There seams to be a lot people that are not happy with the way Blizzard have handled Warcraft . Its still an undeniably popular mmo even if its subsciptions seam to have peaked ( which goes beyond the situation in china ) and is now in a slow but inevitable decline . The question now really is whether you would trust Blizzard to handle their new mmo without falling into the same pitfalls ??

Option C pretty much describes how many of the people who played the original game feel; we were, without a doubt, betrayed by the developers. Every single thing they told us back then turned out to be a lie later on, and every promise they made was broken.

I really dont get the gist of your post, if  WoW is in decline it should be the game is 5 years old.  I don't play the game anymore because it got to be the same ole same ole but it kept me entertained for 2 - 3 years.

I wouldn't be playing WoW now either if it was still in vanilla form, a game has to evolve for it to continue into longevity and that is what WoW has done, whether you or myself like those changes don't mean much they were obviously the right choices in general, their sub numbers prove that.

If Blizz can make another mmo that keeps me entertained for 2 - 3 years I'm all for it.

Originally posted by Cavall

Option C pretty much describes how many of the people who played the original game feel; we were, without a doubt, betrayed by the developers. Every single thing they told us back then turned out to be a lie later on, and every promise they made was broken.

Such as?

Give five examples.

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Cavall

Option C pretty much describes how many of the people who played the original game feel; we were, without a doubt, betrayed by the developers. Every single thing they told us back then turned out to be a lie later on, and every promise they made was broken.

 

Such as?

Give five examples.

1.  Cross faction transfers

2. Class balance.

3. Promises of "meaningful" PVP.

4. Character recustomization, including gender and name changes.

5.  Wanting 310% mounts to mean something ( Hello Ony Retcon!)

Want more?

Originally posted by Cavall

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Cavall

Option C pretty much describes how many of the people who played the original game feel; we were, without a doubt, betrayed by the developers. Every single thing they told us back then turned out to be a lie later on, and every promise they made was broken.

 

Such as?

Give five examples.

 

1.  Cross faction transfers

2. Class balance.

3. Promises of "meaningful" PVP.

4. Character recustomization, including gender and name changes.

5.  Wanting 310% mounts to mean something ( Hello Ony Retcon!)

 

Want more?

Owned.

However, I love Diablo 2 and Starcraft, and seeing as sequels to both those games are being made, I feel like I owe it to them to play it. If it sucks, well atleast I have a cool looking box to put into my collection of failures I've bought recently, I'll probably place them next to the Collector's Edition of AoC and WAR.

People here at mmorpg.com are insane.

Originally posted by Cavall

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Cavall

Option C pretty much describes how many of the people who played the original game feel; we were, without a doubt, betrayed by the developers. Every single thing they told us back then turned out to be a lie later on, and every promise they made was broken.

 

Such as?

Give five examples.

 

1.  Cross faction transfers

2. Class balance.

3. Promises of "meaningful" PVP.

4. Character recustomization, including gender and name changes.

5.  Wanting 310% mounts to mean something ( Hello Ony Retcon!)

 

Want more?

Hmm game breaking stuff there.

Btw no game has achieved class balance when you use the rock / paper / scissor format, it's impossible.

I hate to break it to you but if you think all those things show the blizzard betrayed you think again. They re-evaluated and made changes that I guarentee makes more people happy than angry. People upset complain on forums. people who are happy are busy playing. *shrug* 

I'd trust Blizzard again in a heart beat. With ALL MMOs you need to be able to adjust to change. ALL of them have there "epic changes that ruined the game" so to speak.

I honestly wish I had join on the WoW bandwagon earlier because now it's too late... I had fun with WoW for about a year but now I'm just going to wait for Aion GW2 and FFXIV though if Blizzard makes a new MMO (which it is) I will def pay attention and mostlikely try it out at release.

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Cavall

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Cavall

Option C pretty much describes how many of the people who played the original game feel; we were, without a doubt, betrayed by the developers. Every single thing they told us back then turned out to be a lie later on, and every promise they made was broken.

 

Such as?

Give five examples.

 

1.  Cross faction transfers

2. Class balance.

3. Promises of "meaningful" PVP.

4. Character recustomization, including gender and name changes.

5.  Wanting 310% mounts to mean something ( Hello Ony Retcon!)

 

Want more?

Hmm game breaking stuff there.

Btw no game has achieved class balance when you use the rock / paper / scissor format, it's impossible.

