Originally posted by Bureyku

Originally posted by JGMIII

What changed? WoW on high graphical detail still looks nice and that china thing is about over so they will get those subs back.

I don't see Aion changing anything imo Aion is more pvp focused I havent seen anything to say aion could compete with WoWs Pve endgame. if I'm wrong show my some video of the endgame pve content.

 

How about the brand new patch that released in Korea 1.5, and that we launch with?  The one that added multiple end game PvE and PvPvE instances?  Some also have an arcade like replayability with group scores affecting the final boss and rewards.  Also many are from within fortresses that your faction must control in the Abyss.

The official trailer is here: www.youtube.com/watch

Thanks for the link.

Tbh i'm not hating on Aion I just dont know much about it.

I've seen alot of games say they will take WoWs subs and so far all we've seen are MMos that are niche (focus on a few mechanics). If you're going to beat WoW you will need a jack of all trades game and alot of cash behind you to get the word out.

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Drakkhen

Originally posted by Teala

The graphics are good in some areas, yes, but in others they lack polish and seem like they were done quickly and haphazzardly.    

The combat, though more in depth then say WoW, is still not much different and to be honest I feel WoW's is more fluid than what we see in Aion.  

The PvP part of the game got old really fast.   

Hahahahahahaha ... OMG Teala, I just shot coffee outta my nose!

All this from the girl who got all pie-eyed for Vanguard? I remember the "disagreements" we used to have over on the Vault boards ... those were the days ...

Anyway ...

AIONs character models do not look plastic, and the game is FAR more polished than Vanguard is. Also, I think it's safe to say that everything in Vanguard was thrown together haphazardly. As far as "Eve and WoW" ... you must of smoked yourself stupid if you think either of those games holds a candle graphically to AION.

Please, WoW more fluid? Put down the bong before the damage is permanent!

The pvp is much, much better than VGs, or WoWs pvp. And besides, you wouldn't know good pvp if it jumped up and kicked the bowl outta your mouth.

 

What?!  What?!  Vangaurd was good, until SOE came along.    I played that game for a year - I just knew SOE would screw it up.   As for EvE...back off!  EvE is awesome.   As for WoW...Aion is a WoW wannabe and fails meserably in so many ways.   I can list them all but it would be useless since people are blinded by the honeymoon syndrome.   We all know what that is and we're all guilty of it from time to time - even me.   So I'm just going to sit back and watch another Korean grinder come to the US and crash and burn.    Lineage 2 could have been awesome if they had made the game more for the NA and European market, and I'm going to say that about Aion as well.   Aion is(no matter what som of you say) just another Lineage game with a new name and a few changes - the grind is still there - they just try to hide it and failed.   Sorry.  

Aion's graphics are cool to some extent, because I like anime, but I do not like the way the characters run...I've always hated that(even in Lineage 2).   Plus all the flashy weapons effects(thank God WoW's are not so obnoxious).   OMG don't get me going.  

Drakkhen just stay away from me - k.   

 

A wow player accusing any game of being grindy is laughable at best. By making it more for the NA EU market  do you mean making it more like wow? Not every game is a wow wannabe. For gods sake woman where do you think wow got the idea for flying carpets, achievements and barber shops?   I would not be surprised to hear about elves and gnomes with wings with tne next xpac.

I don't care that WoW took the concept of flying carpets from EQ2 or where else they got stuff from.   I have a love hate relationship with WoW myself - but even I am not blind to the fact that Blizzard produced one awesome game.     So take that and smoke it in your pipe grandpa.   :)
 

Kinda like smoking isnt it? Makes you sick but you cant quit. Played wow  for a couple years myself then realized it wasnt fun just a habit i had gotten into.  Aion didnt make me quit wow but i do like the game so far.

Games don't claim to take subs, but fans do usually.  I don't know why.  Who the hell cares when your server holds like 10-15k players?  Sure there are 10.99 million other players playing the same game but you will never see them.  Just give me 1 full server 24/7 (would have to be multiregional like FFXI) and a game that isn't shallow that I can get lost in and i'll be happy.

