Interesting read and some old pics from alpha.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/the-making-of-world-of-warcraft-article?page=1

That was... 5 years ago.

 Haha, why did you take the memory lane? Considering quitting?

Originally posted by Xasapis

 Haha, why did you take the memory lane? Considering quitting?

Nah, saw it posted on wow.com... always good to to rememeber.. they are posting another part next week talking about after the release and some fo their decisions.

WoW Pre-BC was the best imo. Thanks for the read. 

Originally posted by Joker2240

WoW Pre-BC was the best imo. Thanks for the read. 

Yes it was my friend, yes it was.

-Jive

sounds good

Originally posted by Joker2240

WoW Pre-BC was the best imo. Thanks for the read. 

agree. If only they had chosen a different approach to expanding the game....I might still be playing

While were on the subject here are 3 professionaly put together videos charting the rise of warcraft

http://www.gametrailers.com/game/the-warcraft-retrospective/10434

Good stuff.

pre BC was the best for one reason World PvP.......peroid

Originally posted by Martie

Originally posted by Joker2240

WoW Pre-BC was the best imo. Thanks for the read. 

 

Dont even be fooled into thinking it was.  Yeah there were alot of damn good memeroies back then ebcause everythign seemd so new.  But For damn as hell I dont want those days back of long ass faction grids, and yes they were huge damn faction grinds back then.  Instances that would just make ur eyes bleed for the tediuos hours they took.  UBRS and LBRS just took the piss big time.  40 mans raid, where 20 people were afk and just on follow, raid dungeons that would take hours and hours.  The only things back then were the huge pvp fights on pvp servers at BRM b4 raids into MC and BWL, and the daily pvp at XR, STV, azshara etc.  They were good times, but for hell I dont want those dman tediuos grinds or dungeon runs back eevr again.  And no they werent fun they were boring and tediuos as hell.

Here we go. The angry casual who never got past Lucifron decides he/she/it knows my mind better than I do. Thanks, Dr Martie. You obviously know how I feel better than I do. Besides the fact you've never met me, or know anything about me.

What I just find amazing about people like martie with their "you only liked pre-BC WoW because it was new!" is that they just assume that WoW was everyone's  first mmorpg like it was for them. What about those of use who tried UO, EQ and SWG but didnt like them? First time I played an mmorpg was back in early 1998, 7 years before I started playing WoW.

Couple of years ago I downloaded a Commodore 64 emulator and played the game Pirates! I was addicted to that game. I played it again and guess what, its still a great game. Even though its played on a gaming platform that has 30 year old technology.

But I digress. I should repent and join the "everything new is better" brigade.

I like classic WoW because the zones are more interesting rather the treadmill zones of WotLK where everything is packed on top right of each other so the ADHD Ritalin kiddies dont get bored.

I like the immersion and atmosphere of classic WoW. I love the non linear dungeons like BRD. I love that fact that the 5 man instances werent just 20 mins of hallway, boss, hallway.

Not all of us are mindless idiots that can only concentrate 20 mins at a time.

Originally posted by Martie

Originally posted by chunky_slice

Originally posted by Martie

Originally posted by Joker2240

WoW Pre-BC was the best imo. Thanks for the read. 

 

Dont even be fooled into thinking it was.  Yeah there were alot of damn good memeroies back then ebcause everythign seemd so new.  But For damn as hell I dont want those days back of long ass faction grids, and yes they were huge damn faction grinds back then.  Instances that would just make ur eyes bleed for the tediuos hours they took.  UBRS and LBRS just took the piss big time.  40 mans raid, where 20 people were afk and just on follow, raid dungeons that would take hours and hours.  The only things back then were the huge pvp fights on pvp servers at BRM b4 raids into MC and BWL, and the daily pvp at XR, STV, azshara etc.  They were good times, but for hell I dont want those dman tediuos grinds or dungeon runs back eevr again.  And no they werent fun they were boring and tediuos as hell.

 

Here we go. The angry casual who never got past Lucifron decides he/she/it knows my mind better than I do. Thanks, Dr Martie. You obviously know how I feel better than I do. Besides the fact you've never met me, or know anything about me.

What I just find amazing about people like martie with their "you only liked pre-BC WoW because it was new!" is that they just assume that WoW was everyone's  first mmorpg like it was for them. What about those of use who tried UO, EQ and SWG but didnt like them? First time I played an mmorpg was back in early 1998, 7 years before I started playing WoW.

