Originally posted by Proximo521

Originally posted by BlueCadwal

Yes, you get a couple extra points in AGI, but what does it matter?  

I initially started with a Elvaan and then ended up with a Mithra. My primary factor for doing this was due to the fact that my Elvaan missed often! If you didnt have certain types of equipment it made you not as good as your character could be.

I understand where you're coming from. I too chose an Elvaan as my main character's race, but I stuck with it. I've only toyed with other races and realize for myself that in the end I could only be happy playing Elvaan. The reason for this isn't because of stats, but because of the character model. I've always beleived that elves were the classic, storybook, fairytale magical woodland creatures and so I was initially upset that they had such a craptacular MP pool. But that didn't make me choose a Tarutaru, I couldn't stand being that short, or playing as a female (you wouldn't believe the /tells I got just while standing in the introductory cutscenes *shudder* never again) so instead I found better equipment.

And why wouldnt someone care about stats, just because it doesnt make it fun for you to keep track of stats doesnt mean it wouldnt for someone else. Not trying to crap on your parade, I just think if you can't have fun with all of the aspects of your avatar then what is the point? I feel there should be somewhat of a intimate relationship with your avatar as it is somewhat a projection of you. Obviously if you dont that isnt an issue either, but if thats your playing style then it is. But do remember that most players in FFXI did pay attention to it, thats why people would /c you all the time. If stats did not make inital difference then why have equipment that was stat based?

You will be faced with both racial and gender differences in XIV, but if you play a based on stats and not preference then I don't see how the avatar in question matters in the slightest. You want stats, not aesthetics. Amirite? Or, you want the best of both worlds. Sorry to say that just never happens. When they grant these requests, you get things like Scholar, which ruin both White Mage and Black Mage for everyone else. Then again, since Square-Enix is catering to the casual soloers this time around, maybe the differences would be so small that... no, nevermind. Since you play for stats you'll definitely notice the minute differences and complain anyway. Gotta be the best...

Back to my story... I was in a party in Altepa desert and fighting beetles. I had one guy call me out cause my Elvaan just missed 9 times in a row and I was causing problems with chain. I didnt have all the money for equipment (at the time) and felt that the best way to eliminate it was to try a different race. Then I talked to a lot of members in my LS (Curcible) and they suggested to try a Mithra. I did and I never looked back.

OR, if you were in an Altepa party, since you were probably around Lv.40-ish, what you could have done was quest the Elvaan Magna Armor 4-piece set ranging from levels 27-33, each of which adding several DEX points (and MP), making up for the defaulted racial flaws and balancing yourself out. Since it's questable, you're not spending money. And since it's RSE, not JSE, you can use it for all jobs, meaning it's reusable for all your melee needs. Plus once you were done with it you could sell it for at least 35k a piece so don't give me that sob story. Congratulations, you fell in love with Mithra, but a day of questing (and a more appropriate application of that linkshell's help) would have gotten you that armor, and you wouldn't have wasted a total of about 60 levels of gameplay. I wear this armor well in the 50's until I get my first Artifact Armor. Parties don't complain, and my Elvaan doesn't miss.

There is a program that you could use in FFXI (Parser I think) to where you can record damage and percentage of hits and it would an average of all it. I had a friendly competition with another Samurai that was an Elvaan. We had about 20 battles that were officially recorded and viewed by another member and we found that my percentage of damage was higher only because I hit more often. But when it showed his (Elvaan Samurai) critical hits/Weapon Skills he hit harder. So there is a case to made here where stats are going to play a role. Regardless if some feel that 2-3 stat points make a difference. They do according to The Parser program. Now, they dont make much of a difference at the begining of your journey but they certainly do in the end. Just an FYI neither one of us had merit points added yet. But when I did start meriting you can definitely believe that those merit stat points where going to go to Str. Another point, if stats didnt seem to matter then why offer meriting if it didnt make much of a difference? When applied 2 stat points I could see a damage range of 50-80 more points (regular hits) than what I had previously.

So then let me ask you this: If an Elvaan has more misses but deals harder crits compared to a Mithra, does this not balance itself out? You're only taking DEX into account, but Elvaans also have more STR than Mithra. You'll need as much DEX gear for an Elvaan as you would STR gear for a Mithra. Besides, I don't use 3rd party apps or peripherals.

