Originally posted by jimsmith08

FOs combat makes Darkfalls look good.

I haven't played Darkfall, but it does look they use a similar type of combat?  I think FE might get much better when using real guns, like in the tutorial, but the weapons newbies get give the whole game a bad first impression.  I think they'd do better to get over the formula of starting new characters out at such extreme incompetence.

Give new characters access to real guns.  And basic clothing options.  Don't tell us we have to spend a few hours levelling, just to learn how to wear better sneakers.  Make players work for the really cool equipment, but raise the bar players start at to a point where the game can be fun right away. 

Right now, it's not.  That's fine for the fans who are going to persevere regardless, but for players who are going to judge the game on how much fun it feels from the beginning, they're just shooting themselves in the foot, with those crappy zip guns, nerf crossbows, and wiffle-ball melee weapons. The combat mechanics alone just aren't good enough to make that crap fun to work through.

Originally posted by Devalon

Originally posted by PapaB34R

Originally posted by Devalon

I never even heard of this game till I hop into beta yesterday.

The characters look alright for today standard but the world was lacking... the polygon count.The animations needed a lot of work but It did have the apocalypse feel to it.

1I seen nothing wrong with the "FPS" here. It felt just as much fps as planetside did to me. You got to remember it an mmo. Im sure they are limited on what they can do here. 

One thing is the Engine does feel... clunky.  This includes combat. This should be there prime focus for sept release or no one will enjoy it. You'll have to play it to really understand how it feels. AI has some issues with pathing. The humans AI did sidestep. I don't know if this was a bug or actually sidestep though.

Also I seen worst UI this one is rough for today age. It feels like the old EQ and DAoC UI's.

Anyway, I enjoyed playing this game more then Aion and Champion combine. 2The feel of an apocalypse world with this style combat was more fun and original.The crafting made it even more fun. The cooking craft was important right from get go. You wanted health and the stamina regen buffs. It was nice.

The character AP system felt unique and 3better then Aion and Champions online characters classes/customization. 

One thing. 4This feels like an Indie mmo and strongly encourage younger players who were spoil by WoW polishness to stay away.

I wish these guys had more of a budget to polish the game up but I seen more people buy  the darkfall crap who didn't even had the balls to allow open beta.

 Edit: added in combat thoughts.

I hope this game good luck. If they polish enough by sept 15 I might buy it over Aion.

 

1:Right, feels like Planetside eh... clearly you have never played Planetside, or your too drunk to remember the actual gameplay of FE. Planetside was so much more on the game mechanic side, it actually resembled a FPS game. Which FE doesnt, it could be insulting for Planetside fans to compare FEs combat with theirs.

2:The style was much more fun and orginal compared to Aion/CO, ye orginal for sure, more fun... only if your a maschosist, what kind of statement is that, bullshit.

3:Oh and better then COs character custimation system... oh dear now your really on deep waters, I actually liked the custimation system in FE but its still quite inferior to any of the CoX games.. as well as CO to put it mildly.

4:I take it your trying to insult or say that only WoW fans and brats should stay away from your majestic game eh?

Thank you.

 

1: You think planetside feels like a real FPS? It doesnt to me.  I was comparing it to another mmo then standalone games for they will always be better. Also both games seem to fire and have same recoil type to me. Also It an rpgfps even if you aim right. They have a chance to dogde.

It doesnt to you? Well its far from perfect but it has a physics system ingame, it has vehicle mechanics, it is based on pure FPS gaming, its not matter of an opinion, Planetside was a FPS like MMO, FE is not. Just because you get to click on your target does not make it a fps game. I suggest you fucking get to know Planetside before you say another word, its like night and day. Theres no comparison what so ever, none. Ive seen flash games with better FPS mechanics then FE got.

As for it being a RPGFPS well sure it may be, role playing game first person shooter. Planetside was a MMOFPS.

2. It an opinion. CO and Aion are cookier cutter crap. It does feel like your in another world with its graphics. CO makes you feel like your in a cartoon. Aion just there.  I dont understand why you  calling opinion's bullshit ether. Are you ok?

Yes thank you Im quite sane unlike others. To quote you "The character AP system felt unique and 3better then Aion and Champions online characters classes/customization."

unique, well thank fuck for that, uniquely bad? 3 times better then CO? Have you tried it? It may sure as hell not be gods gift to the MMO community but 3 times as bad as FE? This isnt right at all no one but a fanatic fanboi could say something like this, the character AP system ha! Its like pointing out the decoration of a ship made out of swizz cheese.

