I need another MMORPG to play. BAD!

Ultima Online was my first MMORPG and it is still my favorite game. EQ was a good game. WoW is a good game. PotBS was a big let down. WAR was good but just too repetitive...

So what is out there? What should I try? I like fantasy or historical MMORPG. I can do sandbox(like UO) but the last one was Darkfall and apparently that is terrible...

So what to do?

Help!

Out of curiosity, how can you have enjoyed pre-trammel UO and World of Warcraft at the same time?

 O_O  Well if you like a more "classic mmo" FFXI is good times still, even with impending FFXIV - though its not for those who love to solo.  LOTRO is a solid game if you enjoy that lore, though is a tad lacking toward the end - but unlike most is getting some good patching time.  AION is pretty & has some good pvp, but is very linear...

Truthfully for someone who seems to enjoy alot of the more popular mmos, I'd recommend trials and forum scanning...including some F2Ps, though alot of them might not hold your attention.  In the end Old Republic and FFXIV, along with some non-mmos should mix up the current market quite a bit....so if you can't figure it out now, try again in a year :)

Yauchy:
To him, classic MMO is sandbox style UO, so when you say FFXI is a "classic mmo", he's going to think it's a sandbox rather than a never ending character grind with carrot on a stick style equipment treadmills.

Originally posted by dinanm3atl

I need another MMORPG to play. BAD!

Ultima Online was my first MMORPG and it is still my favorite game. EQ was a good game. WoW is a good game. PotBS was a big let down. WAR was good but just too repetitive...

 

So what is out there? What should I try? I like fantasy or historical MMORPG. I can do sandbox(like UO) but the last one was Darkfall and apparently that is terrible...

 

So what to do?

 

Help!

The closest thing to UO is EVE Online. Pretty much everything else is the usual theme park garbage.

Originally posted by Scottc

Out of curiosity, how can you have enjoyed pre-trammel UO and World of Warcraft at the same time?

I LOVED Pre-Trammel UO. That version of UO is the greatest MMORPG to this date! I played MUCH past when Trammel was created but the playerbase outside of Trammel slowly and then very quickly went down. Sad.

To say WoW is NOT a good game is laughable. It is a GOOD game. No arguing that.

Eve Online. I am not a HUGE fan of 'sci-fi' but I guess I could give it a go. Much prefer and enjoy fantasy or historical.

You can try Ryzom, although I'm not sure if it can be considered fantasy.

I never really got into it but I heard that it's a decent sandbox game.

How can you say that WoW is a good game when all it does is stretch what little content it has thin by forcing you to repeat it over and over to get what you need to progress onto the next boss monster? Is this gear treadmill/carrot-on-a-stick exploitation of basic human nature something you consider good gameplay? How can a game where you repeat the same tasks over and over to get better and better items endlessly be considered good? How the hell do they even sell expansion packs with this as the sole purpose in the game?

Originally posted by Scottc

How can you say that WoW is a good game when all it does is stretch what little content it has thin by forcing you to repeat it over and over to get what you need to progress onto the next boss monster? Is this gear treadmill/carrot-on-a-stick exploitation of basic human nature something you consider good gameplay? How can a game where you repeat the same tasks over and over to get better and better items endlessly be considered good? How the hell do they even sell expansion packs with this as the sole purpose in the game?

You seem really angry. Were you addicted to WoW and now you are mad about it? It is a good game for what it is. There are NOT many MMORPGs that are not repetitive.

So.... now someone help me find a game!

hehe

Originally posted by Scottc

How can you say that WoW is a good game when all it does is stretch what little content it has thin by forcing you to repeat it over and over to get what you need to progress onto the next boss monster? Is this gear treadmill/carrot-on-a-stick exploitation of basic human nature something you consider good gameplay? How can a game where you repeat the same tasks over and over to get better and better items endlessly be considered good? How the hell do they even sell expansion packs with this as the sole purpose in the game?

It keeps 11 million people entertained and paying s subscription fee each month. Since no other MMO game has ever came close to those figures, I'd say that WoW is a good game. A damn good one, in fact, because no other MMO has ever been able to reproduce WoW's success, although many tried.

In your opinion, it isn't a good game, in his opinion it is. Which opinion is more valid?

I would second the Ryzom suggestion. I'm currently playing it and enjoying it quite a bit. It's definitely different than most MMOs out.

