http://www.breitbart.tv/uncovered-video-obama-explains-how-his-health-care-plan-will-eliminate-private-insurance/

Quote after quote of democrats, including Obama, saying they want to eliminate ALL private health insurance.

For the argumentatively challenged:

all(a): quantifier; used with either mass or count nouns to indicate the whole number or amount of or every one of a class

This proves once again liberals lie about their agenda to get it passed.

see video above, and feel the shame of defending a lie.

He wants to eliminate it by making the public option the better choice.  It's simple competition.  One that I support.

And that was quite the editing job.  I can make Sarah paling say she supports gay marriage and late term abortions using all her speeches if you want.

And it's not on the news because we are all out to get you Faxxer.  Run.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

He wants to eliminate it by making the public option the better choice.  It's simple competition.  One that I support.

 

And that was quite the editing job.  I can make Sarah paling say she supports gay marriage and late term abortions using all her speeches if you want.

 

And it's not on the news because we are all out to get you Faxxer.  Run.

How can it be simple competition as you say...if ALL insurance companies are OUT OF BUSINESS,

you didn't watch the one where the senator laughed at putting them out of business did you?

edit:  you think clever editing is hiding the truth?  do you REALLY?

Originally posted by Sabiancym

He wants to eliminate it by making the public option the better choice.  It's simple competition.  One that I support.

 

And that was quite the editing job.  I can make Sarah paling say she supports gay marriage and late term abortions using all her speeches if you want.

 

And it's not on the news because we are all out to get you Faxxer.  Run.

Spoken like a true leftist. Obama and the rest of the democrats are lieing their ass off, saying you can keep your insurance if you want and you are fine with that. Whatever it takes right?! BS the people as long as they can get this through.

Here is anothor...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3BS4C9el98

As their Dark Lord hath said, "The end justifies the means."

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Sabiancym

He wants to eliminate it by making the public option the better choice.  It's simple competition.  One that I support.

 

And that was quite the editing job.  I can make Sarah paling say she supports gay marriage and late term abortions using all her speeches if you want.

 

And it's not on the news because we are all out to get you Faxxer.  Run.

 

Spoken like a true leftist. Obama and the rest of the democrats are lieing their ass off, saying you can keep your insurance if you want and you are fine with that. Whatever it takes right?! BS the people as long as they can get this through.

Here is anothor...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3BS4C9el98

I am a true leftist.  So thankyou.

And you can keep your insurance.  Just hope they can compete with government prices.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Sabiancym

He wants to eliminate it by making the public option the better choice.  It's simple competition.  One that I support.

 

And that was quite the editing job.  I can make Sarah paling say she supports gay marriage and late term abortions using all her speeches if you want.

 

And it's not on the news because we are all out to get you Faxxer.  Run.

 

Spoken like a true leftist. Obama and the rest of the democrats are lieing their ass off, saying you can keep your insurance if you want and you are fine with that. Whatever it takes right?! BS the people as long as they can get this through.

Here is anothor...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3BS4C9el98

 

 

I am a true leftist.  So thankyou.

 

And you can keep your insurance.  Just hope they can compete with government prices.

One can't compete with guns.

www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/104xx/doc10400/07-26-InfoOnTriCommProposal.pdf

Compared with what would happen under current law, the legislation would induce some
people to move out of employment-based coverage and others to move into employment-based
coverage, and our estimate of the net effect of those changes is shown in the
attached table. A number of questions have arisen about that estimate—particularly
regarding our conclusion that only a small share of firms would choose to stop offering
health insurance to their workers once the new subsidies became available in the
insurance exchanges.

In most cases, the combination of the subsidy from the current tax exclusion and the
penalty for firms that did not offer qualified coverage would provide a strong financial
inducement for employers to continue offering coverage to their workers. To give an
example in today’s terms, the average employment-based health insurance plan currently
has a premium of about $5,000 for single coverage and $13,000 for family coverage. The
subsidy provided by the tax exclusion is thus worth about $1,500 for single coverage and
about $4,000 for family coverage, on average. For a firm with average wages of $40,000,
the $3,200 penalty combined with the subsidy from the tax exclusion would roughly
equal the total amount of the single premium and would constitute more than half of the
typical cost of family coverage. Only workers who would receive larger percentage
subsidies in the exchanges would be better off if their employer stopped offering
coverage—and that would be a distinct minority of workers.