3. I was refering to the CO class system not its character avatar costom crap.  CO character classes Is all cookie cutter. The spells just different names with different animations that do the same exact thing.  Aion classes same old. After years of the same stuff it becomes more borring. So when something unique comes along you can actually have more fun in it then the other crap.

Oh right, although I quite agree with CO being similar to CoX the rest, is bullshit, the animations are good, the abilities are new and no they dont do the exact fucking thing, this is just bashing. Have you played it yes or no? I dont care weteher you like it or not, but dont point out mistakes in other games to defend FE it is one of the bigest pieces of shit as of a game Ive seen in years, it makes DF look angelic!

Dont get me wrong Im glad you like it but dont try to fuck around with the subjects at hand, the game mechanics are shit!?

4. No, .Im saying the game not polish nor will it ever feel like it. It rough game and not  for people who scream about polish.... like you.

Yes thank fuck for that, polish my ass, it lacks the most fundamental a good game engine and mechanics and if that fails theres no way the game can recover.

Now many of you might think I just wants to flame or I just want to take a piss on its fans but hey I was one till I tried it!? Im so sick and tired of other MMO titles I wanted something new, then I got the chance to try one of my highest anticipated games, Fallen earth. Thought it was gonna be so cool, waited impatiently for 5h for it to download but when I booted it up I went all "Oh no"

The giant chatbox, it looks hidious, like a free to play MMO from the 90s then there was the bars everywhere.. it was a MMO after all but when you first get to use a rifle it was clear that the devs had been blowing smoke, the bad sound, the minimal recoil not to mention you can run jump and still no impact on recoil (not that it mattered cause it didnt have any feeling anyway).

This game looks so old, it looks 10 years old and its not even released. Maybe you could get away with some of these mistakes in 1999 but in 2009 this is a joke. If Bethesda a company deeply rooted into the RPG genre could make a mixture of RPG and FPS why shouldnt Icarus studios be able to mimic atleast some of their destinct FPS features. Why couldnt they get a real game engine, a real physics system, a good vehicle build. Planetside proved to us there can be such a thing as a MMOFPS so dont tell me it cant be done?!

I expected better.

Originally posted by PapaB34R

Originally posted by Hodo

I love how everyone compairs this game to Fallout.... Yes they are both post appocolyptic but the differense is Fallout has had over a decade of work in it... from Fallout to Fallout 3.   

 So I take it you assume they just copy past from game to game or? Fallout 3 doesnt really resemble any of the two so this is just bull, anyone could make a post nuclear world, fallout or not and its on the devs wether itl be better then worse then the Fallout games, not a nametag.

I agree with many comments on the UI, and the bugs in the game, but you are passing judgement on a game that isnt complete and is still 3+ weeks away from its ship date.    Lets try to remember that.    I too didnt like the combat system, and the constant killing NPC mobs, or running 1 of 20 or so quests...  At least they werent instanced.   

 Yeah like the game will magicly overhaul itself in 3 weeks, theyve fucked it up see it for what it is. As for instanced well... dont care as long as the game is good, this is crap (take it your reffering to AoC/no fanboy but even in beta it was hell of a lot better then this and well... it wasnt good)

Graphics could have been better, but I understand the need to cut the corners there... only so much a computer can handle.   (And dont say FO3 runs so much better on my system because... cause thats a MUCH smaller world and data is NOT transmitted over the net) 

As for graphics, that really isnt affected much by having to recieve over the internet, well not directly anyway. But with more players packed together itl be more demanding... I wouldve prefered FO3 MMO over this anyday though, its like night and day

The crafting system is nice, but I see it more and more.... hundreds of options, thousands of possibilities.   Thats great, for those with NO lives.   But it is nice to see that kind of depth in a crafting system unlike other games, hey find 3 things and right click on this cool thing and POW! you have a new uber talisman!  

 

But I wont pass final judgement on this game till I see the released version.    Right now its got potential, but 3 weeks isnt alot of time.   And its further along than other games I have seen put out by indy companies before.... need I remind you all of WWIIOL's release?

ye lets cheer for the magical overhaul thats coming within 3 weeks... get real

 

ok Lets start  with this statement,  I am not saying that its going to suddenly get better in 3 weeks, I am being mildly sarcastic.   And the game I was hinting at, isnt AoC, its D&DOL.

And I guess you think Mad Max or the Road Warrior was made in the image of Fallout hmm?

