You can not go 22 jumps in ten minutes. 

Avid Eve player...

Originally posted by slask777

Funny to see people try to sell Eve as a complex game. Really, to win a fight all depends on who's a little lucky with the rolls and who got the bigger guns. What's so complicated about that? Even a damn kid can get behind that concept. Only thing Eve got going for itself that can be considered somewhat complex is the ingame economy, allthough that is economy lite. Not saying any other mmo does it better though, but Eve is a game as any other game. You don't need a Mensa membership to play it for christs nonexistent sake. It's as simplistic as any other mmo more or less. Space is fun though, but Eve somehow managed to make space boring...Oh well...

Not sure how much experience you have PvPing in EvE but you'd be amazed what a few assault frigates can do to a battleship.

Originally posted by demolishIX

Originally posted by Interesting

For me to join EVE the only incentives I can think of now are:

 

Gameplay change: Flight Model based on player skill + action based Elite/Freelancer model, with wasd+mouse, free flight, strafe vertical and horizontal , boost, engine kill/stop

 

The way it is now, no way.

 

 

 

 Sorry but the game is based on player skill (not SP),you fail,now ride back to WoW on your fail horse.

it's based on players SKILLS that you spent points into.  Not player skill, for the action is more of an RTS then anything. Which basically means if you have not been in the game for ages, you pretty much fail against people who have, and they make up the majority of this community.

and ffs a WoW comment?  get real.

Eve is a life sucking whore..

not to say it is not a heck of alot of fun under the right circumstances.

I was lucky and got in with a good crew who taught me how to really play out in 0.0 

but it will suck up huge amounts of your life if you get hooked.

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Originally posted by Katilla
it's based on players SKILLS that you spent points into.  Not player skill, for the action is more of an RTS then anything. Which basically means if you have not been in the game for ages, you pretty much fail against people who have, and they make up the majority of this community.
and ffs a WoW comment?  get real.

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You were directed to WoW because that is what you think EVE is. If you think that character age matters in EVE, you better stop making such clueless statements and/or go playing game that is familiar to you.

Character skills are secondary in PVP and on the contrary, the game allows you to 'catch up' faster then in any other game.

Great game at a great price.

Don't listen to the rabid haters try it out.

For that price you can't go wrong.

Originally posted by Katilla

Originally posted by demolishIX

Originally posted by Interesting

For me to join EVE the only incentives I can think of now are:

 

Gameplay change: Flight Model based on player skill + action based Elite/Freelancer model, with wasd+mouse, free flight, strafe vertical and horizontal , boost, engine kill/stop

 

The way it is now, no way.

 

 

 

 Sorry but the game is based on player skill (not SP),you fail,now ride back to WoW on your fail horse.

 

it's based on players SKILLS that you spent points into.  Not player skill, for the action is more of an RTS then anything. Which basically means if you have not been in the game for ages, you pretty much fail against people who have, and they make up the majority of this community.

and ffs a WoW comment?  get real.

a thrasher will beat a wolf, the wolf costs 10 times as much and needs 10 times the skillpoints.

lose the WoW mindset.

I havnt read the whole thread but so someone may have said this:

People who are complaining about "long travel times" in this game havnt played it much or at all IMO.  Its been my experience that most people stay within 10 jumps of their home area and pretty rarely travel far.  Usually far travel happens when you need to go to a trade hub and if you are playing smart that shouldnt be very often.   The other time we do alot fo traveling is when we are flying around in a PvP roaming fleet/gang and that isnt boring at all.

EvE is hard to learn so I understand how people can have misconceptions but they are in fact misconceptions.

Originally posted by slask777

Funny to see people try to sell Eve as a complex game. Really, to win a fight all depends on who's a little lucky with the rolls and who got the bigger guns. What's so complicated about that? Even a damn kid can get behind that concept. Only thing Eve got going for itself that can be considered somewhat complex is the ingame economy, allthough that is economy lite. Not saying any other mmo does it better though, but Eve is a game as any other game. You don't need a Mensa membership to play it for christs nonexistent sake. It's as simplistic as any other mmo more or less. Space is fun though, but Eve somehow managed to make space boring...Oh well...

Eve's complexity lies in its ship builds, PvP tactics, economy, industry, politics and other facets such as these.  But even you example about "bigger guns" isnt correct.  Ive been killed by smaller ships a number of times.  Especially in small fleet combat, player-skill makes a huge difference.  Ive seen single ships completely ellude 5-7 ship fleets and pick off ships one at a time.

And trust me, the player base is MUCH beter in EVE than most other MMORPGs out there.  This is comming from someone who really likes WoW and thinks it is the best PvE game ever.  But the level of sophistication and maturity in EvE players is way beyond the average in  WoW. 

