I've read a lot of 'This game will sureley fail' posts on this forum, but this is one of the lamest.

I played Champions thru closed Beta and all it is....is World of Heroes ie meaning a combination of WoW and City of Heroes.  I hated WoW I've tried playing 3 times and could never bring myself to play longer than 2 months each time.  And i've played CoH for going on 5 years.   The only thing I liked about Champions was the cell shading.  The Questing is redundant and the power and battle system sucks.  I am just gonna play Aion which I Beta'd and love.  Then STO when it is released.  I like Cryptic I just don't like Champions,  I hope alot of people like it  so it doesn't fail.

Originally posted by SpectralHunt

And my guess is, you probably didn't follow CO very extensively nor were you very eager for it to launch.  I'm not saying you are a hater.  I'm just saying you and your friends didn't invest time tracking it but are just curious.  I'm even willing to say that your initial attitude to the game may lean towards negative for whatever reason (ie genre, beta reviews...etc).  If you are giving up after one day (the first day of open beta) then I am guessing your mind was already made up and Cryptic would have had to make a perfect game to hook you which is impossible.

You probably have a different MMO that you are excited about that's about to launch.  I'm willing to bet you'd have patience with that game if for some reason the game had a patch issue on the first day of open beta.

Those who are really on the fence will revisit the game a few days later to allow the devs to fix the patch.  Again, had this been at launch when you already spent the $50, then that's a whole different issue.

I'm not a hater, but yeah I don't like games with micro transactions or Cryptic.  I am not saying i'm having the problems or I care.  I was never going to play this game and I was in beta before this.  I don't go around these boards giving negative reviews because I don't care.  The only thing I did was warn some people against the lifetime sub because it is a rather shallow game.

This topic interested me because I think many people underestimate what an open beta has become and what it means for the launch of MMORPG's.  A lot more people than you think jump on OB's on a whim.  They get emailed from Fileplanet or some various site or here from a friend and try the game out.  It is these people that won't put up with much other than a hand fed great experience before they move along. 

I think it is a bad situation for Cryptic and that makes me happy.  Regardless I have 3 gaming friends who couldn't even try the open beta before giving up.  These are guys that I play strat's with and not MMO's.  They won't be playing Aion either.   They do try open beta's though and who knows they might have loved Champions.  Just my 2 cents. 

The OP must me be mentally retarded or he is some whiny little cheapskate who did'nt get his full 5$ full of the deposit.

Mind you this, it is an Open BETA! That's right! What a surprise! That means "Testing is what you are here for. Don't like it then stop playing MMOs". Seriously, you have no idea how many posts and topics I have seen about how this will ruin Champions. Seriously? Why so much hate for a game that has'nt even been released yet. They gave out all of the Pre-order keys so they could have a range of the people who would be playing. Not so you can just get a free sneak peak at the game, but to also check out server stability. It's nothing new.

And also to the people that said Aion had a "Better" Closed beta, it did. You know why? The game has been released in the East for 8 months! I would hope it was better considering all the polish time that WAS used.

Kids need to stay out of Betas and let the grown-ups and mature playaers have all the fun. Plain and Simple.

Originally posted by Bureyku

Originally posted by SpectralHunt

And my guess is, you probably didn't follow CO very extensively nor were you very eager for it to launch.  I'm not saying you are a hater.  I'm just saying you and your friends didn't invest time tracking it but are just curious.  I'm even willing to say that your initial attitude to the game may lean towards negative for whatever reason (ie genre, beta reviews...etc).  If you are giving up after one day (the first day of open beta) then I am guessing your mind was already made up and Cryptic would have had to make a perfect game to hook you which is impossible.

You probably have a different MMO that you are excited about that's about to launch.  I'm willing to bet you'd have patience with that game if for some reason the game had a patch issue on the first day of open beta.

Those who are really on the fence will revisit the game a few days later to allow the devs to fix the patch.  Again, had this been at launch when you already spent the $50, then that's a whole different issue.

 

I'm not a hater, but yeah I don't like games with micro transactions or Cryptic.  I am not saying i'm having the problems or I care.  I was never going to play this game and I was in beta before this.  I don't go around these boards giving negative reviews because I don't care.  The only thing I did was warn some people against the lifetime sub because it is a rather shallow game.

This topic interested me because I think many people underestimate what an open beta has become and what it means for the launch of MMORPG's.  A lot more people than you think jump on OB's on a whim.  They get emailed from Fileplanet or some various site or here from a friend and try the game out.  It is these people that won't put up with much other than a hand fed great experience before they move along. 