It's a game you either love or hate it seems. People who like WoW and similar games just don't get it. They don't seem to understand that it's a breath of fresh air to many of us who are just sick of swords and sorcery theme park games and want something different. So yes, its a bit rough around the edges, combat animations aren't its strong point but it still provides a lot of fun to those of us who like the more sandboxy games such as the original pre CU SWG or Eve.

You've only got to look at the number of Wasteland Runner pre-order horses in every town to see that a large proportion of beta testers have been impressed enough to pre-order the game already and I'm one of them.

The publishers aren't attempting to take on WoW, LotRO, SWToR etc. It's having a very low key launch, probably with just one server and I'm sure there are going to be more than enough players to keep that going. I imagine Icarus's overheads are a fraction of those of a company such as Blizzard so a relatively small playerbase will give them the funds to add polish to the game over the coming months.

I completely agree with the OP...I was so excited to load up the beta and get to test out this game...played for about 4 hours and just could not take it any longer. The UI is one of the worst I have played with and combat was just awful... Sad to see a cool concept fail, but at least I have champions to hold me over for a bit until something else comes out!

I joined beta lately and am actually playing the game, but  am not thrilled, unfortunately.
I like the concept of postapocalyptic world. Reminds me a bit of Anarchy Online and Fallout and that's all I find attractive so far.
The most annoying thing for me is the combat system. Don't like the idea of clicking or holding mouse button until my target's dead. What about auto attack option? You need a fast weapon swapping during the fight? Forget it.
I was looking forward to pvp: battles, raids, wars etc. Anything there? Haven't noticed so far :( Yes - I know it's beta, but still. I think good game needs both: pve & pvp, but that's my opinion only.

Well, this game has its cons & pros like every other game. Maybe it's worse than everyone expected, but let's see how it's gonna evolve. I'll definitely not pay for it unless they make some major changes / improvements, but I encourage you to try it out.

 I was able to get into the beta recently and give this game a nice run.  However, I was disappointed about it.

These are in my opinion, by the way, but:

I found the controls a little annoying, especially when switching bewteen weapons.  Its felt like I was doing too much work to go from my melee to my rifle.  Couldn't they just map the weapons on the mousewheel by itself, like on FPS?

Combat is a pain.  Why do I have to switch back and forth bewteen two modes?  Couldn't they disable shooting in towns or what not, or allow me to loot while in a attack state so I can get into the fight faster?  It just seems they could merge the two modes just fine.

Edit: I forgot to mention, the quest log also bothered me a large amount.  It has no organization that I could find or figure.  I which it would track multiple quests all at once.

I felt that the combat was somehwat standard.  It didn't really add anything new, at least not to me.  If anything, it is like a average FPS.  Nonetheless, attacking was enjoyable.

My biggest beef is the stats, or the character development.  It felt too complex and complicated.  Sure they give you 20 points to spread out, but spread them out among several options.  This may sound silly, but I want it to be dumb-downed a little.

Originally posted by reaperuk

It's a game you either love or hate it seems. People who like WoW and similar games just don't get it. They don't seem to understand that it's a breath of fresh air to many of us who are just sick of swords and sorcery theme park games and want something different. So yes, its a bit rough around the edges, combat animations aren't its strong point but it still provides a lot of fun to those of us who like the more sandboxy games such as the original pre CU SWG or Eve.

You've only got to look at the number of Wasteland Runner pre-order horses in every town to see that a large proportion of beta testers have been impressed enough to pre-order the game already and I'm one of them.

The publishers aren't attempting to take on WoW, LotRO, SWToR etc. It's having a very low key launch, probably with just one server and I'm sure there are going to be more than enough players to keep that going. I imagine Icarus's overheads are a fraction of those of a company such as Blizzard so a relatively small playerbase will give them the funds to add polish to the game over the coming months.

Gamers today are into stream lined Theme Park mmorpgs and need direction in mmorpgs now. The mass majority still like the WoW clones, cause they are simple to understand and get into. Where is my Auto Attack button? Welcome to the microwave age of mmo gaming.

Your right, there are gamers out there that are looking for something new and refreshing. This game boasts a HUGE open world, it does have alot of factions, the setting is not like any other mmo out there now and player housing is the next big talk . It will be a Niche game. As I stated, the devs at FE got something here and I already hear we got a couple of Post Apocalyptic MMORPGS coming out as well.

Post Apocalytpic seems to be the new theme, I wonder how 2012 the movie will be.