As far as being boring, that is subjective but I have to say I have never been bored in EVE.  Its has fascinated me every moment Ive played.  Ive gotten really really really frustrated, but never bored.  The most intense gaming moments of my life have been in  EVE PvP.  Getting killed or killing has significant consequences.

Ive noticed alot of people are making their opinions about EVE and have clearly only missioned in the game.  I mission something and enjoy it, but the real fun of EVE IMO is when you are competing against other players (and not just PvE combat).  That said, there are litterally thousands of carebear corps that do nothing but mission and mine so onviously there is a type of player that really enjoys that aspect.

Lastly I have to say that EvE is more like a simulation than a game.  It really feels like a living, breathing world.

Well, whatever man. It's still a mmo and you don't need too much brainpower to play them. Get the biggest and best boot out there and you can kick arse with the best of them. It's as easy as that.

All the ingame politics doesn't make the game complicated. Some of the best pvp politics I've ever witnessed was in Anarchy Online pre-sl and pvp there is simple. Twinking for pvp is a little worse but basic math skills would get you through that.

Ship builds complicated?? Lol, google eve ship builds/loadout/fitting and presto, there you go.

Pvp tactics? Right, get somewhat competent players behind the wheel and ventrillo going and they would be quite hard to take down. That goes for any mmo that got pvp in it. It's not complicated at all. Ever heard of premades? Yes they existed before WoW and you where mincemeat if you got in their way for the most part.

The economy part is the only part in Eve which is kinda complicated but it's still economy lite.

Funny you should mention the player base. Snot-nosed elitist is my experience with them. They are full of themselfes, looking at themselfes like the only smart players out there, who play the only mmo worth playing. Pvp games tend to attract those kinda people, just look at Darkfall.

I'll stop now before I go completely hater on this game. It just off me the wrong way when people want to sell this game, or any game for that matter, as something it isn't. Besides I like to argue with the Eve nuts. Their world view is quite skewed at times. I get they love the game, but it blows for alot of other people. Just the way things work.

Edit:Why was this thread moved? It doesn't belong in the Eve forums as little as a thread inviting players to other games belong in this forum. I guess all the flames took their toll on some people. Oh well, getting ready to get edited/deleted or/and banned for this. Won't be the first time.

Originally posted by slask777

Well, whatever man. It's still a mmo and you don't need too much brainpower to play them. Get the biggest and best boot out there and you can kick arse with the best of them. It's as easy as that.

All the ingame politics doesn't make the game complicated. Some of the best pvp politics I've ever witnessed was in Anarchy Online pre-sl and pvp there is simple. Twinking for pvp is a little worse but basic math skills would get you through that.

Ship builds complicated?? Lol, google eve ship builds/loadout/fitting and presto, there you go.

Pvp tactics? Right, get somewhat competent players behind the wheel and ventrillo going and they would be quite hard to take down. That goes for any mmo that got pvp in it. It's not complicated at all. Ever heard of premades? Yes they existed before WoW and you where mincemeat if you got in their way for the most part.

The economy part is the only part in Eve which is kinda complicated but it's still economy lite.

Funny you should mention the player base. Snot-nosed elitist is my experience with them. They are full of themselfes, looking at themselfes like the only smart players out there, who play the only mmo worth playing. Pvp games tend to attract those kinda people, just look at Darkfall.

I'll stop now before I go completely hater on this game. It just off me the wrong way when people want to sell this game, or any game for that matter, as something it isn't. Besides I like to argue with the Eve nuts. Their world view is quite skewed at times. I get they like the game, but it blows for alot of other people. Just the way things work.

Can you name a reasonably popular MMO that is more complex so I can have a better time considering your opinion as valid in its own way? I like to give people coming off as arrogant the benefit of the doubt.

"Well, whatever man. It's still a mmo and you don't need too much brainpower to play them. Get the biggest and best boot out there and you can kick arse with the best of them. It's as easy as that."

Actually it isnt as simple as that.  If you think that, you havnt done much PvP with or against skilled players. 

>>>>All the ingame politics doesn't make the game complicated.

Perhaps you are a master politician and what is hard and deep for the rest of us is easy for yoy?

>>>Ship builds complicated?? Lol, google eve ship builds/loadout/fitting and presto, there you go.

Um, is that how you choose all your fittings?  I look at what other people have done for ideas but there are thousands of permutations and there is no "best" build.   Maybe you dont see the depth here because you just copies other people's fits and never really expored it?  It seems pretty obvious that is the case.

>>>Pvp tactics? Right, get somewhat competent players behind the wheel and ventrillo going and they would be quite hard to take down. That goes for any mmo that got pvp in it. It's not complicated at all. Ever heard of premades? Yes they existed before WoW and you where mincemeat if you got in their way for the most part.