Anyway you are right about one thing.  Aion is a PvPvE game and all servers are the same.  The mid to end game focuses heavily on fortress sieging and factional warfare in the World.  Now there is one instance where people can compete, but most of these instances are on timers so people don't get lost in them leaving little action in the real world.  They even increased these timers in testing.

That shows how different NCSoft's approach is from Blizzard's.  Blizzard does everything they can to take people out of the world and put them in instances while NCSoft tries to cater to both sides, but does what they can to keep people in the world fighting for their side.

This is the type of game I want to play.  No offense to Blizzard because they make killer games.  I just don't like WoW.  Love Diablo, Starcraft, etc.  I will buy their next MMO, and I will buy Diablo 3.  I just wouldn't consider playing WoW again once I realized what their goal was with the game and it's PvP systems.

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by illorion

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by illorion

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by illorion

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by illorion

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by tanoril

It's the same story all the time.  Some new game gets ready to be released and we start seeing articles on how great this new game is in beta and how it will be the WoW killer and me and my 100 guildmates are quitting WoW and joining 'new game'.  Then 6 months passes, the new game isn't so new anymore, there isn't as much content being added, it's not as much fun playing an alt, etc.  Meanwhile, Blizzard keeps on chugging along, Blizzcon or some other trade shows comes along and they tease with a new expansion.  Little by little that guy who moved over with his 100 guildmates starts to see less and less of his guild online.  Then Blizzard releases a major patch prior to the expansion, more guildies start coming back.  Then the expansion is launched and what was once 100 guildmates is now 10-15 (you know, those that are the hardcore PvP'ers).

It amazes me that there are people to come to this website still being delusional that somehow, someway it will be different this time.  And that you can make that determination by just playing the beta.  Never played the end-game, where a successfull game retains a majority of it's players.  We saw this with WAR (remember, that was supposed to be THE GAME, you know, because it's Warhammer).  We saw it with AoC (forgetting it was Funcom running the game).  Now we see it with Aion.  I'm sure we'll see it Star Wars whenever Bioware gets around to releasing it. 

I'm happy the OP likes Aion.  I'm not surprised that he's bored with WoW, most are.  But lets not kid ourselves.  It's just temporary.  It's ALWAYS temporary.  It's been temporary for 5 years now.  It's going to continue to be temporary for the forseeable future.  The haters don't want to hear that.  They want a replacement NOW.  That fine.  Good luck with your replacement.  When Emerald Dream launches with new races, a new continent and a bunch of other stuff, I'm sure Blizzard will welcome you (and your subscription dollars) back.  Remember, it's not personal.

The OP isn;t saying the game will kill WoW.

He's just saying Aion is a much better game for him and tbh WAR is a better game than WoW.

If they got rid of the shitty stability issues the game would be fantastic, it has better classes, better instanced pvp and better world pvp and the quests are similar and graphics are better.

Nothing is going to kill wow, we all know the average sub for every MMO is around 150k and thats where every game falls with the exception of FFXI and Eve (300-400k subs).

Alot of the games people called "wow killer" are actually alot better than world of warcraft its just these games are a niche and not a jack of all trades that appeals to non-gamers.

 

niche game is a nice way of saying that the developers were too poor or too lazy to implement more than few interesting game mechanics. For instance u have eve, the developers just put in more zones with a copy paste backround and call in content. If they took some time and money and put in some immersions it would be alot better. The same things is with aion. They took the face maker from oblivion and the graphics design of fable, and then they made a crappy world full of invisible walls and blured light effects. Its not even open world. Have you seen the starting area or played through it? Its a long S shaped path and when you make it to the end of it you get your wings. You wanna fly from the starting area over the mountains to some other area... well guess what u cant cause there is a huge invisible wall over the mountains and u can only fly for a minute. This game is far more theme park like and linear than wow ever thought about being. At least in wow if wanna climb the mountains in crossroads and jump to your death in duskwallow marsh you are free to do so. In aion u can even jump over some step rails.
 

not to mention that u cant swim and the youngest male voice is done but the guy that did prince zuko of avatar the last airbender.(both of these really get me)

 

Copy and pasting content? you play WoW and you say eves developers copy and paste content? how many times have you fought the same mob skin over and over again? how many lame dungeons will blizzard release with reused raid strats?