You asked about things they lied about. I delivered. They promised class balance, and then went back on their promise. They said they would never allow cross faction transfers, then said they have no plans to, then went back on that 2 weeks later. THey said they wanted 310% flying mounts to be reserved as a status symbol for those who have done something truly grand; now Ony will drop one. They said they wanted a person to have some sort of pride in their ingame avatar; now they can give their NE male a sexchange op, and soon to be a race change, too. They said back in BC and the original game that theyw anted pvp to mean something; now its a joke. I can go on and on, but the feeling is that the original players, whoa re hardcore by today's standards, feel completely betrayed by Blizzard, and will never play one of their games again. They're a casual company now, and I for one am just not the type who feels that I should be handed everything on a silver platter, even in a game.

Trust isnt an issue If i like a game i play it, if it changes and i dont like it i leave. Sure i will  think on giving blizzards new mmo a shot if it sounds interesting to me if it doesnt i wont.

Originally posted by natuxatu

I hate to break it to you but if you think all those things show the blizzard betrayed you think again. They re-evaluated and made changes that I guarentee makes more people happy than angry. People upset complain on forums. people who are happy are busy playing. *shrug* 

I'd trust Blizzard again in a heart beat. With ALL MMOs you need to be able to adjust to change. ALL of them have there "epic changes that ruined the game" so to speak.

I honestly wish I had join on the WoW bandwagon earlier because now it's too late... I had fun with WoW for about a year but now I'm just going to wait for Aion GW2 and FFXIV though if Blizzard makes a new MMO (which it is) I will def pay attention and mostlikely try it out at release.

Believe me, Natu, you didn't miss anything. I've played FFXI (where your tar is from) as well as this game, both to the endgame content. Warcraft lacks the community and sense of accomplishment that  most other MMOs have.

And I'm listing actual promises and blizzard dev posts stating they would NEVER do something, and then they went around and did it.

Originally posted by Cavall

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Cavall

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Cavall

Option C pretty much describes how many of the people who played the original game feel; we were, without a doubt, betrayed by the developers. Every single thing they told us back then turned out to be a lie later on, and every promise they made was broken.

 

Such as?

Give five examples.

 

1.  Cross faction transfers

2. Class balance.

3. Promises of "meaningful" PVP.

4. Character recustomization, including gender and name changes.

5.  Wanting 310% mounts to mean something ( Hello Ony Retcon!)

 

Want more?

Hmm game breaking stuff there.

Btw no game has achieved class balance when you use the rock / paper / scissor format, it's impossible.

 

You asked about things they lied about. I delivered. They promised class balance, and then went back on their promise. They said they would never allow cross faction transfers, then said they have no plans to, then went back on that 2 weeks later. THey said they wanted 310% flying mounts to be reserved as a status symbol for those who have done something truly grand; now Ony will drop one. They said they wanted a person to have some sort of pride in their ingame avatar; now they can give their NE male a sexchange op, and soon to be a race change, too. They said back in BC and the original game that theyw anted pvp to mean something; now its a joke. I can go on and on, but the feeling is that the original players, whoa re hardcore by today's standards, feel completely betrayed by Blizzard, and will never play one of their games again. They're a casual company now, and I for one am just not the type who feels that I should be handed everything on a silver platter, even in a game.

Ok my last post in this thread, defending WoW is making me feel... magu.

Anyways, none of that crap matters that you stated other than the class balance (which they have tried to do, but is impossible in any game unless every class is the same) and meaningful pvp.  What is meaningful pvp?  I'm not a fan of WoW's pvp system but it's more "meaningful" in today's enviroment than vanilla.

To keep a game going for 5 years plus it has to evolve, I haven't agreed with alot of the changes myself, hence why I do not play.  But my point in this thread to begin with is if Blizz can make another polished game and keep me entertained for 2 - 3 years I'm all for it.

Not getting into the argument of broken promises and deception.

Short answer is Yes I would trust Blizzard again. They have one of the best track records of any game production company.

You can not really argue with that.

Diablo

Warcraft

Starcraft

Blizzard is awesome, I don't know how anybody can say Blizzard as a company is anything but an awesome gaming company.  I'm not even playing WoW at the moment, although I did have a great 2 years in it.

 blizzard didn't do anything wrong lol

Why not trust Blizzard? It's as if they didn't make any game besides WoW, and as if WoW itself is really bad, while one may not agree with their design directions and cancel their subscription because of it, you can't really say WoW is a bad game.