One last thing, sucking at an MMO isnt fun either. If your character consistantly misses then your party cannot function properly. If that cant happen then no exp. If you can't Heal enough hp or dont have enough MP that plays a factor as well. In the long run it is a primary factor wether we like it or not. It was part of the FFXI and yes there are better ways to close the gap. But to suggest that people who pay attention to stats are annoying and suggesting that it sucks the fun out of the game is short sided. If you look at it from the other side, you can see that by not paying attention to stats and gear that your experience in the game can be ruined as well. Not harping, just trying to show a different side of it. Do I like racial stats? Meh, its part of FFXI and i dealt with it. If its part of FFXIV I would expect a better implementation of the system, seeing as FFXI was being developed in 97. Quite a long time ago. But in the end if its part of the game we are simply going to have to make the best of it regardless.

The point I'm making is this: You're choosing your race based on what job you want while all along it would be more suitable the other way around. Choose a job your favorite race will excel in. At least until you're strong enough to suck it up and get better gear. Fact of the matter is that there are inherent differences between races and that's what makes them interesting and gives them more depth than their pixel shell. I've mentioned before that people can't change how they're born but they can change what they do. It's no use wishing to be a black guy, that's not going to make your willy any bigger, so instead of sex maybe you should work on romance? If I deliberatly said "roll-players annoy me" then I should add "when they complain about mechanics" because they're playing the same game as everyone else and are subject to the same rules. Nobody can change them nor should they be able to. Role-players just accept that fact better. I'd rather make up for my character's deficiencies with equipment than choose a character I'm not comfortable with playing. I've never been booted from a party for being Elvaan...

Originally posted by Gameslave

 

The point I'm making is this: You're choosing your race based on what job you want while all along it would be more suitable the other way around. Choose a job your favorite race will excel in. At least until you're strong enough to suck it up and get better gear. Fact of the matter is that there are inherent differences between races and that's what makes them interesting and gives them more depth than their pixel shell. I've mentioned before that people can't change how they're born but they can change what they do. It's no use wishing to be a black guy, that's not going to make your willy any bigger, so instead of sex maybe you should work on romance? If I deliberatly said "roll-players annoy me" then I should add "when they complain about mechanics" because they're playing the same game as everyone else and are subject to the same rules. Nobody can change them nor should they be able to. Role-players just accept that fact better. I'd rather make up for my character's deficiencies with equipment than choose a character I'm not comfortable with playing. I've never been booted from a party for being Elvaan...

Excellent points, all, GameSlave.

I'll come at the same point from a different perspective...

Some of the best tanks I've ever partied with - I mean, would not lose hate no matter what - were Taru PLDs. Not only because they had a better mana pool to cast Cure more to keep hate better, etc. (though that helps, of course); but because they researched and got gear that made up for their racial shortcomings (no pun intended) and knew how to use all the tools available to them.
Two of the best healers I've had in my parties were Galka... because, similarly, they understood their weakness as a race, found out what they needed and obtained the gear to make up for it.

That's just two examples of many where people have excelled at their chosen job, regardless of how "ill-equipped" their race was for it.

Racial stats are not as big a hurdle as some people make them out to be.

Originally posted by Gameslave

Originally posted by Proximo521

Originally posted by BlueCadwal

Yes, you get a couple extra points in AGI, but what does it matter?  

I initially started with a Elvaan and then ended up with a Mithra. My primary factor for doing this was due to the fact that my Elvaan missed often! If you didnt have certain types of equipment it made you not as good as your character could be.

I understand where you're coming from. I too chose an Elvaan as my main character's race, but I stuck with it. I've only toyed with other races and realize for myself that in the end I could only be happy playing Elvaan. The reason for this isn't because of stats, but because of the character model. I've always beleived that elves were the classic, storybook, fairytale magical woodland creatures and so I was initially upset that they had such a craptacular MP pool. But that didn't make me choose a Tarutaru, I couldn't stand being that short, or playing as a female (you wouldn't believe the /tells I got just while standing in the introductory cutscenes *shudder* never again) so instead I found better equipment.

And why wouldnt someone care about stats, just because it doesnt make it fun for you to keep track of stats doesnt mean it wouldnt for someone else. Not trying to crap on your parade, I just think if you can't have fun with all of the aspects of your avatar then what is the point? I feel there should be somewhat of a intimate relationship with your avatar as it is somewhat a projection of you. Obviously if you dont that isnt an issue either, but if thats your playing style then it is. But do remember that most players in FFXI did pay attention to it, thats why people would /c you all the time. If stats did not make inital difference then why have equipment that was stat based?