LOL I don;t even care for Aion tbh, What i can relate to is the OPs dislike for WoW wich I totally agree with.

And no niche isnt a cop out, Certain developers want to make a pvp focused game or a crafting heavy game or a game with freedom and exploration. Not every game wants to be average like WoW in every way.

Jack of all trades may get more subs but sooner or later players that like pvp more will leave and players that like crafting or raid content more will leave since WoW is average in all areas.

Sorry but games like DAoc, WAR and AOC have better pvp. Games like EQ2, Lotro and others have better pve and games like Vanguard have much better crafting systems. when you decide to focus on a few mechanics and make a niche MMO its not a cop out.

War, DAoc, and AOC have crappy pvp and the only time it starts to get good the game lags like it just had hip replacement. I played an EQ2 trial once and it sucked. I tryed Lotro and i found myself feeling a little gayer for having thrown my hat in with that fellowship hobbit crap.( oooo look at my scary furry little feet) and vangaurd is worst running game out of all of them, It has great potential except when you have to run into a door like 10 times to get it to open

You just called being into Lord of the rings Gay one of the greatest freaking Fantasy novels of all time yet its not gay to play WoW with little hoppity elves and gnomes?

Sorry but your crazy if you think WoWs Esport is better than DAoc or even WAAR. i may agree with AoC and its shitty preformance though but at its core the combat is much better.

Edit: as for WAR it kicks WoWs ass in Instanced and world pvp so i dont know how its better. You like arenas or something? play Guildwars that game owns wows pvp also.

 

i dont play alliance in Wow cause it ya know gives you a choice whether to run around looking like a fag or not. I played DAoc back in its prime i remeber the castle vs castle mega zergs where you captured your opponents castle by bringing shere numbers and lagging them out i did play a WAR trial and it looked and ran like crap and Guildwars isnt an mmo is just a multiplayer game that looks like and mmo

Because you play Horde you call people that like Lotro Gay? you're a messed up dude. you dont happen to live in the South US or one of the middles states do you?

Also sorry but Horde has little hopity elves also.

 

i never said those exact words.. i never said people that play lotro were gay ( sounds like some kinda guily conscience to me) all i said was that i felt gay playing it. None of the race or classes make me feel powerful, they make me feel like a gay little hobbit bandit or some crap. At least with wow if u dont want to be a human, gay elf, faggy dwarf, or pussy halfling, u can be a tauren or undead or an orc or something

and no DAoc didnt have a better pvp system. cause it didt work. if a car came out that had some great new designs on it that didnt work would you still say it was a good car. no dummy its a piece of crap that shakes like a black girl booty when you get over 55mph and so did Daoc

 

It's freaking lord of the rings!!!! your not supposed to feel all powerful your power comes in the form of your group or fellowship!!!

Seriously how does a game make you feel gay? i still think your messed up. You act like being gay is a bad thing or something live in the 2000's buddy.

was gone for a while now im back... that why lotro should never have been anything more than a console game and yes being gay is a bad thing cause if u take it in the ass for long enough then you leak poo out your hole for the rest of your life and have to wear a butt plug all the time... look it up

Originally posted by JGMIII 

Tbh i'm not hating on Aion I just dont know much about it.

I've seen alot of games say they will take WoWs subs and so far all we've seen are MMos that are niche (focus on a few mechanics). If you're going to beat WoW you will need a jack of all trades game and alot of cash behind you to get the word out.

They do not have to beat WoW. I personally have not seen them say that. Some player have, but aren't those people taunting every MMO that comes out? Just ignore the ignorant and make a judgement by yourself. Heck, even wait for official reviews to come out rather than listen people only on forums.

