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Champions Online

Champions Online 

General Discussion  » Champions Online is a prime example of why we have generic WoW clones running around.

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  4Renziks

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/06/07
Posts: 294

 
8/14/09 3:05:51 PM#1

1s't this is not a flame or a troll post, because in fact I have never played champions and iam only using whats on paper.  Also, for the sake of argument I want to leave the micro transaction arguement out of the equation because this is merely a business decision and while it could have a major impact for alot of people , i want to discuss the game itself and not it business decisions.  

I feel Champions Online is not getting enough attention...at least on these forums.  Here is a game that is getting rid of the same ole classes system, is not elves and orcs, has a butt load of customazation options, and has a list of things that are new or farely new but still seems niche.  The argument that is a superhero genre is ludicrious because if you look at all the super hereo movies that have been comming out in the last 8 years paints a different picture. 

Here is a random list of things I find interesting about Champions:

Create a character - yes finally i dont have to choose between 4 types of hair, skin tone, and 1 accessory.  This is a big big big thing here that i think people still dont get...you can make a character look like you want.

Custom skill tweaking - Yes, thats right! you can change the color of your powers to fit your character, and in some cases change where the power emits ( hands, chest , eyes ).  

There is armor! - Even tho i played CoX for about a year and enjoyed it, i did miss those item drops that boost my character, this changes with Champions and in addition to all the cosmetic customazation you can now itemize gear and statistics, very cool!

Public quests - Round 2 of public quest, and most people say one of the best features of WAR, It fits perfectly in a super hereo setting and here is to hope cryptic improves on the forumul

Active blocking - I dont know if this has been done before, but i like it...instead of having dice decide when you block, you decide...very cool.

Create your own nemesis -  this one iam sceptical...it will be fun to create my arch enemie, but it would have been cooler if this game had villians, but i guess it doesnt fit the lore and this could be a good subsitute..ill have to wait till level 25 to see.

Dozen + ways to travel - Pff Aion and your 45sec fly (not a flame , well kinda but i hope this game does well too)  Champions gives you alot of options in terms of travel...and it has Aerial fighting just like the game mentioned. 

Sidekicks - not new, but a system like this should be in every MMO imo.

1 server - i always like this about EvE and i hope it workds to CO benefit.

Final, NO CLASSES - thank allah, thank budda, thank jesus, thank the sun....classes are so 2000.

 

There is probably more that i havent covered...but iam excited for a change.  I hope this game gets more advertisment and attention then CoH got..for now i will just  have to accept anything that is not WoW formulaic will be niche.

 

 

 

 

playing: Dragon Age
Waiting: for FF14, Mass Effect
Want to try: Fallen Earth

  Vyeth

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8/14/09 3:08:36 PM#2

Before the trolls march in, I will say that I am excited too.. But boy oh boy are you in for the fight of your life once the Aion fans catch wind of this thread...lol

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  4Renziks

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/06/07
Posts: 294

 
8/14/09 3:11:12 PM#3

Lol , i knew i should of left that out, but i felt it was a good comparison...I played AION and thought it was a good game ... iam just looking for something a bit different...and reason why i threw the AION thing is because most fans think AION is the only game that has Aerial combat. 

playing: Dragon Age
Waiting: for FF14, Mass Effect
Want to try: Fallen Earth

  User Deleted
8/14/09 3:13:53 PM#4

Good read. Thanks for the post!

  Jpizzle

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Joined: 12/01/06
Posts: 396

8/14/09 3:28:57 PM#5

space saved for Mon when the NDA drops and I can point out in specifics. But ya... on paper... it does sound cool.

  Xasapis

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Posts: 5146

8/14/09 3:36:19 PM#6

What the OP left out was the major dealbreaker for me. I would have otherwise tried this game for certain.

  Devalon

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Joined: 11/26/03
Posts: 499

8/14/09 3:38:54 PM#7
Originally posted by Jpizzle

space saved for Mon when the NDA drops and I can point out in specifics. But ya... on paper... it does sound cool.