It has the best game world mechanics in any MMO I've tried. By that I mean the flora/fauna. It actually feels like a real world. Mobs herd together or hunt in packs. Carnivores hunt herbivores and you. Animals sleep and migrate. They come up to you to check you out and protect each other if you attack a group.

Crafting is deep and interesting. No classes, skill-based. The skill tree is very deep.

If you're really into PvP, then it's probably not the game for you. But if you like exploring, crafting and a great community, then it's one of the best.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Scottc

How can you say that WoW is a good game when all it does is stretch what little content it has thin by forcing you to repeat it over and over to get what you need to progress onto the next boss monster? Is this gear treadmill/carrot-on-a-stick exploitation of basic human nature something you consider good gameplay? How can a game where you repeat the same tasks over and over to get better and better items endlessly be considered good? How the hell do they even sell expansion packs with this as the sole purpose in the game?

 

It keeps 11 million people entertained and paying s subscription fee each month. Since no other MMO game has ever came close to those figures, I'd say that WoW is a good game. A damn good one, in fact, because no other MMO has ever been able to reproduce WoW's success, although many tried.

In your opinion, it isn't a good game, in his opinion it is. Which opinion is more valid?

It's just kind of mysterious how someone who thought pre-Trammel UO (a game that relied on its playerbase to create interesting content/scenarios that were hardly repetitive) was incredible can also say that WoW is a good game.  Also just because 11 million people play it certainly doesn't make it a good game.  Most people who quit World of Warcraft don't reminisce about it, they don't have nostalgia for it, they hate it and themselves for wasting so much time on it.

Edit: Also, to contribute, if you're looking for a good sandbox experience, definitely stay away from Darkfall Online.  Mortal Online is currently in beta and it looks interesting, the devs are hardworking and they have frequent direct contact with the community (not some PR fool, the actual devs), and they've invested quite a bit of money into making the game a reality.  They've licensed Unreal Engine 3 as well as some kind of MMORPG solution by Epic Games China called Atlas.

I also like Counter Strike Source...

You cannot enjoy 2 different games?

Thanks for the recommendaiton though.

Originally posted by Scottc

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Scottc

How can you say that WoW is a good game when all it does is stretch what little content it has thin by forcing you to repeat it over and over to get what you need to progress onto the next boss monster? Is this gear treadmill/carrot-on-a-stick exploitation of basic human nature something you consider good gameplay? How can a game where you repeat the same tasks over and over to get better and better items endlessly be considered good? How the hell do they even sell expansion packs with this as the sole purpose in the game?

 

It keeps 11 million people entertained and paying s subscription fee each month. Since no other MMO game has ever came close to those figures, I'd say that WoW is a good game. A damn good one, in fact, because no other MMO has ever been able to reproduce WoW's success, although many tried.

In your opinion, it isn't a good game, in his opinion it is. Which opinion is more valid?

It's just kind of mysterious how someone who thought pre-Trammel UO (a game that relied on its playerbase to create interesting content/scenarios that were hardly repetitive) was incredible can also say that WoW is a good game.  Also just because 11 million people play it certainly doesn't make it a good game.  Most people who quit World of Warcraft don't reminisce about it, they don't have nostalgia for it, they hate it and themselves for wasting so much time on it.

It's perfectly possible to like different types of games. Just because I liked Fallout 3, doesn't mean that I wouldn't like FIFA 09.

As for the part I highlighted, you mean that you hate it and yourself for wasting so much time on it?

I mean, I don't know about most people and their feelings towards WoW, what I do know though is that it's a game that 11 million people enjoy. And please don't give me that whole "just because 11 million, blah blah" nonsense. WoW is a game and a game is a form of entertainment. If it wasn't fun or entertaining to those 11 million people, they wouldn't be playing it.

Ryzom is a good game, the concept is amazing, leveling your character is fun, what made me quit that game was that after the trial island, there isn't many fun things to do. Take the same quests over and over and do the same thing over and over, it's definitly worth a try, don't know what they changed since it came back online because the game was off for a while.

LOTRO is worth a try if you haven't played it yet. Very good storyline, good game mechanics. Pretty easy game overall, but fun to play.

Want something different, CoH/CoV is lots of fun, different from your typical fantasy mmo.

