Originally posted by badboybill

Originally posted by outfctrl

I just started playing AoC and I am enjoying it.  Great story line and the acting/music is phenomenal. I started on a PvE server so I don't have to put up with the ganking.

Canceling my WoW account after 4+ years.  The graphics in this game beat anything I have played.  I have a NVidia GTX 285 and this game really shows what that card can do.  Anyways, I am planning on sticking with this one and taking the advice on finding a good adult guild to hang out with.

 

I surf just about all the major mmorpg forums and it seems this topic always comes up.  All games are similar in this respect.

Some people hate it, some people love it.  Same old, same old.

 

 

Don't you mean: "MOST people hate it, some people love it"?

I'm happy that you have found something that you enjoy but like I've said before, don't get too excited yet. Your post reminds me of the kind we had at launch, Where everyone was mesmerized by the better-than-WoW graphics and the game seemed AMAZING. Unfortunately the magic wears off pretty fast, usually around level 50-60. After a month most of those people went back to their old games.

My tip to you: don't sell that WoW account.

Well, as a casual gamer, getting to 50 will take a very long time.  If I get tired of the game I can always go back to WoW or EQ2.

I even thought of going back to UO at one time. I am very wealthy in that game and placing another house would be a breeze nowadays.

I only sold one account in my life and that was my UO account many years ago, made like $400.00, but I still regret it to this day.  It is amazing how attached you get to characters in that game.  No leveling. just skill points.

Anyways, I am going to play this game till I get bored, which will be a good amount of time.

Originally posted by badboybill

Originally posted by Sevenwind

Originally posted by solareus

So from eveeryones input , it seems to boil down, that this is not an adult mmorpg ?

 It's a mmorpg that was designed around Robert E. Howard's stories of Conan. So if you are 13 and enjoy the stories of Conan or you are 99 yrs old and also enjoy the stories you will know that blood and nudity are a part of the lore. It wasn't designed to attract kids who like nudity and blood.

 

It's a popular myth that nudity is a huge part of Conan lore. It isn't. There are a lot of hot girls in Conan stories but it's not like they run around topless on the streets.

You would have seen same amount of nudity in big cities of Hyboria as you would see today in Las Vegas. Go to a strip joint and you will see boobies, other places no boobies.

Blood and violence however is a really big part of Conan lore.

Now I know you haven't read any of the Conan stories. I even quoted stories to you in another post that had women and nudity. It has PLENTY to do with the Conan lore. Frost Giants Daughter, her nudity is his drive for chasing after her. Then there is Belit. Wow read some of the stories.

You and Solareus need to go read some of the Conan stories. Then maybe you'll understand that AoC was designed around that and it wasn't secretly designed to lure kids in with boobs and violence, get real.

Originally posted by badboybill

Originally posted by Sevenwind

Originally posted by badboybill

Originally posted by Sevenwind

Originally posted by solareus

So from eveeryones input , it seems to boil down, that this is not an adult mmorpg ?

 It's a mmorpg that was designed around Robert E. Howard's stories of Conan. So if you are 13 and enjoy the stories of Conan or you are 99 yrs old and also enjoy the stories you will know that blood and nudity are a part of the lore. It wasn't designed to attract kids who like nudity and blood.

 

It's a popular myth that nudity is a huge part of Conan lore. It isn't. There are a lot of hot girls in Conan stories but it's not like they run around topless on the streets.

You would have seen same amount of nudity in big cities of Hyboria as you would see today in Las Vegas. Go to a strip joint and you will see boobies, other places no boobies.

Blood and violence however is a really big part of Conan lore.

 

Now I know you haven't read any of the Conan stories. I even quoted stories to you in another post that had women and nudity. It has PLENTY to do with the Conan lore. Frost Giants Daughter, her nudity is his drive for chasing after her. Then there is Belit. Wow read some of the stories.

You and Solareus need to go read some of the Conan stories. Then maybe you'll understand that AoC was designed around that and it wasn't secretly designed to lure kids in with boobs and violence, get real.

 

 

Lol, Frost Giant's Daughter? That is your proof that full frontal nudity was big part Robert E. Howard's Hyboria?