You will be faced with both racial and gender differences in XIV, but if you play a based on stats and not preference then I don't see how the avatar in question matters in the slightest. You want stats, not aesthetics. Amirite? Or, you want the best of both worlds. Sorry to say that just never happens. When they grant these requests, you get things like Scholar, which ruin both White Mage and Black Mage for everyone else. Then again, since Square-Enix is catering to the casual soloers this time around, maybe the differences would be so small that... no, nevermind. Since you play for stats you'll definitely notice the minute differences and complain anyway. Gotta be the best...

Back to my story... I was in a party in Altepa desert and fighting beetles. I had one guy call me out cause my Elvaan just missed 9 times in a row and I was causing problems with chain. I didnt have all the money for equipment (at the time) and felt that the best way to eliminate it was to try a different race. Then I talked to a lot of members in my LS (Curcible) and they suggested to try a Mithra. I did and I never looked back.

OR, if you were in an Altepa party, since you were probably around Lv.40-ish, what you could have done was quest the Elvaan Magna Armor 4-piece set ranging from levels 27-33, each of which adding several DEX points (and MP), making up for the defaulted racial flaws and balancing yourself out. Since it's questable, you're not spending money. And since it's RSE, not JSE, you can use it for all jobs, meaning it's reusable for all your melee needs. Plus once you were done with it you could sell it for at least 35k a piece so don't give me that sob story. Congratulations, you fell in love with Mithra, but a day of questing (and a more appropriate application of that linkshell's help) would have gotten you that armor, and you wouldn't have wasted a total of about 60 levels of gameplay. I wear this armor well in the 50's until I get my first Artifact Armor. Parties don't complain, and my Elvaan doesn't miss.

There is a program that you could use in FFXI (Parser I think) to where you can record damage and percentage of hits and it would an average of all it. I had a friendly competition with another Samurai that was an Elvaan. We had about 20 battles that were officially recorded and viewed by another member and we found that my percentage of damage was higher only because I hit more often. But when it showed his (Elvaan Samurai) critical hits/Weapon Skills he hit harder. So there is a case to made here where stats are going to play a role. Regardless if some feel that 2-3 stat points make a difference. They do according to The Parser program. Now, they dont make much of a difference at the begining of your journey but they certainly do in the end. Just an FYI neither one of us had merit points added yet. But when I did start meriting you can definitely believe that those merit stat points where going to go to Str. Another point, if stats didnt seem to matter then why offer meriting if it didnt make much of a difference? When applied 2 stat points I could see a damage range of 50-80 more points (regular hits) than what I had previously.

So then let me ask you this: If an Elvaan has more misses but deals harder crits compared to a Mithra, does this not balance itself out? You're only taking DEX into account, but Elvaans also have more STR than Mithra. You'll need as much DEX gear for an Elvaan as you would STR gear for a Mithra. Besides, I don't use 3rd party apps or peripherals.

One last thing, sucking at an MMO isnt fun either. If your character consistantly misses then your party cannot function properly. If that cant happen then no exp. If you can't Heal enough hp or dont have enough MP that plays a factor as well. In the long run it is a primary factor wether we like it or not. It was part of the FFXI and yes there are better ways to close the gap. But to suggest that people who pay attention to stats are annoying and suggesting that it sucks the fun out of the game is short sided. If you look at it from the other side, you can see that by not paying attention to stats and gear that your experience in the game can be ruined as well. Not harping, just trying to show a different side of it. Do I like racial stats? Meh, its part of FFXI and i dealt with it. If its part of FFXIV I would expect a better implementation of the system, seeing as FFXI was being developed in 97. Quite a long time ago. But in the end if its part of the game we are simply going to have to make the best of it regardless.

The point I'm making is this: You're choosing your race based on what job you want while all along it would be more suitable the other way around. Choose a job your favorite race will excel in. At least until you're strong enough to suck it up and get better gear. Fact of the matter is that there are inherent differences between races and that's what makes them interesting and gives them more depth than their pixel shell. I've mentioned before that people can't change how they're born but they can change what they do. It's no use wishing to be a black guy, that's not going to make your willy any bigger, so instead of sex maybe you should work on romance? If I deliberatly said "roll-players annoy me" then I should add "when they complain about mechanics" because they're playing the same game as everyone else and are subject to the same rules. Nobody can change them nor should they be able to. Role-players just accept that fact better. I'd rather make up for my character's deficiencies with equipment than choose a character I'm not comfortable with playing. I've never been booted from a party for being Elvaan...

