Originally posted by junzo316

Everyone keeps saying that the new patches will be launched when Aion goes live.  Has anyone tested these yet?  Everyone knows that new patches bring a few bugs....If it hasn't been tested, I don't think it will be as smooth as people claim it will be.  Especially a new patch which hasn't even been released in the Eastern market.  I could be wrong, and, according to my husband, I usually am.  I'm happy to see other games released.  It broadens the market, but the claims of the holy grail seem a bit far fetched.

There are quite a few bugs as it is in my opinion right now. More than I would have expected from the way some talk about how "smooth" things are.   I think their launch may go okay but not as smooth as some would like or one would expect seeing how the game was already released over seas.

short answer no

Originally posted by Leucrotta

All i need in AIon is 1 server i can play on that can keep me entertained. wheter it be 10k subs or 10 million.

You only see the numbers on you own server anyway, the rest is irrelivant for playability.

 

It's not irrelevant for updates, customer support, and bug fixes. Not irrelevant at all.

 While it may not fail as a commercial venture,

to me, it fails as a game, simply because it plays like a free to play mmo: clunky character customization (beyond the glitzy aesthetic stuff), nothing like talent trees or specialization beyond the vague archetypes "assassin" "ranger" "sorceror"... boring gameplay (nothing beyond pvm and pvp) uninspired storyline (oh look, another conflict which NOBODY CARES ABOUT! it has angels and demons too, yippy!) 

I guess that's fine for people who have never played an rpg or an mmorpg, but for everyone else... it's getting old.

other things: 

 - Very linear leveling path, you are assigned to zones... and if you don't like them, tough! 

 - Grinding, yep, plenty of grinding, koreans just seem to love it, clash of cultures type thing i guess.

 - Horribly kitschy art direction, While I somewhat enjoyed lineage 2, this is just over the top, borderline little girls fairy tale book.

 - Nothing new! While it cannot be said that aion fails in any respect which it attempts, it does not really attempt anything, sticking to the safe, boring, tried and trusted features which have made other games a success.  There is no bite to anything, just another androgenous, homogenized, saccharine looking playground for people afraid of going outside.  

All in all, I think it's a step back in mmo development, while it is true that innovation cannot be the staple of an mmo on its own, it is also not something which it can be without: aion does not even attempt to innovate in any way, and before anyone says "flight", it's in other games too, the developers in it just weren't stupid enough to let you fight while mounted, because it ends up playing and looking like men in suits fighting, flailing around like spastics. 

In short, yes, Aion faces the same fate as Age of Conan and Warhammer Online: it will fall by the wayside, in the bargain bin... and only the delusional fan boys with nothing better to do will tout it as the messiah, and i wager to bet that even they won't be happy playing it, converting would-be followers is far more fun eh?

Originally posted by helioth

All in all, I think it's a step back in mmo development, while it is true that innovation cannot be the staple of an mmo on its own, it is also not something which it can be without: aion does not even attempt to innovate in any way, and before anyone says "flight", it's in other games too, the developers in it just weren't stupid enough to let you fight while mounted, because it ends up playing and looking like men in suits fighting, flailing around like spastics. 

In short, yes, Aion faces the same fate as Age of Conan and Warhammer Online: it will fall by the wayside, in the bargain bin... and only the delusional fan boys with nothing better to do will tout it as the messiah, and i wager to bet that even they won't be happy playing it, converting would-be followers is far more fun eh?

This game has a lot more to offer than either of those games do.  I'm not going to go into the issues with AoC or Warhammer for the umpteenth time because its a separate topic within itself.  Aion is probably not going to be the top dog like some think or wish but I see it doing a lot better than Warhammer and AoC in the long run assuming they do a good job updating and managing the game.

This seemed like such a small and obvious net, but the size of the catch is amazing.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by junzo316

Everyone keeps saying that the new patches will be launched when Aion goes live.  Has anyone tested these yet?  Everyone knows that new patches bring a few bugs....If it hasn't been tested, I don't think it will be as smooth as people claim it will be.  Especially a new patch which hasn't even been released in the Eastern market.  I could be wrong, and, according to my husband, I usually am.  I'm happy to see other games released.  It broadens the market, but the claims of the holy grail seem a bit far fetched.

