Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by purewitz

Instead of typing out a new responce to this article. I'll just copy & paste my post from MMOSite. Just so you know, I'm Purewitz other there too.

 

I agree with Champions Online coming out next month and DC Universe Online coming out next year. City of Heroes has a lot to worry about. Plus if the Marvel MMO ever gets rolling again. That would be another game for City of Heroes to worry about, if it happens. CoH has had its time. Its like Star Wars Galaxies and Star Wars: The Old Republic. Does anyone really thing SWG will survive, when TOR comes out? I certainly don't think so. Same goes for CoH and the new next-gen superhero MMOs.

 

if i remeber right CO was supposed to marvel i could be wrong

I think so too. Cryptic and Microsoft were making it for Marvel. Then all of the sudden, Cryptic had there own game coming out. I always found that odd, how that played out. I personally think Cryptic scammed Marvel out of a game, but I could be wrong and readiing too much into it.

Originally posted by purewitz

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by purewitz

Instead of typing out a new responce to this article. I'll just copy & paste my post from MMOSite. Just so you know, I'm Purewitz other there too.

 

I agree with Champions Online coming out next month and DC Universe Online coming out next year. City of Heroes has a lot to worry about. Plus if the Marvel MMO ever gets rolling again. That would be another game for City of Heroes to worry about, if it happens. CoH has had its time. Its like Star Wars Galaxies and Star Wars: The Old Republic. Does anyone really thing SWG will survive, when TOR comes out? I certainly don't think so. Same goes for CoH and the new next-gen superhero MMOs.

 

if i remeber right CO was supposed to marvel i could be wrong

 

I think so too. Cryptic and Microsoft were making it for Marvel. Then all of the sudden, Cryptic had there own game coming out. I always found that odd, how that played out. I personally think Cryptic scammed Marvel out of a game, but I could be wrong and readiing too much into it.

Marvel shut that project down, Cryptic sold of COH to ncsoft so they could devolope and publish Champions online on their own guess they got tired of larger companies screwing them over.

Work has restarted for the Marvel MMO by a different developer, my guess is that it'll take a considerable amount of time before we see any results.

CoX has nothing to worry about. CO is not bringing anything new or innovative in terms of gameplay or visuals.

Unless you consider Microtransactions and "lifetime" subscriptions the pinnacle of innovation.

Get in the beta and see for yourself. I can't tell you much since the NDA is still in effect.

Originally posted by TwwIX

CoX has nothing to worry about. CO is not bringing anything new or innovative in terms of gameplay or visuals.

Unless you consider Microtransactions and "lifetime" subscriptions the pinnacle of innovation.

Get in the beta and see for yourself. I can't tell you much since the NDA is still in effect.

In beta also. It does bring some things that are new and it has what you would expect from an mmo the point is it offers what coh does plus abit more and with a company that is has proven to bring good regular updates to game. People keep moaning about these Microtransactions.... they are simply extra character slots/costume packs etc which CoX has aswell.

The CoX devolopers  have forgotten their community, adding some face skins or adding a colour option to powers are not what should be considered an Issue update. AE Should be fixed or removed. At the moment they are just adding feactures you would of expected to be in the game a long time ago.

Originally posted by Kelador

Originally posted by TwwIX

CoX has nothing to worry about. CO is not bringing anything new or innovative in terms of gameplay or visuals.

Unless you consider Microtransactions and "lifetime" subscriptions the pinnacle of innovation.

Get in the beta and see for yourself. I can't tell you much since the NDA is still in effect.

 

In beta also. It does bring some things that are new and it has what you would expect from an mmo the point is it offers what coh does plus abit more and with a company that is has proven to bring good regular updates to game. People keep moaning about these Microtransactions.... they are simply extra character slots/costume packs etc which CoX has aswell.

The CoX devolopers  have forgotten their community, adding some face skins or adding a colour option to powers are not what should be considered an Issue update. AE Should be fixed or removed. At the moment they are just adding feactures you would of expected to be in the game a long time ago.

As i said, once the NDA has been lifted i will be more than happy to express my displeasure in detail.

i still like city of heroes and play it when i can get a cheap time card on ebay . i dont think its worth the current monthly subscription fee though . its looking quite old now . did i hear there may be a graphics engine update soon ? i cant comment on champions online i ve not played it but if it offers decent pvp it ll have one up on city of heroes in my book . anyway we ll just have to wait and see i guess .

Originally posted by TwwIX

Originally posted by Kelador

Originally posted by TwwIX

CoX has nothing to worry about. CO is not bringing anything new or innovative in terms of gameplay or visuals.

Unless you consider Microtransactions and "lifetime" subscriptions the pinnacle of innovation.

Get in the beta and see for yourself. I can't tell you much since the NDA is still in effect.