Did you know that this particular story is only a couple of pages long and I believe it was the first story in which a character "Conan" appeared. Also did you know that this story was not even published as a Conan story during the lifetime of REH? What happened was that after being rejected, REH rewrote this story with a different main character, not Conan.

So Frost Giant's Daughter is a very bad example of what Conan is all about. I would call it an alpha version of Conan.

It was in the later stories that the character of Conan and world of Hyboria were truly given birth.

And even if there was nudity in Frost Giant's Daughter, that does not mean Conan is all about nudity. That's like reading about a singe carrot in one of the books and saying Conan is all about blood and carrots.

Maybe it's YOU who should go read those stories again?

Where do you get this full frontal nudity bit? Nah I've read the stories, I think I proved you and Solareus wrong in my opinion. I'm done with this post. I don't think either of you have read any of the stories, and that's a shame.

Originally posted by Sevenwind

Originally posted by badboybill

Originally posted by Sevenwind

Originally posted by badboybill

Originally posted by Sevenwind

Originally posted by solareus

So from eveeryones input , it seems to boil down, that this is not an adult mmorpg ?

 It's a mmorpg that was designed around Robert E. Howard's stories of Conan. So if you are 13 and enjoy the stories of Conan or you are 99 yrs old and also enjoy the stories you will know that blood and nudity are a part of the lore. It wasn't designed to attract kids who like nudity and blood.

 

It's a popular myth that nudity is a huge part of Conan lore. It isn't. There are a lot of hot girls in Conan stories but it's not like they run around topless on the streets.

You would have seen same amount of nudity in big cities of Hyboria as you would see today in Las Vegas. Go to a strip joint and you will see boobies, other places no boobies.

Blood and violence however is a really big part of Conan lore.

 

Now I know you haven't read any of the Conan stories. I even quoted stories to you in another post that had women and nudity. It has PLENTY to do with the Conan lore. Frost Giants Daughter, her nudity is his drive for chasing after her. Then there is Belit. Wow read some of the stories.

You and Solareus need to go read some of the Conan stories. Then maybe you'll understand that AoC was designed around that and it wasn't secretly designed to lure kids in with boobs and violence, get real.

 

 

Lol, Frost Giant's Daughter? That is your proof that full frontal nudity was big part Robert E. Howard's Hyboria?

Did you know that this particular story is only a couple of pages long and I believe it was the first story in which a character "Conan" appeared. Also did you know that this story was not even published as a Conan story during the lifetime of REH? What happened was that after being rejected, REH rewrote this story with a different main character, not Conan.

So Frost Giant's Daughter is a very bad example of what Conan is all about. I would call it an alpha version of Conan.

It was in the later stories that the character of Conan and world of Hyboria were truly given birth.

And even if there was nudity in Frost Giant's Daughter, that does not mean Conan is all about nudity. That's like reading about a singe carrot in one of the books and saying Conan is all about blood and carrots.

Maybe it's YOU who should go read those stories again?

 

Where do you get this full frontal nudity bit? Nah I've read the stories, I think I proved you and Solareus wrong in my opinion. I'm done with this post. I don't think either of you have read any of the stories, and that's a shame.

If I may...EVERYONE is wrong on the nudity bit.

The REASON for the nudity is attempting to make the game look like a Frazetta painting, where the nudity comes from. When Frazetta would do his paintings, he always imagined the nudity, and painted it as such.

A great book that shows the discussion of Frazettas views of the Hyborian lore can be read here...

And their memory was a bitter tree

So, in all actuality, REH wrote the books as savage (thus AoC's brutal world), Frazetta imagined the nudity (thus, the...nudity)

Cheers

Still trying to figure out why reading the books , will help me understand why the community is simply the worst I've seen.

As the internet penetrates to the younger audiences, the MMO market will be filled with more hormone imbalanced teens to younger adolescents who need better parenting.

Originally posted by solareus

Still trying to figure out why reading the books , will help me understand why the community is simply the worst I've seen.

Worst community ever as in:

“I logged in and got my a$$ kicked by hardcore mature players since I used to play only with kiddos easy to own in my other one button click fest mmo, I started whining in global but they didn’t buy by BS and gave me hell…”

Basic looser whiner scenario.

