Originally posted by Zarynterk

To be honest, I could care less about the NDA seeing as people who pre-ordered the game are getting hosed in obtaining refunds. However, that is not what this thread is about and we will save that for another time.

 

I have played the game, and from the 3 times that I have actually been able to login...and from the 6 hours of playtime, there is one thing that worries the hell out of me. It is the similarities to the beta of Vanguard. This game looks incredible at first, so you are taken aback visually. However, thats where the honeymoon ends. In my time in the game, I ran from one side of the actual gaming "world" to the other...and to be honest its about as big as...the barrens (if that). I was not able to travel farther due to running into an invisible wall...this wall encircled the entire "world" of the game and literally took about 30 mins to travel across. This is where the comparison to Vanguard comes in, for those that remember the start of VG, it was a huge empty world. MO's world is not huge however it is completely empty. Devoid of almost any type of mob, except for pigs, deer, and bison looking things which number about 20 in all..At this level of production to date, I expect volumes more...

 

The combat is decent, much like what you would expect from an Oblivion type mmo. It is a tad clunky, and slow to respond however being one of the first twitch based mmos I would tend to forgive the issues.  The armor and such is visually pleasing, more realistic which I prefer.

 

I would have to say that overall out of 10 I would give the game a 4... And before people start up with the "its only beta, blah, blah" I would ask themselves to think back on all the games that they have beta tested. Those games were at a point where they could be released and survive to a certain extent (SWG for example). Good or bad, there was at least a finished world where you can see where the game is headed...not just an empty "zone-world". And that in itself is the issue with Mortal Online. If the beta is any example of where the actual "status" of the game is...it should be pushed back at least another couple years. Just my 2 cents...

Seems like you were under the impression you were getting a completed product.

Please read things before you agree from now on. You may just be happier for it.

Originally posted by Nizur

MO is made by a small, independent developer. You can't hold them up to the same measuring stick as SOE, Blizzard or Turbine. Their beta is a true beta. Not some marketing, gimmick "beta" test which is what a lot of games are doing these days. They've stated that the beta test is going to happen in phases, gradually introducing more and more aspects of the game.

When I played in the LotRO private beta, the game was far from finished. Invisible walls all over the place. Bugs with various parts of the game. Gimpy fast travel. Ghost bear. Etc. When the game was finally released, it was much more polished and quite stable. There were still issues, but it went from being a "this game isn't ready for release at all" kind of game to one of the smoothest, best launched games I've ever played.

That's Starvault propaganda. A "beta weekend" a week or so before the game is launched is a gimmick, a beta months beforehand is a normal beta and something that 99% of the mmo companies out there do. Mortal Online is essentially in an alpha stage at the moment and will ADMITTEDLY be released in a beta phase with only the core features in-tact. Why pretend otherwise and then set yourself up to be disappointed at release when you end up playing one of the most unfinishedreleased mmo's of all-time? This game is at least a year away from being ready for even a half-decent release.

"you crossed the whole beta in 30 mins? i call BS on this"

The devs have stated that it takes 45 minutes to cross the game world from one side to the next,  that's quite small.

Originally posted by JohnCreed

Originally posted by Nizur

MO is made by a small, independent developer. You can't hold them up to the same measuring stick as SOE, Blizzard or Turbine. Their beta is a true beta. Not some marketing, gimmick "beta" test which is what a lot of games are doing these days. They've stated that the beta test is going to happen in phases, gradually introducing more and more aspects of the game.

When I played in the LotRO private beta, the game was far from finished. Invisible walls all over the place. Bugs with various parts of the game. Gimpy fast travel. Ghost bear. Etc. When the game was finally released, it was much more polished and quite stable. There were still issues, but it went from being a "this game isn't ready for release at all" kind of game to one of the smoothest, best launched games I've ever played.

 

That's Starvault propaganda. A "beta weekend" a week or so before the game is launched is a gimmick, a beta months beforehand is a normal beta and something that 99% of the mmo companies out there do. Mortal Online is essentially in an alpha stage at the moment and will ADMITTEDLY be released in a beta phase with only the core features in-tact. Why pretend otherwise and then set yourself up to be disappointed at release when you end up playing one of the most unfinishedreleased mmo's of all-time? This game is at least a year away from being ready for even a half-decent release.