Aion has quite different end-game spectrum to WoW. It will appeal to different type of players and will most likely be a niche game. That does not mean that it cannot have a solid subscriber base in EU/NA - like 300-500k (and I am being generous here). It probably only needs 100-150k in EU/NA.

Two main things about Aion is that it is fresh and the core concept of gameplay that is build around PvPvE. None of us know whether it will have the pulling power to keep people playing for many years, but at least it is most exciting title coming any time soon.

Originally posted by illorion

 

was gone for a while now im back... that why lotro should never have been anything more than a console game and yes being gay is a bad thing cause if u take it in the ass for long enough then you leak poo out your hole for the rest of your life and have to wear a butt plug all the time... look it up

LOL thats some funny shit dude. You made me spit water on my screen LOL!

Gay stuff aside I think its ok that your not this OP hero In Lotro and apart of something bigger.

We have enough games that let you do that already. I'm sure you will agree variety in the genre is good even if you disliked Lotro.

@thexrated spot on.

I just hope for entertainment until Final Fantasy XIV... or Diablo 3.. at least Dragon Age Origins.  I think the end game is dynamic enough to keep people interested for quite a long time though.

If you look at the rate which they are releasing free major patches it is quite impressive.  Since they release solid games like Blizzard they can build on them with content and expansion instead of fixing crap for the first year.

Originally posted by Bureyku

@thexrated spot on.

I just hope for entertainment until Final Fantasy XIV... or Diablo 3.. at least Dragon Age Origins.  I think the end game is dynamic enough to keep people interested for quite a long time though.

If you look at the rate which they are releasing free major patches it is quite impressive.  Since they release solid games like Blizzard they can build on them with content and expansion instead of fixing crap for the first year.

Yeah Diablo 3 is a must have for me. I like the idea of Dragonage but im scared it will be a console to PC port. Hope not but after the buggy PC version of Mass Effect im a bit gunshy.

Originally posted by illorion

was gone for a while now im back... that why lotro should never have been anything more than a console game and yes being gay is a bad thing cause if u take it in the ass for long enough then you leak poo out your hole for the rest of your life and have to wear a butt plug all the time... look it up

LOLOL.  Rarely has someone made me "lol" here on this mainstream site.  What's so funny about it is he posted it on mmorpg.com-- PC central and always being banned for less.  Props dude.  "... look it up"  LOL

Gotta stop with the 14 page quotes.  My brain melting...

Originally posted by illorion

was gone for a while now im back... that why lotro should never have been anything more than a console game and yes being gay is a bad thing cause if u take it in the ass for long enough then you leak poo out your hole for the rest of your life and have to wear a butt plug all the time... look it up

Wow are you retarded? I guess you didn't do it right.

Originally posted by sweetdreams

Originally posted by illorion

was gone for a while now im back... that why lotro should never have been anything more than a console game and yes being gay is a bad thing cause if u take it in the ass for long enough then you leak poo out your hole for the rest of your life and have to wear a butt plug all the time... look it up

 

Wow are you retarded? I guess you didn't do it right.

I followed his advice and looked it up.  By jove he's right! 

"Moreover, the 'sexperts' warn that the practice also leads to fecal incontinence - loss of normal control of the sphincter muscles which leads to stool leaking from the rectum at unexpected times."

Source: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/feb/06021403.html

Originally posted by supbro

Aion is the new king on the MMO throne.

LMAO.  Funniest thing I've read in a LONG time, lol.

Originally posted by greymann

Originally posted by sweetdreams

Originally posted by illorion

was gone for a while now im back... that why lotro should never have been anything more than a console game and yes being gay is a bad thing cause if u take it in the ass for long enough then you leak poo out your hole for the rest of your life and have to wear a butt plug all the time... look it up

 

Wow are you retarded? I guess you didn't do it right.

 

I followed his advice and looked it up.  By jove he's right! 