A lot of players used to be the alpha dog with teens and pre teens on another mmo and they thought they had a natural gift of leadership lol

So yeah, the books will not help you understand an issue which doesn’t exist, but will surely help you mature up.

Originally posted by badboybill

Originally posted by openedge1

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If I may...EVERYONE is wrong on the nudity bit.

The REASON for the nudity is attempting to make the game look like a Frazetta painting, where the nudity comes from. When Frazetta would do his paintings, he always imagined the nudity, and painted it as such.

A great book that shows the discussion of Frazettas views of the Hyborian lore can be read here...

And their memory was a bitter tree

So, in all actuality, REH wrote the books as savage (thus AoC's brutal world), Frazetta imagined the nudity (thus, the...nudity)

Cheers

 

I'm not actually wrong because we have only talked about REH books, not Frazetta.

But you make a really good point. Conan stories were not full of girls running around topless, but most people seem to think so because they have seen Frazetta's excellent work.

I like boobies just as much as the next man but I would have hoped they hadn't marketed AoC with nipples. Marketing like that lures in all the worst kind of immature kids and adults.

P.s. Lol, that looks EXACTLY like my girlfriend (the naked girl I mean, not that goblin looking guy) I have to show this picture to her tonight, maybe she'll get excited ;)

Actually...you would be, if you think the game was based totally on the books, which is what you continued to give the impression of.

As to this whole "boobie" argument, it seems so lame. I would think that with so much availability of nudity, we would see a ton of naked girls running around town, or in the world...but, I do not. Thus, why use it as an attack method to blame the game for having an immature audience.

The immatures exist in all MMO's now, thanks to it's proliferation of the market...that and WoW, which has hooked these young players into wanting more of the MMO genre, which almost acts like a drug. Plus, the more popular a title, the more chance it has to attract a larger player base...thus why games like EQ2 for example has an older audience, as it just does not attract that many players of a wider age spectrum.

Myself, I like the access to the nudity for RP measures..(and my wife agrees...)

Originally posted by smisher

Originally posted by solareus

Still trying to figure out why reading the books , will help me understand why the community is simply the worst I've seen.

Worst community ever as in:

“I logged in and got my a$$ kicked by hardcore mature players since I used to play only with kiddos easy to own in my other one button click fest mmo, I started whining in global but they didn’t buy by BS and gave me hell…”

 

Basic looser whiner scenario.

 

A lot of players used to be the alpha dog with teens and pre teens on another mmo and they thought they had a natural gift of leadership lol

So yeah, the books will not help you understand an issue which doesn’t exist, but will surely help you mature up.

 

THe few times I've chatted in global, is to help other players with questions,  then  after a while I turn off the channel, and adventure.  Being a player of Shadowbane for 3 years, I've kind of grown to handle pvp in a more mature fashion then what I've seen on the AoC servers. It has nothing to do with "ALpha Dog"  mentality, it has to do with the vulgar teeny bopper dialogue that floods the global with nonesense , calling people racial names is something I simple don't tolerate, and I'm surprised even in this lore , Funcom tolerates.

Originally posted by badboybill

Originally posted by openedge1

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Actually...you would be, if you think the game was based totally on the books, which is what you continued to give the impression of.

As to this whole "boobie" argument, it seems so lame. I would think that with so much availability of nudity, we would see a ton of naked girls running around town, or in the world...but, I do not. Thus, why use it as an attack method to blame the game for having an immature audience.

The immatures exist in all MMO's now, thanks to it's proliferation of the market...that and WoW, which has hooked these young players into wanting more of the MMO genre, which almost acts like a drug. Plus, the more popular a title, the more chance it has to attract a larger player base...thus why games like EQ2 for example has an older audience, as it just does not attract that many players of a wider age spectrum.

Myself, I like the access to the nudity for RP measures..(and my wife agrees...)

 

Of course there are immature people in all MMOs. But my experience is that there are a lot more immature players in AoC than in your average MMO. I've played kiddie MMOs where the average age was about 12, but guess what.. the community wasn't really that immature. Sure they are kids, but even kids can be mature.