Couple of years ago I downloaded a Commodore 64 emulator and played the game Pirates! I was addicted to that game. I played it again and guess what, its still a great game. Even though its played on a gaming platform that has 30 year old technology.

But I digress. I should repent and join the "everything new is better" brigade.

I like classic WoW because the zones are more interesting rather the treadmill zones of WotLK where everything is packed on top right of each other so the ADHD Ritalin kiddies dont get bored.

I like the immersion and atmosphere of classic WoW. I love the non linear dungeons like BRD. I love that fact that the 5 man instances werent just 20 mins of hallway, boss, hallway.

Not all of us are mindless idiots that can only concentrate 20 mins at a time.

 

Hey noob, I was no casual back then I cleared everything except naxx, b4 u even set foot in ZG.  So dont even start your crap.  Its nothing about concentration u retard.  Nobody wants to sit through hours and hours of fuucking tediuos grinds like pre TBC had.   Yes some people liked it back then but by lookijg at the bloody figures for  1% of you idiots that kepe syaing that u quit and likedd it back then, there are 99% of the rest still playing and actually dont want the tediuos grinds of the old days back ever again.  Dont even begin to think raids back then were skillfull or antying because they were, so dont start ur crap about lucifron because untill you actually got to a boss, half the raids were on afk anyway, hell when UBRS were on 20 man runs, half of then were afk.  So dont even start u shit about me not knowing anything.  BECAUSE THOSE DAYS OF TEDIUOS HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MOths AND MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS o grind are over thank god.  Like I said the only things I woudl take back, are the epic feelings of world pvp back then.  So get back to your commodore 64 and feel ur 8immersion.

Lets see:

Calling someone a "Noob" - Check!

Using Countless nonsensical abbreviations - Check!

Bragging about how fast you leveled up in World of Warcraft - Check!

Cap Locks - Check!

Congratulations your now offically a jackass!

-Jive

[quote]Hey noob, I was no casual back then I cleared everything except naxx, b4 u even set foot in ZG. So dont even start your crap. Its nothing about concentration u retard. Nobody wants to sit through hours and hours of fuucking tediuos grinds like pre TBC had. Yes some people liked it back then but by lookijg at the bloody figures for 1% of you idiots that kepe syaing that u quit and likedd it back then, there are 99% of the rest still playing and actually dont want the tediuos grinds of the old days back ever again. Dont even begin to think raids back then were skillfull or antying because they were, so dont start ur crap about lucifron because untill you actually got to a boss, half the raids were on afk anyway, hell when UBRS were on 20 man runs, half of then were afk. So dont even start u shit about me not knowing anything. BECAUSE THOSE DAYS OF TEDIUOS HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MOths AND MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS o grind are over thank god. Like I said the only things I woudl take back, are the epic feelings of world pvp back then. So get back to your commodore 64 and feel ur 8immersion.[/quote]

How is it that you feel so strongly about the subject?

You can't escape the fact that many players who enjoyed Vanilla or early TBC have left the game. There are many reasons, but one that often comes up is the lack of challenge. Not everyone agrees with the direction Blizzard has taken WoW. Sure it is ten times better for a casual player now, but that does not mean that everyone is happy with it.

There were some tedious parts, but that does not mean that TBC and WoTLK went to right direction. I can even appreciated some changes like the ones relating to consumables. However, the general direction of dungeon and encounter design has gone downhill, as has the way Blizzard rewards players. 

Originally posted by Martie

Originally posted by chunky_slice

Originally posted by Martie

Originally posted by Joker2240

WoW Pre-BC was the best imo. Thanks for the read. 

 

Dont even be fooled into thinking it was.  Yeah there were alot of damn good memeroies back then ebcause everythign seemd so new.  But For damn as hell I dont want those days back of long ass faction grids, and yes they were huge damn faction grinds back then.  Instances that would just make ur eyes bleed for the tediuos hours they took.  UBRS and LBRS just took the piss big time.  40 mans raid, where 20 people were afk and just on follow, raid dungeons that would take hours and hours.  The only things back then were the huge pvp fights on pvp servers at BRM b4 raids into MC and BWL, and the daily pvp at XR, STV, azshara etc.  They were good times, but for hell I dont want those dman tediuos grinds or dungeon runs back eevr again.  And no they werent fun they were boring and tediuos as hell.

