Patience Padawan.

Originally posted by tillamook

Originally posted by Darth_Osor

I hope this trickle of news helps some people finally realize the game isn't coming out this year.

 

Actually it was planed for launch this Fall; this was the plan when they started talking about making an MMO, and this was the plan when they announced it last Oct. But then BioWare bought themselves another year for the project to do full VO, and do some polish.

I imagine by this time next year some may be entering the beta test for TOR. As for the slow trickle of news, they are doing what most companies do and holding back to release stuff at events. You could say the summer was slow, yet news heavy. They have really shown some big things the last few months.
 

Source?  There was never an announced date.  I saw some "insider" talking about the game in 2007 that said this year some time, but that is meaningless.

Regardless, thinking back in Oct '08 the game would release late this year was at least somewhat understandable, but thinking the game is still coming out this year is pretty delusional, and there seems to be quite a few of those folks on the official forum.

Originally posted by Darth_Osor

Originally posted by tillamook

Originally posted by Darth_Osor

I hope this trickle of news helps some people finally realize the game isn't coming out this year.

 

Actually it was planed for launch this Fall; this was the plan when they started talking about making an MMO, and this was the plan when they announced it last Oct. But then BioWare bought themselves another year for the project to do full VO, and do some polish.

I imagine by this time next year some may be entering the beta test for TOR. As for the slow trickle of news, they are doing what most companies do and holding back to release stuff at events. You could say the summer was slow, yet news heavy. They have really shown some big things the last few months.
 

 

Source?  There was never an announced date.  I saw some "insider" talking about the game in 2007 that said this year some time, but that is meaningless.

Regardless, thinking back in Oct '08 the game would release late this year was at least somewhat understandable, but thinking the game is still coming out this year is pretty delusional, and there seems to be quite a few of those folks on the official forum.

It wasn’t just some “insider” It was said by Lucas Arts, as well as BioWare. Gordon Walton also said it himself. It was really a lose plan though. The thing is BioWare has been given a bit of creative freedom, and no concrete time limits from Lucas Arts since Darrell Rodriguez took over and Jim Ward (The Warden) took his leave. It’s part of a new Lucas Arts image revamp, no longer is it all about quantity, Its’ about quality (or so they hope)

The game will be done when it’s done, they still have a timeline, but if it means shoving it out the door unfinished, the quality aspect comes first. They have fear of this game suffering the same fate as SWG. No one wants that again.
 

Hm, tbh I have little hope that SWTOR will be anything but another highly specialized MMO, like WAR, CO or PotBS or the like. It will have a cool story, alright, play it once, play it twice and then be done. My exitement has quite cooled down. All I see is a narrow story-driven single player game with mild multi options, people hook nosed through easy pathways. I just don't see anything I connect with a MMO. People who hide stuff usually have something to hide.

*hand wave* Move along.. this isnt the killer MMO you seek.

Originally posted by Elikal

Hm, tbh I have little hope that SWTOR will be anything but another highly specialized MMO, like WAR, CO or PotBS or the like. It will have a cool story, alright, play it once, play it twice and then be done. My exitement has quite cooled down. All I see is a narrow story-driven single player game with mild multi options, people hook nosed through easy pathways. I just don't see anything I connect with a MMO. People who hide stuff usually have something to hide.

*hand wave* Move along.. this isnt the killer MMO you seek.

I think that's spot on.

There will be PVP but it will be in discreet areas and dungeons that have nothing to do with the 'story' - much like City of Heores/Villains.

There may be an auction house, as promised, but almost certainly there will not be a player-based economy. The auctiopn house will just be for selling loot.

I think SWTOR will be subscription-based but every three months or so we will have to pay for a new 'chapter'. just as currently happens with Oblivion or Fallout.

I also think that EA will insist that Bioware introduce an RMT store. We will be told that the items it contains can be duplicated in game or else are not 'ncessary' to the game but, in the event, neither statement will be practically true.

