I wonder if LOTRO China has wights (undead skeletons). Anybody know? Tons of wights in LOTRO, I wonder what they'd replace them with.

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With that said that definition pretty much anhiliates the argument that Athiesm is not a religion.
Doctrince. Belief. Disbelief. Those are all heavily religious words. Atheism is a religion becuase it is faith/belief/doctrine based. You have faith that God does not exist. You have no scientific evidence becuase the question of God's existence is not a scientific question...  

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Theres the historical evidence that religions are a modern invention. Stuff like monoteism is like only 3000 years old. Stuff like cristianism is like only 2009 years old. Or something, I don't care.
These things where invented by humans not much ago. Before that, theres no traits of the existence of these beliefs.

Theres also the horrible contradictions of all the religions about what is, is not, and what to do.

Everthing this make us think is yous customs and traditions. Irrational social ways to control people.

Scientology whas invented not long ago by a science-fiction writter. I have another word to describe religions: SCAM SCHEMES.   
 

Originally posted by Death1942

Originally posted by Teiman

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Teiman

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Yeah how dare they let centuries  of beliefs get in the way of the inspiration  WOW can bring to their culture.

 

Mao-Tse Tung, is that you?

 

No just someone who doesnt think WOW is as important as an ancient culture but what do i know.  I know this might be hard for some to believe but the chinese people have more problems than not being able to play a video game.

 

Cultures change. Theres nothing "sacred" in a culture.  Look at how Japan "surf" into the western culture to be sucesfull as a country and mantain his identity.

 

Cultures like everything  else evolve yes. But what this is all about is respect for ancestors and to forget this respect  for the sake of a video game isnt likely to happen.  Japan "evolved" to keep up in world economics, last time i looked China is not only doing well in that respect they are a major player in world economics at this time.

Yes and banning a video game shows how far they've come .
 

Also take this china 

Australia has some pretty strict internet guidelines as well. There are game that are banned there also. What to you propose we do to them?

Remenber then to make a smarter vote the next time.  If you are auss, remove these crazy guys from power on the next elections!

 

 

the bastards pulled it on us halfway through their term in power.  It was never planned during the election.  Also the previous government was in power far too long and our options were fairly limited. 

 

As for the thread...It's a culture thing and nothing else.

Pulled it on you halfway through their term. Yeah, we have the same thing going on here in the U.S.  People wanted hope and change, too bad they didnt see the change coming. Im not sure if we have an internet czar here yet, too many czars to keep up with.

We better be careful we know how touchy the chinese government is, mmorpg.com could get sued for supporting the bad mouthing of it. 

Wiki:

RELIGION

A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural or transcendent quality, that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, God or gods, or ultimate truth.[1] It may be expressed through prayer, ritual, meditation, music and art, among other things. It may focus on specific supernatural, metaphysical, and moral claims about reality (the cosmos and human nature) which may yield a set of religious laws, ethics, and a particular lifestyle. Religion also encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and religious experience.

Lets see how this definition applies to atheism:

Organized approach to human spirituality? NO

Which usually encompasses a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices?  NO

Often with a supernatural or transcendent quality? NO

That give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, God or gods, or ultimate truth? NO

It may be expressed through prayer, ritual, meditation, music and art, among other things? NO

It may focus on specific supernatural, metaphysical, and moral claims about reality (the cosmos and human nature) which may yield a set of religious laws, ethics, and a particular lifestyle? NO

Encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and religious experience? NO

It's not a religion. It's just the THOUGHT (religion has no thought) that there is no God.

Originally posted by cloudacv

before anyone else makes any stupid assumptions.....read this http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=77966.0 it is supposidly from a chinese wow player

Thanks for this..very interesting read. It helped me confirm my opinion that WOTLK's release in China was not delayed due to religion...bones....faith or god....but for the same reason everything else gets fucked with...money.

Originally posted by Teiman

 

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Originally posted by gestalt11
Yes but Atheism is the most irrational of religions.  Its the only one whose central tenet is logically impossible to prove.  Even worse they are so irrational they think they are the most rational.

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LOOOOOL!!.. who has tell you that? Atheism is not a religion.

 

A religion is a system of beliefs in superstitions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstition

Atheism if is something, is the acceptance of the world how it his. Religions where invented by people that reject the idea that the death is the final, creating magical worlds and mythic creatures that make a afterlife possible and "real".

I find atheists just as bad as hard core religious zealots.

Dogma in any form is bad. And quite frankly an atheist can't tell how the universe "is" because it's not possible to do that from the very limited experience that humanity has. It's like a flea sitting on a dog and saying that it can describe the entire dog in looks and temperment. Not going to happen.

A good part of humanity has followed some sort of spirit worship, ancestor worship, diety worship  since very far back. They probably needed this in order to help them make sense of the world around them.

I don't believe people who are religious can prove their beliefs but neither can an atheist prove that there is no great force, intelligence or what have you.

Especially, if one was to really think on what a supreme intelligence would actually be.

