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8/11/09 9:57:10 AM#21
Originally posted by rhinok Wow - sounds just like your current favorite game, Darkfall, pre-launch. ~Ripper You can't really compare them.
1) Darkfall had 12 gameplay videos and hundreds of screenshots before launch. Mortal has 1 official gameplay video, and a few beta videos showing a barren world. 2) Darkfall's beta reports were very positive overall. Mortals have been quite bad so far. 3) Darkfall's preorder was not 6 months before release. 4) Who knows if Aventurine were running out of money but we know for sure that StarVault have because they have admitted it. 5) Mortal was/is double what Darkfall cost.
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8/11/09 10:40:01 AM#22
Originally posted by MortalStrike You can't really compare them.
1) Darkfall had 12 gameplay videos and hundreds of screenshots before launch. Mortal has 1 official gameplay video, and a few beta videos showing a barren world. DFO had one official gameplay video. It has more now I believe. 2) Darkfall's beta reports were very positive overall. Mortals have been quite bad so far. DFO had some major issues early on in there beta, I was in DFO beta and yeah things weren't great. Farther into beta most chilled because AV assured evryone these things would be taken care of and the only reason they were a problem now was due to it being beta. This however wasn't the case and many of those issues still exist today. Some of the more problematic ones being the server would crash any time there was anything remotely close to a large scale battle. 3) Darkfall's preorder was not 6 months before release. This is true. 4) Who knows if Aventurine were running out of money but we know for sure that StarVault have because they have admitted it. They were, sadly they couldn't admit it and instead tried to be underhanded and charge NA players twice and pretend everything is fine. 5) Mortal was/is double what Darkfall cost. This is confusing, not sure what your trying to say. Production cost was/is more or box cost was/is more? If Production cost, yeah thats understandable and hopefuly the game is better for it. If Box cost, yeah it was because DFO didn't and doesn't have a box lol. The Digital Download isn't though and thats all DFO offered.
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8/11/09 11:23:07 AM#23
Scam=fraud in this case? |
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8/11/09 11:27:53 AM#24
Originally posted by javac
If you think it sounds fishy, don't buy it until after it releases. But calling it a scam sounds a little pessimistic yet. As for the price, computer games have become more expensive the last year or so. I will not pay a dime until the game is released myself, not because I think it is a scam, but because I need to know a lot more before I decide that it is worth my time or not. And I prefer to buy a game after the worst buggs are ironed out. |
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8/11/09 11:59:42 AM#25
Originally posted by Loke666
If you think it sounds fishy, don't buy it until after it releases. But calling it a scam sounds a little pessimistic yet. As for the price, computer games have become more expensive the last year or so. I will not pay a dime until the game is released myself, not because I think it is a scam, but because I need to know a lot more before I decide that it is worth my time or not. And I prefer to buy a game after the worst buggs are ironed out.
I'm in the same boat. I don't think MO is a scam but I am still waiting till the game releases before I buy or anything. Instead of hearing how things are planned to be, could be or intended to be, I would rather know how they are this time. After the whole DFO scam (Changing there minds about 1 char per server, making it so NA players had to buy the game twice when they were told they would be able to have a char on each server originally) I plan on waiting lol. |
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8/11/09 1:10:57 PM#26
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
I'm in the same boat. I don't think MO is a scam but I am still waiting till the game releases before I buy or anything. Instead of hearing how things are planned to be, could be or intended to be, I would rather know how they are this time. After the whole DFO scam (Changing there minds about 1 char per server, making it so NA players had to buy the game twice when they were told they would be able to have a char on each server originally) I plan on waiting lol.
To ease your mind a little. That is one of the major questions that was asked on MO boards (about the scam charge to transfer servers) First off the MO devs laughed. Then stated you will NEVER have to buy a 2nd copy of the game, if they release a NA server you will be able to play on it with the copy of the game you already pre-ordered. They did not say you will be able to transfer characters, but they did say you can go to any server with the same account, and you wouldnt be charged for it.
the digital download of MO is a tad cheaper than the digital download of DF. Not enough to matter, but it is cheaper. So when comparing price, thats the only fair price to compair. you cannot honestly compare a box sale to a DD sale.
as far as the statement that they have to many people in beta atm, that is true. Both Block A+B let in extra people so they are working with 1k extra testers. But instead of locking them out, they are letting them test as well.
Before purchasing the game you are told what to expect. That players are testing server stability in this early beta phase. To do that they have turned off alot of features so that any problem that happens in this early beta stage is only the servers fault, not something else. So of course leaked videos are going to show a lack of tons of parts of the game.
Combat is currently under NDA, we shoudlnt be talking about it, nor what we think of the videos that show any. To sidestep that topic a tad, but in the same light of it. half the preorders were from the americas. The devs said if their was a strong showing of preorders from the americas that their was a good chance of having a NA server at launch. This will obviously increase ping for those players in the americas. They have officially stated they are working on their hit prediction system and it is not perfect yet.
