Been playin WoW for a while(but takin a break for a bit)and i like that their doin this. and i agree with what some other ppl have said that they dont rly have to follow the lore exactly and that they can change it to what ever they want. I like a game that keeps evolving outside the limits of what gamers put in place, makes em squirm and well evolve on their own and the only ppl that dont like these changes r closed minded ppl who dont like change, why do u think kids are ahead of adults on the technology curve, its because we r more open minded than most of u oldfarts. i hope all the changes happen somewhat exciting and like i said b4 help fans of WoW evolve with the game and dont let the Xfire thing fool u i have more play time on WoW than that XD

don't forget people, Blizzards B team is on this project (their A team is on the unannounced project atm) and thus has a high chance of being less steller than the last 2 expansions. 

To be perfectly honest i would love to see huge major world changes in many MMO's and i do hope they go through with it.  Why should the world remain exactly the same for 5 years?

Originally posted by Reccoo

Originally posted by jufo

I think the new class/race-combinations seem rather good actually, and despite what many say, even if they are real, they don't really have to break any lore for this to work

* Human Hunter - Humans can hunt, why shouldn't they?

* Orc Mage - Orcs have been using magic before, and it were the orcs that created and trained ogre magi, so obviously the arcane must have been known by at least some orcs, why not some more?

* Night Elf Mage - They used to use magic, but stopped, due to fear that they would lead the burning legion to azeroth again. Now that the burning legion is all over the place, why wouldn't they use the ancient magic for the advantage?

* Dwarf Mage - Dwarf have been using magics of different kinds, and having lived with the gnomes for some time now, they could have been taught in the arcane by them

* Blood Elf Warrior - they can fight..

* Dwarf Shaman - unexpected, but as some earlier has said; they used to be earthmen, so maybe some of them still comunicates with the earth-spirits, and then curiosity has taken over at led them to talk to the other elemental spirits.

* Undead Hunter - There are many implications ingame, that the undead (the forsaken ateast) can remember their living lives. Human hunter dies, becomes reanimated and is an undead hunter. not too far fetched

* Tauren Priest - tauren praises the Earth Mother, and have different ways to show that. Shamans speak with the spirits of the Earth Mother, and Druids tries to live in complete harmony with the world; why should it be implausable that some Tauren see the Earth Mother as a goddess? And then there would naturally be some priests of her as well.

* Tauren Paladin - The Paladin are religious warriors, who fight for the right and just cause, and as such they can tap into the holy and just light and manipulate it, the lore even says that hte light follows any person, as long as he believe his cause is just. And with some tauren seeing the Earth mother as a Goddess, it is likely that ther would be some of her followers, that would take up weapons, in an "fanatical" attempt to protect her.

* Gnome Priest - Why is everyone so bugged by this? Gnomes may not be religious, but they are infamous for their inquisitiveness, and they are intelligent. Their sole reason to be able to do magic so well is in there "can I?"-way of thinking, they begin to learn it, more for the reason of seeing it's potential, rather than actually have a specific goal for it's use, once learned. And since they already is able to control Arcane magic and demonic magic, they sure must have built up a lot of curiosity about this holy/light magic, which they don't yet control.

* Troll Druid - trolls used to be a nature/nomadic society, living of the land where they were, which just seems reasonable enough that some of them would try to allign themselves with the land they live off, as much as possible.
 

 

Everything spot on.  Unlike many that keep talking about lore which they know fuuck all about, you actually know what ur talking about.

Actually my only 'complaint' on the new race class combos are the Night Elf mages. Yes they stopped using magic because of it's corrupting forces. To throw some lore out, in the Warcraft RPG that was release, Night elves who dabbled in magic got addicted to it just like the Blood Elves. I know I know "But That's a pen and paper game not WOW!" I can hear you shout....and yes you are correct, but P&P RPG was still greatly backed by Blizzard and they did open up their resources for the game company who created it...But well, who knows this could be a 'planned leak' or a misinformation to create buzz...or a bit of both.

Originally posted by Scalebane

It's called a cataclysm for a reason, that means everything you freaking knew is gonna change, so lore has no effect on this at all. 

They cataclysm will change everything as you knew it, so yeah new race/combo's would fit perfectly with this new change in lore.

Stop clinging to the past lore, Warcraft's lore was never set in stone, its not a finished story and it won't be finished until Blizzard decides to stop making Warcraft game's.

Oh God do i hate people that cling to old lore and never want anything to change.  Suck it up or leave, lore is gonna change, the Warcraft story is ongoing, Hero's and Villains are gonna die and things are gonna constantly change.

That's right, its called Cataclysm well it's APPARENTLY called that...So yes, something big happens and things change. You see Scalebane, lore is just that, history, things that were...Ofcourse it changes. If the Maelstrom suddenly vanishes and because of that the Blood elves are not addicted to magic anymore..Ok 'it' happens, but it doesnt make SENSE...That is the biggest problem with some of the changes, right now they make no sense. Add the sense into it and all will be well. Make it 'lame' "OMG spacegoats from outerspace!" and it's not so good.

