Wow will never die because 95% of the population is a twit

Originally posted by Reion1

WOW is killing itself.  They claim that they have 12 million subs but if you check the records WOW's subs are currently at 6 million.  Basically in 2008 they had about 9 million active subs and now half way in 2009 it's at six million.  Why? 

 

Because when you dig through all the trash which intails noobs buying into the hype, fan boys building up the hype, the game is dying because it's gettin played out.  There hasn't been any drastic expansion updates since BC, and wrath is a joke.  Okay, level cap 80, and one  new playable class? LOLZ, come on. Wrath doesn't even have a decent selection of armor from 70-80, Your only selection of different lookin armor is limited to about three, weapons are like four or five. if this wasn't wow there would be crowds weidling pitch forks at blizz con.

 

Patch 3.2 will not save this game and the only thing that might revive wow if they add more playable classes. 

 

I won't touch that game after three 80s.  Because let's face it, tthis game's pvp is not my cup of tea. And I refuse going to pay a monthly fee to raid 2 days and then spend the rest of the week twidling my thumbs, sorry.

Im  starting to sound like a rabid fanboy here ffs and i dont even play the bloody thing anymore... a game dropping down to 6mil subs is hardly freaking dying!!!!??? thats still more than all the other mmos combined!, the only ones who know the exact figures are Blizz and no one else. 

A game as bloody gigantic as wow does not die and no game coming out now, soon or in the next few years save that mmo from Blizz or  WOW2 has any hope of competing against it, what is so hard to accept about the fact that wow is here to stay for a long time to come and will remain no.1 for the same time, it has seen AOC, Vanguard, LOTR, WAR all come out with the same OMG WOW KILLERZZZZ that you muppets keep spouting and guess what... yeah, you already know the bloody answer

 Its the sad truth WoW is probably never going to die. The honest reason behind this is because if even the most perfect game came out that could in theory kill WoW. All of the hardcore players(which is a majoirty of WoW players) have devoted to much of their wasted lives to quit. And as long as people still play it it will never die.

Ok I want to say... The reason I used the term KILLED is because everyone keeps referring to the new game as the WOW killer...I dont see WOW personally ending for a LONG LONG time.. There will be people playing for YEARS to come... Heck EQ1 still has more players than EQ2 (EQ2 sucked IMHO, even though I loved EQ1)

What I am getting at is this.. Out of all the games that have come out since WOW was released at least that I have personally experianced. Only one really to date i think has a chance of even coming close to WOWs subscription base or maybe even surpassing it (even if only for a limited time as many I am sure will go back to WOW) and that game is Aion... No Im not a Aion fanboy by any stretch of the means. But from what I have seen as to date coming from a beta. The game has an amazing amount of Polish. Is probably the most stable game I have ever seen in a beta.. More stable than WOW was at release. Doesnt require a super computer to run on like Vanguard did. Is fairly bug free even though there are a few. The game is just where it needs to be to actually capture people. Not to mention the graphics are amazing  even though stylized graphics are always more of a personal preference.

Aion also seems to have done an amazing job with their PVPVE its like RVR on sterioids with great PVE thrown in and amazing skirmish battles. Even though PVP does not appeal to everyone.

I have enjoyed a great many games including WOW.. and I am writing this from a perspective unlike most who attempt to bash the game. However I feel Aion has  very good chance of giving a WOW a run for its money unlike any other game to date post WOW release... and I have played several and have never stated that even when many others have. This is coming from personal gaming experiance.

I also realize I could be wrong in my assumptions.

Originally posted by sairusco

Originally posted by Reion1

WOW is killing itself.  They claim that they have 12 million subs but if you check the records WOW's subs are currently at 6 million.  Basically in 2008 they had about 9 million active subs and now half way in 2009 it's at six million.  Why? 

 

Are there official records then? and could you link to them?

 

Thanks in advance.

I guess you missed the current situation Blizzard finds itself. Roughly half of the playerbase plays in asia. This year Blizzard has been changing the chinese partner and thus WoW China was Offline.

The given numbers are to some degree accurate.

Wow, can't people just see why World of Warcraft dominates all. Lets go down the list:

Artstyle, artstyle, artstyle.   = amazing (Aion artstyle is okay but animeish, though that game uses the same textures as wow just they use bloom and HDr to cover it up, zoom in if you dont see it go to an eye doctor lol)

Low poly engine w/great art, awesome spell effects and nice lighting (simple lighting but it works) gpu shadows

Amazing fluid animations and char designs = Blizz employs some of the best animators on the planet

Great sound and ambient sound and music = sound is crisp and clean

Accessible gameplay = maybe a little too accessible for the hardcore nerd wierdo basement dwellers.