It's good that your side established the CBO as a credible source for actual impact information regarding health care costs. This will be your albatross in the end. Once these various bills come out of committee, and the final bill is drafted, it will have a public option.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Sabiancym

He wants to eliminate it by making the public option the better choice.  It's simple competition.  One that I support.

 

And that was quite the editing job.  I can make Sarah paling say she supports gay marriage and late term abortions using all her speeches if you want.

 

And it's not on the news because we are all out to get you Faxxer.  Run.

 

Spoken like a true leftist. Obama and the rest of the democrats are lieing their ass off, saying you can keep your insurance if you want and you are fine with that. Whatever it takes right?! BS the people as long as they can get this through.

Here is anothor...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3BS4C9el98

 

 

I am a true leftist.  So thankyou.

 

And you can keep your insurance.  Just hope they can compete with government prices.

 

One can't compete with guns.

just use a bigger gun to compete

Originally posted by LeKinK

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Sabiancym

He wants to eliminate it by making the public option the better choice.  It's simple competition.  One that I support.

 

And that was quite the editing job.  I can make Sarah paling say she supports gay marriage and late term abortions using all her speeches if you want.

 

And it's not on the news because we are all out to get you Faxxer.  Run.

 

Spoken like a true leftist. Obama and the rest of the democrats are lieing their ass off, saying you can keep your insurance if you want and you are fine with that. Whatever it takes right?! BS the people as long as they can get this through.

Here is anothor...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3BS4C9el98

 

 

I am a true leftist.  So thankyou.

 

And you can keep your insurance.  Just hope they can compete with government prices.

 

One can't compete with guns.

just use a bigger gun to compete

So you are advocating the war of each against all and the destruction of all civilization, all in the name of health care? I guess that IS the final goal of the left. Death and destruction. Thank you for coming out and admitting it so boldly.

Originally posted by DailyBuzz

www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/104xx/doc10400/07-26-InfoOnTriCommProposal.pdf

Compared with what would happen under current law, the legislation would induce some
people to move out of employment-based coverage and others to move into employment-based
coverage, and our estimate of the net effect of those changes is shown in the
attached table. A number of questions have arisen about that estimate—particularly
regarding our conclusion that only a small share of firms would choose to stop offering
health insurance to their workers once the new subsidies became available in the
insurance exchanges.

 

In most cases, the combination of the subsidy from the current tax exclusion and the
penalty for firms that did not offer qualified coverage would provide a strong financial
inducement for employers to continue offering coverage to their workers. To give an
example in today’s terms, the average employment-based health insurance plan currently
has a premium of about $5,000 for single coverage and $13,000 for family coverage. The
subsidy provided by the tax exclusion is thus worth about $1,500 for single coverage and
about $4,000 for family coverage, on average. For a firm with average wages of $40,000,
the $3,200 penalty combined with the subsidy from the tax exclusion would roughly
equal the total amount of the single premium and would constitute more than half of the
typical cost of family coverage. Only workers who would receive larger percentage
subsidies in the exchanges would be better off if their employer stopped offering
coverage—and that would be a distinct minority of workers.

 

It's good that your side established the CBO as a credible source for actual impact information regarding health care costs. This will be your albatross in the end. Once these various bills come out of committee, and the final bill is drafted, it will have a public option.

Maybe you didn't watch the vid i posted....

Obama said it's his goal to get to single payer in 10-20 years....over a transition.

All you are saying is just a gimmick that's temporary.  There will be ONLY ONE OPTION under obama care, his.

So save all the CBO stuff, it's all just a smoke screen anyway, the gig is up.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

I am a true leftist.  So thankyou.

And you can keep your insurance.  Just hope they can compete with government prices.

Are you willing to accept, to wait up to two months to have a kidney stone removed?

