Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by treysmooth 

From what I can tell you are trying to rationalize cheating to yourself and others because you are probably one of the "1337" people that cheat to compete.  If thats the case get over it you are a exploiter and a cheater.  The more I read about this games community the more relieved I am I didn't bother.  So clans determine if you have a good experience? all I see are a bunch of pathetic little human beings, wearing their exploiting like a badge of honor in a article.  Not that it matters much this article will be gone in a day or two anyway lol.  Politics lol?  what difference does it make if all the "elite" clans spend all their time at a blood wall.

GG

Read more than one of my posts before you judge me. I have stated clearly that I don't use cheats or macroes. I dion't even use combat addons in games that 'allow' them. Nor do I play this game.

Actually it was after reading a couple of pages I concluded it.  Regardless why would you defend the behavior of cheaters if you don't cheat yourself.  They ruin the experience in most every game, that includes your experience ya know?  Can ya see where I'm coming from?

I'd say the article is a good summary of why no one should consider playing the game.

As such I say it should stay.

What I gleaned from the article

1. Macroing/unattended skllups still exists.

2. Mobs are still exploitable.

Originally posted by Stradden

 

As a result of the controversey surrounding the article, and wanting to be fair to both the article's author and to Aventurine and its players, I have emailed Tasos to simply ask the question of whether or not the activities described in the article are against the game's RoC.

Lemme guess. No answer?

Originally posted by Ionselon

So, using your line of reasoning here, it would be ok if MMORPG.com published an article by someone on how to run your own private WoW server?  After all, it's only journalism, right?  And, after all, MMORPG.com doesn't condone it, so it's ok to publish it.  Right?  (Hint:  the US courts don't happen to agree with you; websites are responsible for the information they choose to publish)

Edit:  Better idea.  Publish an article on running a private server for DFO.  If it is coded as poorly as has been reported, it should be no problem to port over to a private server.  :)

First of all this guys did not say how you cheat but rather it was one of the things that his guild engaged in. Secondly, if it did say how you cheat that certainly is not illegal and hence not the same as your US court example, whatever that came from.

The article described how one guild came to be the first in achieving certain things in the game and reporting that is much better than hiding the fact that cheating is rampant in Darkfall. Censorship should have a strong reason and I fail to see one here.

Originally posted by Hammertime1

Originally posted by sigamon

get off your high horses people, god damn.  i say congrats to you guys in ES.  darkfall is about being hardcore to the extreme, av made it with that mindset.

 

so its pleasing to see people so into being the best that they would bust their asses that hard. its impressive

 

So  "hardcore to the extreme'" is having the game play while you're off doing something else? And it's "busting your ass" to have the game play while you're gone?

I never knew that was one of the definations of hardcore....

lol exactly.

The new 'hardcore' is just all cheating.. afk macros, hacks, exploits, whatever, to win.

I mean, a player would only cheat to win if they thought they had no chance if they played according to the rules based on skill alone right? It's obvious that cheating just takes place make fights safer and the game generally easier for the cheater.

Actually sounds very carebear to me.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Ionselon

So, using your line of reasoning here, it would be ok if MMORPG.com published an article by someone on how to run your own private WoW server?  After all, it's only journalism, right?  And, after all, MMORPG.com doesn't condone it, so it's ok to publish it.  Right?  (Hint:  the US courts don't happen to agree with you; websites are responsible for the information they choose to publish)

Edit:  Better idea.  Publish an article on running a private server for DFO.  If it is coded as poorly as has been reported, it should be no problem to port over to a private server.  :)

 

First of all this guys did not say how you cheat but rather it was one of the things that his guild engaged in. Secondly, if it did say how you cheat that certainly is not illegal and hence not the same as your US court example, whatever that came from.

The article described how one guild came to be the first in achieving certain things in the game and reporting that is much better than hiding the fact that cheating is rampant in Darkfall. Censorship should have a strong reason and I fail to see one here.

Actually, he did say how they cheated by saying they created a bloodwall so that peeps would log in with unearned xp.
 

Also, I never asked for the article to be removed.  I was simply pointing out it was documenting obtaining goals against people who had no chance of beating them.  If someone can get a sense of accomplishment from that, then the article succeeded...for them.  To the rest of us, it just shows what shallow people they really are.

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by Stradden

 

As a result of the controversey surrounding the article, and wanting to be fair to both the article's author and to Aventurine and its players, I have emailed Tasos to simply ask the question of whether or not the activities described in the article are against the game's RoC.

 

Lemme guess. No answer?

Yeah, I was wondering if there had been any response from Tasos.

Great read, and on a positive note too!! I am getting Tired of these nubs trashing a game most of them haven't even played. But this is a Game of emotion as you can loose all your stuff in a blink of a eye. Too bad we are at war and one day we will destoy your city hehehe nothing personal just a Game Just kidding well maybe....