 

Here we go. The angry casual who never got past Lucifron decides he/she/it knows my mind better than I do. Thanks, Dr Martie. You obviously know how I feel better than I do. Besides the fact you've never met me, or know anything about me.

What I just find amazing about people like martie with their "you only liked pre-BC WoW because it was new!" is that they just assume that WoW was everyone's  first mmorpg like it was for them. What about those of use who tried UO, EQ and SWG but didnt like them? First time I played an mmorpg was back in early 1998, 7 years before I started playing WoW.

Couple of years ago I downloaded a Commodore 64 emulator and played the game Pirates! I was addicted to that game. I played it again and guess what, its still a great game. Even though its played on a gaming platform that has 30 year old technology.

But I digress. I should repent and join the "everything new is better" brigade.

I like classic WoW because the zones are more interesting rather the treadmill zones of WotLK where everything is packed on top right of each other so the ADHD Ritalin kiddies dont get bored.

I like the immersion and atmosphere of classic WoW. I love the non linear dungeons like BRD. I love that fact that the 5 man instances werent just 20 mins of hallway, boss, hallway.

Not all of us are mindless idiots that can only concentrate 20 mins at a time.

 

Hey noob, I was no casual back then I cleared everything except naxx, b4 u even set foot in ZG.  So dont even start your crap.  Its nothing about concentration u retard.  Nobody wants to sit through hours and hours of fuucking tediuos grinds like pre TBC had.   Yes some people liked it back then but by lookijg at the bloody figures for  1% of you idiots that kepe syaing that u quit and likedd it back then, there are 99% of the rest still playing and actually dont want the tediuos grinds of the old days back ever again.  Dont even begin to think raids back then were skillfull or antying because they were, so dont start ur crap about lucifron because untill you actually got to a boss, half the raids were on afk anyway, hell when UBRS were on 20 man runs, half of then were afk.  So dont even start u shit about me not knowing anything.  BECAUSE THOSE DAYS OF TEDIUOS HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MOths AND MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS o grind are over thank god.  Like I said the only things I woudl take back, are the epic feelings of world pvp back then.  So get back to your commodore 64 and feel ur 8immersion.

Nice nerd rage you got going on there ...

You get Holonist's Paw of Approval .

Originally posted by Martie

Originally posted by thexrated

[quote]Hey noob, I was no casual back then I cleared everything except naxx, b4 u even set foot in ZG. So dont even start your crap. Its nothing about concentration u retard. Nobody wants to sit through hours and hours of fuucking tediuos grinds like pre TBC had. Yes some people liked it back then but by lookijg at the bloody figures for 1% of you idiots that kepe syaing that u quit and likedd it back then, there are 99% of the rest still playing and actually dont want the tediuos grinds of the old days back ever again. Dont even begin to think raids back then were skillfull or antying because they were, so dont start ur crap about lucifron because untill you actually got to a boss, half the raids were on afk anyway, hell when UBRS were on 20 man runs, half of then were afk. So dont even start u shit about me not knowing anything. BECAUSE THOSE DAYS OF TEDIUOS HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MOths AND MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS o grind are over thank god. Like I said the only things I woudl take back, are the epic feelings of world pvp back then. So get back to your commodore 64 and feel ur 8immersion.[/quote]

How is it that you feel so strongly about the subject?

You can't escape the fact that many players who enjoyed Vanilla or early TBC have left the game. There are many reasons, but one that often comes up is the lack of challenge. Not everyone agrees with the direction Blizzard has taken WoW. Sure it is ten times better for a casual player now, but that does not mean that everyone is happy with it.

There were some tedious parts, but that does not mean that TBC and WoTLK went to right direction. I can even appreciated some changes like the ones relating to consumables. However, the general direction of dungeon and encounter design has gone downhill, as has the way Blizzard rewards players. 

 

 

 

Hell i never said everytihg about TBC and Wotlk went the right way, I said the tediuos grinds of the past they went the right way.  Bcause sure has hell I am sure alot of people dont want to go back to the days of playing the game as if it were a 2nd job.