This week's update is a Smuggler developer blog.

Don't get too excited.

Originally posted by Elikal

Hm, tbh I have little hope that SWTOR will be anything but another highly specialized MMO, like WAR, CO or PotBS or the like. It will have a cool story, alright, play it once, play it twice and then be done. My exitement has quite cooled down. All I see is a narrow story-driven single player game with mild multi options, people hook nosed through easy pathways. I just don't see anything I connect with a MMO. People who hide stuff usually have something to hide.

*hand wave* Move along.. this isnt the killer MMO you seek.

I think it will be a decent and quality casual play MMO that allows you to play by yourself, or with your guild or friends (like they said). Some content I imagine will have minimum player lockout (raids) PvP you can't play by yourself. I imagine it'll do just as well as a game like Guild Wars. It might NOT be your game, but millions upon millions of people enjoy it, including a shit load of people from my SWG server who left after the NGE because PvP sucked.

I have no problem with TOR being a casual game to get lost in for brief periods of time. I don't have as much free time to waste in hardcore grindy games these days like I did when I played SWG pre-cu years ago, and I think many others feel the same way, hence why casual games do so much better then hardcore ruleset games like UO, and pre-cu SWG.

So while it may not be the game for you, others would say differently. Hence why if you even mention SWG over there you get lynched by the fanboi mob over there. SWTOR isn't just a game for SWG vets.

Originally posted by tillamook

Originally posted by Elikal

Hm, tbh I have little hope that SWTOR will be anything but another highly specialized MMO, like WAR, CO or PotBS or the like. It will have a cool story, alright, play it once, play it twice and then be done. My exitement has quite cooled down. All I see is a narrow story-driven single player game with mild multi options, people hook nosed through easy pathways. I just don't see anything I connect with a MMO. People who hide stuff usually have something to hide.

*hand wave* Move along.. this isnt the killer MMO you seek.

I think it will be a decent and quality casual play MMO that allows you to play by yourself, or with your guild or friends (like they said). Some content I imagine will have minimum player lockout (raids) PvP you can't play by yourself. I imagine it'll do just as well as a game like Guild Wars. It might NOT be your game, but millions upon millions of people enjoy it, including a shit load of people from my SWG server who left after the NGE because PvP sucked.

I have no problem with TOR being a casual game to get lost in for brief periods of time. I don't have as much free time to waste in hardcore grindy games these days like I did when I played SWG pre-cu years ago, and I think many others feel the same way, hence why casual games do so much better then hardcore ruleset games like UO, and pre-cu SWG.

So while it may not be the game for you, others would say differently. Hence why if you even mention SWG over there you get lynched by the fanboi mob over there. SWTOR isn't just a game for SWG vets.

 

I will be totally honest. I LOVED SWG. It was the MMO of my life, despite all the flaws, and even after NGE. No. 2 was EQ2. I played both 4-5 years, and only stopped because I had seen the same olde same olde long enough by then. I love worlds to roam and open worlds to share with lotsa people. I LOVED those vast open SWG planets, where you could fly miles and miles with your speeder and meet nobody in that vast wilderness.

Not like such cramped, tiny, themepark spaces like WAR and such. It remains my role model for a MMO. I admit.

Generally, I can imagine myself enjoying a story driven MMO for one run through. Or two. I loved the LOTRO books for the drama and story, but I cant see myself play that story more than once or twice, and sorry to be skeptic, but I see all SOLO PLAY written in huge letters, and I love grouping. I always enjoyed team work and shared experience, and rather did something arbitrary TOGETHER than even saving the galaxy, but all alone.  Whats it good for, when no one is there to share? I dont understand this solo hype at all! I am sure it will be a great story to play through once. No doubt here. But then what? Sure, you can see it from other angles, but havent we all our class and concept we all feel is more close than playing every other just to see more angles of the same story? I dunno.

