Originally posted by Soupism

 I remember back when I was raiding EQ and WoW first cdame out, people talked about wow being an eq killer and how others would say "nothing would ever kill eq!!" and look what happened there.

Nothing, EQ is still running after 10 years

Ah ok. Like I said, I'm a noob with scouts. To me it just seems whether you want to be a destroyer by yourself or support or to micromanage the fight, and flying would seem to have all sorts of pros and cons in regards to cooldowns and burst and poisons/dots (if assassins even get em /shrug).

But yeah, I'll take your word for it hehe.

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by Soupism

 I remember back when I was raiding EQ and WoW first cdame out, people talked about wow being an eq killer and how others would say "nothing would ever kill eq!!" and look what happened there.

Nothing, EQ is still running after 10 years

Yes but for all the popularity it did have, it is dead. Not a big deal, I miss and love that game. But my training wheels had to come off at some point.

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Originally posted by Soupism
Ah ok. Like I said, I'm a noob with scouts. To me it just seems whether you want to be a destroyer by yourself or support or to micromanage the fight, and flying would seem to have all sorts of pros and cons in regards to cooldowns and burst and poisons/dots (if assassins even get em /shrug).
 
But yeah, I'll take your word for it hehe.

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It's cool. I'm still new to the class as well (just played it last closed beta) but I feel like I've read enough and done enough reading up on the class to understand. The one thing that most high level assassins will tell you is that flight is a bad thing to get into when against a ranged class.

We want people to stay on the ground as much as possible. :)

Originally posted by Nadril

 

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Originally posted by Soupism
Ah ok. Like I said, I'm a noob with scouts. To me it just seems whether you want to be a destroyer by yourself or support or to micromanage the fight, and flying would seem to have all sorts of pros and cons in regards to cooldowns and burst and poisons/dots (if assassins even get em /shrug).
 
But yeah, I'll take your word for it hehe.

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It's cool. I'm still new to the class as well (just played it last closed beta) but I feel like I've read enough and done enough reading up on the class to understand. The one thing that most high level assassins will tell you is that flight is a bad thing to get into when against a ranged class.

We want people to stay on the ground as much as possible. :)

Whats the difference between fighting ranged in air or on ground?

Your stealth and "shadowstep" skills work in flight too

Originally posted by unclemo

For a second I thought this was a Warhammer thread. 

yea me too and I was ready to respond, but it wasnt, aka warrhammer is the winner in this catagory

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Whats the difference between fighting ranged in air or on ground?

 

Your stealth and "shadowstep" skills work in flight too

Avoiding getting kited is difficult enough in 2d. Adding in a 3d makes it even more difficult.

I dont have very high expectations for this game. Im trying the closed beta so I will find out if i was thinking correctly.

Originally posted by Geriden

Ok so show me where they stated you can fly but its in this awesome invisable dome ?

They say you can fly where the aether is, They never said its practicly no where.

What ever way you put it you cant tell me flying in this game is in anyway what they lead people to think it will be like, Are you telling me your not going to see this forum and the offical forums flooded with complaints about how flight works because there isnt one person ive spoken to ingame and out of the game who thought flight in aion would be flying inside a invisable dome !

Once again, there is no misleading. You just don't like how they implemented it. I can understand that. There are several ways they could have done this better (I'm assuming you mean flying upwards and hitting an invisible wall?). However there is no reason to believe that one would be able to fly to the other side.

Personally, unless there is some hard and fast reason why this can't be done, all they had to do was have players lose momentum, sort of like a helicopter flying to high and not being able to "bite" into the atmosphere.

But in no game that I know have they ever marketed the actual hard coded mechanics of the game. To that end, in no place Lord of the Rings do they indicate that you can't go anywhere and everywhere you want or that you can't dive under the water. There are just limitations to how devs are making game worlds today. Some decisions are more organic than others.

So you don't like the implementation? fine. I can't fault you for that. But I don't see anything misleading. I can fly. In some places I can glide for very long periods of time by just jumping off of a hill. The abyss allows you to fly practically everywhere within the limites of your wings and pots and buffs.

so, "so what" if one can't fly as high up as one would like? That has nothing to do with the game. You can fly pretty high but if you think that one was going to be flying as high as an airplane then I think that's undrealistic.

Essentialy you jumped to conclusions. All anyone woudl have to do was to ask the question on the forums and the truth would be revealed. They pretty much removed the nda very early on. Misleading would be if they showed players flying at impossible heights but once in game you had the system we have in Aion now.

NC showing flying says nothing about the "how" it is implemented. Again, you dont' like how it is implemented, fine, no reason you should. Heck, I don't like the the invisible walls either. It's cheap. But saying that some sort of lie is being perpetrated is a bit beyond the pale.

Originally posted by holdenhamlet

I bought a pre-order and have tried to play this game but I just can't manage to play for more than an hour or two.  Admittingly, I've only made it to level 10, but I have doubts as to if the game dramatically changes after that.  

 

Graphics in-game are very dissapointing compared with how the game appears in screenshots, gameplay seems worse than WoW- just with really flashy animations, and the entire first 10 levels was spent grinding little bug-like creatures in small and walled-off areas.

I could see this game as a free-to-play and I might try it if it was, but I could not see forking over more than the 5 dollars I already wasted on it.

