Originally posted by comerb

I only kill players that I benefit from killing.  Whether because I gain points from them or because they are farming an area that I happen to need something from.

I won't go out of my way to kill a lowbie, nor will I kill one I happen to be passing by out of spite.  

As an aside, I will assist a player of my faction who is being ganked, regardless of level.  I will not however, assist a player of my faction who ganked someone and is now on the losing side of things.

And you decide all this within a few seconds using an abacus or calculator? Do you message the enemy and ask them if the person they are attacking just ganked one of their lowbies?

Originally posted by LilPhucker

Originally posted by comerb

I only kill players that I benefit from killing.  Whether because I gain points from them or because they are farming an area that I happen to need something from.

I won't go out of my way to kill a lowbie, nor will I kill one I happen to be passing by out of spite.  

As an aside, I will assist a player of my faction who is being ganked, regardless of level.  I will not however, assist a player of my faction who ganked someone and is now on the losing side of things.

 

And you decide all this within a few seconds using an abacus or calculator? Do you message the enemy and ask them if the person they are attacking just ganked one of their lowbies?

I use my eyeballs and a dash of common sense.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Well, the thing is that I would agree with you but unless the dev's build that in, you are going to have a hard time convincing others.

As a player, I wouldn't waste time trying to convince others - the ones that get it don't need to hear it and the ones that don't get it aren't going to listen anyway. :)  I don't believe there's ever been success at creating a coded solution to the issue (how do you code to identify intent?) , but I would surely like to see the devs or at least the CM team foster some interest in it.

See I feel this is wrong, ganking is in my opinion a show of cowardice and just how small minded and pethetic you are. I my day pvp was capped to within in certain levels of each other so you had to fight it out like a man. Basic fact is most of you "pvp" masters of today are little better than trash. A man of honor only fights an enemy that is worthy of him, to fight someone who is beneath him is to lower himself to a level that is unbefitting a warrior. Or as Neitzche put it, you may only have an enemy you hate, not one you despise, for you must be proud of your enemy. Thusly is his successes your own.

Meaning if your not fighting someone worthy of your blood and sweat, then your not worthy to breath.

Originally posted by Ragnaven

See I feel this is wrong, ganking is in my opinion a show of cowardice and just how small minded and pethetic you are. I my day pvp was capped to within in certain levels of each other so you had to fight it out like a man. Basic fact is most of you "pvp" masters of today are little better than trash. A man of honor only fights an enemy that is worthy of him, to fight someone who is beneath him is to lower himself to a level that is unbefitting a warrior. Or as Neitzche put it, you may only have an enemy you hate, not one you despise, for you must be proud of your enemy. Thusly is his successes your own.

Meaning if your not fighting someone worthy of your blood and sweat, then your not worthy to breath.

It's race vs race.

It's all about "kill the other race".  There is no AP in honor!!!

Kill them all and let the lords sort them out.

Originally posted by comerb

Originally posted by LilPhucker

Originally posted by comerb

I only kill players that I benefit from killing.  Whether because I gain points from them or because they are farming an area that I happen to need something from.

I won't go out of my way to kill a lowbie, nor will I kill one I happen to be passing by out of spite.  

As an aside, I will assist a player of my faction who is being ganked, regardless of level.  I will not however, assist a player of my faction who ganked someone and is now on the losing side of things.

 

And you decide all this within a few seconds using an abacus or calculator? Do you message the enemy and ask them if the person they are attacking just ganked one of their lowbies?

 

I use my eyeballs and a dash of common sense.

My common sense tells me you are a... person who is obcessed with the word I

Originally posted by Ragnaven

See I feel this is wrong, ganking is in my opinion a show of cowardice and just how small minded and pethetic you are.

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Meaning if your not fighting someone worthy of your blood and sweat, then your not worthy to breath.

You might find that you may be a hindrance to your team in various PvP MMOs then. NOT because you won't mindlessly gank newbies, as a rewardless engagement affects neither side in any way other than in the form of annoyance and agitation for the player of the low level character you killed, but because you would allow the enemy an easy avenue of safe recon.

Your sweeping generalization about 'ganking' either means you are not familiar with games - yes GAME, not just MMO, but ANY GAME - of strategy and territory control.  There's a big difference between one-hitting a level 18 at Tarren Mill with your level 60 and that same scenario in a game where there is any level of meaningful combat or tactical warfare. In PotBS, you'd probably let ammo and supplies through to the enemy. In EVE, you'd probably let the enemy zip by in a frigate to scope out your fleets and report back on your alliance's strength and position. In Axis & Allies or RISK, you'd probably leave those poorly guarded countries alone instead of crushing them with your much larger force.

 "In your day" the PvP may have been about a slap in the face with a glove and scheduling a date for an honorable duel just between you and your nemesis or equivalent teams thereof. That option is still open to you - players can type /duel for a one-on-one honorable (honor? on the intarwebz?) match.

well...killing lowbies is just a d*** move...especially if you don't get any benifit from it.  Unless they are trying to gank a lowbie on your side...then I'd one shot em in an instant.