"Moreover, the 'sexperts' warn that the practice also leads to fecal incontinence - loss of normal control of the sphincter muscles which leads to stool leaking from the rectum at unexpected times."

Source: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/feb/06021403.html

Haa haa. Well the guy did have his facts right but he needs to work on his delivery a bit.

Originally posted by drarkanex

I played Aion for a few hours... sure it's pretty, but it's not a WoW killer.  All of you leaving WoW for Aion will be back to WoW in a month or two.  I really doubt that any Korean Playstyle game can kill the WoW Behemoth.  I chuckle on articles like this comparing "   *   " to WoW and then kicking WoW in the teeth, and then a month later WoW is still on top.  I fell for the Age of Conan Failtrain, and i'm not about to fall for another fail again..  Cheers.

BTW, I'm not dissing Aion, it's a beautiful game from what i've seen and i'm sure it's gonna amass about 200,000 faithful followers but to say WoW is failing and Aion will take it's place is a HUGE overstatement.

We all know WoW can't be killed by an MMO now. Hell a year ago we knew that. To bring up the term 'wow-killer' anymore is dumb, unless we're talking about technology.

But a lot of us on this forum are ex-WoW players. Not ALL, but a lot of us. We won't go back to wow, because we accept that it's boring to us, we want something fresh, which is what Aion represents right now.

To be arrogant and declare that we will return to wow after a few months on Aion shows how blind you are to the passion true gamers have.

A true dedicated gamer does not stick it out with a game that does not satisfy their gaming needs anymore.  WoW lost it's luster MANY months ago, subjectively speaking though, since the luster was lost for some people years ago, and for me only 6-8 months ago.

So here we are, talking about a new game with a lot of potential.  Yes, we bring up the overly-compared WoW mmo, since it is the MMo that people tend to relate to (too much time played w/ it I guess). 

A lot of people even state "wow is failing". I wouldn't use 'fail' as the word of choice, but it's definitly on the decline with veteran players. The problem is that it has TOO many players that it would take 2-3 years at a steady decline to see the difference in population numbers.  Another problem is that at the same rate older players are leaving, newer players are only starting to play because they finally got their own computer or for other reasons they're just begining to play. So really, WoW, over the next 2 or so odd years will probably stay around the 11-13 million subscriber mark. 

The biggest 'failure' that people are talking about is not the player base, not even close.  It's the content. Vanilla wow was great. Tbc was ok, mostly because it was a huge shake up. But WOTLK did not provide the same kind of shake up TBC did compared with original WoW. So they copied and pasted TBC into WOTLK. A huge content failure with the veterans EVEN with TBC babies.  Blizzards biggest success in WoTLK was Ulduar25 hard modes.  HARD MODES, not just going through 25 man doing the bosses normally. But that was it. Even OS25 3D wasn't a big deal. Hell, even some ULD25 hard modes are not a big deal. From what I see of 3.2, Arthas is going to be a breeze if the difficulties don't increase.

So here we are, ex-mmo players of different games, some of us playing mutliple MMO's, and many coming from just WoW, all desiring a new, exciting game filled with new content, new style of play, and a new community to get involved with. Aion is a chance at that.

So if people are butt hurt that WoW is no longer getting praised with song and dance from the MMO community like it used to, get over it, we did.

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by laephis

Originally posted by Oyjord

Honestly, the only people who are allowed to like Aion are 15 yr old girls.  It's so amazingly "Asian-trite" as I like to call it.  If you like it, and you're not a 15 yr old girl, well, sorry, you have issues.

 

Oh look, another internet Tough Guy with his sexual identity wrapped up in a video game.   What a petty, shallow way of viewing the world. 

I dont understand it myself. I think games like Aion, Lineage 2 and GW along with a lot of FTP games have a very fresh art look compared to  the "realistic" art we have seen so much of. I guess not all of us are insecure about our masculinity.  I mean, look at my profile pic.  :)

Yea but I find it creepy that an old man is into anime...........
 

How do you know im an old man? Perhaps am a young nubile asian girl?

 

Why is it strange for an old man to be into anime?