I think it is a bad situation for Cryptic and that makes me happy.  Regardless I have 3 gaming friends who couldn't even try the open beta before giving up.  These are guys that I play strat's with and not MMO's.  They won't be playing Aion either.   They do try open beta's though and who knows they might have loved Champions.  Just my 2 cents. 

The bottom line is when someone buys this game from the local game store. If it sucks then it deserves the negative feelings it gets. If it is decent, then that means the problems encountered to get the game to that polished state, were fixed.

This is the use beta testers provide to the game developer. If some "jobless wonder" is only looking for a free game to play, then fine, they should uninstall the BETA and move onto to leech off another community. Posting prejudiced, angry threads with no point to them, well, that just wastes the time and money of those who are trying to fix beta issues.

I hate open betas. I think beta should be for people who actually spend some time at the end of the night, to enter the bugs they found. I don't think it should be used as a marketing ploy either. Because beta is supposed to be about OBJECTIVE TESTING AND REPORTING of bugs.

Bureyku, you and your three friends strike me as objective people. But the OP was just mad his freebie wasn't available to him and decided to make a personal, biased attack.

Yeah I don't think of the OP as a friend or ally and I don't like his post.  It's cool this is getting figured out in beta and all, but these days OB is more of a preview for people than an actual beta which is why i'm saying it's not that good for Cryptic.

I dislike Cryptic very much though so this isn't something that makes me upset or anything... 

Originally posted by Dreizack

MMO's come and go so fast these days that if the developer screws up their first impression they can never recover.  In my opinion Cryptic has shot themselves in the foot and this game will end up like Vanguard, AoC, Warhammer, DDO and every other MMO since WoW. 
 

Too bad for Cryptic that the MMO consumer doesn't put up with shit from developers anymore.  If the game is a failure at the start people will never give it a second chance.  CO will end up a niche game with a small playerbase and Cryptic will probably never release the game on consoles.
 

Imagine after years of hard work and millions of dollars spent developing this game a patcher is going to be the cause of it's downfall??????

Problems I have with this statement is that some games are miscategorized every game since wow has not done bad there in fact are a few games released since wow that are performing (we can only assume) well but even other than that games like Vanguard,AOC equaled paid beta which of course angered lot's of people and kept them away games like Warhammer and DDO just weren't considered much fun by the masses which I think is a bit different, you have a point though in that if a game releases "rough" it is difficult to get the audience behind you but the question is why?

DDO has fundamental design flaws that made it horribly dull for many (me included) so what could they possibly do other than an NGE? Warhammer I thought was much the same of course people complained but the sense of deception didn't exist for these two games like it did for AOC which many will never return to no matter what, and where games like Vanguard and AOC messed up is that some folks will never even purchase a game made by these companies again.

And lastly CO s not released yet so you certainly shouldn't be lumping this game in with the likes of AOC or Vanguard both of whom released their games with quite a bit of deception, though it does look to be heading the way of DDO and WAR simply not very innovative nor fun.

 Its already recovered!

Originally posted by Nightbringe1

You are right, it is not launch.

It is the marketing campaign designed to hook people so they will purchase the game once it launches.

Well, it's worked for me. I persevered through the downloading and patching phase and managed to get on today. Looks good to me and if it keeps working as well as it has so far, I'll definately be buying it. Anyone who lets a bit of trouble the very first time the systems are seriously stressed is doing themselves a dis-service. At least get into the game and try it out before making a decision. You'll never know otherwise.

Originally posted by Bureyku

I'm not a hater, but yeah I don't like games with micro transactions or Cryptic.  I am not saying i'm having the problems or I care.  I was never going to play this game and I was in beta before this.  I don't go around these boards giving negative reviews because I don't care.  The only thing I did was warn some people against the lifetime sub because it is a rather shallow game.

This topic interested me because I think many people underestimate what an open beta has become and what it means for the launch of MMORPG's.  A lot more people than you think jump on OB's on a whim.  They get emailed from Fileplanet or some various site or here from a friend and try the game out.  It is these people that won't put up with much other than a hand fed great experience before they move along. 

I think it is a bad situation for Cryptic and that makes me happy.  Regardless I have 3 gaming friends who couldn't even try the open beta before giving up.  These are guys that I play strat's with and not MMO's.  They won't be playing Aion either.   They do try open beta's though and who knows they might have loved Champions.  Just my 2 cents. 

See, now the truth comes out why you posted the way you did.  I think if you said the first time that you didn't like CO due to microtransactions, that's a legitimate reason.  I don't particuarly like it myself but it is the trend of pretty much all MMOs these days.  But that's a whole different topic.