If people still trust Mythic and SOE, why would they not trust Blizzard?

Originally posted by Cavall

Originally posted by natuxatu

I hate to break it to you but if you think all those things show the blizzard betrayed you think again. They re-evaluated and made changes that I guarentee makes more people happy than angry. People upset complain on forums. people who are happy are busy playing. *shrug* 

I'd trust Blizzard again in a heart beat. With ALL MMOs you need to be able to adjust to change. ALL of them have there "epic changes that ruined the game" so to speak.

I honestly wish I had join on the WoW bandwagon earlier because now it's too late... I had fun with WoW for about a year but now I'm just going to wait for Aion GW2 and FFXIV though if Blizzard makes a new MMO (which it is) I will def pay attention and mostlikely try it out at release.

 

Believe me, Natu, you didn't miss anything. I've played FFXI (where your tar is from) as well as this game, both to the endgame content. Warcraft lacks the community and sense of accomplishment that  most other MMOs have.

And I'm listing actual promises and blizzard dev posts stating they would NEVER do something, and then they went around and did it

You're a tit.  I'll trust Blizzard ten times over before any other company except Anet, and I'd say that's equal for both.  Let's go down the list of shit they did right: Blizzard, Diablo, Diablo 2, Starcraft, the Warcraft games, and WoW.  I don't play WoW, and haven't done more than a trial sub, but only a moron would say, "I wouldn't trust a company that gets 12 MILLION PEOPLE to pay 15 bucks a month over the past year, and has been the leader the past 3 years, aside from releasing smooth updates and expansions, to make another decent MMO."  

The OP's  attempt to feed off the WoW hate backfired as well, as over half the people picked "yes".  Try popping into reality for a few seconds.

Yeah I would trust Blizzard again because they are a good game company but they need to learn to make better expanions for WoW.  I love Blizzard when it comes to Starcraft and Diablo though!

Originally posted by haggus71

Originally posted by Cavall

Originally posted by natuxatu

I hate to break it to you but if you think all those things show the blizzard betrayed you think again. They re-evaluated and made changes that I guarentee makes more people happy than angry. People upset complain on forums. people who are happy are busy playing. *shrug* 

I'd trust Blizzard again in a heart beat. With ALL MMOs you need to be able to adjust to change. ALL of them have there "epic changes that ruined the game" so to speak.

I honestly wish I had join on the WoW bandwagon earlier because now it's too late... I had fun with WoW for about a year but now I'm just going to wait for Aion GW2 and FFXIV though if Blizzard makes a new MMO (which it is) I will def pay attention and mostlikely try it out at release.

 

Believe me, Natu, you didn't miss anything. I've played FFXI (where your tar is from) as well as this game, both to the endgame content. Warcraft lacks the community and sense of accomplishment that  most other MMOs have.

And I'm listing actual promises and blizzard dev posts stating they would NEVER do something, and then they went around and did it

You're a tit.  I'll trust Blizzard ten times over before any other company except Anet, and I'd say that's equal for both.  Let's go down the list of shit they did right: Blizzard, Diablo, Diablo 2, Starcraft, the Warcraft games, and WoW.  I don't play WoW, and haven't done more than a trial sub, but only a moron would say, "I wouldn't trust a company that gets 12 MILLION PEOPLE to pay 15 bucks a month over the past year, and has been the leader the past 3 years, aside from releasing smooth updates and expansions, to make another decent MMO."  

The OP's  attempt to feed off the WoW hate backfired as well, as over half the people picked "yes".  Try popping into reality for a few seconds.

umm..its really much less than 12 mil paying 15 a month. Their playerbase was nearly 70% Chinese, and now, with their issues in that region, they've lost a few million or so to Aion, Perfect World (which boasts a worldwide playerbase of 50 million, according to their ads), and other local games. Also, they pay for hours there, not monthly fees. For isntance they can buy a cardfor 50 hours..and then play 1 hour a week for 50 weeks. Also, they count even inactive Chinese accounts due to this business model, so its more than likely closer to 7 mil worldwide at this point that actually pay on a monthly basis in one form or another. Only thing worse than someone who blindly hates is someone who blindly trusts; there is no denying their game is successful, but at the same time, anyone who has played the game since its release could never say Blizzard has been a truthful company since they were bought by Vivendi.

In short, success does not make trust, in fact the most successfull companies and people are extremely adept at lying and then pushing it under the rug. Microsoft, anyone? How about George W.? <.<