I was a fence sitter between darkfall and Mortal. I looked at what both games were claiming to offer, they seemed close enough to par to make it a very hard choice. So then i went diving into forums. What i found was AV couldnt be trusted to keep their word. They would ninja edit posts instead of coming out and stating why things were not going to be how they said. They were underhanded in how they were dealing with their fanbase. What I found with SV was rather candid posts from the devs, backed by people who knew more about the game (at that time) than i did. The devs posted the state of things on a semi regular basis, and i have not one account to report where they changed what they said after the fact. Instead if something didn't work they would try to get it right, and if they honestly couldnt change the outcome, they would post it.
I respect honesty, its the only thing that kept me from ordering darkfall, despite it sounding like a game i would really like to play. Honesty is what got me to preorder MO. The beta is what the devs are saying the beta is, so while frustrating at times. Anyone who does even the slightest amount of looking can see the massive improvements its been getting. i will be much happier when they have the login server issue fixed. (you can read dev posts and twitters saying the login server is causing most the server crashes... which is publicly available not an NDA covered issue.) So that i can test on a more NA friendly timeframe.
all of that being said: javac, i realize you are sad to see DF get trolled so hard, but you lie worse than Lord Taco about the game. i like what i see in youtube about the game, i like most of what i read. (aoe magic being painfully overpowered is super lame but fixable. Bloodwalling being acceptable is pathetic.) I would defend your posts if what you said about it, matched to what we see in youtube, read on the forums, and get reports back from actual players.... but it doesnt, you post bs to try and re-hype the game for something it isnt. Which if your crap spewing ever gets anyone to sub to the game, they will expect more than DF can deliver, and quit. your Op is a troll post, your games devs are a joke, your game of choice is okay, but thats it. Go back to DF boards, im sure their is something their for you to try and spin into a positive.
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8/11/09 1:22:26 PM#27
Lmao @ you posting day 2 beta footage.
the devs on the open forums have refered to that lake as "sausage lake" and have since fixed that issue.
if you are going to break nda, at least post current beta footage. |
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8/11/09 1:40:01 PM#28
Javac ......... I find your concerns to be interestingly valid.
I think "YOU" should stay far away from this game.
Very far ..........
Just trying to help out a fellow MMORPG.com poster.
~Hairysun~ http://www.straightdope.com/ |
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8/11/09 1:55:23 PM#29
My concern isn't that it's a scam, my concern is that they've got this idea in their head and got this great marketing discription to draw players in, but all they've really produced is a massive Unreal Tournament 3 map and some character and weapon models and a new hitbox system. To me it seems like they're still trying to work out how to do all the things they say you can do in this game. So whilst they're aiming for a Q4 2009 release, I'm thinking they're actually alot further away than that. Whether they know that or not is a matter for debate. |
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8/11/09 5:15:18 PM#30
Originally posted by TheStarheart
Good Lord that is horrible. |
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8/11/09 5:30:57 PM#31
Originally posted by steamtank
I'm in the same boat. I don't think MO is a scam but I am still waiting till the game releases before I buy or anything. Instead of hearing how things are planned to be, could be or intended to be, I would rather know how they are this time. After the whole DFO scam (Changing there minds about 1 char per server, making it so NA players had to buy the game twice when they were told they would be able to have a char on each server originally) I plan on waiting lol.
To ease your mind a little. That is one of the major questions that was asked on MO boards (about the scam charge to transfer servers) First off the MO devs laughed. Then stated you will NEVER have to buy a 2nd copy of the game, if they release a NA server you will be able to play on it with the copy of the game you already pre-ordered. They did not say you will be able to transfer characters, but they did say you can go to any server with the same account, and you wouldnt be charged for it.
the digital download of MO is a tad cheaper than the digital download of DF. Not enough to matter, but it is cheaper. So when comparing price, thats the only fair price to compair. you cannot honestly compare a box sale to a DD sale.
as far as the statement that they have to many people in beta atm, that is true. Both Block A+B let in extra people so they are working with 1k extra testers. But instead of locking them out, they are letting them test as well.
Before purchasing the game you are told what to expect. That players are testing server stability in this early beta phase. To do that they have turned off alot of features so that any problem that happens in this early beta stage is only the servers fault, not something else. So of course leaked videos are going to show a lack of tons of parts of the game.
Combat is currently under NDA, we shoudlnt be talking about it, nor what we think of the videos that show any. To sidestep that topic a tad, but in the same light of it. half the preorders were from the americas. The devs said if their was a strong showing of preorders from the americas that their was a good chance of having a NA server at launch. This will obviously increase ping for those players in the americas. They have officially stated they are working on their hit prediction system and it is not perfect yet.