For god sake, a comment like that could only come from an american.... i know that from your point of view an old man should be into drinking bear and get fat in front of the tv watching football, but that is only in america, the rest of the civilized world is way beyond it now

Well im an american and used to like my beer (diabetes stopped that :(   but i do like the anime art style. Hell im so old i remember the original astro boy.  Never cared much for football though.  Ive tried a few FTP games due to liking the art and while i dont really call Aion, anime i do like the asian influence.

i use to watch the original astro boy  damn i loved that show as a kid it was so bad ass

Originally posted by twiggly

Originally posted by drarkanex

I played Aion for a few hours... sure it's pretty, but it's not a WoW killer.  All of you leaving WoW for Aion will be back to WoW in a month or two.  I really doubt that any Korean Playstyle game can kill the WoW Behemoth.  I chuckle on articles like this comparing "   *   " to WoW and then kicking WoW in the teeth, and then a month later WoW is still on top.  I fell for the Age of Conan Failtrain, and i'm not about to fall for another fail again..  Cheers.

BTW, I'm not dissing Aion, it's a beautiful game from what i've seen and i'm sure it's gonna amass about 200,000 faithful followers but to say WoW is failing and Aion will take it's place is a HUGE overstatement.

 

We all know WoW can't be killed by an MMO now. Hell a year ago we knew that. To bring up the term 'wow-killer' anymore is dumb, unless we're talking about technology.

But a lot of us on this forum are ex-WoW players. Not ALL, but a lot of us. We won't go back to wow, because we accept that it's boring to us, we want something fresh, which is what Aion represents right now.

To be arrogant and declare that we will return to wow after a few months on Aion shows how blind you are to the passion true gamers have.

A true dedicated gamer does not stick it out with a game that does not satisfy their gaming needs anymore.  WoW lost it's luster MANY months ago, subjectively speaking though, since the luster was lost for some people years ago, and for me only 6-8 months ago.

So here we are, talking about a new game with a lot of potential.  Yes, we bring up the overly-compared WoW mmo, since it is the MMo that people tend to relate to (too much time played w/ it I guess). 

A lot of people even state "wow is failing". I wouldn't use 'fail' as the word of choice, but it's definitly on the decline with veteran players. The problem is that it has TOO many players that it would take 2-3 years at a steady decline to see the difference in population numbers.  Another problem is that at the same rate older players are leaving, newer players are only starting to play because they finally got their own computer or for other reasons they're just begining to play. So really, WoW, over the next 2 or so odd years will probably stay around the 11-13 million subscriber mark. 

The biggest 'failure' that people are talking about is not the player base, not even close.  It's the content. Vanilla wow was great. Tbc was ok, mostly because it was a huge shake up. But WOTLK did not provide the same kind of shake up TBC did compared with original WoW. So they copied and pasted TBC into WOTLK. A huge content failure with the veterans EVEN with TBC babies.  Blizzards biggest success in WoTLK was Ulduar25 hard modes.  HARD MODES, not just going through 25 man doing the bosses normally. But that was it. Even OS25 3D wasn't a big deal. Hell, even some ULD25 hard modes are not a big deal. From what I see of 3.2, Arthas is going to be a breeze if the difficulties don't increase.

So here we are, ex-mmo players of different games, some of us playing mutliple MMO's, and many coming from just WoW, all desiring a new, exciting game filled with new content, new style of play, and a new community to get involved with. Aion is a chance at that.

So if people are butt hurt that WoW is no longer getting praised with song and dance from the MMO community like it used to, get over it, we did.

People aren't butt hurt over others wanting to play another game, they are just tired of everyone for years constantly trashing WoW/Blizzard.  It's really sad people have to trash another game, just to justify playing a new one.

Perhaps when others stop bashing WoW every chance they get, you won't see people coming around to defend the game?

We all know all these years later people are finally burnt out on WoW, why can't you all just move to another game without bashing WoW?