And in my experience I do not see a difference in AoC compared to WoW, or WAR, or any MMO (except maybe EQ2). I could never tell in LOTRO, as no PvP exists, and I always had to block more gold spam in global than anything else.

Also, we must deal with the fact that a larger population in a game will always equal more people causing trouble anyways...and there is no doubt, in the US Tyranny is the busiest server and is also the cesspit of servers...but, I digress.

This is where the issue lies. You see one thing (and are not playing the game), I see another (and I currently play the game)..

Wonder which is more precise?

Originally posted by solareus

Originally posted by smisher

Originally posted by solareus

Still trying to figure out why reading the books , will help me understand why the community is simply the worst I've seen.

Worst community ever as in:

“I logged in and got my a$$ kicked by hardcore mature players since I used to play only with kiddos easy to own in my other one button click fest mmo, I started whining in global but they didn’t buy by BS and gave me hell…”

 

Basic looser whiner scenario.

 

A lot of players used to be the alpha dog with teens and pre teens on another mmo and they thought they had a natural gift of leadership lol

So yeah, the books will not help you understand an issue which doesn’t exist, but will surely help you mature up.

 

THe few times I've chatted in global, is to help other players with questions,  then  after a while I turn off the channel, and adventure.  Being a player of Shadowbane for 3 years, I've kind of grown to handle pvp in a more mature fashion then what I've seen on the AoC servers. It has nothing to do with "ALpha Dog"  mentality, it has to do with the vulgar teeny bopper dialogue that floods the global with nonesense , calling people racial names is something I simple don't tolerate, and I'm surprised even in this lore , Funcom tolerates.

naaah, the only ones aho are called names and cursed are those who gank lowerlvls and / or spamming global with their whining cause they got owned on PvP.

you must have done something to get called names on global. lol

Originally posted by smisher

Originally posted by solareus

Originally posted by smisher

Originally posted by solareus

Still trying to figure out why reading the books , will help me understand why the community is simply the worst I've seen.

Worst community ever as in:

“I logged in and got my a$$ kicked by hardcore mature players since I used to play only with kiddos easy to own in my other one button click fest mmo, I started whining in global but they didn’t buy by BS and gave me hell…”

 

Basic looser whiner scenario.

 

A lot of players used to be the alpha dog with teens and pre teens on another mmo and they thought they had a natural gift of leadership lol

So yeah, the books will not help you understand an issue which doesn’t exist, but will surely help you mature up.

 

THe few times I've chatted in global, is to help other players with questions,  then  after a while I turn off the channel, and adventure.  Being a player of Shadowbane for 3 years, I've kind of grown to handle pvp in a more mature fashion then what I've seen on the AoC servers. It has nothing to do with "ALpha Dog"  mentality, it has to do with the vulgar teeny bopper dialogue that floods the global with nonesense , calling people racial names is something I simple don't tolerate, and I'm surprised even in this lore , Funcom tolerates.

naaah, the only ones aho are called names and cursed are those who gank lowerlvls and / or spamming global with their whining cause they got owned on PvP.

you must have done something to get called names on global. lol

Think you automatically assumed, they I am getting harrassed in the global ?  I've not had anything directed to me, be sided "no one cares" when I mention the mitigations and broken stats , to see if anyone else notices anything like that. Unlike a lot of people in pvp ,I play with as honorable as possible, but if someone would break that honor ( attack me while im fighting a mob) then they and there entire guild is KoS. That is just a trradition I picked up in Shadowbane.

Also like to add that I've never gloated , or shouted in multi colors in global when I win a pvp battle, I usually send the person I just pvped a tell saying "Great Battle" and I usually get a tell back stating the same. What you seem to miss understand is the when other people are enoying themselves in game and expressing that joy in chat, through role playing or other means, thie AoC community is quick to chop down his joy, or someone a racist name.

I have over 12 years of player vs player experience from fps's to mmo's and there really isn't anything I've not heard or read in a chat box that surprised me like some of the complete nonesense that spills into AoC chat.

Personally in this game, don't find the bare breasts as appealing or sexual as some would make them to be, but I do find some of the clothed characters and npcs to be more along the lines of what R.E..H is trying to protray because of the sexual dominace of men with in his stories. Once you remove the clothing it just feel like the dominece is over.