They said in some interviews, NO QUEST of your class is the same like another. Which means, the only grouping is helping another guy's story. Which means, given the way dialogue apparently runs that everyone has a say in it, NOBODY is EVER going to take anyone else along, because it would risk he ruins your story, because he shoots the guy when you wanted him to live. Which means yes we CAN group, but no one will. End of story.

And all that secrecy has for me a bizarre and juvenile aura, like the Emperors New Clothes. Dunno if you are familiar with that tale. It is about an Emperor who has new clothes, but in fact he is naked, and all his subject applaud to him just pretending to see it, because the tailor said "only wise people would see them", and of course no one want to seem foolish, until that girl yells out that the Emperor is naked. Maybe there IS nothing much to say about the non story parts, and thats the reason we hear nothing?

Almost all over specialized MMOs have failed or at best stayed in a niche. To be blunt, I wouldnt even be surprised if SWTOR went the way of Gods and Heroes. They just seem to be way to fixated in their ridig thinking, that everyone wants a handhold, narrow, themepark, easy-game, and one day when they realize what they have done, it may be the end of it. I really HOPE I am mistaken. But atm for me it all smells like scam big time. Sorry for being the spoilsport.

Originally posted by tillamook

Originally posted by Elikal

Hm, tbh I have little hope that SWTOR will be anything but another highly specialized MMO, like WAR, CO or PotBS or the like. It will have a cool story, alright, play it once, play it twice and then be done. My exitement has quite cooled down. All I see is a narrow story-driven single player game with mild multi options, people hook nosed through easy pathways. I just don't see anything I connect with a MMO. People who hide stuff usually have something to hide.

*hand wave* Move along.. this isnt the killer MMO you seek.

I think it will be a decent and quality casual play MMO that allows you to play by yourself, or with your guild or friends (like they said). Some content I imagine will have minimum player lockout (raids) PvP you can't play by yourself. I imagine it'll do just as well as a game like Guild Wars. It might NOT be your game, but millions upon millions of people enjoy it, including a shit load of people from my SWG server who left after the NGE because PvP sucked.

I have no problem with TOR being a casual game to get lost in for brief periods of time. I don't have as much free time to waste in hardcore grindy games these days like I did when I played SWG pre-cu years ago, and I think many others feel the same way, hence why casual games do so much better then hardcore ruleset games like UO, and pre-cu SWG.

So while it may not be the game for you, others would say differently. Hence why if you even mention SWG over there you get lynched by the fanboi mob over there. SWTOR isn't just a game for SWG vets.

 

Very nice comment - spot on.

One point thought. You say 'SWTOR just isn't a game for SWG vets'. I wouldn't say that. It gives the impression that SWG vets can't enjoy other types of game.

I'm a SWG vet and though I would havbe loved to see a SWG sandbox with space flight, a persistent open landscape and an player-run economy, SWTOR obviously isn't that game. But that doesn't mean I won't enjoy it - as I enjoyed CoX and WoW, both good games but which are now SWG.

This is the way these games work. Chill.

Originally posted by tillamook

Originally posted by Elikal

Hm, tbh I have little hope that SWTOR will be anything but another highly specialized MMO, like WAR, CO or PotBS or the like. It will have a cool story, alright, play it once, play it twice and then be done. My exitement has quite cooled down. All I see is a narrow story-driven single player game with mild multi options, people hook nosed through easy pathways. I just don't see anything I connect with a MMO. People who hide stuff usually have something to hide.

*hand wave* Move along.. this isnt the killer MMO you seek.

I think it will be a decent and quality casual play MMO that allows you to play by yourself, or with your guild or friends (like they said). Some content I imagine will have minimum player lockout (raids) PvP you can't play by yourself. I imagine it'll do just as well as a game like Guild Wars. It might NOT be your game, but millions upon millions of people enjoy it, including a shit load of people from my SWG server who left after the NGE because PvP sucked.

I have no problem with TOR being a casual game to get lost in for brief periods of time. I don't have as much free time to waste in hardcore grindy games these days like I did when I played SWG pre-cu years ago, and I think many others feel the same way, hence why casual games do so much better then hardcore ruleset games like UO, and pre-cu SWG.

