Originally posted by Markn12

 

Again you can go to another island where no rifts are and XP all the way to 30.  OR you can fly to the other end of the zone and xp there or find there kisk and destroy it.  Ganking will happen and it hurts that they are not using 1.5 for CBT because it would limit the ganking.

Either way this game is about PVP so gather your fellow players and go at them Elyos THERE is a limit to how many can go in a rift and a level cap on each rift so you can outnumber them easily people care to help.

Also open beta will be 1-2 weeks after CBT6  with character wipes so we all get a fresh start.  I plan on getting to 30+  to try fire temple then.

I am level 30 and elyos. in cbt 4, I was in a group of level 25s (cap at that time) and took on 3 groups of various levels in asmodian. I would assume that a group of level 30s can take out a full alliance of 25 and below. And I know there is a limit on the rift but most of the time the rifts will spawn in the desert of the southern part of the map which has a limit of 30 + people. I can see 20+ level 30's camping out in front of the city and stay there all day long without any trouble. What I am trying to say is that since the last beta, people that were camped will still be camped and they can't do anything about it because of the level differences.

Originally posted by frontstab

Originally posted by Markn12

 

Again you can go to another island where no rifts are and XP all the way to 30.  OR you can fly to the other end of the zone and xp there or find there kisk and destroy it.  Ganking will happen and it hurts that they are not using 1.5 for CBT because it would limit the ganking.

Either way this game is about PVP so gather your fellow players and go at them Elyos THERE is a limit to how many can go in a rift and a level cap on each rift so you can outnumber them easily people care to help.

Also open beta will be 1-2 weeks after CBT6  with character wipes so we all get a fresh start.  I plan on getting to 30+  to try fire temple then.

 

I am level 30 and elyos. in cbt 4, I was in a group of level 25s (cap at that time) and took on 3 groups of various levels in asmodian. I would assume that a group of level 30s can take out a full alliance of 25 and below. And I know there is a limit on the rift but most of the time the rifts will spawn in the desert of the southern part of the map which has a limit of 30 + people. I can see 20+ level 30's camping out in front of the city and stay there all day long without any trouble. What I am trying to say is that since the last beta, people that were camped will still be camped and they can't do anything about it because of the level differences.

Were you playing on Siel? Population balance isn't nice there and there will be population inbalance caps in effect on release (and maybe at OB).

Already mentioned this on page 1, but will do it again. I really hope NCSoft puts 1.5 on the Open Beta so we can know how effective the Slayer system is. CB6 will be another PvP war, won't say gankfest simply because at least on Israphel there were always a force to fight back succesfully, might not be the case in other servers though.

Originally posted by EricDanie

Originally posted by frontstab

Originally posted by Markn12

 

Again you can go to another island where no rifts are and XP all the way to 30.  OR you can fly to the other end of the zone and xp there or find there kisk and destroy it.  Ganking will happen and it hurts that they are not using 1.5 for CBT because it would limit the ganking.

Either way this game is about PVP so gather your fellow players and go at them Elyos THERE is a limit to how many can go in a rift and a level cap on each rift so you can outnumber them easily people care to help.

Also open beta will be 1-2 weeks after CBT6  with character wipes so we all get a fresh start.  I plan on getting to 30+  to try fire temple then.

 

I am level 30 and elyos. in cbt 4, I was in a group of level 25s (cap at that time) and took on 3 groups of various levels in asmodian. I would assume that a group of level 30s can take out a full alliance of 25 and below. And I know there is a limit on the rift but most of the time the rifts will spawn in the desert of the southern part of the map which has a limit of 30 + people. I can see 20+ level 30's camping out in front of the city and stay there all day long without any trouble. What I am trying to say is that since the last beta, people that were camped will still be camped and they can't do anything about it because of the level differences.

Were you playing on Siel? Population balance isn't nice there and there will be population inbalance caps in effect on release (and maybe at OB).

Already mentioned this on page 1, but will do it again. I really hope NCSoft puts 1.5 on the Open Beta so we can know how effective the Slayer system is. CB6 will be another PvP war, won't say gankfest simply because at least on Israphel there were always a force to fight back succesfully, might not be the case in other servers though.