You know what the most boring job I ever had was? A bowling alley, it payed well, and the people were great, but everything was so damn easy. I ended up quiting after a month.

See where im going here? Its called a correlation, but im not going to give you the whole thing, you got to figure the rest out. Of course you mid as well just get the RMT for it and pay 5 dollars for the answer. See this is where these things lead you! One day its "O lets make the game a little easier" and then the next BAM! you got money missing off the dresser and your daughters knocked up! Ive seen it a hundred times.

-Jive

Originally posted by Martie

Hey noob, I was no casual back then I cleared everything except naxx, b4 u even set foot in ZG.  So dont even start your crap.  Its nothing about concentration u retard.  Nobody wants to sit through hours and hours of fuucking tediuos grinds like pre TBC had.   Yes some people liked it back then but by lookijg at the bloody figures for  1% of you idiots that kepe syaing that u quit and likedd it back then, there are 99% of the rest still playing and actually dont want the tediuos grinds of the old days back ever again.  Dont even begin to think raids back then were skillfull or antying because they were, so dont start ur crap about lucifron because untill you actually got to a boss, half the raids were on afk anyway, hell when UBRS were on 20 man runs, half of then were afk.  So dont even start u shit about me not knowing anything.  BECAUSE THOSE DAYS OF TEDIUOS HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MOths AND MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS o grind are over thank god.  Like I said the only things I woudl take back, are the epic feelings of world pvp back then.  So get back to your commodore 64 and feel ur 8immersion.

I stepped foot in ZG the day patch 1.7 hit, champ. Considering Naxx was released in 1.11, 8-9 months later I think you are more full of it than Zorndorf and templarga combined.

Except when all instances only had a 40 man limit, UBRS (and LBRS since it was the same instance) had a 15 man limit later reduced to 10. But if you actually played pre-BC WoW you would know this.

I'm pretty sure you never saw classic WoW. Just a kid who thinks WotLK is perfect and hates everything before that.

Half the raid was afk on the hound packs in Luci's and Mag's room? I doubt it, since you needed 5 people to tank them and healers for each tank and  for all of them to die at the same time. I'm not going to say people werent afk during MC. But people used to say that 10 people would be afk, then that increased to 15 and now people are claiming 20 people were afk? Re-write history much? So whats, next, 25 people were afk?

And what grinds are you talking about? Making stuff up again? Only rep grinds you had pre-BC were Timbermaw and Wintersaber trainers. Farming resist gear? Some of my best times in WoW were getting a guild group and farming a 5 man for resist gear since it was easy. Get on vent and joke around. You know, that who social side that is lacking in WoW now. People just treat guilds as a means of getting purples.

Yeah, the consumable farming for Naxx was a bit too much. Yeah, virtually all top guilds bought gold. While I never bought gold I'm not going to say I was never benefitted from people who had. The guardian/battle elixir changes early on in TBC were was a very welcome change. Only the most extreme and obnoxious hardcore players disliked. I never said that Classic WoW was perfect, just that it was the best version of WoW.

I never found classic WoW tedious. Demanding for sure but that just meant the satisfaction of accomplishing something was so much better. Maybe you just have a short attention span?

FYI my WoW subscription is inactive. I also know a lot of other people who have quit or sold their toon and quit. Read my post about WoW's rentention rate being less than flash.

Originally posted by Martie

See you keep talking about easier, so they made the faction grind and grind for armour more game like and less bloody job like, other than that dont even start to say things in old wow ernt easy, because raids were not harder back then, you think because it was 40 man raids it was harder?  Trying to get 40 people online for a raid all at once was the hardest thing, other than that it was not hard, you think the honour system was hard?  do alot of people actually think grinding hours and hours is some how equates to hard?  no its tediuos and nothi9ng more and boring as hell.  It may have been easy but the huge tediuos hours of boring grind were not fun.  maybe u actualyl forget its a game.

Never had troubles getting 40 people online together. I remember people being benched for raids and waiting for a spot. Some mmorpg's have raid limits higher than 40.

Even if you didnt have 40 people you could always do ZG or AQ20. My guild used to make people run ZG for idols for head/leg enchants and to get exalted for shoulder enchants. Two runs a week of at least Bloodlord and Jin'do right up until we stopped raiding not long before 2.0 hit in early Dec 06.