The Asmodian beasts chose annihilation the fateful day when they broke from the path of hope to follow the so-called "Shedim Lords" (HERETICS!) straight into the darkness.

Some say "why not have pity on those weaker than you?" I respond, why should I pity those who fail to value what is righteous?  Why spare those who have turned from the light and all that is illuminated by Aion's grace?  They will not save themselves, and some say we should show mercy/honor/good sport?

When my legion encounters an Asmod, we will approach as you would move on a dangerous rabid beast who seeks to do harm to the innocent and defenseless: Careful observation and likely extermination. ;^_^

I will not stand by while my foe grows stronger... I will not pass up the chance to eliminate weaker opponents in the name of "honor."  Leaving those fledgling Asmodian crows alone allows them to progress more quickly... and, eventually, to reach a point where they will threaten my brothers and sisters.

And, as others points out, where there is one Asmodian, you are bound to find more.  More troubling, they have ways of communicating back to their nests, or so I am told.  Yet, unlike avians, they resemble disgusting insects, emerging from the shadows.  If you spot one, they must be killed... and be prepared for reinforcements.  Packs of voracious Zaif's on the hunt, they roam in a killing frenzy, murdering the innocent and weak!

Any Asmod deserves to be crushed!!  They must pay for their blasphemy against Aion and Lady Ariel!

* (Um, I don't actually feel this way at all... I just relish playing a game that *allows* you to think this way, even though when it comes down to it, I'm a carebear PvE'er and roll cleric for a reason: I like to keep people alive, not kill) --- ;^^

Originally posted by LilPhucker

Originally posted by comerb

Originally posted by LilPhucker

Originally posted by comerb

I only kill players that I benefit from killing.  Whether because I gain points from them or because they are farming an area that I happen to need something from.

I won't go out of my way to kill a lowbie, nor will I kill one I happen to be passing by out of spite.  

As an aside, I will assist a player of my faction who is being ganked, regardless of level.  I will not however, assist a player of my faction who ganked someone and is now on the losing side of things.

 

And you decide all this within a few seconds using an abacus or calculator? Do you message the enemy and ask them if the person they are attacking just ganked one of their lowbies?

 

I use my eyeballs and a dash of common sense.

 

My common sense tells me you are a... person who is obcessed with the word I

My common sense tells me you're a dog digging for a bone.

well put...I like how you incorperate the lore into your reason for mercilisly slaughtering the asmodians =)

I actually like some self righteous people and some merciless killer in the game at the same time.

Simply having only one type or the other dominate does not cut it, there need to be conflict if there are to be interesting PvP.

It does not really apply to Aion since the RvR setting does not require players to create their own conflict based on different ideals, but players trying to conform each other is just uninteresting in any game setting.

Aion is RvR.  It is a war.  If you play anything but KOS you are only hurting your own faction.

I know I'd be pretty pissed if I was getting killed by the opposing faction and I see one of my own come near, stop, and then just run off.

"Oh sorry, the guy you were fighting is too low," is not an excuse.

Originally posted by darkesthope

well put...I like how you incorperate the lore into your reason for mercilisly slaughtering the asmodians =)

What is this "lore" you mention?  I speak only the truth!  (heh... clearly, I'm dying of Aion withdrawals... going to cplay C-Aion to hold me over... until, yes... the beta this weekend).

We had an informal legion meeting RE: crafting tonight.  It's all over now.  So much worse than crack. ^_^

Originally posted by Dameonk

Aion is RvR.  It is a war.  If you play anything but KOS you are only hurting your own faction.

I know I'd be pretty pissed if I was getting killed by the opposing faction and I see one of my own come near, stop, and then just run off.

"Oh sorry, the guy you were fighting is too low," is not an excuse.

 

Luckily its a game.

Honestly though I'll probably take a more hard-line approach to helping faction members in US Aion simply because you actually suffer loss when you die in PvP in Aion.  As it stands now I just don't care in C-Aion.

But most games, where there is no loss.... well yeah I got no problem watching someone from the same faction die as long as it was a fair fight.  Hell, I'll even stop and watch and then congratulate the victor on a fight well fought before I head off on my way.

Why?  Because nothing is more irritating to me, as a PvPer, than being denied a hard fought victory in a fair fight than some high level swooping in and taking a good, fun, challenging fight and turning it into a joke.  Some people get pissy... but others get pissy when you interfere regardless, so whatever.

That's just me though.

Strange thing, but I usually follow a different PVP etiquette with each character I roll.

Usually, if I'm playing a stealth class, I will not ever attack a lower level (even 1 level lower) unless attacked. Hey, my ganker-toons are honourable! :P

Whereas most of my healers turn out to be pretty blood-crazed, in contrast. Well, I guess I just don't like the idea of a benevolent healer :) So if  roll a cleric here, I'll probably attack anyone regardless of level and numbers. Expect many lowbie kills as well as suicide attacks from this one.