On Israphel, IGN: Quitter

It would be nice to see how the slayer system will work out.  I would really agree it will be a pvp "war" pre-say because elyos were camping the rifts pretty hard this past beta. It would be fun to see where Thirteen is whenever they go rifting.

Originally posted by spankybus

Until the practice of ganking is actually punished in a PVP setting, it will occur.

 

Even then, it will still occur, though perhaps less often.

 

 

/shrug

 

Until the practice of PvE players rolling on PvP servers and then crying about being ganked there will always be whine threads like this.

I didn´t play the game yet, so I may misunderstand something:

If the healing classes can resurrect, if a group of higher level players has 1-2 of them, if they are visiting an enemy lower level area... what is the point of the slayer system?

Originally posted by Mackeh

Originally posted by spankybus

Until the practice of ganking is actually punished in a PVP setting, it will occur.

 

Even then, it will still occur, though perhaps less often.

 

 

/shrug

 

 

Until the practice of PvE players rolling on PvP servers and then crying about being ganked there will always be whine threads like this.

I am a PVE player. What I got out of this thread is that as a PVE player I should stay away from this game as it's a gankfest and PVPcentric. I did very minimal research on Aion and happened to get a beta serial code through preorder. So I was not informed on this and now that I am, I am thankful that I read this thread. Since this thread helped keep a carebear away from your PVP game, I'd think you'd be happy that it existed.

Originally posted by Jori

Originally posted by Mackeh

Originally posted by spankybus

Until the practice of ganking is actually punished in a PVP setting, it will occur.

 

Even then, it will still occur, though perhaps less often.

 

 

/shrug

 

 

Until the practice of PvE players rolling on PvP servers and then crying about being ganked there will always be whine threads like this.

I am a PVE player. What I got out of this thread is that as a PVE player I should stay away from this game as it's a gankfest and PVPcentric. I did very minimal research on Aion and happened to get a beta serial code through preorder. So I was not informed on this and now that I am, I am thankful that I read this thread. Since this thread helped keep a carebear away from your PVP game, I'd think you'd be happy that it existed.

Or you can actually try it and see first hand what the real deal is.

Or you can live your life just taking other people's word for how things are.

When I first tried Lineage 2 I expected, based upon reviews, to only be there a week IF that. I just wanted to see what an online game was like and eq looked horrible to my tastes. I knew all the bad things about it but just wanted to see.

I stayed over 4 years. Why? Because I knew what was true, what wasn't, what I could stand, what I couldn't.

I did my OWN research and was rewarded with a great game, even though there were things i didn't like about it.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained and you won't die if you play aion during an open or closed beta event. At least not from any game related issues.

Well, this discussion is a bit pointless. Lets say, for the same of argument, that you could level up to 40 in WoW and the last unlocked zone was Stranglethorn Vale. What do you think would happen if that was all there was to that game? Was that all there was in that game? Is there all there is to be seen in the last beta event in Aion?

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jori

Originally posted by Mackeh

Originally posted by spankybus

Until the practice of ganking is actually punished in a PVP setting, it will occur.

 

Even then, it will still occur, though perhaps less often.

 

 

/shrug

 

 

Until the practice of PvE players rolling on PvP servers and then crying about being ganked there will always be whine threads like this.

I am a PVE player. What I got out of this thread is that as a PVE player I should stay away from this game as it's a gankfest and PVPcentric. I did very minimal research on Aion and happened to get a beta serial code through preorder. So I was not informed on this and now that I am, I am thankful that I read this thread. Since this thread helped keep a carebear away from your PVP game, I'd think you'd be happy that it existed.

 

Or you can actually try it and see first hand what the real deal is.

Or you can live your life just taking other people's word for how things are.

When I first tried Lineage 2 I expected, based upon reviews, to only be there a week IF that. I just wanted to see what an online game was like and eq looked horrible to my tastes. I knew all the bad things about it but just wanted to see.

I stayed over 4 years. Why? Because I knew what was true, what wasn't, what I could stand, what I couldn't.