No. Honor system was not hard. But if you were terrible and lost every game good luck getting to rank 14. Good luck getting into good premades.

Then again do you think rolling the FotM class and face rolling your way to arena gear is hard? If you dont play whatever is the most OP class then forget about PvP. Or enjoy farming bg's with complete idiots for weeks to get inferior PvP gear.

Originally posted by Galadourn

Originally posted by Joker2240

WoW Pre-BC was the best imo. Thanks for the read. 

 

agree. If only they had chosen a different approach to expanding the game....I might still be playing

This. 

While Pre-BC wasn't perfect, and there certainly were some improvements that should (and were) made to reduce some of the grinds for faction and item gathering for raids, overall the direction the game took regarding expansion (ever increasing levels and constant gear replacement to name a few) wasn't what I wanted to see.

Throw in the fact that the game was made easier and easier (except in the highest level raids of course) and I made the decision to look for deeper and more challenging game play.

I realize its just personal preference, and obviously 11+ million people enjoy the game as is (hey, some of my best friends play WOW) but I still remember the Pre-BC days with much fondness.

Originally posted by Martie

Sure thing chump. u think u needed a whole raid to be there for the hounds at lucis room??  for them to die aall at the same time u think u needed all 40 people?  jesus bloody christ  lol, only rep grinds were timbermaw and wintsersaber?  LOL this is why most of u  wow haters live in a bloody self deluded fairy land and thinking old wow was full of daisies and green grass, and gold roads.  No it was not, hey kid i dubt u ever played classic wow, but there were  more then 2 rep grinds.   I never said wotlk was perfect , I never said TBC was perfect, and for sure as hell old wow was not perfect.

Just go ahead and admit you never played pre-BC, Martie. You're making yourself look a bigger idiot than Zorndorf.

You needed 4-5 tanks for the hound panks, dont forget back then you didnt have raid icons. Until ct raid the raid leader had to manually assign and check that the tanks were targetting the right hound. You had to make sure you had healers for each of these tanks, who back in the early days only had blues. So thats 1/4 of the raid. The hounds had a nasty debuff from memory which meant you had to get them down reasonably quickly. By the end of Classic WoW everything in Molten Core was easy. But I'm talking 2005, not 2006.

And explain to me what other "grinds" were there? Do you mean consumable farming? That only got excessive when you got into AQ40. Besides a few bosses most guilds didnt use consumables before then. Fire resist potions on rag and vael until you had them on farm then nothing. Flask of the titans on 2 tanks for Broodlord.

Never had troubles with ony cloaks for BWL because the time we got past Broodlord in BWL we had been farming onyxia for ages.

You never had to "grind" for PvP ranks. You never had to grind city factions unless you wanted a cross faction mount.

You never even had to grind for an epic mount. The difference between normal and epic land mount was nowhere near as big as the difference between normal and epic flying.

Infact, what grinds did you have to do in pre-BC?

Yes, I forgot to mention Zandalar to get shoulder enchants. That meant running ZG for a lot longer than a guild normally would. Same with farming Bloodlord and Jin'do though I saw a couple of raptor mounts drop while farming idols from bloodlord.

I never bothered farming Cenarion Circle or Thorium Brotherhood rep since I wasnt a tailor/leather worker/blacksmith. Then again only one person of each in a guild needed to get exalted with CC and Thorium Brotherhood for the nature and fire resist patterns.

You needed to be at least honored with Argent Dawn to get Naxx attuned? Big deal. I was already reverred when Naxx hit.

You're big on the insults, thin on the facts.

Originally posted by Kyleran

This. 

While Pre-BC wasn't perfect, and there certainly were some improvements that should (and were) made to reduce some of the grinds for faction and item gathering for raids, overall the direction the game took regarding expansion (ever increasing levels and constant gear replacement to name a few) wasn't what I wanted to see.

Throw in the fact that the game was made easier and easier (except in the highest level raids of course) and I made the decision to look for deeper and more challenging game play.

I realize its just personal preference, and obviously 11+ million people enjoy the game as is (hey, some of my best friends play WOW) but I still remember the Pre-BC days with much fondness.

 

I agree. I quit liked Burning Crusade and the changes it brought. Limiting elixirs a guard and battle or a flask that covered both. Daily quests were a great idea. Badge was also great.

But unfortunately Blizzard took it too far in WotLK.