Ahahaha! Someone is holier than now huh..... Look, its plain and simple. I didnt complain about racial stats, I was suggesting that they do make a difference. I played on a PS2 not on a PC. The parser was something that was done with my friends (who have PC's) as fun to see who would do more damage. In the end if you hit more consistantly you do more damage. Nowhere did i say it would equal out. He did hit harder  for crit and ended up doing more damage on SC's, but on average I did more damage because I was able to hit more. And thats the point of this entire argument. I have evidence that stats make a difference and yes we were bored enough to test it!

Some of the best players that I played with were Taru Nins and Galka Whms. Yes I am admitting that I didnt do well as a Elvaan Samurai and moved on. I knew that I didnt want to jump that hurdle so I took another route. The important thing here is that it WORKED FOR ME!

My last point is that you get to experience all the races the way you like and play the game the way you like.  I chose Mithra because I liked Samurai so much that I didnt care what race I was. Not because I was soo damn enamoured with stats. Sometimes bud it isnt what you think it is. I love the Samurai job obviously and didnt care much about the race factor. I have played every race in this game and have experienced it the way I wanted to. In the end I was happy with the accomplishments I made. I never had to do the stupid RSE quest, cause my Mithra didnt need the gear. I didnt need to put the effort and that was important to me. Im not complaining about anything in this game. I absolutely loved it, I didnt do well as Elvaan Samurai but eh Ill have go at it with this one. But in the end I was happy with what I had done. Dont take this the wrong way, I have no issues with you. You are probably a great player and love the game just as much as I. But do me a favor check the elitest attitude, just because you played one way doesnt mean others should. It didnt make you a better player nor did it make you a better person. You just played it differenly than everyone else. Thanks for your insight.

Pftt... as long as you had the gear... it really didn't matter what race you were. I personally knew better Galka WHM's then say a Taru.

IMHO it just depends on how well you play not what gear you had or what race you were , because if you cant play shit or your bored of the class you wont do your best and you wont help anyone :P

Galka BLM yes,please ? LOL  I think not and racial stats do matter a ton in this game but it shouldn't stop anyone from being creative. I always played the Hume race because we was always good at everything but not great at it.

I also found this article on Destructoid.

www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-xiv-screens-look-like-ff-xi-screens-143073.phtml

I pimped out my main MNK that was mithra, <3 DEX.  

But, I always had a secret envy and hate for ELV SAMS lol...

bottom line, it came down to player skill, gear, then race.... you could make any race with any combo with the right gear in the hands of the right player with imagination to invent some off the wall combos..

Galka whm is a pain in the ass to kill in ballista btw lol... =D

Originally posted by Proximo521

I didnt complain about racial stats, I was suggesting that they do make a difference.

Nowhere did i say it would equal out. He did hit harder  for crit and ended up doing more damage on SC's, but on average I did more damage because I was able to hit more.

Yes I am admitting that I didnt do well as a Elvaan Samurai and moved on. I knew that I didnt want to jump that hurdle so I took another route.

My last point is that you get to experience all the races the way you like and play the game the way you like.  I chose Mithra because I liked Samurai so much that I didnt care what race I was. I love the Samurai job obviously and didnt care much about the race factor. I have played every race in this game and have experienced it the way I wanted to.

I never had to do the stupid RSE quest, cause my Mithra didnt need the gear. I didnt need to put the effort and that was important to me.

Dont take this the wrong way, I have no issues with you. You are probably a great player and love the game just as much as I. But do me a favor check the elitest attitude, just because you played one way doesnt mean others should. It didnt make you a better player nor did it make you a better person. You just played it differenly than everyone else. Thanks for your insight.

I'm not trying to be elitist, I even argue against elitist mentalities in at least half of the cases where gear or food is an issue before knowing how the party will fair, so I've always considered elitism to be about uber-gear & numbers. Admittedly, we Elvaan do have a bit of a superiority complex. ;p

Forgive my one-track mind & tunnel vision, but if you liked Samurai so much that race didn't matter, why wouldn't you pick your favorite race to begin with? Instead of being dedicated to SAM with your original race which you already invested enough time and effort to get to Lv.30 (meaning you will have leveled at least two subs before even unlocking SAM) you changed - because you missed. It sounds like you didn't even feel like trying. The RSE quest wasn't more than a day's work (getting rank 5 for the first time was harder) and I even did most of it on my own ~Lv.30 so I'm just asking why. It really doesn't make sense to me...