3D world engine built from the groundup = very important here's the secret do not use some other companies engine use your own build your own.

When a game comes out that matches all of the above I will drop wow. good luck! Even Star Wars TOR is based off some other engine and not bioware's own, very bad mistake right there. Look at WAR, look at Vanguard based off other engines that were not intended for MMO's.

Originally posted by theAsna

Originally posted by sairusco

Originally posted by Reion1

WOW is killing itself.  They claim that they have 12 million subs but if you check the records WOW's subs are currently at 6 million.  Basically in 2008 they had about 9 million active subs and now half way in 2009 it's at six million.  Why? 

 

Are there official records then? and could you link to them?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

I guess you missed the current situation Blizzard finds itself. Roughly half of the playerbase plays in asia. This year Blizzard has been changing the chinese partner and thus WoW China was Offline.

The given numbers are to some degree accurate.

However, that is purely a political/business problem in China and has nothing to do with the quality of the game as Reion1 implied.  Once the issue is sorted out they should regain most of those players. 

Blizzard was announcing subscription numbers every quarter untill their last statement in December 2008 . The most likly reason that one has not been released since is that the subscription numbers have fallen dramatically partly due to the situatoin in China but more than likly they have also fallen in the west too . With the release of Aion these numbers are bound to drop even further . Of course thier wont be a WoW killer as such but what will happen is their will be a gradual erosian of players as other games come out . Also you have to take into account the cool factor . Warcraft for many school age children has become a social phenomenon .Thats bound to change . The one thing i m pretty certain of is Aion is not another Age of Conan , DOO or Warhammer this is acontender and the outcome for Warcraft is far from certain given the weak state of its gameplay at present .

Originally posted by arthen999

Blizzard was announcing subscription numbers every quarter untill their last statement in December 2008 . The most likly reason that one has not been released since is that the subscription numbers have fallen dramatically partly due to the situatoin in China but more than likly they have also fallen in the west too . With the release of Aion these numbers are bound to drop even further . Of course thier wont be a WoW killer as such but what will happen is their will be a gradual erosian of players as other games come out . Also you have to take into account the cool factor . Warcraft for many school age children has become a social phenomenon .Thats bound to change . The one thing i m pretty certain of is Aion is not another Age of Conan , DOO or Warhammer this is acontender and the outcome for Warcraft is far from certain given the weak state of its gameplay at present .

There was a study of WoW players. I believe the average player is an employed 20+ year old male. The cool factor? No one here is playing a MMO to be cool, that is for sure. And the final thing, about WoW numbers in the west falling, isn't true either. The xfire numbers from the lastest patch is the literal and relative highest jump the game has seen ever. WoW isn't dying. 

Disclaimer: I hate WoW

Originally posted by Aldera

 Its the sad truth WoW is probably never going to die. The honest reason behind this is because if even the most perfect game came out that could in theory kill WoW. All of the hardcore players(which is a majoirty of WoW players) have devoted to much of their wasted lives to quit. And as long as people still play it it will never die.

LOL my thoughts as well. No matter how good a mmo is that comes out, many of the hardcore wont leave because of the hours they have invested in WoW. But, at the same time this may allow a good community in the new mmos that come out so its a win win situation.  

Originally posted by cybertrucker

Before I start let me say first. I do not play WOW anymore. I played for the first 2 years of the game got my Prot Spec Warrior to level 60 and left the game just before TBC came out. I enjoyed the game greatly was in a good guild, but wanted to check out Vanguard which I did and stuck to it even though it had ALOT of issues I personally still liked it better than WOW... But that didnt make WOW a bad game.

However since that time when I left the game. I have seen several new games and tried several of them as well Some such as Warhammer claimed to be the next big thing... the WOW killer if you will.

Now the argument is that Aion might trump WOW. Well it might and it might not. Here are reasons WOW is as successful as it is.

1. It is very polished. regardless of what people who hate wow say they cant deny the fact the devs attention to detail is some of the best we have seen in any game.