If you are willing to put up with low population servers, but great communities, you have to try Vanguard, it's got a free trial now and it's in my opinion one of the best games out there. The only reason it was a failure was that it had a lot of bugs when it was released.

My final suggestion is a must play game if you haven't played it, EQ2, the game came a long way since it was released. It is by far one of the best games on the market, and it's got a lot of players and servers are always full.

If you have any questions, let me know.

Originally posted by heartless

I mean, I don't know about most people and their feelings towards WoW, what I do know though is that it's a game that 11 million people enjoy. And please don't give me that whole "just because 11 million, blah blah" nonsense. WoW is a game and a game is a form of entertainment. If it wasn't fun or entertaining to those 11 million people, they wouldn't be playing it.

Actually players will play a game if it's got a lot of hype even if they don't like it, because WoW has become a gaming culture because of the hype.

I have a lot of real life friends who play WoW and they are miserable in the game, the only reason they stay is that they are part of a guild and they made some friends they don't want to let down. Or they don't see other games as casual as WoW. Or that they invested so much time in it that they don't feel good leaving the game.

Another thing is that the 11 million players worldwide is far from being accurate now that China had trouble running the game for a while.

Walmart is the biggest store chain in the world, and McDonald is the biggest restaurant chain in the world. Does that make them good? Not at all, walmart produces the biggest crap on this planet and McDonald, well you know where I'm going with that.

As I always say, Blizzard is handled by very smart people, as a business they are doing great, but is WoW a good game in terms of a quality game? Not at all.

Peace

Originally posted by Golarum

Originally posted by heartless

I mean, I don't know about most people and their feelings towards WoW, what I do know though is that it's a game that 11 million people enjoy. And please don't give me that whole "just because 11 million, blah blah" nonsense. WoW is a game and a game is a form of entertainment. If it wasn't fun or entertaining to those 11 million people, they wouldn't be playing it.

 

Actually players will play a game if it's got a lot of hype even if they don't like it, because WoW has become a gaming culture because of the hype.

I have a lot of real life friends who play WoW and they are miserable in the game, the only reason they stay is that they are part of a guild and they made some friends they don't want to let down. Or they don't see other games as casual as WoW. Or that they invested so much time in it that they don't feel good leaving the game.

Another thing is that the 11 million players worldwide is far from being accurate now that China had trouble running the game for a while.

Walmart is the biggest store chain in the world, and McDonald is the biggest restaurant chain in the world. Does that make them good? Not at all, walmart produces the biggest crap on this planet and McDonald, well you know where I'm going with that.

As I always say, Blizzard is handled by very smart people, as a business they are doing great, but is WoW a good game in terms of a quality game? Not at all.

Peace

Please don't compare Walmart and MCDonald's with a form of entertainment. Walmart is a store which sells, amongst other items, basic necessities (food, medicine, etc). Walmart is also less expensive than other stores and almost always has items in stock. MC Donald's offers cheap and easily accessible food. Not everyone can afford a $25+ gourmet meal 3 times per day.

WoW, on the other hand, is not a necessity and people play it because it, or something about it, entertains them, not because they have to. You cannot compare things which provide basic necessities with games, games aren't required for people's survival. A lot of people visit doctors for one reason or another, using your logic, all doctors should be considered bad.

In your case, your miserable friends are probably exaggerating because I find it hard to believe that a sane human being will pay money to be miserable, even if they feel some sort of a social attachment to their in-game friends. There are multitude of other ways of communicating with people besides the game. For example, I stopped playing WoW but I keep in contact with friends I made there through email, other games, Facebook, etc. Hell, I still keep in touch with some people I played UO with like 10 years ago.

Also, as far as I know, most of the Chinese WoW players use the Singapore servers which didn't experience any downtime.

Whether people admit it or not WoW provides the most content there is an any game, WoW has many downfalls being labeled the number one repitive game with every expansion pack its always 10 lvls, but personally WoW has came a long way from 40 man AQ to raids that can be turned into 10 or 25 and now even 5 mans thats can be turned into 10's or 25's. Even if you get sick of PvE you can stroll over to the bg's maybe do some arena, or wait until the next wintergrasp, and if not that go back and do some old quests to dab into its wonderful and well thought out storyline. The problem is not many games can compare to it for its content. Now people who say the game gets old fast are the people who are the nazi raiding guilds who clear raids fast and effeciently, now im not bashing them because I too was in that situation but it started to feel like a second job instead of a game so I played in moderation, and for people who bashed WoW for getting old too quick, if you havent downed every boss and worked your way to 2050 arena rating or even picked up 100,000 honorable kills, you have done anything to even scratch a dent in the content WoW offers. With this post I mean no misintent to anyone and am by any meanings trying to say not everyone has a right to an opinion.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Scottc