I played WAR, bought a CE and everything, the game was fun for what it was, i stop playing it a month later.  I don't bash the game into the ground to justify going to another game or back to WoW.   

Originally posted by Doctor_Doom

People aren't butt hurt over others wanting to play another game, they are just tired of everyone for years constantly trashing WoW/Blizzard.  It's really sad people have to trash another game, just to justify playing a new one.

Perhaps when others stop bashing WoW every chance they get, you won't see people coming around to defend the game?

We all know all these years later people are finally burnt out on WoW, why can't you all just move to another game without bashing WoW?

I played WAR, bought a CE and everything, the game was fun for what it was, i stop playing it a month later.  I don't bash the game into the ground to justify going to another game or back to WoW.   

You don't go into another games forum expecting most people to be encouraging another. In fact, if there wasn't any wow or war or any other MMO bashing, I wouldn't play the game. Albeit there's a point where passion can turn into OCD over a certain game(most people call them fan boys).

The point is, if you hate Aion, or don't plan on playing it, don't start the hate on others for listing reasons why Aion will be better then their previous mmo.  Because that's what a 'wow bash' basically is.

Also, Aion fans shouldn't be putting the hate-on for wow lovers that want to stick their foot in the Aion doorway lol (although they are KIND OF asking for it).

Originally posted by Ilgauskas

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by coffee

Nicely written article, at last someone who can put his point across with out resorting to "wow sux, aion rox".

I have played AION beta (to level 10) and I was not impressed. same old same old. The fact I hate Asia style gfx does not help.

I hope AION does well so people will lay off the WoW basing. Go AION for that reason alone.

AION is a new game, same old mechanics (with gimiky wings) but new, Id be more interested if the OP and the fan boys feel the same about AION a month after release.

 

I don't agree on the "nicely written" part brother.
 

here is the OP's extract on WOW :

WoW's PvP system has degenerated to arenas. World PvP was too hard for Blizzard, so they got rid of it. Wintergrasp was too hard for Blizzard, so they got rid of it. Battlegrounds were to fun for Blizzard (WSG and AV anyway), so they took all the fun out of those. Battlegrounds were originally a place for enjoyable PvP, but were then turned into just another part of the grind. Blizzard turning their PvP system into a quality e-sport has ruined large scale PvP battles. They did succeed at making an e-sport, to a point. While anyone can watch an FPS tournament and know what is going on, watching a WoW tournament takes some serious knowledge about the game. It succeeded, but it still ruined WoW PvP.

The day patch 3.2 comes out - rather very good and even game altering PvP patch - it is the typical Wow trolling content we always see at our doorstep.

Supported by that dreadful Chief editor of mmorpg.com with such words as "sexy" shows it all.

Stradden was the man who found Warhammer "a very good game" btw. Remember?

Same hype same tasteless pushing of duds ...

In fact they just don't realise it ... they push WOW even to bigger heights with promoting these kind of bad copycats.

Stating that LAke Wintergrasp is ... 'get rid of it". LW is for certain the MOST and VASTLY played PvP zone in ANY MMORPG world wide.

How pathetic.

 

Zorndorf, let me ask you something, do you have a right to bash editors of the website? Actually, it's quite unprofessional behavior from you. Their opinion doesn't have to match with your one. Good/bad is a point of view and if you love wow and hate other games accusing them of being copycats or something that doesn't mean everyone else should do the same.



By saying that Blizzard is getting rid of Lake Wintergrasp, OP most likely wants to say that Blizzard put the limits 120 v 120. What do you mean by telling that "LW is for certain the MOST and VASTLY played PVP zone in any MMORPG?" Are you serious? Have you seen sieges of Lineage 2 in Korea where ~500-700 players fight for castles. Let's look at eve. Lots LOTS of ships. Not the set number of 240.


By the way. Tell me, how patch 3.2 is going to alter the game's PVP system. Is it going to revive world PvP? Is it going to give the meaning for pointless battleground and arena fights?


And finally I'm not a AION fanboy. To be honest, I think it will flop in US due to poor management. That thing killed L2 in the west too.

