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                          Let me begin by stating the fact that all people like personal space right?  its good to see more mmos like AOC incorporated this concept by creating a  guild controlled village sort to speak. To me personally these kinds of things attract me to a game .. its like wow i can make this and o wow its all mine. its always nice to have a place to come back to when you finish a long quest and dont want to get bothered by noobs asking you for silver when you get in town .   .For example in darkfall you have the capabiity of creating your own pirate ships . I get more excited every time i see new things like that in newer games ,to me its bringing RP back to mmoRPg. And this brings a big question to mind ...I wonder if FFIX incorporated  or even improved on the housing situation they had in the first FF mmo.. What do you guys think ?

Housing for my MMO characters ranks about 5,283rd on my "Most desired thing in a game".

It ranks even lower for me.  Since most player housing is still ridiculously generic, you can't make any serious changes, you can just move setpieces around, what's the point?  Everyone gets the same house, or one of a small number of alternatives, everyone gets the same pieces of furniture to pick from, you throw it in your house and... so what?

Player housing has absolutely zero in-game value.  It's good for RPing purposes, I suppose, if you're only doing generic RPing, but otherwise... why bother?

For me housing is extremely important, and i think its very important to all the RPG players, with the exception of the PvP/Loot Whores that play just with this 2 objectives.

Unfortunatele the current generation of games, leaded by Warcraft left housing completely out of the loot, but i gladly see that the new game releases are going back to the roots and bringing this feature back, like AoC, Aion already confirmed that player and guild housing are on the way and i also believe Bioware will invest in this in SW:ToR like they did in neverwinter nights 2.

There is no greater satisfaction that possessing our place in a game, where we can meet with friends, display achievements and just look to a wall and say: "theres the head of that bastard... it was hard but i did it"

Originally posted by Cephus404

It ranks even lower for me.  Since most player housing is still ridiculously generic, you can't make any serious changes, you can just move setpieces around, what's the point?  Everyone gets the same house, or one of a small number of alternatives, everyone gets the same pieces of furniture to pick from, you throw it in your house and... so what?

Player housing has absolutely zero in-game value.  It's good for RPing purposes, I suppose, if you're only doing generic RPing, but otherwise... why bother?

Why does it matter if "everyone gets the same piece of furniture?" arn't you the guy always saying "it doesn't matter what the other players have/don't have, it doesn't effect your gameplay" ? or "it doesn't matter if they level faster and get that armor, it doesn't effect you"

Eather way, stuff like this and other frills in a game add flavor and depth to it. for me its probably in the top 10 of "must haves" for a mmo.

And i'm assuming you never play'd FFXI? it that game furniture in your house changed your stats, depending on what you had and what quality, it would change your crafting stats/fighting stats. And your house is where you stored/grew your plants which had a HUGE effect on the game, and I won't even go into right now.

not only that but making furniture added 2 more crafting classes into the game (wood cutting and carpentry) So yeah I think that ingame housing is a very cool thing to have...

Housing is another form of character customization. Eyebrow thickness and nostril width don't affect gameplay at all, but people go batshit for Aion's facial customization. Ditto for housing. Even when it's only cosmetic, players like to create something that is uniquely their own.

I love player housing, and I am not an RPer by any stretch of the imagination. Housing significantly increases immersion and really helps a game feel like an online world. You are able to leave a permanent mark on the game world. Of course I am talking about non-instanced housing, instanced housing means little to me and I would rather the developers not waste their time with it.

It was really cool in SWG for you to have a house or houses of your own, for your guild to have a complete town that they built and maintained. The immersion felt from just playing the game was absolutely spectacular. Housing can also be a great place to have player store their stuff. People in SWG did some amazing things when decorating their houses since they could place almost any item in the game in their house to be displayed.

It's a shame that the current generation of MMOs is missing out on such an important and immersive feature. More proof they are making (crappy) games instead of immersive worlds.

I agree OP I LOVE player housing.  I miss having my houses in SWG.  I hope SW:TOR will have it but I doubt it will.

I loved player towns in UO.

We'd have reds come in and "raid" them, and needed to gather a force to kick them back out, made for some really good times. Have the occasional player run event in them as well..

"Zero in game value"....  pfft.

Everquest 2 has a robust housing system, where you start out with a single room in an inn, and can work your way up to large spaces - there are also a huge variety of furniture, decorations, and other housing items so that no two houses are alike. I'm not sure of the numbers but I think there are probably thousands of choices. People have houses for taverns, theaters and other roleplay spaces, and if you don't want to roleplay you can always just decorate the place with trophies of your kills.

If you're interested in housing I'd definitely give it a shot because it's probably the most detailed housing system there is right now, with the possible exception of Vanguard.

Implementing player housing to a game is wasted man-hours. That is what I think. Devs should put that time into something more important like the game engine, AI coding, graphics etc... unless the title is Sims Online.

Originally posted by tryklon

For me housing is extremely important, and i think its very important to all the RPG players, with the exception of the PvP/Loot Whores that play just with this 2 objectives.

Unfortunatele the current generation of games, leaded by Warcraft left housing completely out of the loot, but i gladly see that the new game releases are going back to the roots and bringing this feature back, like AoC, Aion already confirmed that player and guild housing are on the way and i also believe Bioware will invest in this in SW:ToR like they did in neverwinter nights 2.

