to many gamers.

TOR will be WoW in space.

You kids go enjoy your Star Wows. SWG is MUCH improved from when LA forced NGE on SOE. TOR has now these LA devs responsable for NGE.

Just listen to the devs explain how in their New Game Experience players will have ICONIC characters that make them feel HEROIC from the start.

There will be NO valid crafting, or crafting professions, no entertainers, or non combat options, no player housing in the open world, no spaceship game. TOR is NOT the sandbox your looking for. 

Yea Star WoWs will have more subs, but that's because they are vocally going for the WoW crowd.

AS FOR THE LAZY COMMENT...

Bioware DID NOT even make their own GAME ENGINE. THEY SIMPLY ARE USING HEROS JOURNEYs engine.

SOE made SWG from the ground up. With MANY more sandbox elements then TOR will ever have.

 

With all due respect, you honestly have no clue about anything do you? LA has been hands off of SWG from the NGE on (due to embaressment perhaps?).

You have NO idea what is or isn't going to be in TOR as far as crafting, entertaining, player housing etc. You're just talking out of your ass.

And I'm sorry, but licensing a game engine is not lazy. It's just good business sense. Is Lotus lazy for using crate Toyota engines and the running rings around Porsches twice it's price range? Think before posting next time.

As far as the running while jumping animation, THAT is pure laziness. It's a SIMPLE fix that they haven't done because they have their hands full of game breaking crap day in and day out due to birds nested code that they have no clue how to figure out.

Which I might ad is another reason they're likely to DROP SWG once 'Free Galaxies' is in beta. Fresh clean code (and much simpler in this case) is cheaper to maintain and much more profitable.

For being hands off of SWG, LA sure had a pretty big representation at Fan Faire this year for SWG ;)  There were around 6 LA people floating around the event and participating in some of the panels. 

That might have had more to do with their Free Realms like Star Wars mmo thats been rumoured recently.  Or maybe soe was giving away free punch and pie.

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw

Originally posted by Shohadaku

Originally posted by Kazara

 "Tbh though the game couldn't possibly be any worse than SWG."

 

This. TOR will be what SWG is not - a polished, well supported game by a reputable company with a massive, subscribed playerbase. It will be what it will be, a KoTOR style mmo, and that in itself will appeal to many gamers.

TOR will be WoW in space.

You kids go enjoy your Star Wows. SWG is MUCH improved from when LA forced NGE on SOE. TOR has now these LA devs responsable for NGE.

Just listen to the devs explain how in their New Game Experience players will have ICONIC characters that make them feel HEROIC from the start.

There will be NO valid crafting, or crafting professions, no entertainers, or non combat options, no player housing in the open world, no spaceship game. TOR is NOT the sandbox your looking for. 

Yea Star WoWs will have more subs, but that's because they are vocally going for the WoW crowd.

AS FOR THE LAZY COMMENT...

Bioware DID NOT even make their own GAME ENGINE. THEY SIMPLY ARE USING HEROS JOURNEYs engine.

SOE made SWG from the ground up. With MANY more sandbox elements then TOR will ever have.

 

With all due respect, you honestly have no clue about anything do you? LA has been hands off of SWG from the NGE on (due to embaressment perhaps?).

You have NO idea what is or isn't going to be in TOR as far as crafting, entertaining, player housing etc. You're just talking out of your ass.

And I'm sorry, but licensing a game engine is not lazy. It's just good business sense. Is Lotus lazy for using crate Toyota engines and the running rings around Porsches twice it's price range? Think before posting next time.

As far as the running while jumping animation, THAT is pure laziness. It's a SIMPLE fix that they haven't done because they have their hands full of game breaking crap day in and day out due to birds nested code that they have no clue how to figure out.

Which I might ad is another reason they're likely to DROP SWG once 'Free Galaxies' is in beta. Fresh clean code (and much simpler in this case) is cheaper to maintain and much more profitable.

For being hands off of SWG, LA sure had a pretty big representation at Fan Faire this year for SWG ;)  There were around 6 LA people floating around the event and participating in some of the panels. 

Man why do people still go to them SOE fanfaires?

You ruined..

SWG
PS
EQ
EQ2

The rest of your games were never any good!


It's like :\ Why would you be an SOE fan anymore?

     I loved pre cu and even liked pre nge swg but its character movement sucked. Remember when they added that floaty jump that is still there as of a few months ago when i went back just to remind myself of why i left. And the movement still sucks and im just fine with you adding this reply to the elbows and assholes of opinion posting.

Yeh my friend tried SWG after the NGE when they added space to jump and he pressed space laughed at it and quit.

Originally posted by Varny

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw

Originally posted by Shohadaku

Originally posted by Kazara

 "Tbh though the game couldn't possibly be any worse than SWG."

 

This. TOR will be what SWG is not - a polished, well supported game by a reputable company with a massive, subscribed playerbase. It will be what it will be, a KoTOR style mmo, and that in itself will appeal to many gamers.

TOR will be WoW in space.

You kids go enjoy your Star Wows. SWG is MUCH improved from when LA forced NGE on SOE. TOR has now these LA devs responsable for NGE.

Just listen to the devs explain how in their New Game Experience players will have ICONIC characters that make them feel HEROIC from the start.

There will be NO valid crafting, or crafting professions, no entertainers, or non combat options, no player housing in the open world, no spaceship game. TOR is NOT the sandbox your looking for. 

Yea Star WoWs will have more subs, but that's because they are vocally going for the WoW crowd.

AS FOR THE LAZY COMMENT...

Bioware DID NOT even make their own GAME ENGINE. THEY SIMPLY ARE USING HEROS JOURNEYs engine.

SOE made SWG from the ground up. With MANY more sandbox elements then TOR will ever have.