  I love the fact that you mentioned Eve Online. 500-700 HA  try again try 2000-3000+++  So many that it crashes the node. Most battles are small skirmishes/hit and run 5v5 10v10 30v30. But when you add 500 diffrent fights of 30v30 etc.. it adds up. Once or twice a month the average player who isnt a carebare(eve term for non pvp players) will see a really nasty fight off a couple hundred ships on each side. And atleast a couple times a year you will see fight of thousands of ship on each side.  Eve is the KING OF THE SANDBOX. Everygame should be sandbox. Not this  of sorry buddy im already on this server not that one. 300000 paying suscribers all on the same server all fighting(except gay carebares)for supremecy. Corporation(guilds in eve are companies) get so big that they have sub guilds for new players/to prevent corporate spies. Get this one  if you play enough make enough ingame money you can pay for the game with it.

PS. If you think most ppl use ingame money to pay the game  i've checked the numbers and the 300000 counts only the paying suscribers  not the guy who pay with ingame money everymonth. Which isnt an easy task. Real time training  Booyah

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by tanoril

But that's the thing, WAR is not better than Wow, not when you compare the entire package.  Does it do PvP better than WoW.  Yes it does.  But as a whole it doesn't do a whole lot of other things better than WoW.  See here is the problem and this applies to the OP.  He says he's been playing WoW for 3+ years.  Well when you been playing something for that long, you get used to the way things are in that game and expect that some type of polish in the next game.  You expect the game to not be a grind because it never felt like a grind in WoW.  If it did you wouldn't have played WoW for 3+ years.

My point is how does the OP make the determination that Aion is a better game than WoW when he's only played the beta?  He played and (obviously) enjoyed WoW for 3+ years and all of a sudden a game with flashy graphics is going to be the end all because he played it on a weekend?  What happens when he gets into the meat of the game in Aion and realizes that there isn't much more substance to what he saw in the beta?  What happens when he's 6 months into Aion and realizes that PvP in the Abyss is boring as hell since it's the same crap over and over?  Maybe that won't happen, but it usually does because we've seen it now with every other game that has launched since WoW launched.

 

 

Of course,

What you wrote Sir is about the exact synthesis of what makes Blizzard having 60% of the marketshare with western subs based MMO's (not even talking about the inflated almost free to play internet café numbers on that strange planet called China).

The so called WOW competitors are making it Blizzard SOOOOO easy to maintain momentum.

It is as if these guys are PAID by Blizzard to push the duds over to the players one by one.

And in fact it gets ... worse and worse.

Instead of opening up NEW MMO games, they make exact copies of the perfect game that is already being made for >5 years.

Every single person that plays WOW KNOWS what the best game is out there.

The rest is peanuts. We are talking of 0.1 to 1.3% of WOW markets.

And still people (like the OP) think they could be taken seriously.

Comon guys: stop fooling yourlselves: YOU ALL play WOW and stop being frustrated by it.

It is the best you can get. Period.

Or ... is there somebody else hiding in the closet BETTER and with MORE money than Blizzard. Of course not.

 

  WOW Maybe the best thing out there but it shouldnt be. It sucks other games have done the same thing as WOW but better in one aspect or another. The WOW killer has yet to come because no one has taken WOW and made every part of it way better. WOW is a jack of all trades. Hence the only game that can KILL THE BITCH is a better JACK OF ALL TRADES. The WOW KILLER will have better Esport/World PVP/PVE/PVPVE/ETC..... I played wow for all of 6 months maxed out 2 character and was so bored just because i couldnt find anything better.  What i dont understand is why this is still being mentioned. He said he was bored of WOW. Aion may not be the perma solution its just  his next stop till something better comes along hopefully.

WOW is CRACK with great advertising. Just like IPOD its not the best in any aspect. Many other MP3 players have better sound quality/headphones/batery life etc... Just no one has put the whole package together. When it happens IPOD AND WOW WILL DIE FASTER THAN IT IS NOW.