So while it may not be the game for you, others would say differently. Hence why if you even mention SWG over there you get lynched by the fanboi mob over there. SWTOR isn't just a game for SWG vets.

 

    I think the second paragraph is the reason for MMOs becoming casual friendly more than anythin else. Most people that actually work for a living don't have hours upon hours to sit around a virtual world and shoot the breeze,stand in a buff line or wait around a cantina for a buff dance. So any game that allows them to start playing and have fun from the time they log in to the time they log off will be what they choose to play. MMOs are like any other business and they will go in whichever direction that the market dictates.
 

Originally posted by Elikal 

I will be totally honest. I LOVED SWG. It was the MMO of my life, despite all the flaws, and even after NGE. No. 2 was EQ2. I played both 4-5 years, and only stopped because I had seen the same olde same olde long enough by then. I love worlds to roam and open worlds to share with lotsa people. I LOVED those vast open SWG planets, where you could fly miles and miles with your speeder and meet nobody in that vast wilderness.

Not like such cramped, tiny, themepark spaces like WAR and such. It remains my role model for a MMO. I admit.

 

Generally, I can imagine myself enjoying a story driven MMO for one run through. Or two. I loved the LOTRO books for the drama and story, but I cant see myself play that story more than once or twice, and sorry to be skeptic, but I see all SOLO PLAY written in huge letters, and I love grouping. I always enjoyed team work and shared experience, and rather did something arbitrary TOGETHER than even saving the galaxy, but all alone.  Whats it good for, when no one is there to share? I dont understand this solo hype at all! I am sure it will be a great story to play through once. No doubt here. But then what? Sure, you can see it from other angles, but havent we all our class and concept we all feel is more close than playing every other just to see more angles of the same story? I dunno.

They said in some interviews, NO QUEST of your class is the same like another. Which means, the only grouping is helping another guy's story. Which means, given the way dialogue apparently runs that everyone has a say in it, NOBODY is EVER going to take anyone else along, because it would risk he ruins your story, because he shoots the guy when you wanted him to live. Which means yes we CAN group, but no one will. End of story.

And all that secrecy has for me a bizarre and juvenile aura, like the Emperors New Clothes. Dunno if you are familiar with that tale. It is about an Emperor who has new clothes, but in fact he is naked, and all his subject applaud to him just pretending to see it, because the tailor said "only wise people would see them", and of course no one want to seem foolish, until that girl yells out that the Emperor is naked. Maybe there IS nothing much to say about the non story parts, and thats the reason we hear nothing?

Almost all over specialized MMOs have failed or at best stayed in a niche. To be blunt, I wouldnt even be surprised if SWTOR went the way of Gods and Heroes. They just seem to be way to fixated in their ridig thinking, that everyone wants a handhold, narrow, themepark, easy-game, and one day when they realize what they have done, it may be the end of it. I really HOPE I am mistaken. But atm for me it all smells like scam big time. Sorry for being the spoilsport.

Wow Elikal, a few weeks go by and you turn on the game concept completely...

Yes, you loved SWG... we get that... Obviously you are not going to be satisfied with Bioware's plans for this game. That does NOT mean it will fail, however. There are many people on these forums who are big Bioware fans and who are extremely excited about this game and what it has to offer.

Comparing this game even slightly to a blunder like Gods and Heroes is ludicrous. Have you ever even played a Bioware title? Do you know anything about the company that is making this game or the level of quality they are known for consistently delivering?? You act as though this is some no name company trying to deliver well beyond their means. That was Perpetual, NOT Bioware.

Your disappointment that this game will not be SWG is clearly the driving force behind your constant negativity concerning this game. I honestly don't know why you even bother on this forum since there is obviously no chance that a non SWG-like MMORPG could ever satisfy you. Do you do it to cast doubt upon the game so many other people are looking forward to simply out of spite? Your 'predictions' about the game are clearly not forumlated based on fact or reasonable assumptions. I don't know what you are hoping to accomplish here.