 

there still an nda? Yikes. I'm just waiting for the 17th for the "open" closed beta as well.

 

Edit: The op complaining about no one talking about it when there NDA on it. There none on Aion because it's release already.

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  4Renziks

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Joined: 12/06/07
Posts: 294

 
8/14/09 3:45:43 PM#8

I know there is an NDA, but there is alot of information out there, just have to look a little bit.  I guess my real complaint is that everyone says they want something new, fresh, and different...but when something that seems new , fresh, and different its labeled as a niche game or a failure. 

playing: Dragon Age
Waiting: for FF14, Mass Effect
Want to try: Fallen Earth

  wazzap2121

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Joined: 5/20/04
Posts: 150

8/14/09 3:49:03 PM#9

 You're correct.  This game has so many features and customization that it bothers me that it's not getting the attention it deserves.  I played Aion and to be honest(Bracing for flames) it to me just looks like an upgraded version of lineage 2.  Theres almost no customization and all classes are the same ol' stuff we've seen in every other mmo out there.  Flight yay.......Champions has like 10 different types of travel.  Active blocking is very nice so you can brace yourself from those big hits.  I just wish the customization went further so I could shoot bolts of lightning from my ass...lol.  But honestly, this game if it keeps to it's guns, it will do well and deserves so much more then it's given.

  MMO_Doubter

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Joined: 7/28/09
Posts: 5133

8/14/09 4:37:43 PM#10
Originally posted by Xasapis

What the OP left out was the major dealbreaker for me. I would have otherwise tried this game for certain.

 

Indeed. P2P+cash shop is a deal-breaker for me. PvP sounds like it will be very limited, as well.

 

"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2

  Ranyr

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Joined: 12/08/04
Posts: 147

8/14/09 4:47:43 PM#11

Just a clarification: There are lore villians and not just your Nemesis. OP didn't seem to know this.

  4Renziks

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/06/07
Posts: 294

 
8/14/09 4:53:00 PM#12
Originally posted by MMO_Doubter
Originally posted by Xasapis

What the OP left out was the major dealbreaker for me. I would have otherwise tried this game for certain.

 

Indeed. P2P+cash shop is a deal-breaker for me. PvP sounds like it will be very limited, as well.

 

I ask to leave this out, but i knew i would get these comments, i just propose this question....do you not play games that have leveling and gold selling services as well?
 

playing: Dragon Age
Waiting: for FF14, Mass Effect
Want to try: Fallen Earth

  4Renziks

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Joined: 12/06/07
Posts: 294

 
8/14/09 4:54:02 PM#13
Originally posted by Ranyr

Just a clarification: There are lore villians and not just your Nemesis. OP didn't seem to know this.

I know there are NPC villians, but i cannot create a villian...i heard the reason being is it didnt fit the lore.
 

playing: Dragon Age
Waiting: for FF14, Mass Effect
Want to try: Fallen Earth

  User Deleted
8/14/09 4:55:42 PM#14
Originally posted by 4Renziks

Here is a random list of things I find interesting about Champions:

Problem OP, is that a lot of the things you mention are either not new or are things that are cool but frankly are much less important than gameplay.

Also If the game isn't getting a lot of attention on this site, its perhaps due to mmo pre-launch burnout. Lot of mmo hype has turned to mmo crap over the last year, maybe people are just waiting for launch and free trial to see whats what. I know I am.

  comerb

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Joined: 7/20/08
Posts: 955

8/14/09 4:58:45 PM#15

There is one thing no one really gives it credit for.

Its graphics are really sharp.  Even if you don't like the art-style, you can't deny its a good looking game.  You can turn off the black outlines for anyone that didn't know to give it a much more traditional look.  The animations are outstandingly good.  Rockets twirl and spin before slamming into targets and exploding, lightning arcs impressively across the sky and really lights up the screen, causing target  to visually shake with shock, while the lightning arcs off to nearby targets, ,and much more.  Combine that with hue customization and emanation point customization and its just very impressive.  The powers are all hands down more visually impressive than anything else out in the MMO market.  And while all these flashy moves are going on, the combat remains a smooth as butter run and gun.  No jerky start and stop animation that keep you locked in place.