 

There are quite a few bugs as it is in my opinion right now. More than I would have expected from the way some talk about how "smooth" things are.   I think their launch may go okay but not as smooth as some would like or one would expect seeing how the game was already released over seas.

Keep in mind you guys currently play an outdated version directly after release. Allot of those bugs you see have been fixed already, after 10 months the version you guys play is on retail now. As for the new patches 1.1, 1.2 and 1.5. The first two ones are also about a half year old and they still remove bugs obviously.

The only ptach that could have about the number of bugs appearing, as we see in the current western beta version, is the new 1.5 patch, as we dont now what version of the 1.5 patch we will recieve. They are right now already fixing bugs in the new patch. For most we will hardly see  all the bugs of a new released patch,  except they change the pace with releasing patches for western audition a few months later like they do in their other games too (mostly because of localization) to simultanious releases.

Betatest or better said the previews are an exception as they all use the same long outdated client and obviously will still have the same old bugs.

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Originally posted by Cammy

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Originally posted by rr2real

Curious cause I don't want to buy another doomed MMO 

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ROFL
 
It will.. just stay clear away....... you don't want to be anywhere close to this titanic when it launches
 
Now go.... shoo

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You make some good points.

Really gave me alot to think about.

Who can argue with his reasoning?

Originally posted by Carnivorous

This game is boring and its combat system + skills are absolutely dull. But it works unlike WAR and AoC so yeah...

FFS GW2 WHERE ARE YOU?

And why does AOC and WAR "not work" ?? they dont have any more problems than the million other mmo games out there at the minute and dont quote me the gliches and bugs because that shows you just played the game for the 30 days at launch because there is hardley any noticable ones in there now and i dont think guild wars is perfect peps only play it because its free after buying the box

Originally posted by Zippy

I guess it depends on your definition of fail.  Based on what I would guess would be their business model the game is already a success.  Aion is not being targetted towards the Western market like Warhammer and AoC were.  Rather Aion's business model is likely much more like Lineage and FF11s business models where they make their money from the Asian market first and foremost and only add a little extra from the western market.  With Aion's success in Asia already and the fickle nature of western PvP players the safest place to concentrate their energy is Asia with our market just being a small added profit.  The question is will they support the game better in the western market than they did with L2?

Are you smoking something? Must be good. Either that or you are very ill informed. Aion was built from ground up to appeal to the western market.

Also, do you even realize how important the west is? The west isn't "Add a little extra". EVERY western subscription is equal to about 4-5 korean subscriptions. Yes, we westerners are LOADED on the value of our currency compaired to china or korea... If the west is able to rake in even 1 million subscripers. That's the same quarterly income as if korea had 4-5 million subscribers!

Originally posted by helioth

 While it may not fail as a commercial venture,

to me, it fails as a game, simply because it plays like a free to play mmo: clunky character customization (beyond the glitzy aesthetic stuff), nothing like talent trees or specialization beyond the vague archetypes "assassin" "ranger" "sorceror"... boring gameplay (nothing beyond pvm and pvp) uninspired storyline (oh look, another conflict which NOBODY CARES ABOUT! it has angels and demons too, yippy!) 

I guess that's fine for people who have never played an rpg or an mmorpg, but for everyone else... it's getting old.

other things: 

 

 - Very linear leveling path, you are assigned to zones... and if you don't like them, tough! 

 - Grinding, yep, plenty of grinding, koreans just seem to love it, clash of cultures type thing i guess.

 - Horribly kitschy art direction, While I somewhat enjoyed lineage 2, this is just over the top, borderline little girls fairy tale book.

 - Nothing new! While it cannot be said that aion fails in any respect which it attempts, it does not really attempt anything, sticking to the safe, boring, tried and trusted features which have made other games a success.  There is no bite to anything, just another androgenous, homogenized, saccharine looking playground for people afraid of going outside.  

 

All in all, I think it's a step back in mmo development, while it is true that innovation cannot be the staple of an mmo on its own, it is also not something which it can be without: aion does not even attempt to innovate in any way, and before anyone says "flight", it's in other games too, the developers in it just weren't stupid enough to let you fight while mounted, because it ends up playing and looking like men in suits fighting, flailing around like spastics. 