Ok, now I cant even take you seriously.  Im suspecting you havnt even PvPed in EVE and just read about it.   Skilled PvP fleets complelty destroy unskilled ones.

>>>The economy part is the only part in Eve which is kinda complicated but it's still economy lite.

Compared to what?  The real world?  Well yeah, Im not sure Id want to play a game that was as complciated as the real world.

>>> Snot-nosed elitist is my experience with them. They are full of themselfes, looking at themselfes like the only smart players out there, who play the only mmo worth playing. Pvp games tend to attract those kinda people, just look at Darkfall.

Yeah there are some elitiest people in EVE.  There are also alot of really down to earth people.  In both cases Ive found them to be pretty smart.  Much smarter than those than I encountered in WOW or EQ or such games.  (And I really like/liked those games) Most of all Ive found the players in EVE to be the most generous and helping and Ive played pretty much every MMO except SWG.

>>>Besides I like to argue with the Eve nuts. Their world view is quite skewed at times. I get they love the game, but it blows for alot of other people. Just the way things work.

What tends to get EVE players worked up is misrepresentation.  Sorry if this sounds elitist but you simply are misinformed about alot of things you are saying.  Some things are a matter of opinion but alot of the things you are saying arent.

You dont like the game.  Thats fine.  There are alot of games I know to be good but just arent my cup of tea.  But I can promise you that you dont have the smallest understanding of how EVE really works.  But even if you did, I can tell you that this isnt a game for you.  The fact that you think that having the biggest ship is best or just copying fits from the the internet is the way to go is proof that you dont want a game that requires alot of problem solving.  Im not saying this as an insult. 

You people are incredible. Well, screw it. I'm done arguing with you eve folks. This can't end well nomatter how it goes. Signing off this thread, as usual when I get into argument with Eve people. Hell, even Zorndorf is more sensible.

The fact of the matter is this was an EVE Online related thread about bringing in new players, and you were in here starting things. To each his own opinion, sure. But if you're going to voice it, then be prepared to get into a discussion about it in the discussion forums that we post on.  Don't lay blame on EVE Online players who apparently have world views that are quite skewed at times for causing a ruckus.

Besides, your point was weak. You don't take away from the complexity of a game by googling walk-throughs and how-to's.

Originally posted by slask777

You people are incredible. Well, screw it. I'm done arguing with you eve folks. This can't end well nomatter how it goes. Signing off this thread, as usual when I get into argument with Eve people. Hell, even Zorndorf is more sensible.

LOL.  Next time don't make claims you cant back up and then you won't have to run away all indignant like

Originally posted by gholston

I will continue to enjoy a thinking man's game with limitless possibilities.

Are you finished mentally masturbating your ego yet? Good. Wipe yourself off and let's move on...

Just because someone doesn't like a game you do doesn't give you the right to belittle them by insinuating they are stupid. I played Eve for 4 1/2 years before asshats like you drove me away from the game. If Eve becomes a colossal failure in the future, it will be your kind, and not any fault of the game itself. CCP should be embarrassed to have supporters like you.

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Originally posted by Gdemami

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Originally posted by Katilla
it's based on players SKILLS that you spent points into.  Not player skill, for the action is more of an RTS then anything. Which basically means if you have not been in the game for ages, you pretty much fail against people who have, and they make up the majority of this community.
and ffs a WoW comment?  get real.

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You were directed to WoW because that is what you think EVE is. If you think that character age matters in EVE, you better stop making such clueless statements and/or go playing game that is familiar to you.

Character skills are secondary in PVP and on the contrary, the game allows you to 'catch up' faster then in any other game.

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You can never make a valid argument that the amount of time someone has been in the game doesn't matter when your skills increase in real-time. The time you have been subbed to the game is one of the most important things that determines your power and versatility.

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Originally posted by Leodious
You can never make a valid argument that the amount of time someone has been in the game doesn't matter when your skills increase in real-time. The time you have been subbed to the game is one of the most important things that determines your power and versatility.

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I never said SP does not matter.

Yes, SP brings versatility to your character but power comes solely from the thing you have between your ears.

Originally posted by slask777

You people are incredible. Well, screw it. I'm done arguing with you eve folks. This can't end well nomatter how it goes. Signing off this thread, as usual when I get into argument with Eve people. Hell, even Zorndorf is more sensible.

The eve people, especially gdemmi have been pretty polite to you, especially considering the bile and vitriol you are spraying. if you need to run away however, please do.

You can't say that. Yes, being relatively intelligent helps...a lot. But when you have skills that increase your damage, your speed, what you can use, and the kinds of ships you can fly, those skills do directly increase your power. There is no valid way to claim that they do not. They do. It's just so obvious that when there is a skill that increase the damage you do, having that skill will increase your power.