Ok I got sidetracked.. I usually go where Angels fear to trend and will try this mmo since its seems to be one of a kind right now. I just need a game that breaks away from the mindless fantasys of Dwarfs, Elves, Orcs and Wizards.

What sold me on the game and I kid you not.. When I was on my horse mount and travelling the desert roads to Depot 66, I was passed up by 2 players on a crotch rocket motorcycle and another on a ATV (LOL). Even though I was going to get this game from the get go, this just sealed the deal when I saw this.

This game is off the hook and different, combines alot of the old school elements of mmo tricks and feels more like a sandbox mmo to me.

Originally posted by reaperuk

It's a game you either love or hate it seems. People who like WoW and similar games just don't get it. They don't seem to understand that it's a breath of fresh air to many of us who are just sick of swords and sorcery theme park games and want something different. So yes, its a bit rough around the edges, combat animations aren't its strong point but it still provides a lot of fun to those of us who like the more sandboxy games such as the original pre CU SWG or Eve.

You've only got to look at the number of Wasteland Runner pre-order horses in every town to see that a large proportion of beta testers have been impressed enough to pre-order the game already and I'm one of them.

The publishers aren't attempting to take on WoW, LotRO, SWToR etc. It's having a very low key launch, probably with just one server and I'm sure there are going to be more than enough players to keep that going. I imagine Icarus's overheads are a fraction of those of a company such as Blizzard so a relatively small playerbase will give them the funds to add polish to the game over the coming months.

Using the WoW fanboi attack are we now? For the note I believe this is bullshit, it has nothing to do with WoW, Lotro or any other games, its simply bad. The game mechanics are fucked up. As an ex EvE player its a fucking insult comparing it to FE, why? Because EvE mechanics are fuckin great! Sure you might say EvE has boring combat etc but the ships act like space ships would in the sense of them turning accelerating and so forth, FE does not so dont you fuckin dare go WoW fanboy on me.

If youd read the thread you wouldve known this has nothing to do with theme park vs sandbox. I dont give a shit wether you like this game or that one, if you like FE or WoW but to say that people who dislike this game are pure bread RPG fans, or WoW fanbois is fucking pathetic. I can think of several things you might like about this game, the game mechanics however its not one of them, they fucked up the most important thing in a game and it will never recover. If you like it, good for you I didnt.

I played in the CB a few months back and tried very hard to test the game. I do actually 'test' when I'm in Betas, not just try a game to see if I like it. This one thought I just couldn't force myself to keep going on (not the worst by a long shot) but not the best by an even longer shot. I'm a bit disappointed that things are still in such rough shape. *shrug* Such as it is.

Originally posted by PapaB34R

Fanboys or no fanboys whata hell is this crap. Just come back from a couple hours of gameplay it was bloody torture. The games UI is one of the worst Ive ever seen, to add the chatbox, the fonts it just looks like shit. Then theres the gameplay.. a mmofps my ass this is "some kind off hold mouse buttom on target RPG", like Tabula Rasa but without any feeling whatsoever.

Once you get into weapons mode and attack an enemy his template pops up as well as the cursor which for me... Its nood a good FPS... and its certainly not from that limited experience I had a descent RPG, for crying out loud this game makes every F2P game game of the year.

Im so disapointed, Ive been waiting and cheking up on everything released, from dev blogs to trailers and supposedily gameplay vids. The game looks like its been made in the 90s, its not the graphics of the characters or the world itself. That I can live with, some could even say it looks quite nice but the inventory, the big ugly name/hp tags (yes these can be removed but its too impractical to do)

This game lacks everything that a modern FPS game would have and by combining a poor combat system it also fucks up the RPG side of the game and its clear to me what kinda game this will be.. I reckon it be a game for hardcore fanbois.

As for me, well Im sitting here trying to think of a worse game Ive ever played, I feel so screwed over but hey atleast they let me try it that way I wouldnt have spent 50$.

I would like to hear what others actually like about this game since I find it shockingly bad.

agreed 100%... wtf was that? lol!
 

I am playing this game on a HP dv5 laptop (C2D 2,2 and a 9600M GT DDR2), so it really is not a high-end system. The major towns in the game are about 10-15 FPS, but it does not really matter, as there is no fighting inside of the towns. The FPS goes outside from 30-60 (no shadows or AA, AF, maximal view range, 1280*800).  An the game itself? I just stopped playing the beta because I am going to buy this game. Try it, really. And if you do not like it after playing and crafting a bit, let it be, this game is never going to be your favourite.