 

Just gotta say this, are you even in beta for one. If you are, do you know exactly what SV is holding back? If you aren't a part of the company working on the game I find it difficult to find any type of backing to your post. I am not getting my hopes up if this game flops oh well, I just don't like seeing postings that have no backing whatsoever.

Originally posted by Zarynterk

To be honest, I could care less about the NDA seeing as people who pre-ordered the game are getting hosed in obtaining refunds. However, that is not what this thread is about and we will save that for another time.

 

I have played the game, and from the 3 times that I have actually been able to login...and from the 6 hours of playtime, there is one thing that worries the hell out of me. It is the similarities to the beta of Vanguard. This game looks incredible at first, so you are taken aback visually. However, thats where the honeymoon ends. In my time in the game, I ran from one side of the actual gaming "world" to the other...and to be honest its about as big as...the barrens (if that). I was not able to travel farther due to running into an invisible wall...this wall encircled the entire "world" of the game and literally took about 30 mins to travel across. This is where the comparison to Vanguard comes in, for those that remember the start of VG, it was a huge empty world. MO's world is not huge however it is completely empty. Devoid of almost any type of mob, except for pigs, deer, and bison looking things which number about 20 in all..At this level of production to date, I expect volumes more...

 

The combat is decent, much like what you would expect from an Oblivion type mmo. It is a tad clunky, and slow to respond however being one of the first twitch based mmos I would tend to forgive the issues.  The armor and such is visually pleasing, more realistic which I prefer.

 

I would have to say that overall out of 10 I would give the game a 4... And before people start up with the "its only beta, blah, blah" I would ask themselves to think back on all the games that they have beta tested. Those games were at a point where they could be released and survive to a certain extent (SWG for example). Good or bad, there was at least a finished world where you can see where the game is headed...not just an empty "zone-world". And that in itself is the issue with Mortal Online. If the beta is any example of where the actual "status" of the game is...it should be pushed back at least another couple years. Just my 2 cents...

The fact that is is a beta is actually a real excuse.  In fact, it's obvious that you missed the part where Starvault released their beta goals, and right up in the beginning of the list were the words 'technical beta'.  Over the past month and a half, they have been testing the patcher, login, character creation, and server stability.  And at this time, it's pretty rare that I'm not able to log in and stay logged in for a significant amount of time.  So again, I'll remind you that the initial beta phase has been focused heavily on getting the server running as smoothly as possible.  After all, would it be any fun playing the best game ever made while crashing and getting booted every five minutes from the server? 

The reason for the world being emply is the exclusion of a LOD system that will greatly enhance your performance while allowing them to start adding content.  I'm not sure when you wrote this, but if all goes according to plan, Starvault will be adding massive amounts of content in one weeks time.  It seems like people are so used to seeing these major companies release 'marketing beta' access, and it seems as if most people don't understand the difference.  There is a lot of work that has to be done, they are a small team.  They have limited resources, why do you think we all have to pre-order?  Win-Win situation for them.  They get money to further development and they get free beta testers that are actually fans of the game and want to see a product that they can be proud of.

I'm not allowed to talk about anything specific.  I pre-ordered the game though, so you can draw your conclusions.  I will say that I am pleased with what I've seen for the most part.  Is it perfect?  Nothing is perfect.  By the way, the reason it seems small is because they are only allowing players to test a little less than half of the starting continent.  So, that 30 minutes could become and hour or more.  That is running time.  It can be shortened by magical means or by horseback. 

Also, Vanguard was released in a state of utter garbage and in some cases, still is garbage.  Mortal Online is at least two months away from launch.  Honestly, I wouldn't expect it until early to mid-december at the earliest.  Their timeline is the fourth quarter for release, they haven't said or done anything that would argue against that either.  It's so frustrating that most people can't see past their first impression.  All they do is they look and they scream bloody murder about anything.  Even if there isn't much to complain about.  I'm not saying to give them a free ride because they are an indi company.  I'm saying let them do their jobs.  If it's released and it's not in a playable state, then I can understand.  Though, it's in a playable state now.. even if most of the features aren't in.  So.. yeah.