Darkfall for a game is solid it requires some more content but I can only hope it will always require content Keep Steaming AV, I have been playing every since it was release on EU-1. And Yes I paid for it twice, and my Pings are 54 to 56.

 And SHHHH about the Macro'ing never mention the word once, as for the blood wall it is a place you can AFK to other people can hit you with spells and Melee weapons. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Will AV make a change to have no skill gain with weapons and spell in town, well maybe one day but for now it is OK

Originally posted by ID10T

Great read, and on a positive note too!! I am getting Tired of these nubs trashing a game most of them haven't even played. But this is a Game of emotion as you can loose all your stuff in a blink of a eye. Too bad we are at war and one day we will destoy your city hehehe nothing personal just a Game Just kidding well maybe....

Darkfall for a game is solid it requires some more content but I can only hope it will always require content Keep Steaming AV, I have been playing every since it was release on EU-1. And Yes I paid for it twice, and my Pings are 54 to 56.

 And SHHHH about the Macro'ing never mention the word once, as for the blood wall it is a place you can AFK to other people can hit you with spells and Melee weapons. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Will AV make a change to have no skill gain with weapons and spell in town, well maybe one day but for now it is OK

Your name says it all.  No further comment required.
 

Originally posted by treysmooth

Actually it was after reading a couple of pages I concluded it.  Regardless why would you defend the behavior of cheaters if you don't cheat yourself.  They ruin the experience in most every game, that includes your experience ya know?  Can ya see where I'm coming from?

If I agreed that they were cheating, yes.

The only reason for an auto-log out (AFK) feature to be left out of the game is that the devs wanted people to be able to go AFK and remain in the game. If that is the case, doing so is not cheating. EVEN if the devs later say it's naughty.

If they are using some external means to automate their character while AFK, then that IS cheating (assuming the devs have said so) and they should be warned and banned if they persist.

A bloodwall is ususlly a wall where characters setup for macroing or otherwise skill up while sleeping.

   The game for the most part is trash for many reasons and the only ones to really blame are the devs.  You can't blame players for what devs don't fix.  Players only do what they are allowed to.  The pve is probably the worst i've ever seen in any game as most of the mobs aren't worth the trouble to kill.  The quests suck, there really is no content to speak of except for the pvp and its a total asian style grind from hell to catch up to an even playing field to the rest.  The devs managed to put a grind where the pve and content should be as many pacific rim mmos do.

meh, it could have been a good game but was released unfinished.

I use to own a gaming review site and i believe in honesty.  I had high hopes for df, however its a complete disappointment.

Originally posted by Ionselon

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Ionselon

So, using your line of reasoning here, it would be ok if MMORPG.com published an article by someone on how to run your own private WoW server?  After all, it's only journalism, right?  And, after all, MMORPG.com doesn't condone it, so it's ok to publish it.  Right?  (Hint:  the US courts don't happen to agree with you; websites are responsible for the information they choose to publish)

Edit:  Better idea.  Publish an article on running a private server for DFO.  If it is coded as poorly as has been reported, it should be no problem to port over to a private server.  :)

 

First of all this guys did not say how you cheat but rather it was one of the things that his guild engaged in. Secondly, if it did say how you cheat that certainly is not illegal and hence not the same as your US court example, whatever that came from.

The article described how one guild came to be the first in achieving certain things in the game and reporting that is much better than hiding the fact that cheating is rampant in Darkfall. Censorship should have a strong reason and I fail to see one here.

Actually, he did say how they cheated by saying they created a bloodwall so that peeps would log in with unearned xp.
 

Also, I never asked for the article to be removed.  I was simply pointing out it was documenting obtaining goals against people who had no chance of beating them.  If someone can get a sense of accomplishment from that, then the article succeeded...for them.  To the rest of us, it just shows what shallow people they really are.

Saying "we did a bloodwall" is still not how. I for instance have no idea what a bloodwall is, should they have explained the steps required then that would be a how but simply saying bloodwall say very little unless you already know what a bloodwall is.

Anyway, maybe I mistook you for someone else who commented as to why mmorpg.com "condoned" cheating by publishing this article. That was what I was responding to. Showing that someone people engage in, alleged, unlawful activities is not the same as condoning it.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by treysmooth

Actually it was after reading a couple of pages I concluded it.  Regardless why would you defend the behavior of cheaters if you don't cheat yourself.  They ruin the experience in most every game, that includes your experience ya know?  Can ya see where I'm coming from?

If I agreed that they were cheating, yes.

The only reason for an auto-log out (AFK) feature to be left out of the game is that the devs wanted people to be able to go AFK and remain in the game. If that is the case, doing so is not cheating. EVEN if the devs later say it's naughty.