But the way you worded your previous post, it sounded like you were just one of those people who whine and complain no matter what.  I also wanted to add, if you truly didn't care, you wouldn't even post.  "Warn others of the lifetime sub?" Why?  It's their money.  Your dislike of Cryptic (for whatever reason) isn't allowing you to be objective.

As for many players having a hand fed mentality...well, generally speaking those types of players don't last long in a MMO they only have a casual interest in.  Like I said, if it's that easy to deter some people from a game then they never were the target audience.  They never really wanted to play the game.  And your comments also prove this.  I think you and your friends just are not MMO-type players.  Nothing wrong with that.  There are other games than MMOs.  But you seem to prove my statement in saying you and your friends are probably not the target audience.

Now if you piss off the ones who really love the superhero genre...then Cryptic has a problem.  But I think they did a good job.  Is it perfect and completely revolutionary?  Nope.  It's evolutionary.  And that's what I expected and I wager that's what most people expected as well.

I agree. Especially giving the competition. Why play a buggy game when you can play Cox, which I think has better graphics, even though its a 5 year old game. Furthermoore, Aion's beta has been very smooth with virtually no game breaking bugs. 

Originally posted by Dreizack

MMO's come and go so fast these days that if the developer screws up their first impression they can never recover.  In my opinion Cryptic has shot themselves in the foot and this game will end up like Vanguard, AoC, Warhammer, DDO and every other MMO since WoW. 
 

Too bad for Cryptic that the MMO consumer doesn't put up with shit from developers anymore.  If the game is a failure at the start people will never give it a second chance.  CO will end up a niche game with a small playerbase and Cryptic will probably never release the game on consoles.
 

Imagine after years of hard work and millions of dollars spent developing this game a patcher is going to be the cause of it's downfall??????

Ok...in that case... Can I have you beta key?

 

Originally posted by mutombo55

Originally posted by Dreizack
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Imagine after years of hard work and millions of dollars spent developing this game a patcher is going to be the cause of it's downfall??????

 

A patcher failure during Open Beta, that appears to have been resolved (or worked around atleast) in one day by most reports, its not going to break CO.

In two weeks time, and the end of the OB, then we should have better idea on what to expect of CO's future.

What is going to stop me from playing is the item shop added on to a subscription game. If I am paying 15/month I best be getting ALL items in the game including ornamental.

Originally posted by Dreizack

MMO's come and go so fast these days that if the developer screws up their first impression they can never recover.  In my opinion Cryptic has shot themselves in the foot and this game will end up like Vanguard, AoC, Warhammer, DDO and every other MMO since WoW. 
 

Too bad for Cryptic that the MMO consumer doesn't put up with shit from developers anymore.  If the game is a failure at the start people will never give it a second chance.  CO will end up a niche game with a small playerbase and Cryptic will probably never release the game on consoles.
 

Imagine after years of hard work and millions of dollars spent developing this game a patcher is going to be the cause of it's downfall??????

I would also like to add that we as MMO players put up with massive amounts of shit...Anymore? did something change in this year n'a half that i havnt purchased an mmo? As far as i have noticed none of you have had the balls to say Fuck you im not going to purchase this shit. Cept you all salavate to every mmo release expecting it to give you everything you want when in truth you don't even know what you just bought. Then you come to places like this to bitch and complain about dumb shit like. ZOMG they dont have crocodiles in this game they said they would have crocodiles this game is fail!

another thing...what you are posting about has happend multiple times.

I pre-ordered WAR. There was tons of information bits that made it seem the game was going to be supercool...well, I was sadly disappointed. I waited for their extra class releases too, and it just was bland. I don't want to have to pre-order a new MMO again.

I've just finished DDO unlimited beta. Sticking to that. I liked the game..It's going F2P also. Only pre-order for me now is HALO:odst...and that's not even a computer game.

Originally posted by Dreizack

Open beta is pretty much the launch of the MMO these days.  Developers put so much effort into promoting their "Open Beta" and people flock to play.  This is where the people who are on the fence about paying for a new MMO get to try it out and decide if they will buy it or not.  I would say it's even more important then the launch day, it's a time to win over people who are undecided. 

You people who always spout the typical "It's in beta" line don't understand how MMO's work these days.  Maybe 5 years ago I would agree that yes it's in beta and we should give some slack, but in today's brutal MMO market that excuse just doesn't cut it anymore.

So.....

Are you sure it isn't you that doesn't understand how MMO"s work these days?

Here's a paraphrase of your entire argument: "For the last 5 years I was offered to test beta and I'm mad because they gave me exactly that;  instead of what I wanted which was a finished and polished product. "

You were offered to test and got mad it wasn't a trial.