Originally posted by Li-Sharingan

Tbh i wouldn't believe anything from it until Blizzard announced it themself , could be a person wanted to be funny and setted everything up but anyway , if it's nothing official from blizzard i don't believe it

Oh like Blizzard saying that there could never be Blood elves as a playable race because there are not that many left in the world?

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by AtrusV

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by AtrusV

PS I expect that once they have created dwarf shamans, tauren paladins, human hunters, troll druids and (i hope) undead paladins, they would difference again the classes between them. I don't want to see the same spell for mages, warlocks, shamans, or priest, druids, paladins.....

 

"New" Classes: No new classes per se, but some classes previously unavailable to some races will now be playable, and they include:

* Human Hunter
* Orc Mage
* Night Elf Mage
* Dwarf Mage
* Blood Elf Warrior
* Dwarf Shaman
* Undead Hunter
* Tauren Paladin
* Tauren Priest
* Gnome Priest
* Troll Druid

 

 

That's what i said, except i prefered undead paladins than undead hunters just for lore

 

There are already undead hunters in the lore http://www.wowwiki.com/Nathanos_Blightcaller

 

Please learn how to read...He's a Ranger not a hunter. Just because they both use a bow doesnt make them the same class. :)

Originally posted by Milander

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by AtrusV

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by AtrusV

PS I expect that once they have created dwarf shamans, tauren paladins, human hunters, troll druids and (i hope) undead paladins, they would difference again the classes between them. I don't want to see the same spell for mages, warlocks, shamans, or priest, druids, paladins.....

 

"New" Classes: No new classes per se, but some classes previously unavailable to some races will now be playable, and they include:

* Human Hunter
* Orc Mage
* Night Elf Mage
* Dwarf Mage
* Blood Elf Warrior
* Dwarf Shaman
* Undead Hunter
* Tauren Paladin
* Tauren Priest
* Gnome Priest
* Troll Druid

 

 

That's what i said, except i prefered undead paladins than undead hunters just for lore

 

There are already undead hunters in the lore http://www.wowwiki.com/Nathanos_Blightcaller

 

 

Please learn how to read...He's a Ranger not a hunter. Just because they both use a bow doesnt make them the same class. :)

 

A ranger is a hunter.. please read the full wiki post, he tames two beasts.

"He has tamed two Blighthounds, always guarding him with their lives"

I win!

Now what would be nice is that when an undead hunter tames a beast the beast turns undead too.. but i guess with around 30 different different tameable specises thats a lot of work "making undead models" for little return.
 

If the leaked details are true and most of the info from mmo-champ has been reliable in the past then that demonstrates how much Blizzard do not care about the people making them rich any more. Apart from meaningless racial bonuses and how the characters look and population imbalances there is no difference now between Horde and Alliance. The Lich King became nothing more than 3rd generation fans looking for even more quick winz than the 2nd generation. The first have long given up, I did.

What is the point in a character selection screen if these details are true?

Blizzard may as well have a screen come up saying "do you want to be generic character with horns or a generic character with a tail"?

Even now people STILL have to pay for classic version and burning crusade and obviously lich king when they get to northrend, not having the latest expansion is such a massive disadvantage that I suspect the only ones who dont have it are rent-a-farmer.

Name me one another MMO where you are forced to buy previous (5-6 yo) expansions to use the latest one.

The only cool parts I read were the changing parts to old azeroth. Even the mighty Blizzard will have server crashes.

If Blizzard was really cutting edge then that would make those changes on the fly without requiring a 2-day server downtime followed by a weak apology and a free 48-hour "whoops yeah whatever" AND make it part of the game, bringing back world pvp.

Am I the only one to find that Activision-Blizzard still claim 11.5 million play highly suspicious? It's neither gone up nor down by more or less than 50,000 (0.4%) in 10 months?

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by Milander

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by AtrusV

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by AtrusV

PS I expect that once they have created dwarf shamans, tauren paladins, human hunters, troll druids and (i hope) undead paladins, they would difference again the classes between them. I don't want to see the same spell for mages, warlocks, shamans, or priest, druids, paladins.....

 

"New" Classes: No new classes per se, but some classes previously unavailable to some races will now be playable, and they include:

* Human Hunter
* Orc Mage
* Night Elf Mage
* Dwarf Mage
* Blood Elf Warrior
* Dwarf Shaman
* Undead Hunter
* Tauren Paladin
* Tauren Priest
* Gnome Priest
* Troll Druid

 

 

That's what i said, except i prefered undead paladins than undead hunters just for lore

 

There are already undead hunters in the lore http://www.wowwiki.com/Nathanos_Blightcaller

 

 

Please learn how to read...He's a Ranger not a hunter. Just because they both use a bow doesnt make them the same class. :)

 

 

A ranger is a hunter.. please read the full wiki post, he tames two beasts.