Originally posted by solareus

The community.  It is by far the worst .  LoTRO community is so much more mature and able to have conversations,  unlike AoC where it just feels like a bunch of children who just fiscovered the internet.

If Funcom could ruine the game enough to clean out the community, then I could see the game having a chance for a longer run, as  is, even thought the content is entertaining, the community just drives the game into the dirt, over and over gain., There really isn't anything that can be done to save this game .

It is definitley a niche "pwnsauce pewpew" game.

Did the OP hangout on a PVP server or something?

Not once did i see anything wrong with the community,i found it friendly and helpful,or just VERY quiet at other times,i was on a PVE server.As far as i am concerned,PVP is what ruins communities,it is drama 101.This is not to say i have not seen terrible chat on PVE servers,i just never witnessed it in AOC.

I actually hate when people start having useless conversations in the game,play the dam game and quit chatting nonsense.All i want to see in chat,is people looking to form a group or game related questions,but none of that childish,what class should i play,or what stats should  i put into my rogue,kind of dumb questions.

For myself ,i found AOC has a few weak spots,but community is one thing that never crossed my mind.When i think oif pew pew games ,i think of TR,EVE or some F2p games that all use the same female HIYAH sound behind every strike or every hit.I think AOC did the tech part pretty good,there was no noticeable pew pew or outright cheap tech as in most other games.The only time i noticed the tech failing was climbing ladders.

Originally posted by solareus

Originally posted by smisher

Originally posted by solareus

Originally posted by smisher

Originally posted by solareus

Still trying to figure out why reading the books , will help me understand why the community is simply the worst I've seen.

Worst community ever as in:

“I logged in and got my a$$ kicked by hardcore mature players since I used to play only with kiddos easy to own in my other one button click fest mmo, I started whining in global but they didn’t buy by BS and gave me hell…”

 

Basic looser whiner scenario.

 

A lot of players used to be the alpha dog with teens and pre teens on another mmo and they thought they had a natural gift of leadership lol

So yeah, the books will not help you understand an issue which doesn’t exist, but will surely help you mature up.

 

THe few times I've chatted in global, is to help other players with questions,  then  after a while I turn off the channel, and adventure.  Being a player of Shadowbane for 3 years, I've kind of grown to handle pvp in a more mature fashion then what I've seen on the AoC servers. It has nothing to do with "ALpha Dog"  mentality, it has to do with the vulgar teeny bopper dialogue that floods the global with nonesense , calling people racial names is something I simple don't tolerate, and I'm surprised even in this lore , Funcom tolerates.

naaah, the only ones aho are called names and cursed are those who gank lowerlvls and / or spamming global with their whining cause they got owned on PvP.

you must have done something to get called names on global. lol

Think you automatically assumed, they I am getting harrassed in the global ?  I've not had anything directed to me, be sided "no one cares" when I mention the mitigations and broken stats , to see if anyone else notices anything like that. Unlike a lot of people in pvp ,I play with as honorable as possible, but if someone would break that honor ( attack me while im fighting a mob) then they and there entire guild is KoS. Tha is hust a trradition I picked up in Shadowbane.

Also like to add that I've never gloated , or shouted in multi colors in global when I win a pvp battle, I usually send the person I just pvped a tell saying "Great Battle" and I usually get a tell back stating the same. What you seem to miss understand is the when other people are enoying themselves in game and expressing that joy in chat, through role playing or other means, thie AoC community is quick to shop down his joy, someon a racist name.

I have over 12 years of player vs player experience from fps's to mmo's and there really isn't anything I've not heard or read in a chat box that surprised me like some of the complete nonesense that spills into AoC chat.