I did my OWN research and was rewarded with a great game, even though there were things i didn't like about it.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained and you won't die if you play aion during an open or closed beta event. At least not from any game related issues.

I am a PVE player and if I get ganked I will cry and whine in the threads, is this not correct? Is that not what you wished to end? You can't have it both ways.

I am currently still researching the game, but this thread gave me the heads up I needed to do so. I've played many mmos since EQ and as you start to get burned out from mmos and the market is saturated you start to filter games out through hearsay/word-of-mouth. I don't believe everything I read, but you have to start somewhere.

Originally posted by supbro

Remember there will be a slayer system introduced, basically preventing high level people ganking lowbies ..

Penalties of PvP in PVE Areas

If you go on a killing rampage in enemy territory (does not apply to the Abyss), you will receive penalties for doing so. This is called the Slayer System. The effects are as follows:

1. Depending on the amount of killings you will receive points. If your penalty points go over a certain limit, you will receive the penalty effects. If you kill lower leveled players than you, you will receive more points.

2. The penalty effects are categorized into two. One is a ?Curse? and you cannot use rifts. The second is a ?Judgment? and under this effect you cannot be resurrected in any Kiosk placed in the enemy territory, as well as use rifts.

3. The name of the Curse/Judgment depends on the race. If you are Elyos, you will receive Curse/Judgment of Asphel. Asmodians will get Curse/Judgment of Ariel.

4. Once you come under Curse or Judgment, your location will be revealed throughout the local map for the entire opposing faction members. Also, even if you are under a hiding skill, your title will be seen, making it even easier to be spotted.

5. You must go back to your own lands or the Abyss and wait for a certain amount of time for the Curse or Judgment to disappear.

6. If you or someone else kills a slayer, 12 nearby players of the dead body will receive buffs.

7. The killer of the slayer will be announced throughout the area chat under the format of ?[Race]?s Hero [Killer of the Slayer] has defeated [Slayer] while he was under [Judgment or Curse] of [Ariel or Asphel].

LoL, penalties for PvP in PvP game? Give me a break. Didn't they try that in AoC?

They need to encourage PvP in these games. And low-level ganking, should be encouraged as a viable means to create conflict amonst players, in my opinion. If done well, low level ganking could be the entire premise of the game. You try to attack the other sides low levels, while they protect them and try to kill yours. Just rediculous all these silly little justice systems game developers come up with like its cops and robbers or cowboys and indians.

I don't recall any game where low level ganging was a base for a meaningful conflict. Quite the opposite, games that left their low level people unprotected stagnated their player base. Who in his right mind will bother playing the hero, boring himself with patrolling the low level areas, when there is a war waging in the Abyss?

And what does PvP and low level ganging doing in the same sentence anyway?

Originally posted by Palebane

Originally posted by supbro

Remember there will be a slayer system introduced, basically preventing high level people ganking lowbies ..

Penalties of PvP in PVE Areas

If you go on a killing rampage in enemy territory (does not apply to the Abyss), you will receive penalties for doing so. This is called the Slayer System. The effects are as follows:

1. Depending on the amount of killings you will receive points. If your penalty points go over a certain limit, you will receive the penalty effects. If you kill lower leveled players than you, you will receive more points.

2. The penalty effects are categorized into two. One is a ?Curse? and you cannot use rifts. The second is a ?Judgment? and under this effect you cannot be resurrected in any Kiosk placed in the enemy territory, as well as use rifts.

3. The name of the Curse/Judgment depends on the race. If you are Elyos, you will receive Curse/Judgment of Asphel. Asmodians will get Curse/Judgment of Ariel.

4. Once you come under Curse or Judgment, your location will be revealed throughout the local map for the entire opposing faction members. Also, even if you are under a hiding skill, your title will be seen, making it even easier to be spotted.

5. You must go back to your own lands or the Abyss and wait for a certain amount of time for the Curse or Judgment to disappear.

6. If you or someone else kills a slayer, 12 nearby players of the dead body will receive buffs.

7. The killer of the slayer will be announced throughout the area chat under the format of ?[Race]?s Hero [Killer of the Slayer] has defeated [Slayer] while he was under [Judgment or Curse] of [Ariel or Asphel].