Think about it, you are so far above, say, the intelligence and experience of a baby. However, despite the gap between your awareness and a baby's, any intelligence that could create (if one wanted to follow the whole diety thread of thought) a universe, work with all the laws of physics (or create them?) the most advanced geology, biology, and any other "ology" one can throw out there, not to mention supreme mathematics, would be so vastly above us as to probably not be able to impart anything of any real value to us. This intelligence would be farther above us than an adult from a baby.

Certainly you couldn't really, with any effort, describe much to a baby given the baby's limited knowledge and experience.

In any case, as Gary, the little mormon kid on South Park said so well:

Gary: Look, maybe us Mormons do believe in crazy stories that make absolutely no sense, and maybe Joseph Smith did make it all up, but I have a great life. and a great family, and I have the Book of Mormon to thank for that.

The truth is, I don't care if Joseph Smith made it all up, because what the church teaches now is loving your family, being nice and helping people. And even though people in this town might think that's stupid, I still choose to believe in it.

All I ever did was try to be your friend, Stan, but you're so high and mighty you couldn't look past my religion and just be my friend back. You've got a lot of growing up to do, buddy. Suck my balls.

I think we all can learn a little something from Gary

(er, except possibly that last bit)

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by coffee

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by DevilXaphan

Originally posted by Lo-Ki

um what's the deal?

 

What you haven't kept up with the news on why blizzard has delayed WotLK in China?

 

no what's the deal.

 

Pictures/images of skeleton and bones are banned as it currupts minds in china.

 

is it exactly that or does it have to do with ancestor worship or some sort of religious context?

I think communism is atheist so that could not be the reason.

Originally posted by altairzq

 

It's not a religion. It's just the THOUGHT (religion has no thought) that there is no God.

Nice try. It's the BELIEF that there is no God. Science, rathionalisim, Empiricisim, they all have absolultely NOTHING to say on the God issue one way or another. It's outside of their scope. And quite frankly outside of their care, let the religious zealots on both sides of the fence battle that one out.

Regardless though, II see that even you ran like a little girl away from the word Belief.

Didn't sit well with you did it? Ya, it doesn't sit well with me either.

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Originally posted by Sovrath
I find atheists just as bad as hard core religious zealots.
Dogma in any form is bad. And quite frankly an atheist can't tell how the universe "is" because it's not possible to do that from the very limited experience that humanity has. It's like a flea sitting on a dog and saying that it can describe the entire dog in looks and temperment. Not going to happen.

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Well.. the burden of the proff is on the people that say god exist. Theres not need for any dogma or spiritualism. Prove me that ghost exist, or that soul exist, or that god exist, or that jesus was a god, etc.. and I will be ok to me.  

You have not proven that your SuperHero Magic Guy From The Heaven exist, so why I sould NOT laugh at you?

Originally posted by Teiman

 

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Originally posted by Sovrath
I find atheists just as bad as hard core religious zealots.
Dogma in any form is bad. And quite frankly an atheist can't tell how the universe "is" because it's not possible to do that from the very limited experience that humanity has. It's like a flea sitting on a dog and saying that it can describe the entire dog in looks and temperment. Not going to happen.

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Well.. the burden of the proff is on the people that say god exist. Theres not need for any dogma or spiritualism. Prove me that ghost exist, or that soul exist, or that god exist, or that jesus was a god, etc.. and I will be ok to me.  

You have not proven that your SuperHero Magic Guy From The Heaven exist, so why I sould NOT laugh at you?

The pious man says that god exists.
The atheist says that god doesn't exist.

They're both religious men. If they weren't, then they wouldn't be talking about god.

I didnt expect a full blown religious debate when the topic makes me think im about to pay for sex.  So what happened? Did some off topic conversation spill into The Pub?

OP

China has to wait more, QQ

Your a filthy whore...GG

I have 10 bucks, what can you do for me? =)

Originally posted by Ilvaldyr

Originally posted by Teiman

 

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Originally posted by Sovrath
I find atheists just as bad as hard core religious zealots.
Dogma in any form is bad. And quite frankly an atheist can't tell how the universe "is" because it's not possible to do that from the very limited experience that humanity has. It's like a flea sitting on a dog and saying that it can describe the entire dog in looks and temperment. Not going to happen.

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Well.. the burden of the proff is on the people that say god exist. Theres not need for any dogma or spiritualism. Prove me that ghost exist, or that soul exist, or that god exist, or that jesus was a god, etc.. and I will be ok to me.  

You have not proven that your SuperHero Magic Guy From The Heaven exist, so why I sould NOT laugh at you?

The pious man says that god exists.
The atheist says that god doesn't exist.

They're both religious men. If they weren't, then they wouldn't be talking about god.

Where I say that god doesn't exist? 

You LIE. :-)

Originally posted by Teiman 

Where I say that god doesn't exist? 

You LIE. :-)

Yarr, comment wasn't specifically aimed at you, just the atheist viewpoint in general.