During those two months, a tube will be placed from the bladder to the kidney to keep the stone from moving down, some pain meds are needed during this time.  That is what was initially done in the ER.  The two months of waiting is for the government to clear the expense of the operation (to shatter the stone into particles).

Originally posted by Faxxer

Maybe you didn't watch the vid i posted....

Obama said it's his goal to get to single payer in 10-20 years....over a transition.

All you are saying is just a gimmick that's temporary.  There will be ONLY ONE OPTION under obama care, his.

So save all the CBO stuff, it's all just a smoke screen anyway, the gig is up.

I did watch the video. I've also heard Obama say many times that he was a proponent of a single payer system. Many democrats are proponents of a single payer system. I am a proponent of a single payer system. None of that impacts the bill, however. The bill is what the CBO states, a system in which the public option will have little impact on employers willingness to offer private insurance.

Perhaps democrats do think they can make the public option so efficient and effective that it will eventually lead consumers to demand a single payer system. However, that would require a new bill because these preliminary bills simply won't have that effect (according to the CBO, which the GOP sites as a credible source for such information).

Who knows what the final bill will look like. They still need to find some money before it'll get the votes to pass. I suppose we'll see what form it takes after they come out of committee. At any rate, you're currently arguing that it's a "government takeover" while it's clearly not. You may have an argument at a later date, but posting a few links of people speaking about the system they would like doesn't change what the preliminary bills actually do.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by LeKinK

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Sabiancym

He wants to eliminate it by making the public option the better choice.  It's simple competition.  One that I support.

 

And that was quite the editing job.  I can make Sarah paling say she supports gay marriage and late term abortions using all her speeches if you want.

 

And it's not on the news because we are all out to get you Faxxer.  Run.

 

Spoken like a true leftist. Obama and the rest of the democrats are lieing their ass off, saying you can keep your insurance if you want and you are fine with that. Whatever it takes right?! BS the people as long as they can get this through.

Here is anothor...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3BS4C9el98

 

 

I am a true leftist.  So thankyou.

 

And you can keep your insurance.  Just hope they can compete with government prices.

 

One can't compete with guns.

just use a bigger gun to compete

 

So you are advocating the war of each against all and the destruction of all civilization, all in the name of health care? I guess that IS the final goal of the left. Death and destruction. Thank you for coming out and admitting it so boldly.

Nah that's what your advocating, you could just accept it and stop trying to destroy all progress.

Originally posted by Dracus

Are you willing to accept, to wait up to two months to have a kidney stone removed?

During those two months, a tube will be placed from the bladder to the kidney to keep the stone from moving down, some pain meds are needed during this time.  That is what was initially done in the ER.  The two months of waiting is for the government to clear the expense of the operation (to shatter the stone into particles).

I'd imagine anyone who can afford private insurance would rather not wait 2 months for that procedure. Conversely, if you are currently uninsured and suffering from kidney stones, unable to afford any procedure at all, relief in 2 months probably sounds like a godsend.

Originally posted by Trizic

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by LeKinK

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Sabiancym

He wants to eliminate it by making the public option the better choice.  It's simple competition.  One that I support.

 

And that was quite the editing job.  I can make Sarah paling say she supports gay marriage and late term abortions using all her speeches if you want.

 

And it's not on the news because we are all out to get you Faxxer.  Run.

 

Spoken like a true leftist. Obama and the rest of the democrats are lieing their ass off, saying you can keep your insurance if you want and you are fine with that. Whatever it takes right?! BS the people as long as they can get this through.

Here is anothor...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3BS4C9el98

 

 

I am a true leftist.  So thankyou.

 

And you can keep your insurance.  Just hope they can compete with government prices.

 

One can't compete with guns.

just use a bigger gun to compete

 

So you are advocating the war of each against all and the destruction of all civilization, all in the name of health care? I guess that IS the final goal of the left. Death and destruction. Thank you for coming out and admitting it so boldly.

Nah that's what your advocating, you could just accept it and stop trying to destroy all progress.

There is no "progress" in tyranny. That's backwards. The way of the future is liberty.

Originally posted by DailyBuzz

Originally posted by Faxxer

Maybe you didn't watch the vid i posted....

Obama said it's his goal to get to single payer in 10-20 years....over a transition.