Personally in this game, don't find the bare breasts as appealing or sexual as some would make them to be, but I do find some of the clothed characters and npcs to be more along the lines of what R.E..H is trying to protray because of the sexual dominace of men with in his stories. Once you remove the clothing it just feel like the dominece is over.

a player who played for many maaany years knows that on a global uncensored chat channed with thousands of people, there would be at least a dozen of idiots who will say ridiculous stuff from time to time. and that there is no need to spend much too time and energy making a big bang fuss about it unless he is a troll. (no need to be a genius to get this, its basic common sense)

i played eve for obver 2 years, and  there are always some stupid idiots spamming local, yet nobody goes all over spending whole days on the internet spamming forums with his whining and how he will quit EvE because some guy called him names on a chat channel. 

as for RP servers, thats another story, surely Funcom have to make rules and enforce them, but again, making a whole drama queen about it is overkill...

and stop switching subject, it aint gonna work ;)

the comunity sucks no mater what mmo it is, funcom allowed you the handy right click someones name in global and ignore them option. It's useful. Me I know people hate me on Ironspine cause I am a sarcastic ass some days. Depends on my mood.

As to nudity in conan, yes lots and lots of stories have topless women, as for full frontal in frost giants daughter, she is nude to lure men to their death. She is also in the game doing the same thing in yimirs pass.  If you wana get in a when were people naked in Conan fight I will win it, as to badboybill and his posts about Conan stories none of howards Conan's were in book form in his life time. The were all published in Weird Tales magizne in short story form. After his suicide in the 30's they were complied and republished in book form.

None of the stories were in any order, but the frost giants daughter was a Conan tale. As for other stories with nudity in them I can probably find one instance of nudity in some form in every conan tale that had a woman in it, save for the black stranger cause the women are to young. Though it is implied when they are out swiming.

The jewels of Gwahlur, pretty close to being topless. Red nails is kinda iffy on that depends how you want to let your imagination play on the slave girls. The slithering shadow, the stygian woman pretty much thrusts her breasts at Conan, so no. Not buying your it's not part of Conan.

Sex, swords, and sorcery thats what Howard wrote about in Conan. Now Soloman Kane and Kull on the other hand barely a hint in it ever. Those two were monks. You have to remember he wrote in the twentys a lot of it is tongue in cheek implied to get around the censors of his day.

So spoke Kova, former lore master of death and debauchery.

I first read frost giants daughter when I was six years old, my father had every paper back conan ever printed in the us when I was a boy. I read them all, I still own them all, along with every other collected anthology of Howards works. The Robery Jordan Conan novels, and the De camp and Carter ones. Along with every one of the Conan rpg source books from Mongoose publishing, as well as the Ultimate Guide to Conan. If it has to do with Conan and is in print I have it, I even watched the cartoon and live action shows.

Originally posted by smisher

global uncensored chat channed with thousands of people,

That would be great if there WAS 1000's of people on the chat channel, then the luxury of having a few idiots wouldn't as bad, but the game is barely seeing 100 to 500 people logged in . The problem is when anew player logs in for the first time, that is who they meet, 100 to 500 people online, with 1/2 of those people having no motativation in welcome a new player.

Yes, hundreds of peeps talkin crap in general chat can be viewed as offensive... or as a sign of this game being plagued by the same phenomene as most mmo's; aka "Barrens chat"

Myself, I am able to see the entertainmet it provides. Most of the time, the subjects discussed will make me lol:) If not you can always ignore single players, or general chat in general...

So you don't like the game....move on already. I swear people get on these forums and make some form of crusade or jihad against a game they dont like. Some of you guys are starting to sound whiny like a lot of the swg pre-nge vets. You gotto know that just becuase you are ranting on a game it isn't going to convince someone that they should stop having fun with it.  All the reasons why people left or dont like this game have already been said by others before you. Just like there are many who have said they like the game. 

Originally posted by solareus

Can you name specific passages in books where the sorcerer of this game is used in the text book.,,,

Also wondering why the topic went off track and what does any of R.E. Howard's books have to do with the community ? There are millions of adult fantsay readers in the world that don't act like they are 13 and discovering breasts for the time, ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoth-Amon

Thoth-Amon, the sorcerer who brands your character with the Mark of Acheron is not a funcom creation. He was created by Howard.

Satisified that there is sorcery in the Conan Lore and that you should read the damned books before mouthing off?

Awesome, so now we have a broad sense that sorcerery was in the game...  

I actually find AoC quite enjoyable to play, I'm almost level 80 , and I've slowly weeded out the chat so I can atleast start looking for pubs, but I still stand firm with some kind of policing of the channels so that they don't cross over into hate oeriented bashing using racist terms .