I knew a Manthra monk who's philosophy was "If you're going to be investing so much time into starinb at an avatar's butt it might as well be a cute one" but that's not why you chose it. I have an alt Mithra RDM but I have to make a "Manthra" comment in my bazaar and play on /anon or /away to deter those annoying cyber-loser furries. xD

Originally posted by Gameslave

Originally posted by Proximo521

I didnt complain about racial stats, I was suggesting that they do make a difference.

Nowhere did i say it would equal out. He did hit harder  for crit and ended up doing more damage on SC's, but on average I did more damage because I was able to hit more.

Yes I am admitting that I didnt do well as a Elvaan Samurai and moved on. I knew that I didnt want to jump that hurdle so I took another route.

My last point is that you get to experience all the races the way you like and play the game the way you like.  I chose Mithra because I liked Samurai so much that I didnt care what race I was. I love the Samurai job obviously and didnt care much about the race factor. I have played every race in this game and have experienced it the way I wanted to.

I never had to do the stupid RSE quest, cause my Mithra didnt need the gear. I didnt need to put the effort and that was important to me.

Dont take this the wrong way, I have no issues with you. You are probably a great player and love the game just as much as I. But do me a favor check the elitest attitude, just because you played one way doesnt mean others should. It didnt make you a better player nor did it make you a better person. You just played it differenly than everyone else. Thanks for your insight.

I'm not trying to be elitist, I even argue against elitist mentalities in at least half of the cases where gear or food is an issue before knowing how the party will fair, so I've always considered elitism to be about uber-gear & numbers. Admittedly, we Elvaan do have a bit of a superiority complex. ;p 

Fair enough, most Elvaans are enigmas in their own right! Hahaha! That was a good one.

Forgive my one-track mind & tunnel vision, but if you liked Samurai so much that race didn't matter, why wouldn't you pick your favorite race to begin with? Instead of being dedicated to SAM with your original race which you already invested enough time and effort to get to Lv.30 (meaning you will have leveled at least two subs before even unlocking SAM) you changed - because you missed. It sounds like you didn't even feel like trying. The RSE quest wasn't more than a day's work (getting rank 5 for the first time was harder) and I even did most of it on my own ~Lv.30 so I'm just asking why. It really doesn't make sense to me...

You know some of my own friends brought up that question to me. I actually quit the game for about 3 months after being frustrated with my ability to make money (which was nil)  and not willing to put the time in to get gear... At that time Square would not let you get your character back so I didnt (gone past the 3 month mark and would not recall characters, called customer service and they could not get my character back Deleted), I had to create a new one. So I came back with a new attitude. My friend Hason PL'd me Level (30) and I pushed through all the major parts of the game again. Choco license, Airship Pass, getting to Khazam, fame quests, Advanced job quests and gobbie bag. All done on my own and I felt a little refreshed. By that time I had found NM hunting and started to make my gil and used it to fuel my crafting. Once I was able to do that, no point in doing the RSE quest and again I was a Mithra so the stats were not needed.

To be honest, I grew up in Japan so the idea of Samurai was definitely glorified in my mind. I acutally was going for asthetics at that point, it was either Mithra or Taru (something about a taru with a Samurai sword reminded me of Yoda) for me. But, I just got done watching Kill Bill and thought damn what wouldnt be cooler than a Lady Samurai? Fittingly enough, named her Kiddo. Lol! She is still on FFXI ah I believe on the Remora Server. And that was my main reason for picking Mithra. I watched the movie and had a picture in my head and went with it. Also, I did it under the advice of some of my LS members. There was no rationale in my decision to quit playing Elvaan, that was primarily because of frustration! And frustration will make you do funny things. Figured a new start couldnt hurt and even though I would end up doing it all over, I figured why not... I planned on playing other races. In the end, my friends convinced me to come back and Im glad I did. I would have missed out on a great game! 