All you are saying is just a gimmick that's temporary.  There will be ONLY ONE OPTION under obama care, his.

So save all the CBO stuff, it's all just a smoke screen anyway, the gig is up.

I did watch the video. I've also heard Obama say many times that he was a proponent of a single payer system. Many democrats are proponents of a single payer system. I am a proponent of a single payer system. None of that impacts the bill, however. The bill is what the CBO states, a system in which the public option will have little impact on employers willingness to offer private insurance.

Perhaps democrats do think they can make the public option so efficient and effective that it will eventually lead consumers to demand a single payer system. However, that would require a new bill because these preliminary bills simply won't have that effect (according to the CBO, which the GOP sites as a credible source for such information).

 

Who knows what the final bill will look like. They still need to find some money before it'll get the votes to pass. I suppose we'll see what form it takes after they come out of committee. At any rate, you're currently arguing that it's a "government takeover" while it's clearly not. You may have an argument at a later date, but posting a few links of people speaking about the system they would like doesn't change what the preliminary bills actually do.

I call bullshit on this.

You admit you want single payer system, and that THEY want single payer system,

but you deny this as a valid argument because it's not the FIRST STEP en route to a single payer system.

The first step must be stopped at any cost then. period.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Bpshk5nX0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOLs7Cybnqw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8UjY3YDlwA

Thankfully, some citizens are starting to stand up against this.  I can't WAIT for the next election cycle.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Trizic

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by LeKinK

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Sabiancym

He wants to eliminate it by making the public option the better choice.  It's simple competition.  One that I support.

 

And that was quite the editing job.  I can make Sarah paling say she supports gay marriage and late term abortions using all her speeches if you want.

 

And it's not on the news because we are all out to get you Faxxer.  Run.

 

Spoken like a true leftist. Obama and the rest of the democrats are lieing their ass off, saying you can keep your insurance if you want and you are fine with that. Whatever it takes right?! BS the people as long as they can get this through.

Here is anothor...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3BS4C9el98

 

 

I am a true leftist.  So thankyou.

 

And you can keep your insurance.  Just hope they can compete with government prices.

 

One can't compete with guns.

just use a bigger gun to compete

 

So you are advocating the war of each against all and the destruction of all civilization, all in the name of health care? I guess that IS the final goal of the left. Death and destruction. Thank you for coming out and admitting it so boldly.

Nah that's what your advocating, you could just accept it and stop trying to destroy all progress.

 

There is no "progress" in tyranny. That's backwards. The way of the future is liberty.

Quite right bravo.

Which is why its good that McCain Home fries didnt get elected otherwise his brand of liberty would be invading some poor 3rd world country right about now

But hey its all good afterall those places are not in America and therefore backward and unchristian.

Originally posted by Faxxer

I call bullshit on this.

You admit you want single payer system, and that THEY want single payer system,

but you deny this as a valid argument because it's not the FIRST STEP en route to a single payer system.

The first step must be stopped at any cost then. period.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Bpshk5nX0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOLs7Cybnqw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8UjY3YDlwA

Thankfully, some citizens are starting to stand up against this.  I can't WAIT for the next election cycle.

I never said it's not the first step toward a single payer system. In fact, quite the opposite. I believe a public option will display the most efficient and effective way to deliver health care, and will eventually lead to a single payer system BECAUSE the citizens will eventually demand it.

No, the first step doesn't have to be stopped. The unabated profit engine, capitalizing on misery, must be stopped. A public option will help achieve that goal.

Of course some citizens are standing up. People fear change, it's only natural. The GOP continues to trod down the path of fear. What we witnessed in the last election was that the MAJORITY of people are willing to embrace change because what we've been doing for decades hasn't worked.

Post some more links of dissension, it doesn't change anything. Hell, I've seen a YouTube of a town hall meeting where the people got spun up over a birth certificate, but that doesn't make them the majority. The sad thing is, you believe the people who share your view is a substantial segment of society, it's not.

See Faxxer, when they lose the argument, they divert and change the subject. Gotta love it when they get caught up in their own lies.

(this was in response to Hyperion's obvious diversion)