  4Renziks

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Joined: 12/06/07
Posts: 294

 
8/14/09 4:59:05 PM#16

How does unlimited customaztion not contribute to the overall game expierence....and MMO burnout...tell that over there to AION , which is already the next best thing but does nothing new...again iam not an AION hater, i merely use it as a comparision to the hype factor of Champions...i liked AION, but like i said i want something different, not a rehashed formula that has been done to death...Champions has some of that formula but seems to add just enough spice to make it different and truly refreshing. (I hope) 

playing: Dragon Age
Waiting: for FF14, Mass Effect
Want to try: Fallen Earth

  User Deleted
8/14/09 5:02:20 PM#17
Originally posted by 4Renziks

How does unlimited customaztion not contribute to the overall game expierence....and MMO burnout...tell that over there to AION , which is already the next best thing but does nothing new...again iam not an AION hater, i merely use it as a comparision to the hype factor of Champions...i liked AION, but like i said i want something different, not a rehashed formula that has been done to death...Champions has some of that formula but seems to add just enough spice to make it different and truly refreshing. (I hope) 

 

Unlimited customization is way cool and does add to the experience but its ultimately less important than gameplay becuase a well done game that really gets you, it doesn't matter how you look.

Also Aion was already launched. I know people that were playing the chinese ver. so there was definitely something to talk about not just stuff on paper.

 

  User Deleted
8/14/09 5:05:47 PM#18
Originally posted by 4Renziks
Originally posted by Ranyr

Just a clarification: There are lore villians and not just your Nemesis. OP didn't seem to know this.

I know there are NPC villians, but i cannot create a villian...i heard the reason being is it didnt fit the lore.
 

 

I don't know if what you heard is true, but it doesn't make sense. I played PnP Champions and there is nothing in the lore saying you can't be villain. Like any PnP game we made whatever chars we wanted.  They may say its against the lore, but its just a design decision.

  4Renziks

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/06/07
Posts: 294

 
8/14/09 5:07:05 PM#19
Originally posted by dhayes68
Originally posted by 4Renziks

How does unlimited customaztion not contribute to the overall game expierence....and MMO burnout...tell that over there to AION , which is already the next best thing but does nothing new...again iam not an AION hater, i merely use it as a comparision to the hype factor of Champions...i liked AION, but like i said i want something different, not a rehashed formula that has been done to death...Champions has some of that formula but seems to add just enough spice to make it different and truly refreshing. (I hope) 

 

Unlimited customization is way cool and does add to the experience but its ultimately less important than gameplay becuase a well done game that really gets you, it doesn't matter how you look.

Also Aion was already launched. I know people that were playing the chinese ver. so there was definitely something to talk about not just stuff on paper.

 

Iam sorry, i just dont get your point...are you saying some of these features might not be there at launch ala AoC? that would suck..monday cant come soon enough
 

playing: Dragon Age
Waiting: for FF14, Mass Effect
Want to try: Fallen Earth

  4Renziks

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Joined: 12/06/07
Posts: 294

 
8/14/09 5:08:36 PM#20
Originally posted by dhayes68
Originally posted by 4Renziks
Originally posted by Ranyr

Just a clarification: There are lore villians and not just your Nemesis. OP didn't seem to know this.

I know there are NPC villians, but i cannot create a villian...i heard the reason being is it didnt fit the lore.
 

 

I don't know if what you heard is true, but it doesn't make sense. I played PnP Champions and there is nothing in the lore saying you can't be villain. Like any PnP game we made whatever chars we wanted.  They may say its against the lore, but its just a design decision.

Thanks for the clairification, that does suck....this game would have more potential if there where factioned pvp...superheros and villians go hand and hand...maybe a future expansion like CoV
 

playing: Dragon Age
Waiting: for FF14, Mass Effect
Want to try: Fallen Earth

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