In short, yes, Aion faces the same fate as Age of Conan and Warhammer Online: it will fall by the wayside, in the bargain bin... and only the delusional fan boys with nothing better to do will tout it as the messiah, and i wager to bet that even they won't be happy playing it, converting would-be followers is far more fun eh?

I have the complete opposite opinion of you... and I've played "popular" MMO released over the past decade. I'd consider myself a "mmo" or "rpg" vet. 

We all have a different opinion, doesn't mean any of them are wrong... you don't like it, fine - I do... so Ill continue to play, and you'll play whatever you decide. 

Originally posted by raysie

Originally posted by Carnivorous

This game is boring and its combat system + skills are absolutely dull. But it works unlike WAR and AoC so yeah...

FFS GW2 WHERE ARE YOU?

 

And why does AOC and WAR "not work" ?? they dont have any more problems than the million other mmo games out there at the minute and dont quote me the gliches and bugs because that shows you just played the game for the 30 days at launch because there is hardley any noticable ones in there now and i dont think guild wars is perfect peps only play it because its free after buying the box

AOC is only held back by its creators and Warhammer is one of the best games I have ever played, so I agree both work very well, or at least as well as the rest of the running.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by MyDcmbr81

If you have never had a crash to desktop from an OOM error, but have mutiple 80's and done over 100 sieges,then you have never actually played AoC.

What server do you play on? There are very few guilds that have even participated in over 100 sieges total. Not saying I don't believe you, but I don't believe you.

 

Maybe he just started playing it recently?  I would imagine by now they've fixed the majority of the issues.  He certainly wasn't playing that game the first six months it was out though that's for sure. 

He has multiple level 80s so we know he's been playing at least a couple weeks. If it was just one I would say a week or two but multiple means he's probably been playing for about a month.

>_>

Only problem with that theory is the sieging. Sieges have been crashing left and right since 1.05 went live and thus siegeing has basically died on all the servers and when attempted, rarely are played all the way thru due to crashes that reset the zone.

It is sort of interesting that Guild Wars 2 will be coming out by NCSoft as well. Assuming Guild Wars 2 still has the great PvP combat ect that NCSoft bragged about in Guild Wars.... they they will have a similiar target audience... Especially since Guild Wars 2 is suppose to be more like a traditional MMO. I don't really have a point, it's just interesting. :)

Well, Lineage 2 and the original Guild Wars didn't collide in any way, so I don't see why Aion and GW2 will.

Originally posted by Crosswire

 

AOC is only held back by its creators and Warhammer is one of the best games I have ever played, so I agree both work very well, or at least as well as the rest of the running.

I don't know about AoC, but I have played Warhammer since release. Get serious.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Crosswire

 

AOC is only held back by its creators and Warhammer is one of the best games I have ever played, so I agree both work very well, or at least as well as the rest of the running.

I don't know about AoC, but I have played Warhammer since release. Get serious.

Are you trying to tell me that you have played Warhammer from release and you don't even like the game?

I just finished the last 'closed beta'...I thought the game was nice...

But why didn't they just call it Lineage III?

/flame suit

I played L2 for a few months and the following similarities were immediately apparent:

• The models/animations
  
• The goofy oriental(ish) spell casting Voice-Over every time you cast a spell/move/fart.
  
• The Menu/Options
  
• The way your toon moves/interacts with stuff. (technical term there)
  

Don't get me wrong, the game was fun. Similar to WoW's gameplay. I only had time to get 1 character to 10...but I enjoyed it.

The quests were well written and had a enthralling story line.

Lots of good stuff.

I don't think that AION is going to fail, as in, Tabula Rasa

...but it's just Lineage with a new (sexy) coat of paint.

Lineage III is still under development. And the two games are quite different in terms of game mechanics. That's why, despite Aion launching in Korea, it didn't affect Lineage II subscriptions.

Originally posted by Crosswire

Are you trying to tell me that you have played Warhammer from release and you don't even like the game?

Liking the game is a long way from "one of the best games I have played". It doesn't "work very well'. I tolerate the flaws (which are many) for the sake of the PvP.