 

LoL, penalties for PvP in PvP game? Give me a break. Didn't they try that in AoC?

 

They need to encourage PvP in these games. And low-level ganking, should be encouraged as a viable means to create conflict amonst players, in my opinion. If done well, low level ganking could be the entire premise of the game. You try to attack the other sides low levels, while they protect them and try to kill yours. Just rediculous all these silly little justice systems game developers come up with like its cops and robbers or cowboys and indians.

Well, you're half right - the other side would go gank the other low levels.

But as far as higher level players protecting lower level players, nope, won't happen to any meaningful extent.

Remember how in UO the devs thought that players would police their own? It hardly ever happened, the PK's rule the land and the pve-type players just voted with their feet and left. That was the end of UO's dominance in the MMO world.

Originally posted by Xasapis

I don't recall any game where low level ganging was a base for a meaningful conflict. Quite the opposite, games that left their low level people unprotected stagnated their player base. Who in his right mind will bother playing the hero, boring himself with patrolling the low level areas, when there is a war waging in the Abyss?

And what does PvP and low level ganging doing in the same sentence anyway?

Because you have no loyalty to your fellow gamer.
What would YOU ever gain by helping THEM out anyway?

What are you waging war in the abyss over? New loot? Talk about boring oneself to death...

Originally posted by Hammertime1

Originally posted by Palebane

Originally posted by supbro

Remember there will be a slayer system introduced, basically preventing high level people ganking lowbies ..

Penalties of PvP in PVE Areas

If you go on a killing rampage in enemy territory (does not apply to the Abyss), you will receive penalties for doing so. This is called the Slayer System. The effects are as follows:

1. Depending on the amount of killings you will receive points. If your penalty points go over a certain limit, you will receive the penalty effects. If you kill lower leveled players than you, you will receive more points.

2. The penalty effects are categorized into two. One is a ?Curse? and you cannot use rifts. The second is a ?Judgment? and under this effect you cannot be resurrected in any Kiosk placed in the enemy territory, as well as use rifts.

3. The name of the Curse/Judgment depends on the race. If you are Elyos, you will receive Curse/Judgment of Asphel. Asmodians will get Curse/Judgment of Ariel.

4. Once you come under Curse or Judgment, your location will be revealed throughout the local map for the entire opposing faction members. Also, even if you are under a hiding skill, your title will be seen, making it even easier to be spotted.

5. You must go back to your own lands or the Abyss and wait for a certain amount of time for the Curse or Judgment to disappear.

6. If you or someone else kills a slayer, 12 nearby players of the dead body will receive buffs.

7. The killer of the slayer will be announced throughout the area chat under the format of ?[Race]?s Hero [Killer of the Slayer] has defeated [Slayer] while he was under [Judgment or Curse] of [Ariel or Asphel].

 

LoL, penalties for PvP in PvP game? Give me a break. Didn't they try that in AoC?

 

They need to encourage PvP in these games. And low-level ganking, should be encouraged as a viable means to create conflict amonst players, in my opinion. If done well, low level ganking could be the entire premise of the game. You try to attack the other sides low levels, while they protect them and try to kill yours. Just rediculous all these silly little justice systems game developers come up with like its cops and robbers or cowboys and indians.

 

Well, you're half right - the other side would go gank the other low levels.

But as far as higher level players protecting lower level players, nope, won't happen to any meaningful extent.

 

Remember how in UO the devs thought that players would police their own? It hardly ever happened, the PK's rule the land and the pve-type players just voted with their feet and left. That was the end of UO's dominance in the MMO world.

But it could be done. Not saying it would be easy, but it would be different. Might even be fun.
 

Yeah, like a sidequest.

Fun.

Yeah.

Yay griefing!

Originally posted by Palebane

Originally posted by Xasapis

I don't recall any game where low level ganging was a base for a meaningful conflict. Quite the opposite, games that left their low level people unprotected stagnated their player base. Who in his right mind will bother playing the hero, boring himself with patrolling the low level areas, when there is a war waging in the Abyss?