 

In beta also. It does bring some things that are new and it has what you would expect from an mmo the point is it offers what coh does plus abit more and with a company that is has proven to bring good regular updates to game. People keep moaning about these Microtransactions.... they are simply extra character slots/costume packs etc which CoX has aswell.

The CoX devolopers  have forgotten their community, adding some face skins or adding a colour option to powers are not what should be considered an Issue update. AE Should be fixed or removed. At the moment they are just adding feactures you would of expected to be in the game a long time ago.

As i said, once the NDA has been lifted i will be more than happy to express my displeasure in detail.

And when you do I'll be sure to tear apart your "points".

CO is fine.

Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero

Originally posted by TwwIX

Originally posted by Kelador

Originally posted by TwwIX

CoX has nothing to worry about. CO is not bringing anything new or innovative in terms of gameplay or visuals.

Unless you consider Microtransactions and "lifetime" subscriptions the pinnacle of innovation.

Get in the beta and see for yourself. I can't tell you much since the NDA is still in effect.

 

In beta also. It does bring some things that are new and it has what you would expect from an mmo the point is it offers what coh does plus abit more and with a company that is has proven to bring good regular updates to game. People keep moaning about these Microtransactions.... they are simply extra character slots/costume packs etc which CoX has aswell.

The CoX devolopers  have forgotten their community, adding some face skins or adding a colour option to powers are not what should be considered an Issue update. AE Should be fixed or removed. At the moment they are just adding feactures you would of expected to be in the game a long time ago.

As i said, once the NDA has been lifted i will be more than happy to express my displeasure in detail.

 

And when you do I'll be sure to tear apart your "points".

CO is fine.

Fine, as in disappointingly mediocre? Yes, it is Mr. Internet Tough Guy. You make a good point.

Originally posted by TwwIX

Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero

Originally posted by TwwIX

Originally posted by Kelador

Originally posted by TwwIX

CoX has nothing to worry about. CO is not bringing anything new or innovative in terms of gameplay or visuals.

Unless you consider Microtransactions and "lifetime" subscriptions the pinnacle of innovation.

Get in the beta and see for yourself. I can't tell you much since the NDA is still in effect.

 

In beta also. It does bring some things that are new and it has what you would expect from an mmo the point is it offers what coh does plus abit more and with a company that is has proven to bring good regular updates to game. People keep moaning about these Microtransactions.... they are simply extra character slots/costume packs etc which CoX has aswell.

The CoX devolopers  have forgotten their community, adding some face skins or adding a colour option to powers are not what should be considered an Issue update. AE Should be fixed or removed. At the moment they are just adding feactures you would of expected to be in the game a long time ago.

As i said, once the NDA has been lifted i will be more than happy to express my displeasure in detail.

 

And when you do I'll be sure to tear apart your "points".

CO is fine.

Fine, as in disappointingly mediocre? Yes, it is Mr. Internet Tough Guy. You make a good point.

 

 

 

  Lol no one can win this fight due to the NDA so lets table it until its lifted and then we can all agree to disagree lol

CO simply improves upon everything that they did with CoH. In fact it's the game that CoH should have been when they were originally starting to make the game. I followed CoH way back from the beginning and CO has a lot of the ideas that they were forced to compromise on in order to get a publisher (NCSoft) for the game.

CO is simply the next generation in superhero MMOs. There's not really any reason to choose CoH over Champions Online.

Originally posted by Kelador

Originally posted by TwwIX

Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero

Originally posted by TwwIX

Originally posted by Kelador

Originally posted by TwwIX

CoX has nothing to worry about. CO is not bringing anything new or innovative in terms of gameplay or visuals.

Unless you consider Microtransactions and "lifetime" subscriptions the pinnacle of innovation.

Get in the beta and see for yourself. I can't tell you much since the NDA is still in effect.

 

In beta also. It does bring some things that are new and it has what you would expect from an mmo the point is it offers what coh does plus abit more and with a company that is has proven to bring good regular updates to game. People keep moaning about these Microtransactions.... they are simply extra character slots/costume packs etc which CoX has aswell.

The CoX devolopers  have forgotten their community, adding some face skins or adding a colour option to powers are not what should be considered an Issue update. AE Should be fixed or removed. At the moment they are just adding feactures you would of expected to be in the game a long time ago.

As i said, once the NDA has been lifted i will be more than happy to express my displeasure in detail.

 

And when you do I'll be sure to tear apart your "points".

CO is fine.

Fine, as in disappointingly mediocre? Yes, it is Mr. Internet Tough Guy. You make a good point.

 

 

 

  Lol no one can win this fight due to the NDA so lets table it until its lifted and then we can all agree to disagree lol

NDA has nothing to do with it.  If someone doesn't like it, they don't like it.
There's no win/lose.
People will try the game, people will like and hate it. 
CoX has been here for 5+ years and it's still going. 
I play with tons of people everyday and so have many posters here.
Play what you want and move on.  So many cry babies in here...