So... I really don't get the appeal.  I understand there hasn't been a major MMORPG release recently, but are people really that desperate that they want to play "this"?

In respect to the title subject of this post, Darkfall would be the worst over-hyped game ever.

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Originally posted by Leucrotta

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Originally posted by Nadril

 

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Originally posted by Soupism
Ah ok. Like I said, I'm a noob with scouts. To me it just seems whether you want to be a destroyer by yourself or support or to micromanage the fight, and flying would seem to have all sorts of pros and cons in regards to cooldowns and burst and poisons/dots (if assassins even get em /shrug).
 
But yeah, I'll take your word for it hehe.

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It's cool. I'm still new to the class as well (just played it last closed beta) but I feel like I've read enough and done enough reading up on the class to understand. The one thing that most high level assassins will tell you is that flight is a bad thing to get into when against a ranged class.
We want people to stay on the ground as much as possible. :)

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Whats the difference between fighting ranged in air or on ground?
 
Your stealth and "shadowstep" skills work in flight too

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Ambush does not work in flight. Plus getting kited sucks enough normally, nevermind with an added dimension.

Would AoC or WAR have sold a fraction of the boxes as they did if they had been as open as Aion has been in it's public information and mass play oppotunities before they launched?

If your answer is no then you have kinda answered the question which games were the more falsely represented by their devs.

Originally posted by shamall

I was gonna say something sarcastic about the OP then thought "why bother" and decided to just go for the +1

And now im stealing from you for the +1, you like how I did that?

Over-hyped, and weak graphics?  You've gotta be kidding.

Ken

Well Aion has really nice graphics and game atmosphere incredible but i really dont like to combat system.

Some class/classes grips other player/mob and sometimes throw them in to air and hits him/her in the air etc.Im like "wth im doing".Okay some of you will reply to my message like "It's Fantasy game and those combos normal in a fantasy game"  but  i didnt get any problem about combat system in other mmorpgs before (Played wow, aoc, war etc..)

Combat system so showy and i dont want to feel like "playing mmorpg in atari saloon".Its just not my style and maybe Aion not my game, to be honest i dont know.

Still will buy the game in September, just dont know to continue after 1 month..

I don't know why people are so afraid of slight changes from systems they already know. The combat animations are nothing short of.....animations. They look really cool. Besides that its the same, read this skill to find out what its doing and the animations are the nice presentation of that for us on the screen.

In no way have I seen the Aion animations doing anything detrimental to the skill descriptions, so therefore, I can't see them being a real issue.

Originally posted by Lord_Ixigan

Over-hyped? No.

That's ENTIRELY subjective. The worst over-hyped game ever was Darkfal, hands down.

The chances are you're just burned out on MMO's. Go play Champions Online since that looks like a good instant gratification fest. I'll being playing Aion and Section 8 myself, good old RPG funness and awesome fps action.

 

Yeah, Darkfall sucks. You're right about that, but Aion is a very hyped game, but people don't understand that Aion has a huge grind, the graphics are artistically, but Aion is mainly an endgame PvP game with a bit of a storyline.

Originally posted by vesavius

Would AoC or WAR have sold a fraction of the boxes as they did if they had been as open as Aion has been in it's public information and mass play oppotunities before they launched?

Good point.

Of course not. It's the players who are hyping the game up this time, and not the other way around. There's an abundance of information on the internet about every single part of the game, a lot of high level players are posting their thoughts on the end-game, the game mechanics etc. It's there for everyone to see.

On the other hand, not lifting the NDA until its launch, all AoC had going for it was Tortage, everything beyond that was !@#$. Same with WAR, fun in T1 and T2, but failed really badly in everything else.

Can you imagine AoC or WAR selling anywhere near 1million boxes had they let the public try out Battlekeep sieges and raids (AoC) or capital city sieges (WAR) ??

Originally posted by Electriceye

 Can you imagine AoC or WAR selling anywhere near 1million boxes had they let the public try out Battlekeep sieges and raids (AoC) or capital city sieges (WAR) ??

so true..

Originally posted by Electriceye

Originally posted by vesavius

Would AoC or WAR have sold a fraction of the boxes as they did if they had been as open as Aion has been in it's public information and mass play oppotunities before they launched?

 

Good point.

Of course not. It's the players who are hyping the game up this time, and not the other way around. There's an abundance of information on the internet about every single part of the game, a lot of high level players are posting their thoughts on the end-game, the game mechanics etc. It's there for everyone to see.

On the other hand, not lifting the NDA until its launch, all AoC had going for it was Tortage, everything beyond that was !@#$. Same with WAR, fun in T1 and T2, but failed really badly in everything else.

 

Can you imagine AoC or WAR selling anywhere near 1million boxes had they let the public try out Battlekeep sieges and raids (AoC) or capital city sieges (WAR) ??

Precisely, and this is what so many people fail to see.

I admit i was taken by the hype in AoC and WAR, but i had never tried the game before i actually bought the boxes, and some time after i quit in both cases and i said to myself that i was never gonna do the same mistake again.

This time i am very excited about this game, but not because i read about it on the internet, this time i am in the closed beta, and ive played on the chinese servers, this time I HAVE PLAYED THE GAME, i actually know whats it like, so i am also hyping this game on the forums, because i know what it is.