I knew a Manthra monk who's philosophy was "If you're going to be investing so much time into starinb at an avatar's butt it might as well be a cute one" but that's not why you chose it. I have an alt Mithra RDM but I have to make a "Manthra" comment in my bazaar and play on /anon or /away to deter those annoying cyber-loser furries. xD

I actually did get some of those, some even offered money (/em shakes with disgust). I actually got a funny story about that, I was somewhat new to the net talk if you will and when someone approached me with... Cyber? I had to ask my friends Hason & Kenada (both played FF in the same room as I). So I asked,  "What is Cyber?" and all they could do was laugh! I was a tad bit embarrassed once I found out what that meant and immediately felt dirty.... But you are right, posting that message in my bazaar definitely helped as it did deter some of the sickos away. lol!  What is really bad? When they dont care that you are a Manthra! GROOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSS!

 

One more thing that I forgot to mention was, FFXI was my very first MMO. I had played RPG's up to that point and so my experience was quite different from an RPG. I think for me at the time, was I didnt want to deal with this so im done. But I did have some fun initially. So with my friends hounding me to come back, I finally did. From that point everything was based on movies that I saw and wanted to model my Character after. I hope that clears it up, its a bit confusing and something you had to be around for, to understand. But in the end, I played the way I wanted and had a ton of fun doing it.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Galka BLM yes,please ? LOL  I think not and racial stats do matter a ton in this game but it shouldn't stop anyone from being creative. I always played the Hume race because we was always good at everything but not great at it.

I also found this article on Destructoid.

www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-xiv-screens-look-like-ff-xi-screens-143073.phtml

Thank you, Im glad im not the only on these forums that believes stats were a factor! I still speak to a lot of my friends from FFXI and they agree that stats is a factor. Wether they be racial or gear related. In either case, I think we are all in agreement no matter what factor stats play, you should definitely play the way you want. That was the lesson I learned after trying out the races. I have to say that Taru Taru was a blast to play! 

Thanks for information as well! I wonder I didnt hear any of that initially I wonder where they got it from.

nm

Gear and food made racial stats a non factor... but if you guy's still want to believe they were a factor... you very well entitled to your opinion. I've seen Galka Mages hold their own.. with Taru's... and Taru tank's that held up fine wit the big boy's. Mithra.. wasn't a really high STR race... but mine was hitting as hard... as the heavy swingers like Elvaans... and could miss as much... without the right Gear and food.

But hey... whatever... theres also alot of players, that will tell you what race you were was nothing more then how you looked.
 

Originally posted by DillingerEP

Gear and food made racial stats a non factor... but if you guy's still want to believe they were a factor... you very well entitled to your opinion. I've seen Galka Mages hold their own.. with Taru's... and Taru tank's that held up fine wit the big boy's. Mithra.. wasn't a really high STR race... but mine was hitting as hard... as the heavy swingers like Elvaans... and could miss as much... without the right Gear and food.

But hey... whatever... theres also alot of players, that will tell you what race you were was nothing more then how you looked.
 

QFT

hits the nail on the head.

Originally posted by SoulSurfer

Originally posted by DillingerEP

Gear and food made racial stats a non factor... but if you guy's still want to believe they were a factor... you very well entitled to your opinion. I've seen Galka Mages hold their own.. with Taru's... and Taru tank's that held up fine wit the big boy's. Mithra.. wasn't a really high STR race... but mine was hitting as hard... as the heavy swingers like Elvaans... and could miss as much... without the right Gear and food.

But hey... whatever... theres also alot of players, that will tell you what race you were was nothing more then how you looked.
 

 

QFT

hits the nail on the head.

 

Been my experience as well.

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Originally posted by SoulSurfer

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Originally posted by DillingerEP

Gear and food made racial stats a non factor... but if you guy's still want to believe they were a factor... you very well entitled to your opinion. I've seen Galka Mages hold their own.. with Taru's... and Taru tank's that held up fine wit the big boy's. Mithra.. wasn't a really high STR race... but mine was hitting as hard... as the heavy swingers like Elvaans... and could miss as much... without the right Gear and food.
But hey... whatever... theres also alot of players, that will tell you what race you were was nothing more then how you looked.
 

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QFT
hits the nail on the head.
 

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Comments for Ambrosia: Obtained From: Oblation Abjuration item creation.
Effects for Ambrosia:
HP +7
MP +7
Strength +7
Dexterity +7
Agility +7
Vitality +7
Intelligence +7
Mind +7
Charisma +7
HP Regeneration While Healing +7
MP Regeneration While Healing +7
Attack +7
Defense +7
Accuracy +7
Evasion +7

Man, I miss that game. Never should have stopped playing.