Originally posted by TwwIX

Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero

Originally posted by TwwIX

Originally posted by Kelador

Originally posted by TwwIX

CoX has nothing to worry about. CO is not bringing anything new or innovative in terms of gameplay or visuals.

Unless you consider Microtransactions and "lifetime" subscriptions the pinnacle of innovation.

Get in the beta and see for yourself. I can't tell you much since the NDA is still in effect.

 

In beta also. It does bring some things that are new and it has what you would expect from an mmo the point is it offers what coh does plus abit more and with a company that is has proven to bring good regular updates to game. People keep moaning about these Microtransactions.... they are simply extra character slots/costume packs etc which CoX has aswell.

The CoX devolopers  have forgotten their community, adding some face skins or adding a colour option to powers are not what should be considered an Issue update. AE Should be fixed or removed. At the moment they are just adding feactures you would of expected to be in the game a long time ago.

As i said, once the NDA has been lifted i will be more than happy to express my displeasure in detail.

 

And when you do I'll be sure to tear apart your "points".

CO is fine.

Fine, as in disappointingly mediocre? Yes, it is Mr. Internet Tough Guy. You make a good point.

 

 

 

I'm not JUST a Tough Guy on the internet. I also play one in Champions Online. A game which is Fine TM.

Dissapointly mediocre would be your food stamps.

Also one last thing...

rawr.

 CoH has nothing to worry about, Chanpions online doesnt even merit a "look-see" to me.

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Originally posted by Death1942 
1. City of Heroes is the only one of these games without microtransactions (and some people hate them with a passion), it's also the oldest of the games (more established players tend to stick with the game)

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Originally posted by TwwIX
CoX has nothing to worry about. CO is not bringing anything new or innovative in terms of gameplay or visuals.
Unless you consider Microtransactions and "lifetime" subscriptions the pinnacle of innovation...

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And buying extra character slots, renames, respecs, costumes (in CoX) are not considered microtransactions? I think this whole CO has microtransactions argument has been really blown out of proportion by people. And what's wrong with a limited time offer lifetime subscription (that only a few people usually get anyways)? I don't see LOTRO burning up in flames because of their lifetime subscriptions.

Originally posted by MikeB

In a feature over at MMOSite, writer Cecil Adkins examines why the folks at Paragon Studios should be worried about their upcoming competition in Champions Online.

The article breaks down the reasons into a few points:

1. Champions online is new and shiny
2. The issues surrounding the implementation of the Mission Architect has left a bad taste in many users' mouths.
3. City of Heroes PvP is still "a mess".
4. Cryptic Studios has had the opportunity to utilize hindsight in their development of City of Heroes to hopefully not repeat the same mistakes in Champions Online, as well as directly cater to the needs of new players who aren't getting what they want out of City of Heroes.
5. The Nemesis System.
6. Updates to City of Heroes have been slow-going.

For an insightful read, check out the full piece over at MMOSite.

As for point #1, I've seen the screens and videos of Champions.  It looks more "cartoony", which may or may be "better" than CoX graphics.  For a game that is over 5 years old, CoX still looks pretty good.  It didn't get outdated as quick as say EQ1.

Point #2, I personally have never heard many complaints about the Architect.  None of my friends or sg mates have said anything but positive things about it.   It's a system that adds new content daily, complete with it's own rewards.

Ok now #3 is about PvP, which this is like beating a dead horse.  The majority of players in CoX do not want more pvp, repeatedly when asked co-op zones are asked for more than pvp.  That is why they added more co-op content and not more pvp zones.  The majority playerbase simply isn't asking for it.  Yet some other people keep hammering the poor dead horse about it, since some people feel pvp is a MUST for a mmo to be good.  Which isn't the case.

Can't really say much about #4 except that I would surely hope cryptic would learn from what worked and didn't in CoX and apply it to Champions.

Point #5 is the only real thing NCSoft should be worried about.  The ability for every player to make it's own unique counterpart could be the single most thing that draws people to Champions.

Lastly, #6 tells me the author hasn't actually played CoX in a few years.  Right around when CoV came out, yes updates were very slow.  Since NCSoft took charge we have been getting more updates quicker.  They said they wanted to average around 3 months between issues.  You can see that shortly after I15 came out we started getting teaser info about I16, so they're not sitting on their hands doing nothing.

Originally posted by DrowNoble

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Lastly, #6 tells me the author hasn't actually played CoX in a few years.  Right around when CoV came out, yes updates were very slow.  Since NCSoft took charge we have been getting more updates quicker.  They said they wanted to average around 3 months between issues.  You can see that shortly after I15 came out we started getting teaser info about I16, so they're not sitting on their hands doing nothing.

 I will also add that there were a couple years when the game updates were limited to 15 developers before Crypitic sold the game to NCSoft.  Now there has been an influx of 50 plus, and major and more updates are occuring.