a number of things about this game have me concerned.

1) the game doesn't have a wide variety of screenshots & gameplay videos that proves it even exists

2) beta reports are troubling: a largely empty game with tons of features missing & laggy combat

3) 6 months+ from release

4) developer running out of money

5) very high price charged upfront just to play an alpha

taken together, this kind of spells scam/deception to me...

Its more of a beta now than an alpha... and as for payment, there are many who are excited about the game, and willing to invest. This is more of a player investment than anything.

Everyone knows what they are getting into upfront, and the hardcore followers can play the game, and those of us like myself who are a bit more skeptical can wait a bit and see.

No scam here that I can see they are pretty upfront about where things currently are.

if you would have bothered to read the official forums or any of the other posts on this matter, you would have seen the devs of this game told everyone specifically what to expect from buying in. do your homework.

Originally posted by donjuanamigo

if you would have bothered to read the official forums or any of the other posts on this matter, you would have seen the devs of this game told everyone specifically what to expect from buying in. do your homework.

6) And a helpful, friendly player community, just like DF.

I'm sure the game will work out much the same, nothing to worry about.

Originally posted by javac

a number of things about this game have me concerned.

 

 

1) the game doesn't have a wide variety of screenshots & gameplay videos that proves it even exists

2) beta reports are troubling: a largely empty game with tons of features missing & laggy combat

3) 6 months+ from release

4) developer running out of money

5) very high price charged upfront just to play an alpha

 

taken together, this kind of spells scam/deception to me...

I think Donjuanamigo has it right.

First of all, most players are spoiled. there, I've said it. They have no idea what a beta is but they do have an idea of what a preview is when it is called a beta. a good many players expect a beta to be jump in, play and maybe report a but here and there.

Beta is beta. Not a preview.

As far as the pre orders, they were up front about that. Anyone preordering gets to play in the beta and this is what it entails.

seems pretty above board.

Originally posted by donjuanamigo

if you would have bothered to read the official forums or any of the other posts on this matter, you would have seen the devs of this game told everyone specifically what to expect from buying in. do your homework.

in the history of gaming, no developer that i know of has charged so much for so little so far ahead of release. it would take much more than comforting words from the potential scammers to convince me to part with so much money so far in advance of release and with virtually no gameplay videos proving the game is worth a damn.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by donjuanamigo

if you would have bothered to read the official forums or any of the other posts on this matter, you would have seen the devs of this game told everyone specifically what to expect from buying in. do your homework.

 

6) And a helpful, friendly player community, just like DF.

I'm sure the game will work out much the same, nothing to worry about.

Yeah, seriously. That community is going to shit now. It used to be a pretty decent place to have discussions, but now it's quickly becoming a haven of imbeciles. There's still some good people there, but the good discussion is starting to change into little flame skirmishes. The sad part is there is virtually no moderation. I like free speech just as much as the next guy. but lacking a public release or previous games, Star Vault's online community is the sole representative of what they as a company stand for. Letting rampant asshattery fly is soiling the image, imo. If that's the type of crowd they're catering to, then it's no better than Forumfall, and not something I'm going to want to buy into. I'm seriously considering cancelling my pre-order.

Originally posted by jonrd463

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by donjuanamigo

if you would have bothered to read the official forums or any of the other posts on this matter, you would have seen the devs of this game told everyone specifically what to expect from buying in. do your homework.

 

6) And a helpful, friendly player community, just like DF.

I'm sure the game will work out much the same, nothing to worry about.

 

Yeah, seriously. That community is going to shit now. It used to be a pretty decent place to have discussions, but now it's quickly becoming a haven of imbeciles. There's still some good people there, but the good discussion is starting to change into little flame skirmishes. The sad part is there is virtually no moderation. I like free speech just as much as the next guy. but lacking a public release or previous games, Star Vault's online community is the sole representative of what they as a company stand for.

i think it's partly due to people slowly coming to terms with the fact that MO beta has been pretty majorly disappointing and it'll be lucky to even make it to release let alone compete with Darkfall.

it is certain that if the developers are running out of money with at least half a year to go to release with the game being so unfinished *now*, that things are definitely not looking good.