There is no greater satisfaction that possessing our place in a game, where we can meet with friends, display achievements and just look to a wall and say: "theres the head of that bastard... it was hard but i did it"

WoW actually planed on having housing and had devs talk some of it in the beginning of the pre forums, it wasnt implemenented but needless to say they saw value in the concept or they wouldnt have brought it up.

As for player housing I think its great to have something you can point at and say thats mine, to show people your interior and work to add new details and furnitures to your virtual home. It makes a perfect secondary objective in a game, something to do when your bored of the conventional gameplay.

Unfortuantly WoW never implemented player/guild housing and instead focused all their energy on items and gear and to me... that doesnt cut it. I mean lets say a bow, it might be the best frickin bow in game but.. its still just a bow.

Originally posted by tryklon

For me housing is extremely important, and i think its very important to all the RPG players, with the exception of the PvP/Loot Whores that play just with this 2 objectives.

Unfortunatele the current generation of games, leaded by Warcraft left housing completely out of the loot, but i gladly see that the new game releases are going back to the roots and bringing this feature back, like AoC, Aion already confirmed that player and guild housing are on the way and i also believe Bioware will invest in this in SW:ToR like they did in neverwinter nights 2.

There is no greater satisfaction that possessing our place in a game, where we can meet with friends, display achievements and just look to a wall and say: "theres the head of that bastard... it was hard but i did it"

Perhaps you and the OP needed to do your homework on current mmorpg that have player housing. AOC is having PLAYER housing,well bully for them because VG has had non instanced player housing from the first day it was released. It also has guild forts that are non instanced and guild villages that can be set up around the guild forts.

VG also has 1000s of items that can be put in your house ,you name it and VG has got it,from wall paper to what clour curtains you want. It also has many styles of housing from three different islands. VG also has ships and galleons that are small to immense.

SWTOR has not said anything about hosuing so i would not hold your breath on that one. I bet none of the new games will even come close to VG housing system or it's crafting and ship building.

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I for one enjoy player based housing; I enjoy having a place to call home.  However, I do agree that for the most part housing is very lack luster.  I would like to see it more meaningful with players able to create vibrant communities within these housing communities with tradesmen, inns, taverns, shops, etc.  I think that is is something that has been lacking of late.

Im also for player housing, it just adds more depth to any game. I personaly dont get into it much but I know for alot of people it gives even more enjoyment to every game.

Both UO and SWG had an excellent player housing system, no surprise they are the two games I consider when hoping to start a new MMO. Also no wonder then that there are no MMOs worth playing.

And VGs form of instanced housing was shit. As was its bug ridden crafting system.

Another plus for housing is increased storage, fwiw.

Originally posted by Azureal

Both UO and SWG had an excellent player housing system, no surprise they are the two games I consider when hoping to start a new MMO. Also no wonder then that there are no MMOs worth playing.

 

And VGs form of instanced housing was shit. As was its bug ridden crafting system.

 

Another plus for housing is increased storage, fwiw.

VG never had or has instanced housing so wtf are you talking about?

It's open world housing just like SWG is open world....

VG crafting system is second only to SWG and in some ways it's better. It had bugs over two years ago,now it has no bugs at all.  Perhaps you have never played VG or are you one of these people who played 2 years ago and doent realise that things change over time.

You saying VG has instanced housing shows me that you have never played VG or at best have not seen housing in VG..

Instanced housing...LMAO for a dumb comment.

Originally posted by kiddyno071

I for one enjoy player based housing; I enjoy having a place to call home.  However, I do agree that for the most part housing is very lack luster.  I would like to see it more meaningful with players able to create vibrant communities within these housing communities with tradesmen, inns, taverns, shops, etc.  I think that is is something that has been lacking of late.

The use of housing to create communities has been done, and was widely accepted and appreciated by gamers in UO and SWG, but the big thing along with housing was the ability for players to run and operate vendors.

With the advent of Auction Houses, lazy fucking developers no longer have to worry about coding vendors.

Originally posted by billynomates

Originally posted by Azureal

Both UO and SWG had an excellent player housing system, no surprise they are the two games I consider when hoping to start a new MMO. Also no wonder then that there are no MMOs worth playing.

 

And VGs form of instanced housing was shit. As was its bug ridden crafting system.

 

Another plus for housing is increased storage, fwiw.

 

VG never had or has instanced housing so wtf are you talking about?

 

It's open world housing just like SWG is open world....

Not when I played, housing was restricted to certain areas, one of them I remember being an island. It was nothing like SWG, where you could place a house anywhere the landscape enabled it.

Originally posted by Azureal

Originally posted by billynomates

Originally posted by Azureal

Both UO and SWG had an excellent player housing system, no surprise they are the two games I consider when hoping to start a new MMO. Also no wonder then that there are no MMOs worth playing.

 

And VGs form of instanced housing was shit. As was its bug ridden crafting system.

 

Another plus for housing is increased storage, fwiw.

 

VG never had or has instanced housing so wtf are you talking about?

 

It's open world housing just like SWG is open world....

 

Not when I played, housing was restricted to certain areas, one of them I remember being an island. It was nothing like SWG, where you could place a house anywhere the landscape enabled it.

 

 

You are talking rubbish,You could always place a house on the main islands. You could not place a house anywhere you liked in SWG,it was the same set up as VG.

You can place a house anywhere the landscape enables you in VG just like SWG.

You said housing was instanced in VG,well you are talking rubbish and obviously don't no what instanced means.