Yours was just the most recent comment so I used your post .. like a filthy wh0re.

But still, my point is irrefutable. IRREFUTABLE!

Originally posted by Ilvaldyr

Originally posted by Teiman 

Where I say that god doesn't exist? 

You LIE. :-)

Yarr, comment wasn't specifically aimed at you, just the atheist viewpoint in general.

Yours was just the most recent comment so I used your post .. like a filthy wh0re.

But still, my point is irrefutable. IRREFUTABLE!

Hahahahaha....  :-)

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Yeah how dare they let centuries  of beliefs get in the way of the inspiration  WOW can bring to their culture.

Censoring is bullcrap. I don't care if it's nudity in the U.S., blood in Germany, or bones in China. Frack censorship.

Originally posted by Teiman

 

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Originally posted by Sovrath
I find atheists just as bad as hard core religious zealots.
Dogma in any form is bad. And quite frankly an atheist can't tell how the universe "is" because it's not possible to do that from the very limited experience that humanity has. It's like a flea sitting on a dog and saying that it can describe the entire dog in looks and temperment. Not going to happen.

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Well.. the burden of the proff is on the people that say god exist. Theres not need for any dogma or spiritualism. Prove me that ghost exist, or that soul exist, or that god exist, or that jesus was a god, etc.. and I will be ok to me.  

You have not proven that your SuperHero Magic Guy From The Heaven exist, so why I sould NOT laugh at you?

In that case the burden of proof also falls to the person who says a god doesn't exist since a religous person needs no hard and fast proof since it's based on faith. it is the atheist who is making a claim as well.

I have never EVER met an atheist who could prove that god doesn't exist, especially under the idea (did you read my post?) that humans are finite beings with limited point of view of the universe. Perhaps there is a "god" (and I put that in quotes as we can't know what that really is now can we?) that just doesn't do anything and has nothing to do with the earth. Or perhaps it's some incredibly advanced species. Or a consortium of intelligences?

But the atheist has a belief system of how the universe is. He/she is putting forth the idea that there is no higher intelligence or god. But with no actual proof other than he just doesn't buy it.

As of Friday night I learned that we can now teleport objects. On a molecular scale but we can now do it. That was said to be impossible. This is because people have a VERY limited view on the universe and can't know anything with certainty.

I highlighted the real ridiculous part. Where do I say that I believe in a god?

 All you guys who are argueing that atheism is not a religion are not atheist, you are just apathetic. For those who really are atheists it is a religion.

The burden of proof is not on those who believe in God because science is just as unbelievable and is constantly changing. Just because it seems logical to you that the universe decided to pop into existance one day for no apparent reason and then under next to impossible odds this solar system was set up in such a way that over the course of billions of years would be the only planet (to our knowledge) that can sustain life and to have humans evolve into beings with the intelligence to question their existance on a gaming forum. It all seems a little farfetched to me.

Anyone who says they know anything for sure is either lying or ignorant. Not even science is fact, it's simply the most logical conclusion we have with the tools at our disposal. Tomorrow someone can discover something that throws all those "laws" out the window.

Originally posted by pb1285n

 Anyone who says they know anything for sure is either lying or ignorant. Not even science is fact, it's simply the most logical conclusion we have with the tools at our disposal. Tomorrow someone can discover something that throws all those "laws" out the window.

Thank you!

Originally posted by pb1285n

 All you guys who are argueing that atheism is not a religion are not atheist, you are just apathetic. For those who really are atheists it is a religion.

So my disbelief in unicorns and Santa Claus is also a religion?

"Definitely not. Disbelief in a proposition means that one does not believe it to be true. Not believing that something is true is not equivalent to believing that it is false; one may simply have no idea whether it is true or not. Which brings us to agnosticism."

Also consider the following:

The Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Rather than attempting to define religion, they describe some of the factors that are typically found in religion. The About author came up with the following list:

• Belief in something sacred (for example, gods or other supernatural beings).
• A distinction between sacred and profane objects.
• Ritual acts focused on sacred objects.
• A moral code believed to have a sacred or supernatural basis.
• Characteristically religious feelings (awe, sense of mystery, sense of guilt, adoration), which tend to be aroused in the presence of sacred objects and during the practice of ritual.
• Prayer and other forms of communication with the supernatural.
• A world view, or a general picture of the world as a whole and the place of the individual therein. This picture contains some specification of an over-all purpose or point of the world and an indication of how the individual fits into it.
•  A more or less total organization of one's life based on the world view.
•  A social group bound together by the above.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_defn.htm

Atheism does not require or even have any of that. And no, atheism is not an unified world view either because most atheists believe in many different things. Only thing common is the disbelief in a god(s) and usually for all things considered supernatural. 

Atheists do not consider that Abrahamic God is a special case. For us, it is on the same line with Zeus and Odin. Spinoza's pantheistic god is the probably closest thing that many atheists would contemplate as a god, but it is nothing like Abrahamic God.