Originally posted by Hodo

I love how everyone compairs this game to Fallout.... Yes they are both post appocolyptic but the differense is Fallout has had over a decade of work in it... from Fallout to Fallout 3.   

 

I agree with many comments on the UI, and the bugs in the game, but you are passing judgement on a game that isnt complete and is still 3+ weeks away from its ship date.    Lets try to remember that.    I too didnt like the combat system, and the constant killing NPC mobs, or running 1 of 20 or so quests...  At least they werent instanced.   

 

Graphics could have been better, but I understand the need to cut the corners there... only so much a computer can handle.   (And dont say FO3 runs so much better on my system because... cause thats a MUCH smaller world and data is NOT transmitted over the net) 

The crafting system is nice, but I see it more and more.... hundreds of options, thousands of possibilities.   Thats great, for those with NO lives.   But it is nice to see that kind of depth in a crafting system unlike other games, hey find 3 things and right click on this cool thing and POW! you have a new uber talisman!  

 

But I wont pass final judgement on this game till I see the released version.    Right now its got potential, but 3 weeks isnt alot of time.   And its further along than other games I have seen put out by indy companies before.... need I remind you all of WWIIOL's release?

This man brought up the WWIIOL release...arrrrggggghhhhhh.

Well at least he shows he knows his stuff.

Originally posted by Brixon

Sadly another failed MMO. I weep for the future of MMO's. Our hobby is dieing by a thousand paper cuts.

What the hell are you talking about?

Originally posted by PapaB34R

Using the WoW fanboi attack are we now? For the note I believe this is bullshit, it has nothing to do with WoW, Lotro or any other games, its simply bad. The game mechanics are fucked up. As an ex EvE player its a fucking insult comparing it to FE, why? Because EvE mechanics are fuckin great! Sure you might say EvE has boring combat etc but the ships act like space ships would in the sense of them turning accelerating and so forth, FE does not so dont you fuckin dare go WoW fanboy on me.

If youd read the thread you wouldve known this has nothing to do with theme park vs sandbox. I dont give a shit wether you like this game or that one, if you like FE or WoW but to say that people who dislike this game are pure bread RPG fans, or WoW fanbois is fucking pathetic. I can think of several things you might like about this game, the game mechanics however its not one of them, they fucked up the most important thing in a game and it will never recover. If you like it, good for you I didnt.

Well the tone of this post and all the others by you in this thread simply reinforces my view that you just because you dont like it, it goes over your head that other people might. I have news for you, there are plenty that do.  We know it has lots of faults technically but  IT DOESN'T MATTER because we can overlook them and still enjoy the stuff that does work.

So in conclusion I suppose the most apt thing to say would be the usual  "if you don't like it, don't come crying here, go back to WoW" or more likely, another free beta to add to your growing list of games played.

Originally posted by Relampago

Originally posted by Hodo

I love how everyone compairs this game to Fallout.... Yes they are both post appocolyptic but the differense is Fallout has had over a decade of work in it... from Fallout to Fallout 3.   

 

I agree with many comments on the UI, and the bugs in the game, but you are passing judgement on a game that isnt complete and is still 3+ weeks away from its ship date.    Lets try to remember that.    I too didnt like the combat system, and the constant killing NPC mobs, or running 1 of 20 or so quests...  At least they werent instanced.   

 

Graphics could have been better, but I understand the need to cut the corners there... only so much a computer can handle.   (And dont say FO3 runs so much better on my system because... cause thats a MUCH smaller world and data is NOT transmitted over the net) 

The crafting system is nice, but I see it more and more.... hundreds of options, thousands of possibilities.   Thats great, for those with NO lives.   But it is nice to see that kind of depth in a crafting system unlike other games, hey find 3 things and right click on this cool thing and POW! you have a new uber talisman!  

 

But I wont pass final judgement on this game till I see the released version.    Right now its got potential, but 3 weeks isnt alot of time.   And its further along than other games I have seen put out by indy companies before.... need I remind you all of WWIIOL's release?

This man brought up the WWIIOL release...arrrrggggghhhhhh.

 

Well at least he shows he knows his stuff.

"I'M TAXIING MY WAY TO VICTORY!!!"