Originally posted by javac

 

in the history of gaming, no developer that i know of has charged so much for so little so far ahead of release. it would take much more than comforting words from the potential scammers to convince me to part with so much money so far in advance of release and with virtually no gameplay videos proving the game is worth a damn.

 

 

Age of Mourning asked you to pay up front long in advance of release with little to no evidence of a game. 

Two differences though-

Age of Mourning charged less up front and did this before the general mmo community had been repeatedly burned, making those who ponied up cash for A of M slightly less insane.(btw I'm one of the madmen who paid up front for MO)

There is more evidence of the existence of MO than there ever was of Age of Mourning, just check youtube.

edited for the grammars :p

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by jonrd463

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by donjuanamigo

if you would have bothered to read the official forums or any of the other posts on this matter, you would have seen the devs of this game told everyone specifically what to expect from buying in. do your homework.

 

6) And a helpful, friendly player community, just like DF.

I'm sure the game will work out much the same, nothing to worry about.

 

Yeah, seriously. That community is going to shit now. It used to be a pretty decent place to have discussions, but now it's quickly becoming a haven of imbeciles. There's still some good people there, but the good discussion is starting to change into little flame skirmishes. The sad part is there is virtually no moderation. I like free speech just as much as the next guy. but lacking a public release or previous games, Star Vault's online community is the sole representative of what they as a company stand for.

 

i think it's partly due to people slowly coming to terms with the fact that MO beta has been pretty majorly disappointing and it'll be lucky to even make it to release let alone compete with Darkfall.

 

it is certain that if the developers are running out of money with at least half a year to go to release with the game being so unfinished *now*, that things are definitely not looking good.

No actually, I think it's all the ex-Darkfall players running to something better.

Oh, wait. You said Darkfall subs are rapidly increasing. I must be wrong.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by jonrd463

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by donjuanamigo

if you would have bothered to read the official forums or any of the other posts on this matter, you would have seen the devs of this game told everyone specifically what to expect from buying in. do your homework.

 

6) And a helpful, friendly player community, just like DF.

I'm sure the game will work out much the same, nothing to worry about.

 

Yeah, seriously. That community is going to shit now. It used to be a pretty decent place to have discussions, but now it's quickly becoming a haven of imbeciles. There's still some good people there, but the good discussion is starting to change into little flame skirmishes. The sad part is there is virtually no moderation. I like free speech just as much as the next guy. but lacking a public release or previous games, Star Vault's online community is the sole representative of what they as a company stand for.

 

i think it's partly due to people slowly coming to terms with the fact that MO beta has been pretty majorly disappointing and it'll be lucky to even make it to release let alone compete with Darkfall.

 

it is certain that if the developers are running out of money with at least half a year to go to release with the game being so unfinished *now*, that things are definitely not looking good.

I'm not worried about all that. The problem with beta testing is that most open betas are pure marketing gimmickery to increase hype. I've heard from people in the know that most of them are the final release candidate and are the same versions that appear for sale. Beta tests are rough around the edges, and the people who were expecting more out of what's going on now with MO have no idea what real beta testing is.

The condition of the game isn't a concern to me at this point. I just pre-ordered the download version, so if SV goes bust, I'm out a whopping $55. It's not like I'll have to sell the farm and move to the inner city or anything, but I will come out wiser. But, aside from all that, I really think it's a problem of low quality people getting into the forums and being allowed to post whatever they want that's bringing my hopes down.

Originally posted by javac

a number of things about this game have me concerned.

 

 

1) the game doesn't have a wide variety of screenshots & gameplay videos that proves it even exists

2) beta reports are troubling: a largely empty game with tons of features missing & laggy combat

3) 6 months+ from release

4) developer running out of money

5) very high price charged upfront just to play an alpha

 

taken together, this kind of spells scam/deception to me...

lol, I know you're worried about the success of DFO ................and I would be to in your shoes............ But come on man lol, don't rehash what was said about DFO and just replace DFO with MO. I mean the above is pretty much a carbon copy of posts you defended DFO against. You called bunk then, which means you are simply trolling now. It really shows how bad DFO must be doing for you of all people to resort to trolling the MO forums though.

Originally posted by donjuanamigo

if you would have bothered to read the official forums or any of the other posts on this matter, you would have seen the devs of this game told everyone specifically what to expect from buying in. do your homework.