And on most toons, it's gonna be a spur-of-the-moment thing. :)

But to me, the real etiquette is not indulging in *griefing*. I won't camp an area to kill the same toon over and over or to sabotage the same player's quest over and over and over.... I won't put a ganking squad together to go after single players.... And no, I don't care if these make sense in the gameworld or not.

Originally posted by solarine

Strange thing, but I usually follow a different PVP etiquette with each character I roll.

Usually, if I'm playing a stealth class, I will not ever attack a lower level (even 1 level lower) unless attacked. Hey, my ganker-toons are honourable! :P

Whereas most of my healers turn out to be pretty blood-crazed, in contrast. Well, I guess I just don't like the idea of a benevolent healer :) So if  roll a cleric here, I'll probably attack anyone regardless of level and numbers. Expect many lowbie kills as well as suicide attacks from this one.

And on most toons, it's gonna be a spur-of-the-moment thing. :)

 

But to me, the real etiquette is not indulging in *griefing*. I won't camp an area to kill the same toon over and over or to sabotage the same player's quest over and over and over.... I won't put a ganking squad together to go after single players.... And no, I don't care if these make sense in the gameworld or not.

 

Heh,  I find myself doing the same sort of stuff.  For instance my warrior type toons almost never engage when another player is fighting mobs.  They'll wait til the fights over and the bad guy has healed himself up before engaging... alot of time's they even /emote to show the person they intend to engage.

My assassin's on the other hand will use whatever advantage they can possibly get... because, they're ya know... assassins. 

I honestly have no idea why I do this though.  Some leftover part of me when role-playing in game's was actually expected.

 BAH! my opinion in all this should i not or should i is, if game says those are your enemy then you need to kill your enemy,

its stupid to made a game focused on massively pvp and then for somereason when some group is doing some quest you need to stand and honor them, ifits a pure war situation in real life , your enemy is in your land doing something they not supposed to do you just wave your hand and say i honor you carry on.

for all this group killing quest nonesense you should have closed maps to do that where enemy players cannot enter if not

hey, everyhting is depend what you feel to do then. developers didnt wanna stop you from killing the group people doing group quest. 

and for one thing i wanna say to aion, it should have had closed maps for each side to train in peace and abyss as a warzone only wich opens like at friday to sunday or something.

developers srew up just a little things in game have to say like in lord of the rings online, if they had allow players to play orcs or humans at start and the pvp would be the same as warhammer online just take the rvr zones away and focus the only map there is to monsterplay it would have been great game.

so if developers dont wanna stop you doing those things in game why you should follow some stupid etiquette then?

in not a ganker i most definetly dont like when killed while doing quest but i do understand if players do this while its possible.

cheers

Originally posted by Dameonk

Aion is RvR.  It is a war.  If you play anything but KOS you are only hurting your own faction.

I know I'd be pretty pissed if I was getting killed by the opposing faction and I see one of my own come near, stop, and then just run off.

"Oh sorry, the guy you were fighting is too low," is not an excuse.

 

The chances that someone actually care about the level of the guy you were fighting is probably zero.

The excuse is usually "Sorry, I didn't know if those guys was higher than me or not, but they "looked" strong"

Plus if someone is actually righteous player type, they would help you either way, at least the ones that actually care. If someone does not care, then they probably are not even the righteous type to begin with.

Well your point is duely noted, but the example was a bit strange.

Originally posted by solarine

Strange thing, but I usually follow a different PVP etiquette with each character I roll.

Usually, if I'm playing a stealth class, I will not ever attack a lower level (even 1 level lower) unless attacked. Hey, my ganker-toons are honourable! :P

Whereas most of my healers turn out to be pretty blood-crazed, in contrast. Well, I guess I just don't like the idea of a benevolent healer :) So if  roll a cleric here, I'll probably attack anyone regardless of level and numbers. Expect many lowbie kills as well as suicide attacks from this one.

And on most toons, it's gonna be a spur-of-the-moment thing. :)

 

But to me, the real etiquette is not indulging in *griefing*. I won't camp an area to kill the same toon over and over or to sabotage the same player's quest over and over and over.... I won't put a ganking squad together to go after single players.... And no, I don't care if these make sense in the gameworld or not.

 

Your choice to make the clerics more blood-thirsty makes perfect sense. I can imagine some zealous religious maniac, believing the other faction = demons opposed to Aion that must be vanquished. Plus, I can see those clerics acting quite ruthlessly toward the other faction.  Some of the most violent and atrocious wars in human history were fought (partially, if not wholly) over religious differences.

I like your thinking with Assassins too. That's more like a hunter's code where the snare is as important as the actual kill.... there's a nobility to it with hand to hand fighting as well, where the religious fanatic just smites and maybe whacks you with a mace at the end, thinking "kill 'em all and let Aion sort 'em out afterwards!"