Originally posted by reaperuk

Originally posted by PapaB34R

Using the WoW fanboi attack are we now? For the note I believe this is bullshit, it has nothing to do with WoW, Lotro or any other games, its simply bad. The game mechanics are fucked up. As an ex EvE player its a fucking insult comparing it to FE, why? Because EvE mechanics are fuckin great! Sure you might say EvE has boring combat etc but the ships act like space ships would in the sense of them turning accelerating and so forth, FE does not so dont you fuckin dare go WoW fanboy on me.

If youd read the thread you wouldve known this has nothing to do with theme park vs sandbox. I dont give a shit wether you like this game or that one, if you like FE or WoW but to say that people who dislike this game are pure bread RPG fans, or WoW fanbois is fucking pathetic. I can think of several things you might like about this game, the game mechanics however its not one of them, they fucked up the most important thing in a game and it will never recover. If you like it, good for you I didnt.

 

Well the tone of this post and all the others by you in this thread simply reinforces my view that you just because you dont like it, it goes over your head that other people might. I have news for you, there are plenty that do.  We know it has lots of faults technically but  IT DOESN'T MATTER because we can overlook them and still enjoy the stuff that does work.

So in conclusion I suppose the most apt thing to say would be the usual  "if you don't like it, don't come crying here, go back to WoW" or more likely, another free beta to add to your growing list of games played.

 

Thats the one thing I don't get about these forums. People will play a game, decide they don't like it and come on here to sound the alarm and rally the troops on some kind of great crusade against a product as if they have the power to sway humanity. No matter how punctual or how many big words you use, people are going to play what they want and that's what it all boils down to...

Throw away your cardboard sign and put your clothes back on, not everyone is wanting to follow you..

i think its a really fun game = ) Im going to buy it

Originally posted by Vyeth

Originally posted by reaperuk

Originally posted by PapaB34R

Using the WoW fanboi attack are we now? For the note I believe this is bullshit, it has nothing to do with WoW, Lotro or any other games, its simply bad. The game mechanics are fucked up. As an ex EvE player its a fucking insult comparing it to FE, why? Because EvE mechanics are fuckin great! Sure you might say EvE has boring combat etc but the ships act like space ships would in the sense of them turning accelerating and so forth, FE does not so dont you fuckin dare go WoW fanboy on me.

If youd read the thread you wouldve known this has nothing to do with theme park vs sandbox. I dont give a shit wether you like this game or that one, if you like FE or WoW but to say that people who dislike this game are pure bread RPG fans, or WoW fanbois is fucking pathetic. I can think of several things you might like about this game, the game mechanics however its not one of them, they fucked up the most important thing in a game and it will never recover. If you like it, good for you I didnt.

 

Well the tone of this post and all the others by you in this thread simply reinforces my view that you just because you dont like it, it goes over your head that other people might. I have news for you, there are plenty that do.  We know it has lots of faults technically but  IT DOESN'T MATTER because we can overlook them and still enjoy the stuff that does work.

So in conclusion I suppose the most apt thing to say would be the usual  "if you don't like it, don't come crying here, go back to WoW" or more likely, another free beta to add to your growing list of games played.

 

 

Thats the one thing I don't get about these forums. People will play a game, decide they don't like it and come on here to sound the alarm and rally the troops on some kind of great crusade against a product as if they have the power to sway humanity. No matter how punctual or how many big words you use, people are going to play what they want and that's what it all boils down to...

Throw away your cardboard sign and put your clothes back on, not everyone is wanting to follow you..

Im sorry if you misunderstood the purpose of my thread, its not for hardcore fans of FE obviously but rather for those of us who waited for the game and thought it was gonna be real good. The reason I made this thread at all is because of the shocking state the game is in, its one of the worst games Ive played. I have played a lot of mmos, most mainstream and others smaller  ones but I never made a thread about how I despice the game because in general their just bland and mediocre.

But in  this case its so frickin bad. That is my opinion, for those who like this game fine have fun but those of you who hasnt tried it and is thinking about buying it, take a long look at this game, if your not into crafting or in a bad bad need of an apocalyptic mmo dont buy it. Wether your a WoW fanboy or an EvE PvP hardcore player it doesnt matter. The game mechanics are simply not acceptable in the 21th century. It is a bad joke, its fucking sad as it seems to have a descent crafting system and a good lore.

/agree with OP.

Played tutorial, thought it was ok, combat was pretty bad. Got into the main world found nothing all that exciting or engaging.

I liked the lore behind the game, but the actual gameplay mechanics are way behind the times. True the game doesn't hold your hand,  but if the combat / questing / world is bland, then who cares about character development and meager sandbox elements.