I have been in the MO forums sincs april 2008 and this is certainly not the impression I have. They hid the high prices until the last minute and they absolutelly didn't warn costumers they wound't be needing 2.000 beta testers every two weeks. They just needed the money and used Beta as the bait to sell the copies. Now they don't know what to do with so many betasters, and most probably they knew this would happen  but obviously didn't say it.

Originally posted by javac

a number of things about this game have me concerned.

 

 

1) the game doesn't have a wide variety of screenshots & gameplay videos that proves it even exists

2) beta reports are troubling: a largely empty game with tons of features missing & laggy combat

3) 6 months+ from release

4) developer running out of money

5) very high price charged upfront just to play an alpha

 

taken together, this kind of spells scam/deception to me...

Wow - sounds just like your current favorite game, Darkfall, pre-launch.

~Ripper

Originally posted by javac

a number of things about this game have me concerned.

 

 

1) the game doesn't have a wide variety of screenshots & gameplay videos that proves it even exists

2) beta reports are troubling: a largely empty game with tons of features missing & laggy combat

3) 6 months+ from release

4) developer running out of money

5) very high price charged upfront just to play an alpha

 

taken together, this kind of spells scam/deception to me...

First, you're a troll

Second, go back to Darkfall where you belong and get paid to "lie" about that game

Third, we are seeing an earlier beta phase than what Aventurine (darkfall) had

Forth, Can you post a link to where "reports" suggest laggy game play, empty world, etc...?

Fith, anyone who join beta will be able to test beta before game goes live. Those who pre-ordered were granted block access to certain beta phases.

Lastly, your never-ending-trolling isn't even witty or good, give it up.

Originally posted by javac

a number of things about this game have me concerned.

 

 

1) the game doesn't have a wide variety of screenshots & gameplay videos that proves it even exists

2) beta reports are troubling: a largely empty game with tons of features missing & laggy combat

3) 6 months+ from release

4) developer running out of money

5) very high price charged upfront just to play an alpha

 

taken together, this kind of spells scam/deception to me...

Some pertinent comebacks:

1. You should improve your google and youtube skills, my little padawan.

2. That's why its a beta. Why introduce the whole world if you can test the game features in a confined space, with same results.

3. Yes, that's why its called Beta. Personaly, I'd rather wait 6 months and get to play a decent game than have the company release an umpolished and buggy parody of a game (not naming any, but I bet you are familiar with several such games released prematurey).

4. Yes, because they're not a big company. It's an office with 15 young dudes trying to bring their idea to life. 

5. Not so much so. It's not higher than any other boxed mmo out there. Let me give you an example (in my currency). I sau WAR and AoC  in local stores for about 200 RON. I have payed for a digital download of MO 50E which is roughly 200 RON (less actually). What MO gives you for that price is: the game, one month of free playtime and all future addons for free. Much like WAR/AoC. So you are NOT paying for the beta, you are paying for the game and one month subscription, when the game finally launches.

Most of these indy MMO's usually end up sucking balls so it wouldn't surprise me.

Originally posted by Bigdavo

Most of these indy MMO's usually end up sucking balls so it wouldn't surprise me.

So did the latest big names aswell so what's your point?

Scam consists of lying to your fanbase in order to up sales.  Something that Aventurine did with launch, and then with transfers.  Starvault has been pretty honest.  They disclosed how unfinished this game was before selling it, and I wouldn't considered anything they have done thus far a scam.  Quite the opposite really. 

Aventurine treats their playerbase like complete and utter garbage.  Starvault is the opposite.  That is the difference between these two games right now, and that can make all the difference in the long run.  In my mind no matter how good Darkfall gets I will never play again because the developers are a bunch of jackasses.  On the other hand I would gladly give Starvault 50$ to help them out in realizing their dream and assist with testing and feedback.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by donjuanamigo

if you would have bothered to read the official forums or any of the other posts on this matter, you would have seen the devs of this game told everyone specifically what to expect from buying in. do your homework.

 

6) And a helpful, friendly player community, just like DF.

I'm sure the game will work out much the same, nothing to worry about.

I actually lulled hard from this.