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8/22/09 2:05:47 AM#121
Originally posted by gnomexxx
C'est a la mode. It is like fashionable to turn this health care "debate" into "socialism!" or "bad teeth!" American people will be under this for profit model until the "debate" becomes mature and serious.
In all seriousness, for a moment, not much else is more serious than health care. Appealing to reason and maturity, however, is always the best way to make yourself vulnerable to repeated attacks induced by those appeals to reason.
Let's get serious, for one second, it is not British teeth. It is millions of American without insurance, and millions more that are under-insured; this model does not, and cannot, work by its very own design. |
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8/22/09 2:38:15 AM#122
Originally posted by Fishermage
Yea dentistry is private but is also cheap. A cleaning cost me about a hundred dollars.
And why is dentistry cheap?
A dentist's work is mostly cosmetic and not life threatening. If the cost of the procedures was expensive then people would bypass the dentist completely or only use a dentists services only for extreme problems. The dentist will lose business and need to get a part time job cutting hair.
That doesn't explain the cost though.
The costs are made affordable to encourage consumer spending on something they technically don't really need. When people don't really require a service they're not likely to spend money on it unless it's an emergency or kept within price limits. I'm really shocked that I need to explain this to a proponent of capitalism. |
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8/22/09 8:54:09 AM#123
Originally posted by gnomexxx
Do you even know where that assumption came from? I'm guessing not and usually I wouldn't rise to it but hey, lets have some fun. How's your obesity rate over there you fat, lazy fucks? ...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought. |
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BaronJuJu
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Joined: 2/27/04
"Just because it happens to you doesn''t make it interesting" |
8/22/09 9:14:18 AM#124
Originally posted by efefia
Do you even know where that assumption came from? I'm guessing not and usually I wouldn't rise to it but hey, lets have some fun. How's your obesity rate over there you fat, lazy fucks?
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike" |
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8/22/09 9:37:19 AM#125
Originally posted by Wickersham
And why is dentistry cheap?
A dentist's work is mostly cosmetic and not life threatening. If the cost of the procedures was expensive then people would bypass the dentist completely or only use a dentists services only for extreme problems. The dentist will lose business and need to get a part time job cutting hair.
That doesn't explain the cost though.
The costs are made affordable to encourage consumer spending on something they technically don't really need. When people don't really require a service they're not likely to spend money on it unless it's an emergency or kept within price limits. I'm really shocked that I need to explain this to a proponent of capitalism.
Sorry, that is wrong, People need a wide array of things, and the costs are not rising as fast as they are in health care. There is another factor that is far more important to the equation that you refuse to admit. |
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8/22/09 10:53:50 AM#126
Furthermore to add to the above post, Government intervention is THE leading cause of price increases in healthcare service.
List for you: The AMA is given authority to 'license' doctors thus allowing them to not only control what type of healing these doctor's practice, but also how many of them there are. Thus this agency has direct control over the supply of doctors. When you have a monopoly over the supply of doctors you will naturally create a shortage of them. Doctors make up the AMA, it is in their best interest to crowd out competition so their wages can increase. The FDA is given authority to 'license' drugs for sale. Instead of having an array of independant rating agencies (such as Consumer Reports) submit their findings on a drug, a new treatment must go through a lengthy process before being allowed to be used to treat its main targeted condition. This government agency is rife with corruption and is simply a means of further controlling the supply of healthcare for the country. Again this further increases the prices consumers have to pay. In the 1800's Americans had a free market healthcare system. You chould openly choose from any array of healthcare you wanted. You could choose Holistic, Alternative Healing, Native American healers, Eastern Healers, and the list goes on. Now these same people cannot perform their practices legally because they cannot obtain licensing from the AMA. Is it any surprise that the longer the monopoly enjoyed by the AMA, FDA and others has continuously increased the price of healthcare? A further point on the AMA. Should not healthcare be a science where people are encouraged to innovate and find new ways of treating illness? Why is it in our culture right now to treat everything with pills? Well this is very easy to answer. The AMA not only dictates how many medical schools there are but also determines what is taught. What we are experiencing in the US is not a free market system but a government sponsored oligarchy that they now want to replace with a bald faced MONOPOLY! Wake up people!! You don't cure an infection by adding more of the bacteria to your system! Read this if you don't believe me. http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=172 Thanks for reading! Do you support Liberty, Freedom and wish to Uphold the Constitution? Join the movement - http://CampaignForLiberty.com |
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8/22/09 11:58:26 AM#127
Originally posted by Fishermage
And why is dentistry cheap?
A dentist's work is mostly cosmetic and not life threatening. If the cost of the procedures was expensive then people would bypass the dentist completely or only use a dentists services only for extreme problems. The dentist will lose business and need to get a part time job cutting hair.