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Scottc

How can you say that WoW is a good game when all it does is stretch what little content it has thin by forcing you to repeat it over and over to get what you need to progress onto the next boss monster? Is this gear treadmill/carrot-on-a-stick exploitation of basic human nature something you consider good gameplay? How can a game where you repeat the same tasks over and over to get better and better items endlessly be considered good? How the hell do they even sell expansion packs with this as the sole purpose in the game?

 

It keeps 11 million people entertained and paying s subscription fee each month. Since no other MMO game has ever came close to those figures, I'd say that WoW is a good game. A damn good one, in fact, because no other MMO has ever been able to reproduce WoW's success, although many tried.

In your opinion, it isn't a good game, in his opinion it is. Which opinion is more valid?

It's just kind of mysterious how someone who thought pre-Trammel UO (a game that relied on its playerbase to create interesting content/scenarios that were hardly repetitive) was incredible can also say that WoW is a good game.  Also just because 11 million people play it certainly doesn't make it a good game.  Most people who quit World of Warcraft don't reminisce about it, they don't have nostalgia for it, they hate it and themselves for wasting so much time on it.

It's perfectly possible to like different types of games. Just because I liked Fallout 3, doesn't mean that I wouldn't like FIFA 09.

As for the part I highlighted, you mean that you hate it and yourself for wasting so much time on it?

I mean, I don't know about most people and their feelings towards WoW, what I do know though is that it's a game that 11 million people enjoy. And please don't give me that whole "just because 11 million, blah blah" nonsense. WoW is a game and a game is a form of entertainment. If it wasn't fun or entertaining to those 11 million people, they wouldn't be playing it.

I've never played World of Warcraft past level 10.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Golarum

Originally posted by heartless

I mean, I don't know about most people and their feelings towards WoW, what I do know though is that it's a game that 11 million people enjoy. And please don't give me that whole "just because 11 million, blah blah" nonsense. WoW is a game and a game is a form of entertainment. If it wasn't fun or entertaining to those 11 million people, they wouldn't be playing it.

 

Actually players will play a game if it's got a lot of hype even if they don't like it, because WoW has become a gaming culture because of the hype.

I have a lot of real life friends who play WoW and they are miserable in the game, the only reason they stay is that they are part of a guild and they made some friends they don't want to let down. Or they don't see other games as casual as WoW. Or that they invested so much time in it that they don't feel good leaving the game.

Another thing is that the 11 million players worldwide is far from being accurate now that China had trouble running the game for a while.

Walmart is the biggest store chain in the world, and McDonald is the biggest restaurant chain in the world. Does that make them good? Not at all, walmart produces the biggest crap on this planet and McDonald, well you know where I'm going with that.

As I always say, Blizzard is handled by very smart people, as a business they are doing great, but is WoW a good game in terms of a quality game? Not at all.

Peace

Please don't compare Walmart and MCDonald's with a form of entertainment. Walmart is a store which sells, amongst other items, basic necessities (food, medicine, etc). Walmart is also less expensive than other stores and almost always has items in stock. MC Donald's offers cheap and easily accessible food. Not everyone can afford a $25+ gourmet meal 3 times per day.

WoW, on the other hand, is not a necessity and people play it because it, or something about it, entertains them, not because they have to. You cannot compare things which provide basic necessities with games, games aren't required for people's survival. A lot of people visit doctors for one reason or another, using your logic, all doctors should be considered bad.

In your case, your miserable friends are probably exaggerating because I find it hard to believe that a sane human being will pay money to be miserable, even if they feel some sort of a social attachment to their in-game friends. There are multitude of other ways of communicating with people besides the game. For example, I stopped playing WoW but I keep in contact with friends I made there through email, other games, Facebook, etc. Hell, I still keep in touch with some people I played UO with like 10 years ago.

Also, as far as I know, most of the Chinese WoW players use the Singapore servers which didn't experience any downtime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance#Boring_task_experiment

How do you think WoW gets popular?  Word of mouth.