If they are using some external means to automate their character while AFK, then that IS cheating (assuming the devs have said so) and they should be warned and banned if they persist.

Gaining a unfair advantage with zero risk in a game all about risk/reward to me is the definition of cheating.  I'm done with you in fact I kinda hope you join this failure of a game so that when you get raped by the afk macroers that have their skills maxed you can't say shit about it.  Good luck with your messed up sense of right and wrong.  I agree with the guy that said this is as carebear as it gets you lamers all enjoy your exploiters paradise I'll be playing games that require you to actually earn your skills thx.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by junzo316

Ummm....if they make it a bannable offense, then it is "wrong".

By that logic, anything that is illegal is immoral.

lol....who brought morality into the equation?  As I said before your logic is flawed, and thus your credibility, at least in my eyes, is questionable.  If you can't see AFK macroing as cheating when the devs have said as much, then further explaining would just be pointless.

So glad that the OP and most of the posters here reaffirmed my idea on what the community will be like in this game.

Originally posted by Hammertime1

Originally posted by sigamon

get off your high horses people, god damn.  i say congrats to you guys in ES.  darkfall is about being hardcore to the extreme, av made it with that mindset.

 

so its pleasing to see people so into being the best that they would bust their asses that hard. its impressive

 

So  "hardcore to the extreme'" is having the game play while you're off doing something else? And it's "busting your ass" to have the game play while you're gone?

I never knew that was one of the definations of hardcore....

no you dumbass. not the bloodwall, i was talking about them forming the guild, and building their city in that short of amount of time. its really impressive

and everyone in a guild with a city uses bloodwalls. everyone...

Originally posted by sigamon

Originally posted by Hammertime1

Originally posted by sigamon

get off your high horses people, god damn.  i say congrats to you guys in ES.  darkfall is about being hardcore to the extreme, av made it with that mindset.

 

so its pleasing to see people so into being the best that they would bust their asses that hard. its impressive

 

So  "hardcore to the extreme'" is having the game play while you're off doing something else? And it's "busting your ass" to have the game play while you're gone?

I never knew that was one of the definations of hardcore....

 

no you dumbass. not the bloodwall, i was talking about them forming the guild, and building their city in that short of amount of time. its really impressive

 

and everyone in a guild with a city uses bloodwalls. everyone...

LOLOLOL I don't even need to make a comment just read the red, absolutely priceless.

GG

Yes the exodus syndicate has a bloodwall.  No,  people are not allowed to macro, auto run on it.  Players who attempt such  are killed and or reported.

When I said players awoke to skill-up, I mean they beat up afk players.  Not that they woke up and had skillups.   Please do not take my words out of context.  Sorry for not responding sooner,  had not realized someone would make such an assumption.

I am working on two new articles. One to teach new players how to group up and farm gold, the other will list some of the major alliances, and will include a colored map eve style to show areas of influence.

Yes I am a fan of the game. Please keep in mind I am not an un-biased writer. I am community correspondent because I am a fan of the game.  You can not be a community correspondent if  you are not a fan of the game. :-)

If Alliance leaders would like to submit me their battle reports for city  sieges, and the results,  I will be happy to try and get them posted on mmorpg.com.  Please try and include screen shots.  My email is Jeffery.dee.hargrove@live.com . Please only send large/major conflict write-ups. Anything with over 200 players will be considered large, 400 major.

Originally posted by treysmooth

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by treysmooth

Actually it was after reading a couple of pages I concluded it.  Regardless why would you defend the behavior of cheaters if you don't cheat yourself.  They ruin the experience in most every game, that includes your experience ya know?  Can ya see where I'm coming from?

If I agreed that they were cheating, yes.

The only reason for an auto-log out (AFK) feature to be left out of the game is that the devs wanted people to be able to go AFK and remain in the game. If that is the case, doing so is not cheating. EVEN if the devs later say it's naughty.

If they are using some external means to automate their character while AFK, then that IS cheating (assuming the devs have said so) and they should be warned and banned if they persist.

 

Gaining a unfair advantage with zero risk in a game all about risk/reward to me is the definition of cheating.  I'm done with you in fact I kinda hope you join this failure of a game so that when you get raped by the afk macroers that have their skills maxed you can't say shit about it.  Good luck with your messed up sense of right and wrong.  I agree with the guy that said this is as carebear as it gets you lamers all enjoy your exploiters paradise I'll be playing games that require you to actually earn your skills thx.

If you would like to ask Black Shields, Four Horsemen, LOD, UA, Sinister or any of the many clans who have successfully conducted raids into  Erinthel city.  Being afk in a player city is very risky.  Congrats to those clans by the way. 

Rest assured going afk is not against the rules. Unless a player uses a third party macro, Auto-runs, or Auto-swims.

For any quistions regarding Darkfall rules and or policies, please read this thread from the official darkfall forums website.

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=191365