Seems there are similar groups here as was for DF..

Group A is skeptical that SV can pull off additions of content ( land mass , mobs , quests , npcs , crafting.. ect. ) and keep the server stable and bugs to a minimum. And that is completely understandable.

Group B seems to think SV can fip a switch and have smooth sailing after adding content that is needed. If they have to test server stability now with such little what is it going to be like when they throw a bunch of stuff in with little testing? Crashes and lots of them.

Group C likes to hide behind " its beta ' tag line thinking that actually means anything this close to release.

If the game releases this year then it WILL be a disaster. You cant do what SV needs to do to get ready for release in such a short time. They need to hold off to Mid Next year at least.

Just give Starvault their chance.  They will decide their own fate, and all we can do is watch, or try to help them out beta testing.

In the meantime Darkfall has come a long way and is really shaping up.  I jumped back into it and man i'm happy I did.  You guys should consider doing the same because MO is still a long ways out.  I will be beta testing MO, and playing Darkfall at the same time.  It doesn't have to be all one or the other.  They are both games that try to fill a void in this genre and they should both be supported imo.

 If you think Starvault is some mesiah that won't have the same problems Aventurine had with Darkfall you will be really disappointed.   They are a small team tackling a huge project.  It won't release all polished.  You will have to make sacrifices if you want to play from day 1, and there will be many bumps along the way.  It will be just like Darkfall or maybe even worse.  The difference is the devs seem to be much more vocal about what is going on, but that might change going towards release.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Zarynterk

To be honest, I could care less about the NDA seeing as people who pre-ordered the game are getting hosed in obtaining refunds. However, that is not what this thread is about and we will save that for another time.

 

I have played the game, and from the 3 times that I have actually been able to login...and from the 6 hours of playtime, there is one thing that worries the hell out of me. It is the similarities to the beta of Vanguard. This game looks incredible at first, so you are taken aback visually. However, thats where the honeymoon ends. In my time in the game, I ran from one side of the actual gaming "world" to the other...and to be honest its about as big as...the barrens (if that). I was not able to travel farther due to running into an invisible wall...this wall encircled the entire "world" of the game and literally took about 30 mins to travel across. This is where the comparison to Vanguard comes in, for those that remember the start of VG, it was a huge empty world. MO's world is not huge however it is completely empty. Devoid of almost any type of mob, except for pigs, deer, and bison looking things which number about 20 in all..At this level of production to date, I expect volumes more...

 

The combat is decent, much like what you would expect from an Oblivion type mmo. It is a tad clunky, and slow to respond however being one of the first twitch based mmos I would tend to forgive the issues.  The armor and such is visually pleasing, more realistic which I prefer.

 

I would have to say that overall out of 10 I would give the game a 4... And before people start up with the "its only beta, blah, blah" I would ask themselves to think back on all the games that they have beta tested. Those games were at a point where they could be released and survive to a certain extent (SWG for example). Good or bad, there was at least a finished world where you can see where the game is headed...not just an empty "zone-world". And that in itself is the issue with Mortal Online. If the beta is any example of where the actual "status" of the game is...it should be pushed back at least another couple years. Just my 2 cents...

 

Seems like you were under the impression you were getting a completed product.

 

Please read things before you agree from now on. You may just be happier for it.

 

 

he doesnt relize the whole game world isnt even activaited cause the massive lod isnt in yet
 

Originally posted by ProfRed

[...]

 If you think Starvault is some mesiah that won't have the same problems Aventurine had with Darkfall you will be really disappointed. 

[..]

Oh I don't know maybe they can avoid the worst of AV stupidty ? Or not ?

Maybe by not manually inputting credit card info on the launch day leading to some people getting to the game for free and some people being triple charged. And  hey ...  Stardock could always NOT launch one European server and allow the Americans on then charge them again whilst leading people to believe there would be no transfer fee ? And they too can NOT have teh haxor boats ?