That doesn't explain the cost though.
The costs are made affordable to encourage consumer spending on something they technically don't really need. When people don't really require a service they're not likely to spend money on it unless it's an emergency or kept within price limits. I'm really shocked that I need to explain this to a proponent of capitalism.
Sorry, that is wrong, People need a wide array of things, and the costs are not rising as fast as they are in health care. There is another factor that is far more important to the equation that you refuse to admit.
I think you need to check your equation since dentistry is a want not a need and dentistry is not healthcare. |
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8/22/09 12:19:55 PM#128
Originally posted by Wickersham
A dentist's work is mostly cosmetic and not life threatening. If the cost of the procedures was expensive then people would bypass the dentist completely or only use a dentists services only for extreme problems. The dentist will lose business and need to get a part time job cutting hair.
That doesn't explain the cost though.
The costs are made affordable to encourage consumer spending on something they technically don't really need. When people don't really require a service they're not likely to spend money on it unless it's an emergency or kept within price limits. I'm really shocked that I need to explain this to a proponent of capitalism.
Sorry, that is wrong, People need a wide array of things, and the costs are not rising as fast as they are in health care. There is another factor that is far more important to the equation that you refuse to admit.
I think you need to check your equation since dentistry is a want not a need and dentistry is not healthcare.
Improper dental hygeine and care can lead to some pretty dangerous diseases and infections. So I'd say that definately falls into healthcare and should be considered a need. |
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8/22/09 12:33:01 PM#129
Originally posted by smokemonsc
Is the AMA a federal entity? I thought it was a professional organization. |
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8/22/09 12:53:47 PM#130
Originally posted by Sabiancym
A dentist's work is mostly cosmetic and not life threatening. If the cost of the procedures was expensive then people would bypass the dentist completely or only use a dentists services only for extreme problems. The dentist will lose business and need to get a part time job cutting hair.
That doesn't explain the cost though.
The costs are made affordable to encourage consumer spending on something they technically don't really need. When people don't really require a service they're not likely to spend money on it unless it's an emergency or kept within price limits. I'm really shocked that I need to explain this to a proponent of capitalism.
Sorry, that is wrong, People need a wide array of things, and the costs are not rising as fast as they are in health care. There is another factor that is far more important to the equation that you refuse to admit.
I think you need to check your equation since dentistry is a want not a need and dentistry is not healthcare.
Improper dental hygeine and care can lead to some pretty dangerous diseases and infections. So I'd say that definately falls into healthcare and should be considered a need. Bi-annual cleanings are not going to prevent those problems. The infections and diseases that can be a result of poor dental hygiene are covered by healthcare. Do dentists treat you for those diseases and infections or do they refer you to a medical doctor? 5 out of 5 denists agree that using a toothbrush, tooth paste, and floss daily does more for your teeth than bi-annual checkups and cleanings. Again dentistry is not a need. I'll grant you that it's protective and cosmetic, but not a need. |
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8/22/09 12:59:46 PM#131
Thank God. |
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8/22/09 10:01:59 PM#132
Originally posted by Wickersham
A dentist's work is mostly cosmetic and not life threatening. If the cost of the procedures was expensive then people would bypass the dentist completely or only use a dentists services only for extreme problems. The dentist will lose business and need to get a part time job cutting hair.
That doesn't explain the cost though.
The costs are made affordable to encourage consumer spending on something they technically don't really need. When people don't really require a service they're not likely to spend money on it unless it's an emergency or kept within price limits. I'm really shocked that I need to explain this to a proponent of capitalism.
Sorry, that is wrong, People need a wide array of things, and the costs are not rising as fast as they are in health care. There is another factor that is far more important to the equation that you refuse to admit.
I think you need to check your equation since dentistry is a want not a need and dentistry is not healthcare.
You need to read more carefully. I neither said nor implied anything you are inferring. This seems to be a habit of yours. let me spell this out more clearly for you: I said they people NEED a wide array of things, and I wasn't talking about dentistry there, I was obviously talking about other things people need, Like say food shelter and clothing for example, and NONE of those are increasing in prices as fast as health care. Need has nothing to do with why health care costs are rising. |
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8/22/09 10:04:10 PM#133
Originally posted by Wickersham
Is the AMA a federal entity? I thought it was a professional organization.
It is a professional organization that has been given government type authority over the industry by the federal government. |
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8/23/09 2:46:08 AM#134
Originally posted by Fishermage
A dentist's work is mostly cosmetic and not life threatening. If the cost of the procedures was expensive then people would bypass the dentist completely or only use a dentists services only for extreme problems. The dentist will lose business and need to get a part time job cutting hair.
That doesn't explain the cost though.