I was a fence sitter between darkfall and Mortal. I looked at what both games were claiming to offer, they seemed close enough to par to make it a very hard choice. So then i went diving into forums. What i found was AV couldnt be trusted to keep their word. They would ninja edit posts instead of coming out and stating why things were not going to be how they said. They were underhanded in how they were dealing with their fanbase. What I found with SV was rather candid posts from the devs, backed by people who knew more about the game (at that time) than i did. The devs posted the state of things on a semi regular basis, and i have not one account to report where they changed what they said after the fact. Instead if something didn't work they would try to get it right, and if they honestly couldnt change the outcome, they would post it.
I respect honesty, its the only thing that kept me from ordering darkfall, despite it sounding like a game i would really like to play. Honesty is what got me to preorder MO. The beta is what the devs are saying the beta is, so while frustrating at times. Anyone who does even the slightest amount of looking can see the massive improvements its been getting. i will be much happier when they have the login server issue fixed. (you can read dev posts and twitters saying the login server is causing most the server crashes... which is publicly available not an NDA covered issue.) So that i can test on a more NA friendly timeframe.
all of that being said: javac, i realize you are sad to see DF get trolled so hard, but you lie worse than Lord Taco about the game. i like what i see in youtube about the game, i like most of what i read. (aoe magic being painfully overpowered is super lame but fixable. Bloodwalling being acceptable is pathetic.) I would defend your posts if what you said about it, matched to what we see in youtube, read on the forums, and get reports back from actual players.... but it doesnt, you post bs to try and re-hype the game for something it isnt. Which if your crap spewing ever gets anyone to sub to the game, they will expect more than DF can deliver, and quit. your Op is a troll post, your games devs are a joke, your game of choice is okay, but thats it. Go back to DF boards, im sure their is something their for you to try and spin into a positive.
I believed you were genuine right up to the point where you start talking about believing what you read on forums "from actual players". If there is one thing that me and all my friends in game agree on about Darkfall is that the actual game is nothing like what you read on the forums. Personally I doubt Mortal is a scam, but I do think there is a reasonable chance given its current state that it might not even make it to release, or if it does, that it is very likely going to disappoint a lot of people due to lots of remaining bugs and missing features.
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8/11/09 9:18:33 PM#32
Originally posted by rhinok Wow - sounds just like your current favorite game, Darkfall, pre-launch. ~Ripper except i didnt pay money to get into beta |
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8/11/09 10:55:37 PM#33
Originally posted by downtoearth except i didnt pay money to get into beta I could have sworn you started playing back in Feb when the game started selling "limited copies" of a digital download ROFLMAO. Therefore you payed to play beta since even a review of DnF by one of the sites you fans seem to love (you know the one that has only reviewed one game, Darkfall and gave it an 83) states it was released on July 13, 2009. So what was it all those other months if it didn't release till July based on a site that you all are using as an example of a good review. |
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patrikd23
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8/11/09 10:59:40 PM#34
Originally posted by MortalStrike
To ease your mind a little. That is one of the major questions that was asked on MO boards (about the scam charge to transfer servers) First off the MO devs laughed. Then stated you will NEVER have to buy a 2nd copy of the game, if they release a NA server you will be able to play on it with the copy of the game you already pre-ordered. They did not say you will be able to transfer characters, but they did say you can go to any server with the same account, and you wouldnt be charged for it.
the digital download of MO is a tad cheaper than the digital download of DF. Not enough to matter, but it is cheaper. So when comparing price, thats the only fair price to compair. you cannot honestly compare a box sale to a DD sale.
as far as the statement that they have to many people in beta atm, that is true. Both Block A+B let in extra people so they are working with 1k extra testers. But instead of locking them out, they are letting them test as well.
Before purchasing the game you are told what to expect. That players are testing server stability in this early beta phase. To do that they have turned off alot of features so that any problem that happens in this early beta stage is only the servers fault, not something else. So of course leaked videos are going to show a lack of tons of parts of the game.
Combat is currently under NDA, we shoudlnt be talking about it, nor what we think of the videos that show any. To sidestep that topic a tad, but in the same light of it. half the preorders were from the americas. The devs said if their was a strong showing of preorders from the americas that their was a good chance of having a NA server at launch. This will obviously increase ping for those players in the americas. They have officially stated they are working on their hit prediction system and it is not perfect yet.
I was a fence sitter between darkfall and Mortal. I looked at what both games were claiming to offer, they seemed close enough to par to make it a very hard choice. So then i went diving into forums. What i found was AV couldnt be trusted to keep their word. They would ninja edit posts instead of coming out and stating why things were not going to be how they said. They were underhanded in how they were dealing with their fanbase. What I found with SV was rather candid posts from the devs, backed by people who knew more about the game (at that time) than i did. The devs posted the state of things on a semi regular basis, and i have not one account to report where they changed what they said after the fact. Instead if something didn't work they would try to get it right, and if they honestly couldnt change the outcome, they would post it.