And what does PvP and low level ganging doing in the same sentence anyway?

 

Because you have no loyalty to your fellow gamer.
What would YOU ever gain by helping THEM out anyway?

What are you waging war in the abyss over? New loot? Talk about boring oneself to death...

Let me ask you a question. Feel free to be as honest as you like.

• How much time did you allocate playing guard duty over complete strangers (not talking about clan mates)?
• How much time did you allocate hunting low level players?
• What was the game that you did all these things?

Originally posted by supbro

Remember there will be a slayer system introduced, basically preventing high level people ganking lowbies ..

Penalties of PvP in PVE Areas

If you go on a killing rampage in enemy territory (does not apply to the Abyss), you will receive penalties for doing so. This is called the Slayer System. The effects are as follows:

1. Depending on the amount of killings you will receive points. If your penalty points go over a certain limit, you will receive the penalty effects. If you kill lower leveled players than you, you will receive more points.

2. The penalty effects are categorized into two. One is a ?Curse? and you cannot use rifts. The second is a ?Judgment? and under this effect you cannot be resurrected in any Kiosk placed in the enemy territory, as well as use rifts.

3. The name of the Curse/Judgment depends on the race. If you are Elyos, you will receive Curse/Judgment of Asphel. Asmodians will get Curse/Judgment of Ariel.

4. Once you come under Curse or Judgment, your location will be revealed throughout the local map for the entire opposing faction members. Also, even if you are under a hiding skill, your title will be seen, making it even easier to be spotted.

5. You must go back to your own lands or the Abyss and wait for a certain amount of time for the Curse or Judgment to disappear.

6. If you or someone else kills a slayer, 12 nearby players of the dead body will receive buffs.

7. The killer of the slayer will be announced throughout the area chat under the format of ?[Race]?s Hero [Killer of the Slayer] has defeated [Slayer] while he was under [Judgment or Curse] of [Ariel or Asphel].

Ok, so I like this. You can PvP in PvE areas, but there's a penalty. That's the end of discussion for me. I'm not going to lie, I plan on ganking. I plan on ganking a lot. :) I really don't like the idea that a game should seperate the pathways of PvP and PvE, because I like to do both! so, PvPvE sounds good to me. I don't want to hear your opinion. If you don't like the idea, then you don't have to play.  If I get ganked, then I won't cry about it. If that post I quoted is true, which I'm sure is, then you won't get ganked constantly like you do on PvP servers in AoC, so it won't be too bad. The game is in beta here. keep in mind they've released a full version in Korea, and they fricken love it over there. :) I'm sure you all will too. Just shut up and give the game some room. ;)

do you get anything for killing people outside of ABYS?,

in PVE areyas

or is it only for rage kids pleasure`?

You get Abyss Points I'm sure.

Originally posted by gestalt11

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by EricDanie 

For reasons like this we are just playing a beta, and not really a preview event. They have yet to update the client and show us the true features we'll see at release, and this is one of them, that some people say that "killed rift PvP" on Korea.

I hope Open Beta features the retail version, so that people won't get a misunderstanding on what the game offers, and they don't have any obligation to research future patches when they are just checking if they have fun with the game or not, first impression is everything and a lot of people are getting the wrong impression because they are playing a beta with a lot of things that will be added on release.

Until you SEE them in-game and working properly, assume neither. If the 1.5 version is not in beta, assume some features mentioned are either broken or missing.

 

That is the voice of experience talking.

 

Exactly.  And considering there are currently more elyos in Morheim than asmodians and almost all of them are +5 to +10.  Add on the fact that Morheim is so badly designed that you can't do anything due to choke points and its pretty bad.

 

Suffice it to say that currently on at least one Beta server Asmodians simply can't level unless they get a full group of people who are mostly 23+ and go to the remote Ice Claw.  Since all the morheim level 19-23 content is unusable your only option is to mindlessly grind in the other zone which is currently incomplete and has about 2 quests.

 

I have heard countless MMO say they will do something like a anti-griefers system.  Never seen it happen or work,

you do realize there is anotehr zone the same lvl with no pvp right? there is always a counter zone to each of the pvp ones