Face it Stardock would have to try  real hard  to be as stupid as AV. Still even on one tenth of AVs fail... stardock might mess up. Oh were never going have a decent MMO. *Wail* ! I blame Tasos .. he took my innocence.

(post may contain sarcasm)

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Zarynterk

To be honest, I could care less about the NDA seeing as people who pre-ordered the game are getting hosed in obtaining refunds. However, that is not what this thread is about and we will save that for another time.

 

 

Seems like you were under the impression you were getting a completed product.

 

Please read things before you agree from now on. You may just be happier for it.

 

 

he doesnt relize the whole game world isnt even activaited cause the massive lod isnt in yet
 

hehe I ve heard EXACTLY the same excuses in Darkfall beta....just saying :)

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Zarynterk

To be honest, I could care less about the NDA seeing as people who pre-ordered the game are getting hosed in obtaining refunds. However, that is not what this thread is about and we will save that for another time.

 

 

Seems like you were under the impression you were getting a completed product.

 

Please read things before you agree from now on. You may just be happier for it.

 

 

he doesnt relize the whole game world isnt even activaited cause the massive lod isnt in yet
 

 

hehe I ve heard EXACTLY the same excuses in Darkfall beta....just saying :)

Chances are you also heard them by the same person.......just saying :)

Originally posted by downtoearth

he doesnt relize the whole game world isnt even activaited cause the massive lod isnt in yet
 

The only thing that bothers me about LOD system is that it should be a client side only feature.   The server shouldn't care how detailed the textures are displayed on your screen.  

1.) They are only testing specific things in the beta. They said this A LOT. For all anyone knows there could be 15 continents. They are currently testing graphical performance and combat.

2.) to the person who said something about small time companies:

THIS IS EPIC GAMES WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MCFEJKNLDEJKDFNEJKWLMEWNFEW

Originally posted by Vexe

1.) They are only testing specific things in the beta. They said this A LOT. For all anyone knows there could be 15 continents. They are currently testing graphical performance and combat.

2.) to the person who said something about small time companies:

THIS IS EPIC GAMES WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MCFEJKNLDEJKDFNEJKWLMEWNFEW

Your somewhat mistaken, this isn't Epic Games, this is Starvault developing MO. Epic games is just helping out with stuff that has to do with engine related problems and what not.

Originally posted by Abloec

Originally posted by Vexe

1.) They are only testing specific things in the beta. They said this A LOT. For all anyone knows there could be 15 continents. They are currently testing graphical performance and combat.

2.) to the person who said something about small time companies:

THIS IS EPIC GAMES WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MCFEJKNLDEJKDFNEJKWLMEWNFEW

 

Your somewhat mistaken, this isn't Epic Games, this is Starvault developing MO. Epic games is just helping out with stuff that has to do with engine related problems and what not.

Or you can also put it in another way: Star Vault is helping Epic Games out with beta test their game engine. 

Read the MO forums more often, Beta so far only has about 12% of the games world open atm

Originally posted by Vexe

1.) They are only testing specific things in the beta. They said this A LOT. For all anyone knows there could be 15 continents. They are currently testing graphical performance and combat.

2.) to the person who said something about small time companies:

THIS IS EPIC GAMES WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MCFEJKNLDEJKDFNEJKWLMEWNFEW

I'm not sure what planet you live on.

Originally posted by Raizeen

the reason il never pay for a mmorpg maded by a small unknown company

Exactly!  I'm not a fan of the 1st person view at all!  However, I would look past it if it had a company with a good reputation backing it.  I'm not going to risk losing time and money on this one, I just doubt it will be enjoyable for me.

It's not worth it.  All the hype is delusion.  It doesn't even look that good on a beastly machine and highest settings in the raw format.  Once they deploy the massiveLOD system (if they ever make it work) the game will look like Vanguard on medium settings.

This game is vaporware.  And it won't even be like Tabula Rasa or The Chronicals of Spellborn, it's nothing but a sorry excuse for a U3 tech demo and no publisher will pick it up.  SV will just go bankrupt and that will be the end of it.

Even though their investors are all family members, they aren't going to let Mats and Hen piss it all away trying to make a failed project work.

Well first off there is no HIGH settings yet, everything is on low