"He has tamed two Blighthounds, always guarding him with their lives"

I win!

Now what would be nice is that when an undead hunter tames a beast the beast turns undead too.. but i guess with around 30 different different tameable specises thats a lot of work "making undead models" for little return.
 

By that logic. he has two pets out at a time and thus cannot be a hunter.

I win :)

Blizzard wins, we all lose.

Originally posted by fmnch35

Blizzard wins, we all lose.

Blizzard next expansion; World Of Warcraft: Extiction. All races go extinct, no more warcraft. Blizzard still makes billions. Bliz wins :P

Let me see if anyone can answer me this. Since this new expansion will use the phasing system, and suposing this is all true, for example i will see thousand needles underwater while a lvl 20 will see it like it is nowadays, is that it?

Honestly, if this comes to pass, it will pretty much mean the death of the Horde as we know it.  Thrall made Guardian of Tirisfal?  Ogrimmar destroyed?  Cairne accused of being a traitor and killed?  Sheesh, why don't they just go and make it World of Alliance ffs.  Well all I can say is I've been playing the game for 2.5 years and this is the biggest FUBAR I've seen to date.  Now where did I put that Aion beta invite??

oh and PS... still no Belf druids.

Cyn

Originally posted by tryklon

Let me see if anyone can answer me this. Since this new expansion will use the phasing system, and suposing this is all true, for example i will see thousand needles underwater while a lvl 20 will see it like it is nowadays, is that it?

Yap

I guess all those purple epic items you guys grinded 30- 50+ hours for are gonna be useless next years when this expansion comes out lol!

Originally posted by fmnch35

If the leaked details are true and most of the info from mmo-champ has been reliable in the past then that demonstrates how much Blizzard do not care about the people making them rich any more. Apart from meaningless racial bonuses and how the characters look and population imbalances there is no difference now between Horde and Alliance. The Lich King became nothing more than 3rd generation fans looking for even more quick winz than the 2nd generation. The first have long given up, I did.

What is the point in a character selection screen if these details are true?

Blizzard may as well have a screen come up saying "do you want to be generic character with horns or a generic character with a tail"?

Even now people STILL have to pay for classic version and burning crusade and obviously lich king when they get to northrend, not having the latest expansion is such a massive disadvantage that I suspect the only ones who dont have it are rent-a-farmer.

Name me one another MMO where you are forced to buy previous (5-6 yo) expansions to use the latest one.

The only cool parts I read were the changing parts to old azeroth. Even the mighty Blizzard will have server crashes.

If Blizzard was really cutting edge then that would make those changes on the fly without requiring a 2-day server downtime followed by a weak apology and a free 48-hour "whoops yeah whatever" AND make it part of the game, bringing back world pvp.

 

Am I the only one to find that Activision-Blizzard still claim 11.5 million play highly suspicious? It's neither gone up nor down by more or less than 50,000 (0.4%) in 10 months?

EverQuest, Dark Age of Camelot and Anarchy Online still make you buy some if not all of the older expansions before you can access the newest expansions.

Originally posted by tryklon

Let me see if anyone can answer me this. Since this new expansion will use the phasing system, and suposing this is all true, for example i will see thousand needles underwater while a lvl 20 will see it like it is nowadays, is that it?

If this leak is true, I dont see them using phasing, it would confuse too many, those with the new xpac cannot twink a friend and so on, also can they phase within a phase? so I think it will happen like so.

Every one will see the new azeroth, wether they just have vanillia wow, tbc wotlk or the new xpac, there will no doubt be events leading up to the big event and phasing it makes no sense to say a level 30 who saw the events leading up and then on expansion day its all gone and back to normal. does not make for a good consistant game experience.

To experince the 80+ content, roll the new races, new profession etc then yes you buy the expansion, but azeroth as we knew it come expansion day will be changed for all to see, even new players who start playing after will see the new azeroth, to them it would make no difference.

In short a new verison of azeroth is fine for new players and players returning will ove it too as the leveling from 1-60 will almost be like a new experience as many of the quests and locations will be different.

Originally posted by arctarus

Originally posted by tryklon

Let me see if anyone can answer me this. Since this new expansion will use the phasing system, and suposing this is all true, for example i will see thousand needles underwater while a lvl 20 will see it like it is nowadays, is that it?

 

Yap

Lol, and in case this proves to be true, this efectively makes it impossible than i can go and help a friend of a lower level than me, since he wont see me and the other way around.... good going blizzard

Originally posted by tryklon

Lol, so this efectively makes it impossible than i can go and help a friend of a lower level than me, since he wont see me and the other way around.... good going blizzard

If it stops run-throughs, then it's a good change.

I seriously hope this is all true information. I woudl love for azeroth to be changed to spice up the 1-60 game so I'll actually wanna go through it again - as a Goblin! Here's hoping!