 

With all due respect, you honestly have no clue about anything do you? LA has been hands off of SWG from the NGE on (due to embaressment perhaps?).

You have NO idea what is or isn't going to be in TOR as far as crafting, entertaining, player housing etc. You're just talking out of your ass.

And I'm sorry, but licensing a game engine is not lazy. It's just good business sense. Is Lotus lazy for using crate Toyota engines and the running rings around Porsches twice it's price range? Think before posting next time.

As far as the running while jumping animation, THAT is pure laziness. It's a SIMPLE fix that they haven't done because they have their hands full of game breaking crap day in and day out due to birds nested code that they have no clue how to figure out.

Which I might ad is another reason they're likely to DROP SWG once 'Free Galaxies' is in beta. Fresh clean code (and much simpler in this case) is cheaper to maintain and much more profitable.

For being hands off of SWG, LA sure had a pretty big representation at Fan Faire this year for SWG ;)  There were around 6 LA people floating around the event and participating in some of the panels. 

 

Man why do people still go to them SOE fanfaires?

You ruined..

SWG
PS
EQ
EQ2

The rest of your games were never any good!


It's like :\ Why would you be an SOE fan anymore?

Because fan faire is a blast?  Honestly, I had a great time getting to meet people in RL that play the game, especially people I know from my server.  I'm sure I'll be back in the future :)
 

Originally posted by Varny

Animations are still to be worked on, they do look horrible but the game isn't released yet.

Bioware have made it clear they're making a Bioware game and not a copy of everyother mmorpg out there. So what Bioware do well is voice acting and making decisions so if you don't like previous Bioware games then you wont like swtor.

 

Tbh though the game couldn't possibly be any worse than SWG.

This is true , Bioware never fail to deliver. And they will deliver on gameplay which is what will ensure TOR succeeds. It's about time that a few MMOs had some real storyline and depth, sick of developers churning out Arena games under the guise of MMOs that fail near immediatley.

Originally posted by Psythos

     I loved pre cu and even liked pre nge swg but its character movement sucked. Remember when they added that floaty jump that is still there as of a few months ago when i went back just to remind myself of why i left. And the movement still sucks and im just fine with you adding this reply to the elbows and assholes of opinion posting.

I have a friend who intentionally jumps constantly because he knows how much I loathe the animation. Still, if they adjusted the running animation back to its previous iteration (and didn't make characters jump by default when pressing the space bar), I'd be very happy. (I've finally reactivated my subscription just because I love Star Wars so much.)

Unfortunately, from what I have observed, it seems as if the most acerbic critics of TOR are the Star Wars fans themselves. I suppose that I naively hoped that people would be grateful that another MMO based on the Star Wars IP would be released by a renowned company such as Bioware.

Perhaps I thought that the most vehement opposition in relation to The Old Republic would be comprised of fans from "rival" MMOs --you know, the people who inundate the forums with "OMG tis sux!!11" on launch day, subsequently stating that they're returning to <insert MMO of choice here> which they tearfully left in hope that the new MMO would offer them a "fresh start" in a new game, but only now discovered that they wasted the remainder of their mother's credit card on a piece of garbage (even though they had plenty of time to play the open beta test) that will serve as a "drink coaster" --unless they purchased a digital copy, in which case they're suing for false advertising-- while they play <insert MMO of choice here> happily basking in the warm glow of the in-game sunlight, knowing that the newly released MMO must be "epic failz" since they personally didn't enjoy it.

Don't believe me? I bet TOR's forums will resemble the convoluted mess I described above on launch day, albeit without the hyperbole I utilized. Heh. (Although I HAVE heard the drink coaster and lawsuit lines a few times!)

(I know TOR won't be perfect, and that it may not be tailored to certain individuals'  play-styles, but that doesn't mean that I won't enjoy it. I've been wanting another Star Wars game that possesses actual depth in terms of a detailed storyline/plot for some time.)

But, then again, I'm a girl who actually enjoyed the Bounty Hunter game on the PS2, so I guess I'll have to rescind my previous statement about maintaining objectivity. The only Star Wars related games I haven't played are the Lego games for patently obvious reasons; The Force Unleashed because my 360 broke; and the hand-held games due to the fact that I prefer to have excellent graphics when playing action-based, offline games.

 im attempting to play the SWG trial but everytime the loading screen stucks at "generating terrain"  :(  anyone knows how to fix this?  

regards,

vlad

Originally posted by Varny

Man why do people still go to them SOE fanfaires?

You ruined..

SWG
PS
EQ
EQ2

The rest of your games were never any good!


It's like :\ Why would you be an SOE fan anymore?

You haven't got a clue.... In your opinion maybe but it is just that.

Originally posted by Isane

Originally posted by Varny

Man why do people still go to them SOE fanfaires?

You ruined..

SWG
PS
EQ
EQ2

The rest of your games were never any good!


It's like :\ Why would you be an SOE fan anymore?

You haven't got a clue.... In your opinion maybe but it is just that.

 

Yet most people will agree with me that they all suck now.

I just watched the "trooper" video from TOR, and wow:

What, your hips don't swivel like a turret when you're running around?

See the mobs warp through a wall and then magically reappear in front of the barrier?

If you ever thought WoW's human male carrot-ass run was bad...

Bioware have somehow regressed a decade in game development on an aesthetic level.

See for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WczqpbH0TV8

Oh and having a toon die during a demo.............................................. priceless

I must say that movement system inside of tor, its a big improvement over $WG's thanks for posting the link.

As far as dieing in a demo it beats not having an npc that's a key part of a quest show up.  also that was a known bug for a wile after that.

But hey enjoy your game.

I am enjoying SWG, and you make sure you enjoy TOR.