I respect honesty, its the only thing that kept me from ordering darkfall, despite it sounding like a game i would really like to play. Honesty is what got me to preorder MO. The beta is what the devs are saying the beta is, so while frustrating at times. Anyone who does even the slightest amount of looking can see the massive improvements its been getting. i will be much happier when they have the login server issue fixed. (you can read dev posts and twitters saying the login server is causing most the server crashes... which is publicly available not an NDA covered issue.) So that i can test on a more NA friendly timeframe.
all of that being said: javac, i realize you are sad to see DF get trolled so hard, but you lie worse than Lord Taco about the game. i like what i see in youtube about the game, i like most of what i read. (aoe magic being painfully overpowered is super lame but fixable. Bloodwalling being acceptable is pathetic.) I would defend your posts if what you said about it, matched to what we see in youtube, read on the forums, and get reports back from actual players.... but it doesnt, you post bs to try and re-hype the game for something it isnt. Which if your crap spewing ever gets anyone to sub to the game, they will expect more than DF can deliver, and quit. your Op is a troll post, your games devs are a joke, your game of choice is okay, but thats it. Go back to DF boards, im sure their is something their for you to try and spin into a positive.
I believed you were genuine right up to the point where you start talking about believing what you read on forums "from actual players". If there is one thing that me and all my friends in game agree on about Darkfall is that the actual game is nothing like what you read on the forums. Personally I doubt Mortal is a scam, but I do think there is a reasonable chance given its current state that it might not even make it to release, or if it does, that it is very likely going to disappoint a lot of people due to lots of remaining bugs and missing features.
You got good points that I support, but I dont believe reviews OR players. That is why I play the games to form my own opinion. A Scam? No I think not. I preordered few days ago and I am will sure find out. |
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8/12/09 2:22:29 AM#35
With Adventurine lying about 'one character per server' and than charging NA players for a whole new client, many people ( myself included) said to hell with Darkfall. Unfortunately, many others who are not very polite about things have said to hell with Darkfall as well. They are looking at Mortal not as a new game, but as a new target to exploit. When you have e-peens such as MurderHerd going around shouting 'join us or die' it does nothing but leave a bad taste in your mouth. Hopefully some of these groups who are setting their eyes on Mortal will stay in Darkfall. Our spirit was here long before you Long before us And long will it be after your pride brings you to your end |
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8/12/09 3:23:23 AM#36
Originally posted by javac
1) I'ts Closed beta and they are adding more and more into the game every week 2) Trolls - I am a beta tester and everything is going very smoothly (this isnt breaking Star vaults nda by me saying this) 3) You got to choose whether or not to choose it.. they even had a disclaimer that it had work to be done on it 4) Where... does it say they are running out of money? The financial situation is ok over at SV 5) Its not alpha.. its beta - And again it was your choice to pay that much.. it would only be a scam if they tricked you with the price or made you pay monthly fees
Finally.. your just an idiot.. sorry but you are, By making a post like this you just make potential people who might want to play the game turn the other direction - and why? Because you don't have a clue what your talking about and just felt like making a post on here after seeing what the local trolls on the MO forums were posting - steer away from this kind of post in the future |
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Yamota
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8/12/09 3:46:54 AM#37
Originally posted by altairzq
I have been in the MO forums sincs april 2008 and this is certainly not the impression I have. They hid the high prices until the last minute and they absolutelly didn't warn costumers they wound't be needing 2.000 beta testers every two weeks. They just needed the money and used Beta as the bait to sell the copies. Now they don't know what to do with so many betasters, and most probably they knew this would happen but obviously didn't say it. This seem to be most accurate assesment I heard so far. Specially considering that many beta testers haven't been able to login for weeks. |
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Yamota
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Money in politics is the root of all political evil. It is corruption at it's worst. |
8/12/09 4:26:46 AM#38
Originally posted by yukumo
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8/12/09 4:37:29 AM#39
Originally posted by javac
Methinks the OP was trying to trick posters into breaking the nda so he could have a better idea of whether to buy this game. Without reading the entire thread I wonder if he succeeded. I use the same trick often (but not here) , by saying something blatantly wrong to elicit a defense that tells me what I want to know.
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8/12/09 12:04:13 PM#40
Originally posted by marcust
Methinks the OP was trying to trick posters into breaking the nda so he could have a better idea of whether to buy this game. Without reading the entire thread I wonder if he succeeded. I use the same trick often (but not here) , by saying something blatantly wrong to elicit a defense that tells me what I want to know.
i wish you were right. but anyone who has followed darkfall at all knows the OP is a DF fanbot who literally can find nothing wrong at all with anything in darkfall, or anything AV has done or said. |
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