Originally posted by Anubisan

Originally posted by Elikal 

I will be totally honest. I LOVED SWG. It was the MMO of my life, despite all the flaws, and even after NGE. No. 2 was EQ2. I played both 4-5 years, and only stopped because I had seen the same olde same olde long enough by then. I love worlds to roam and open worlds to share with lotsa people. I LOVED those vast open SWG planets, where you could fly miles and miles with your speeder and meet nobody in that vast wilderness.

Not like such cramped, tiny, themepark spaces like WAR and such. It remains my role model for a MMO. I admit.

 

Generally, I can imagine myself enjoying a story driven MMO for one run through. Or two. I loved the LOTRO books for the drama and story, but I cant see myself play that story more than once or twice, and sorry to be skeptic, but I see all SOLO PLAY written in huge letters, and I love grouping. I always enjoyed team work and shared experience, and rather did something arbitrary TOGETHER than even saving the galaxy, but all alone.  Whats it good for, when no one is there to share? I dont understand this solo hype at all! I am sure it will be a great story to play through once. No doubt here. But then what? Sure, you can see it from other angles, but havent we all our class and concept we all feel is more close than playing every other just to see more angles of the same story? I dunno.

They said in some interviews, NO QUEST of your class is the same like another. Which means, the only grouping is helping another guy's story. Which means, given the way dialogue apparently runs that everyone has a say in it, NOBODY is EVER going to take anyone else along, because it would risk he ruins your story, because he shoots the guy when you wanted him to live. Which means yes we CAN group, but no one will. End of story.

And all that secrecy has for me a bizarre and juvenile aura, like the Emperors New Clothes. Dunno if you are familiar with that tale. It is about an Emperor who has new clothes, but in fact he is naked, and all his subject applaud to him just pretending to see it, because the tailor said "only wise people would see them", and of course no one want to seem foolish, until that girl yells out that the Emperor is naked. Maybe there IS nothing much to say about the non story parts, and thats the reason we hear nothing?

Almost all over specialized MMOs have failed or at best stayed in a niche. To be blunt, I wouldnt even be surprised if SWTOR went the way of Gods and Heroes. They just seem to be way to fixated in their ridig thinking, that everyone wants a handhold, narrow, themepark, easy-game, and one day when they realize what they have done, it may be the end of it. I really HOPE I am mistaken. But atm for me it all smells like scam big time. Sorry for being the spoilsport.

 

Wow Elikal, a few weeks go by and you turn on the game concept completely...

Yes, you loved SWG... we get that... Obviously you are not going to be satisfied with Bioware's plans for this game. That does NOT mean it will fail, however. There are many people on these forums who are big Bioware fans and who are extremely excited about this game and what it has to offer.

Comparing this game even slightly to a blunder like Gods and Heroes is ludicrous. Have you ever even played a Bioware title? Do you know anything about the company that is making this game or the level of quality they are known for consistently delivering?? You act as though this is some no name company trying to deliver well beyond their means. That was Perpetual, NOT Bioware.

Your disappointment that this game will not be SWG is clearly the driving force behind your constant negativity concerning this game. I honestly don't know why you even bother on this forum since there is obviously no chance that a non SWG-like MMORPG could ever satisfy you. Do you do it to cast doubt upon the game so many other people are looking forward to simply out of spite? Your 'predictions' about the game are clearly not forumlated based on fact or reasonable assumptions. I don't know what you are hoping to accomplish here.

His reasoning is the same as the rest of the naysayers:IT'S NOT SWG SO THERFORE I DON'T LIKE IT AND IT WILL FAIL. He does the same type of comparison thing over on the STO forums and they didn't make anymore sense there either.If his reasoning is to sway others from trying it then it's a fool's errand. When the game is released,people who want to try it out aren't going to be swayed by the SWG cult.