The costs are made affordable to encourage consumer spending on something they technically don't really need. When people don't really require a service they're not likely to spend money on it unless it's an emergency or kept within price limits. I'm really shocked that I need to explain this to a proponent of capitalism.
Sorry, that is wrong, People need a wide array of things, and the costs are not rising as fast as they are in health care. There is another factor that is far more important to the equation that you refuse to admit.
I think you need to check your equation since dentistry is a want not a need and dentistry is not healthcare.
You need to read more carefully. I neither said nor implied anything you are inferring. This seems to be a habit of yours. let me spell this out more clearly for you: I said they people NEED a wide array of things, and I wasn't talking about dentistry there, I was obviously talking about other things people need, Like say food shelter and clothing for example, and NONE of those are increasing in prices as fast as health care. Need has nothing to do with why health care costs are rising. Silly me I thought we were discussing dentistry in the above several posts... Now you want to apply my comments on dentistry to something else? In the future please try to say abracadabra or presto before you make that sort of arguement again. |
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8/23/09 2:57:09 AM#135
Originally posted by Fishermage
It is a professional organization that has been given government type authority over the industry by the federal government.
Provide a link to prove this please. |
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8/23/09 8:10:49 AM#136
Originally posted by Wickersham
It is a professional organization that has been given government type authority over the industry by the federal government.
Provide a link to prove this please.
Sure, easy enough: |
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8/23/09 8:12:26 AM#137
Originally posted by Wickersham
That doesn't explain the cost though.
The costs are made affordable to encourage consumer spending on something they technically don't really need. When people don't really require a service they're not likely to spend money on it unless it's an emergency or kept within price limits. I'm really shocked that I need to explain this to a proponent of capitalism.
Sorry, that is wrong, People need a wide array of things, and the costs are not rising as fast as they are in health care. There is another factor that is far more important to the equation that you refuse to admit.
I think you need to check your equation since dentistry is a want not a need and dentistry is not healthcare.
You need to read more carefully. I neither said nor implied anything you are inferring. This seems to be a habit of yours. let me spell this out more clearly for you: I said they people NEED a wide array of things, and I wasn't talking about dentistry there, I was obviously talking about other things people need, Like say food shelter and clothing for example, and NONE of those are increasing in prices as fast as health care. Need has nothing to do with why health care costs are rising. Silly me I thought we were discussing dentistry in the above several posts... Now you want to apply my comments on dentistry to something else? In the future please try to say abracadabra or presto before you make that sort of arguement again.
The why did the poster after me completely understand what I was saying, yet YOU did not? Sorry, what was lacking was your reading, not my post. |
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8/23/09 12:23:47 PM#138
Originally posted by Fishermage
Provide a link to prove this please.
Sure, easy enough: www.ama-assn.org/aps/physcred.html
I don't see the connection please quote the paragraph. |
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8/23/09 12:36:51 PM#139
Originally posted by Wickersham
Provide a link to prove this please.
Sure, easy enough: www.ama-assn.org/aps/physcred.html
I don't see the connection please quote the paragraph.
Sorry, I don't believe you. |
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8/23/09 12:52:24 PM#140
I know I shouldn't answer your rather transparent baiting; but again, in a effort to be a better man than you. Wickersham:
here is the site: www.ama-assn.org/aps/physcred.html Now if you can read words like Physician, and understand what words like Licensure mean, you might click that link right at the top of the page... www.ama-assn.org/aps/physcred.html#license "Physicians may hold one or more licenses to practice medicine in 54 US licensing jurisdictions. Licenses are granted to ensure the public that the physician who presents himself/herself for licensure has successfully completed an appropriate sequence of medical education, including a specified amount of residency training in an accredited program, and has demonstrated competence through successful completion of an examination or other certification demonstrating qualification for licensure. "
Then, any third-grader would know he should then maybe google what happens when you practice medicine without a license: They might happen upon any number of pages... wiki.bmezine.com/index.php/Practicing_Medicine
Then they might find an example of a LAW passed by a GOVERNMENT, that goes something like this:
"An individual who practices or holds himself out as practicing a health profession subject to regulation without a license or registration or under a suspended, revoked, lapsed, void, or fraudulently obtained license or registration, or outside the provisions of a limited license or registration, or who uses as his own the license or registration of another person, is guilty of a felony. For the purpose of the offense of practicing medicine without a license, the "practice of medicine" means the diagnosis, treatment, prevention, cure, or relieving of a human disease, ailment, defect, complaint, or other physical or mental condition, by attendance, advice, device, diagnostic test, or other means, or offering, undertaking, attempting to do, or holding oneself out as able to do, any of these acts. " A private organization does the licensing of physicians. The government enforces it. Thus a private organization is acting as an arm of the state. But then you, and anyone with a high school education knows this, so obviously you are just trolling and baiting.
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