2. It runs great even on low end computers. When Vanguard came out I went out and built me a new computer just to play the game.. Not everyone has the budget to do something like that. I know personally several people that wanted to play Vanguard when it came out but couldnt afford a machine to run it well to make it worth playing. What happened? They went back to WOW.

3. The game engine is stable and does not suffer from countless bugs. I personally believe there are better games out there than WOW or games that have more potential than WOW. HOWEVER most MMOs that launch these days are pushed out to early suffering from major engine stability issues or bugs. I use Vanguard as my example. Or hell even the last supposed WOW killer WAR which yes I did play up untill last month. WAR to this date still crashes constantly on many computers has graphics anomallies on a regular basis and has major lag in crowded areas even though the graphic polygon count is not really that high... WOW has a stable fairly bug ridden engine. (and yes I realize it has had its share of issues) but even at launch it ran fairly smooth in comparison to games being released today... You could also use AoC it had HUGE amounts of bugs at launch, and didnt recieve many of the fixes it needed untill recently.

4.I would say WOW is a casual game, but really maybe at lower levels it is but at higher levels it can be grindy just like any other game. However the lower levels are fairly casual. Casual enough to suck gamers in.

5. High amounts of Content. Granted alot has been added since launch. But even from the early days there was stuff to do. Or stuff that was challenging enough to keep people going. IE Molten Core. Which back in the day was a tough cookie to crack. But they also keep adding to that content.

Those to me are pretty much the top 5 reasons why WOW hasnt been killed yet. Or should I say is still the top dog. No game to date has had a launch that offered the combination of  Polish, stabiltiy of game engine, lack of major bugs, or sufficient content to keep players happy for long.

However I do see a game upcoming that might be able to knock WOW off that top dog tier. It might not. but it might, and I have to say that it is Aion. These are my reasons.

1. The game world is VERY polished. more so than WOW was at launch The attention to detail is just amazing

2.As amazing as the graphics are you really dont need a top end machine to run it.

3. The engine is amazingly stable the servers overall seem topnotch.  While the game does suffer from some bugs. Its not bug ridden like Vanguard, WAR or AoC was when they launched.

4. The game while it does take longer to level than WOW... its still a fairly decent pace.. It does slow down somewhat in the higher levels but its fast enough in the lower levels to suck people in.

5.The game has not only a high amount of content for a game at launch but also has a PVP experiance that is far superior to what WOW offers.

Like I stated before I dont hate wow.. I actually enjoyed the game and saw many of the positives of the game while I played. Sure I didnt care for the cartoonyness of the world but hey it was a good game. I think after playing Aion these last few months though. I have personally witnessed a game that has everything it will take to be able to compete with WOW... I have played Vanguard, WAR, and AoC and enjoyed my time in all of those games. However I never got the feeling that any of them would EVER compete with WOW due to the issues they all seemed to have and some still suffer from.

Aion though.. It just seems different. I realize WOW hasnt been killed yet. But Aion... Aion I think has a good chance of knocking it out of the number one spot. Even if it only does it for a limited time that will be an achievement none has been able to do.

Ohh one last thing.. One of the things that will keep players going back to WOW even if they believe they found a better game.. That is friends... With such a HUGE community. There will be some that simply dont wish to try a new game.. And many people will go back to be with those friends that just dont want to leave.

Blah blah blah, nothing will kill WoW, blah blah blah.  Your post is just like all of the others before it on this topic.  Everyone knows there is no such thing as a "WoW" killer.  If if WoW2 came out right now, you'd still have enough people clinging to the first version of it to where it would stlil be proftiable to keep it up.

Originally posted by iamct2327

Wow, can't people just see why World of Warcraft dominates all. Lets go down the list:

 

Artstyle, artstyle, artstyle.   = amazing (Aion artstyle is okay but animeish, though that game uses the same textures as wow just they use bloom and HDr to cover it up, zoom in if you dont see it go to an eye doctor lol)

Low poly engine w/great art, awesome spell effects and nice lighting (simple lighting but it works) gpu shadows

Amazing fluid animations and char designs = Blizz employs some of the best animators on the planet

Great sound and ambient sound and music = sound is crisp and clean

Accessible gameplay = maybe a little too accessible for the hardcore nerd wierdo basement dwellers.

3D world engine built from the groundup = very important here's the secret do not use some other companies engine use your own build your own.

 

When a game comes out that matches all of the above I will drop wow. good luck! Even Star Wars TOR is based off some other engine and not bioware's own, very bad mistake right there. Look at WAR, look at Vanguard based off other engines that were not intended for MMO's.