You used AoC, WAR, VG and now this as examples of how you were given a beta instead of a preview.

All that tells me is that for the last 5 years, you've been signing up for previews and been pissed off they've given you a beta.

So what you are really mad about is that for the last 5 years, the companies gave you exactly what they offered and not what you expected.

Devs didn't change the rules, you changed the rules. And last time I checked, you weren't in charge of anything.

But thank you MMO King of Nothing.

 EDIT: and besides: the failures you noted - AoC, WAR and VG are still up and running. With so many hovering around those sub numbers, they aren't failures they are 'average' - well VG may fall into the 'below average' catagory.

But oh wise and merciful king; I wish you well in crusade to conquer the average. Good luck with that.

Originally posted by qombi

What is going to stop me from playing is the item shop added on to a subscription game. If I am paying 15/month I best be getting ALL items in the game including ornamental.

To me a microtransaction is any charge a company makes beyond the retail box, sub and expansions.  Most MMOs have added additional ways to fund their game.  If they don't have one now, they will have one eventually.  It's something that's happening.  

If you don't like it, then your MMO playing days might be over except for F2P ones.

Originally posted by SpectralHunt

See, now the truth comes out why you posted the way you did.  I think if you said the first time that you didn't like CO due to microtransactions, that's a legitimate reason.  I don't particuarly like it myself but it is the trend of pretty much all MMOs these days.  But that's a whole different topic.

But the way you worded your previous post, it sounded like you were just one of those people who whine and complain no matter what.  I also wanted to add, if you truly didn't care, you wouldn't even post.  "Warn others of the lifetime sub?" Why?  It's their money.  Your dislike of Cryptic (for whatever reason) isn't allowing you to be objective.

As for many players having a hand fed mentality...well, generally speaking those types of players don't last long in a MMO they only have a casual interest in.  Like I said, if it's that easy to deter some people from a game then they never were the target audience.  They never really wanted to play the game.  And your comments also prove this.  I think you and your friends just are not MMO-type players.  Nothing wrong with that.  There are other games than MMOs.  But you seem to prove my statement in saying you and your friends are probably not the target audience.

Now if you piss off the ones who really love the superhero genre...then Cryptic has a problem.  But I think they did a good job.  Is it perfect and completely revolutionary?  Nope.  It's evolutionary.  And that's what I expected and I wager that's what most people expected as well.

Yeah my bad if it seemed like I was trying to hide the fact that Cryptic's business practices, design for games, passion for gaming in general, and greed disgusts me.  I have always been pretty open about it on these forums.  Also I was not one of the ones locked out of the OB.  It was just 3 guys I play Dawn of War 2, Culdcept Saga, PoxNora, CnC, etc. with who got all excited about the new OB, DL'ed it on fileplanet against my suggestion that it was a shallow game backed by souless sellout developers, and then couldn't even get in. 

I am a MMO player...  There are hardly any i've missed, but I won't lay a finger on this after beta, and because I know how Cryptic is i'll probably bypass Star Trek, but hope to get in the beta.  My friends played old good MMO's like DaOC and Ultima at launch but haven't enjoyed one really since DaOC.  I got wrapped up in FFXI though. 

This is a casual MMO.  It is shallow, and not very long.  It won't retain subs well, and maybe that is why they are shoving the lifetime and 6 month subs down people's throats.  I guarantee this.  My friends are the casual type gamers that could have played this.  Hardcore MMO vets will not play this for long.  This game needs casual players. 

I don't know.  In general though I was just commenting that this was bad for the game.  It would be bad for any game going into an open beta that didn't attract a shitload of diehard fans.  This game does not have a shitload of diehard fans.  My comment would have been the same for any non huge mainstream MMO coming down the pipeline. 

Regardless of how general my comment could have been I am glad that this happened to Cryptic.  I hope that people see this game for what it is and they get jaded for the Star Trek release.  I hope the falling out is so bad that Cryptic gets restructured and the toolbags that are calling the shots get sent to do PR for Disney Land.  This is the extent of the negativity I will put into this game and now i'm going to walk away and pretend it doesn't exist.  I am not a negative person.

Originally posted by Dreizack

Imagine after years of hard work and millions of dollars spent developing this game a patcher is going to be the cause of it's downfall??????

I think most people will judge the game from their impresssions once they actually get to play it. If for some reason there is someone who plays the game and likes it but will not pick it up because they could not beta test for a day or two, well the community will probably be better without them around anyway.

I think your overreacting just a little. It's open beta, give them time to iron out some kinks.