 

 

 

I don't see how BioWare using a propritary engine is a big mistake.  Have you seen what the engine can do?  It's pretty rediculous.  Go google the HeroEngine and tell me it's not exactly what they need.  Using a proprietary engine will allow them to focus on the story right from the very begining.

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Aldera

 Its the sad truth WoW is probably never going to die. The honest reason behind this is because if even the most perfect game came out that could in theory kill WoW. All of the hardcore players(which is a majoirty of WoW players) have devoted to much of their wasted lives to quit. And as long as people still play it it will never die.

 

LOL my thoughts as well. No matter how good a mmo is that comes out, many of the hardcore wont leave because of the hours they have invested in WoW. But, at the same time this may allow a good community in the new mmos that come out so its a win win situation.  

Actually isn't the majority of WoW's players supposed to be casuals with only a small popualation of hardcores?

HeroEngine:

Built by Simutronics, the most experienced online game developer in the world, HeroEngine gives your team the best tools to build the best games faster.

Umm never heard of a game released that even uses the engine. Funny how they're the most experienced game developer in the world lol, its statements like this that scare me away.

Bioware use to make their own engine, you know for BG BG 2, Jade Empire, Star Wars KOTOR, NWN and then they decided to use UT3 for MASS EFFECT! Big mistake since it ran like monkey balls on the PC andhad issues on the xbox 360 with textures, shadows look like crap. Then they decide to use a third party engine for Star Wars TOR. If you ask me they were bought over by EA and they got lazy its called laziness. Companies have to learn the golden rule, create your own engine (it may add 1 to 2 yrs to development and cost more money but look at Blizz as an example. I don't think im touching an EA product ever again, SOE and EA can go take a walk. I will stick with the more professional big boys blizz, Arenanet and anything made by Ubisoft.

Originally posted by bongo123

Originally posted by ghostinfinit

Someday I hope I can get a full night's rest when I know WoW is offically pronounced dead. For now,  I guess I'll keep tossing and turning every night waiting for that WoW killer so I can get some sleep. 

 

you may get used to your tossing and turning while playing your sub 50k mmo, but sure that wow killer is just around the corner... its called WOW2.0

I guess that joke went right over your head.

Originally posted by iamct2327

HeroEngine:

Built by Simutronics, the most experienced online game developer in the world, HeroEngine gives your team the best tools to build the best games faster.

 

Umm never heard of a game released that even uses the engine. Funny how they're the most experienced game developer in the world lol, its statements like this that scare me away.

That's because this engine is brand new and SW:TOR is the first game to use it.  Their claim at being the most experienced ONLINE game developer in the world comes from them creating online games since 1987.

http://elonka.com/SimuTimeline.html

 I'm not saying that makes it true... but they have been around for a while.

Originally posted by iamct2327

Bioware use to make their own engine, you know for BG BG 2, Jade Empire, Star Wars KOTOR, NWN and then they decided to use UT3 for MASS EFFECT! Big mistake since it ran like monkey balls on the PC andhad issues on the xbox 360 with textures, shadows look like crap. Then they decide to use a third party engine for Star Wars TOR. If you ask me they were bought over by EA and they got lazy its called laziness. Companies have to learn the golden rule, create your own engine (it may add 1 to 2 yrs to development and cost more money but look at Blizz as an example. I don't think im touching an EA product ever again, SOE and EA can go take a walk. I will stick with the more professional big boys blizz, Arenanet and anything made by Ubisoft.

I would argue that there is a big difference though.  This HeroEngine was made specifically for online games.  Look at some of the demos and tell me it's not impressive.  I would bet BioWare had a hard time deciding whether or not to create their own engine or use this one.

I am hoping your right, I would like Star Wars TOR to turn out great as well. I love the IP though I lost faith in MMO's to be honest. I applaud Adventurine for trying something new and completely opposite of WOW. It's too bad it is just way too amateurish and horribad (animations, chars and sounds) to play, though their engine is nice (nothing spectacular or next gen but its an open world so it can't be too realistic it runs nice though).  WAR would have been a bit better if developed on a better engine (revamped stripped sortof upgraded DAOC engine gamebryo is a good engine if coded right they didnt code it right).

great music... Much better than WOWs or Aions! MUSE For the win!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtuYLQj6VOs